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Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:02:10 No.16065865 View View Reply Original Report

>implying WW1 wasn't a shit generation
>implying stall is good or fun
>implying WW2 didn't introduce a shit ton to the game and shake it up drastically

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:03:32 No.16065909 Report

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WW2 was all hyper offense and no strategy. Plus every match between US and Japan was just suicide leads and OHKOs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:04:14 No.16065928 Report

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>US
>OP garbage

pick both

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:04:36 No.16065939 Report

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>implying Vietnam wasn't just suicide leads
>implying Korea wasn't hyper-offence

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:06:13 No.16065982 Report

Quoted By: >>16066107

>Germany
>Good
Lol, stealth hebes render him useless

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:10:02 No.16066107 Report

Quoted By: >>16066229

>>16065982
>metagame defining two generations in a row
>bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:11:19 No.16066147 Report

Quoted By: >>16066216 >>16067477

>>16065865
>>implying WW2 didn't introduce a shit ton to the game and shake it up drastically

What it is did is over-centralize it. That's like the opposite of shaking things up.

People can bitch about Smogon all they want but there's no point in playing in a meta where nukes aren't banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:12:22 No.16066184 Report

Quoted By: >>16066265

>Implying Manhattan move tutors weren't op
Besides US Civil War introduced just as much as shit as WWI and II

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:13:19 No.16066213 Report

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>Not using chemical weapons
>inb4 muh chemical weapons convention

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:13:27 No.16066216 Report

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>>16066147
>this is you

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:13:51 No.16066229 Report

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>>16066107
Sneaky Jews man, still
Atleast germany can breed with america using the Heckler and Koch method, and give him some good moves

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:14:31 No.16066265 Report

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>>16066184
>Besides US Civil War introduced just as much as shit as WWI and II

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:17:31 No.16066365 Report

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I just really hated the introduction of submachine types to WW2. Every fucking team always had at least one of these fuckers and it just got really god damn old really fast.

Not to mention:
>German type getting a buff and then a nerf?!
>Russian type getting MASSIVE boosts with Global Superpower ability?!

What the fuck was HistoryFreak thinking on this one?!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:18:27 No.16066395 Report

Quoted By: >>16066435 >>16066572 >>16066621 >>16066706 >>16066763

Look, can we at least agree to this?
>Revolutionary War invents the genre, so any of its flaws get a pass
>Civil War basically allows you to overcome good strategy with pure numbers, so it's a lot less interesting
>WWI is basically just defined by "my trenches are better than your trenches"
>WWII, whatever its faults, at least ended the battleship metagame in naval battles and made sky battles a lot more interesting
>Vietnam was the worst gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:19:42 No.16066435 Report

Quoted By: >>16066515

>>16066395
>implying Afghanistan wasn't worst gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:20:26 No.16066461 Report

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I for one really enjoyed the new, updated strategies from WW2, I mean WW1 was ALWAYS just stall battle, stall battles, stall battles! I thought I was going to shoot myself if I had to see another Cliffs of Galipoli on someone's WiFi team.
Blitzkrieg and the introduction of both Submachine and Paratrooper types was a massive and excellent change to the WW metagame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:20:27 No.16066462 Report

Quoted By: >>16066513

How come US didn't get sent to ubers? That was some BS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:21:35 No.16066513 Report

Quoted By: >>16066555

>>16066462
They got a nerf, it's fine. Hell, they might end up in UU next Gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:21:35 No.16066515 Report

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>>16066435
It was the lowest moment. They just didn't care at that point.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:22:38 No.16066555 Report

Quoted By: >>16066658

>>16066513
>they might end up in UU next Gen.

With those stats?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:23:08 No.16066572 Report

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>>16066395

>Forgetting Korea

How fucking dare you.
Korea did more for Air Metagame than WW2 ever did. WW2 just got the Air Metagame really started, as it arrived really late in WW1 (honestly is just kind of seemed tacked on with no real idea what the devs wanted to do with it yet).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:24:29 No.16066612 Report

Quoted By: >>16066678

Fucking Nuke type is gay as shit.
Completely OP and ruined the metagame

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:24:43 No.16066621 Report

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>>16066395
>Vietnam was the worst gen
You're just mad that people don't play by the Genevafag rules.
git gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:25:49 No.16066658 Report

Quoted By: >>16066709 >>16066796 >>16067267

>>16066555
They have good stats but their records are pretty shit. Canada has won more battles than they have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:26:29 No.16066678 Report

Quoted By: >>16066769 >>16067134

>>16066612
Nukes were banned to ubers though. You don't have to worry about them anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:27:14 No.16066701 Report

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>>16065865
Why won't they give Aus a mega? I tried to use him once in UU, opposition set up gallipoli for 7 turns by holding the turkey rock, we got fucked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:27:16 No.16066706 Report

Quoted By: >>16066782 >>16066809

>>16066395
>Revolutionary War invents the genre, so any of its flaws get a pass

Fucking casuals, you all don't even know what it was like during the Hundred Year war. Nowadays it's all streamlined so that any fucker with enriched uranium can play.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:27:28 No.16066709 Report

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>>16066658
>Canada has won more battles than they have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:29:24 No.16066763 Report

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>>16066395
>Revolutionary War invents the genre

Being this much of a babby is hilarious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:29:38 No.16066769 Report

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>>16066678
Yeah but still. A lot of Poison types can learn Nuke type moves, it's unfair. The only fucking type that resists Nuke is Bug

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:29:50 No.16066782 Report

Quoted By: >>16067201

>>16066706

>Implying the Hundred Years War isn't just a massive, fruitless waste.

Seriously, it's just so fucking long and the metagame is just utter shit for it.
>Mega Longbowmen everywhere
>Joan Of Archeops everywhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:30:26 No.16066796 Report

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>>16066658
Canada doesn't set up as well as US, they're more reliable but can't pull off any of the big plays that US can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:30:53 No.16066809 Report

Quoted By: >>16066915

>>16066706
>Implying every meta game before Rev. wasn't centralized as shit
Ottoman Empire was OP as fuck before all of this industrialization crap was introduced
Byzantium was about as bad before Muslims

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:32:00 No.16066847 Report

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>Implying the Crusades wasn't the best gen
Fools.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:33:29 No.16066898 Report

Quoted By: >>16066954

Looking at this thread
>Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:33:47 No.16066905 Report

Quoted By: >>16066968

Was guerrilla warfare ever viable or simply a shit tier gimmick? I roll my eyes whenever I see it being used.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:33:57 No.16066908 Report

Quoted By: >>16066968 >>16066977

What are you guys expecting to see in the WW3 metagame?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:34:07 No.16066915 Report

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>>16066809

Oh that's the way it's always been.
Before Byzantium it was Rome and Greece and Egypt. Get over it, and make sure your team carries their counters.

Don't even get me fucking started on when British Type got that 200 year long buff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:35:27 No.16066954 Report

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>>16066898
Oh yeah well Shaka, when the walls fell to you too buddy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:35:47 No.16066968 Report

Quoted By: >>16067014

>>16066908

Nuke types. Nuke types everywhere.

>>16066905

It was really good for awhile, coming out of the industrial revolution your typical Formation Pokemon couldn't handle the unpredictable tactics of Guerillas.
Now everyone just uses Urban and CQC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:36:05 No.16066977 Report

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>>16066908
Less people stop listening to the Nuke Clause

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:36:18 No.16066991 Report

Quoted By: >>16067071 >>16067096

>Playing with Joan of Arc in Amie
muh dick

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:36:58 No.16067014 Report

Quoted By: >>16067095 >>16067108

>>16066968
Does being unpredictable make up for nonexistent defenses?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:37:37 No.16067047 Report

Quoted By: >>16067116 >>16067201

Nazi type would've been so OP if it weren't for UN rocks

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:38:02 No.16067071 Report

Quoted By: >>16067104

>>16066991
>using legendaries

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:38:37 No.16067095 Report

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>>16067014
When bringing down morale and formation was more important, yeah
Now, not so much unless what you're using is specifically made for it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:38:38 No.16067096 Report

Quoted By: >>16067201

>>16066991
I think you mean Joan of Archeops bro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:38:51 No.16067104 Report

Quoted By: >>16069884

>>16067071
I-i don't use her in battle. I only use her in Amie.

She's too weak to fire anyways, lel

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:38:52 No.16067108 Report

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>>16067014

It did at the time.
Now all modern OU combat is really just organized Guerilla Warfare rolled into Mechanized Urban Warfare.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:39:09 No.16067116 Report

Quoted By: >>16067211

>>16067047

Goes to show you that good stats mean nothing if you're unable to mesh with anyone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:39:50 No.16067134 Report

Quoted By: >>16067178

>>16066678
>implying anyone but smogUNs use those rules

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:40:18 No.16067154 Report

Quoted By: >>16067225

WW2 has a decent legendary though.

Hitler

Poison/Fire type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:41:05 No.16067178 Report

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>>16067134
Literally no simulator or official battle uses them. In fact, just getting them is a nightmare.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:41:44 No.16067201 Report

Quoted By: >>16067315 >>16067334

>>16067096

See, >>16066782

>>16067047

What really shut down Nazi type was the Failing Economy ability paired with the extreme late game buff Russians got with the advent of Record-Breaking Winter. (120BP with 100 ACC AND 30% to freeze?!)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:42:05 No.16067211 Report

Quoted By: >>16067309

>>16067116
I mean, Hitler's stats were great but his typing was atrocious. He's also a bitch to catch in the game because he keeps using last resort and self destruct

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:42:31 No.16067225 Report

Quoted By: >>16067309

>>16067154
Yeah, but Defeatist instantly throws him into the trash along with Regigigas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:43:39 No.16067267 Report

Quoted By: >>16067345

>>16066658
Canada is great for support, they don't have the funds to be as good as they once were back in WWI & WWII. It's really sucks that they god nerfed, they were a force to be reckoned with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:44:27 No.16067309 Report

Quoted By: >>16067448

>>16067211
>>16067225

Nah, he's got a great HA, Charisma, which works VERY well when given the right support.
Everyone online just always uses him with Hungary and Mussolini all the time, and I have no fucking clue why because all they do is slow down his set up to the terrifying Nasty Plot + Final Solution combo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:44:35 No.16067315 Report

Quoted By: >>16067397

>>16067201
>Record-Breaking Winter.

That never even matter. His other move Cold As Fuck was every bit as bad. This was just laughable overkill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:45:14 No.16067334 Report

Quoted By: >>16067380 >>16067397

>>16067201
What the fuck are you talking about
Russians always had RBW
Hell they were considered the only check to Napoleonic France because of it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:45:37 No.16067345 Report

Quoted By: >>16067394

>>16067267
>implying everyone didn't get nerfed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:46:14 No.16067364 Report

Quoted By: >>16067988

Guys, how do I start playing competitively? Any tips would be great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:46:43 No.16067380 Report

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>>16067334
You're thinking of CAF

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:47:08 No.16067394 Report

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>>16067345
China has been NU for the past few gens. Nice that they got a buff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:47:16 No.16067397 Report

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>>16067334

No, see >>16067315.

They always had Cold As Fuck. Not even the Swedish and the French had to deal with Record Breaking Winter.

captcha: step aboverni

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:48:57 No.16067447 Report

Quoted By: >>16067528

Fucking Russia is too OP
All they do is spam Sheer Cold and they can't even be touched. Even Napoleon and Hitler can't lay a finger on Russia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:48:58 No.16067448 Report

Quoted By: >>16067536

>>16067309
Too bad Goebbels got put into Ubers instantly. He's far superior than Hitler in every way.

It was his signature move that really did him in, though. I mean, Propaganda sharply raised your Attack and Defense, and then harshly lowers the opponent's Attack and Defense. Seriously, that shit is OP as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:49:42 No.16067477 Report

Quoted By: >>16067562

>>16066147
I think you're talking Cold War version. Nukes take too much setup in II, and really, only Yanks can pull it off effectively.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:51:28 No.16067528 Report

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>>16067447
>auto hail
>no miss blizzards

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:51:37 No.16067536 Report

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>>16067448

The problem with Propaganda is EVERYONE had that shit! Even Mussolini's useless ass could learn that shit.
It got to the point where you knew on the select pokemon screen when you were about to get into a propaganda war.
Honestly, Roosevelt as a Propaganda lead was the best due to his excellent bulk and typing, and when baton passed to Truman was really just overpowered as shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:52:37 No.16067562 Report

Quoted By: >>16067623

>>16067477
So, US - the metagame - the expierence - the reality - dream

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:54:40 No.16067623 Report

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>>16067562
Well, honestly, US is OP no matter what strat it goes with.
>Those stats.
>That movepool.
Normal typing was the only thing keeping it from ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 04:58:26 No.16067746 Report

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Does Yankee-Type or Canuck-Type better cover most of the OU list of Euro-Types?

I would go some kind of Asia-Type, but there's too many to choose from.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 05:06:35 No.16067964 Report

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you guys ever play the desert storm meta, most broken shit ive ever seen, fucking T-72 and mig-21 NU garbage in the same tier as M1A1s and F-15 those things are OU: THE TEAM if ive seen them

F-15C @ Experienced Pilot
Ability: Air Radar
nature: Hasty
Evs: 252 spe / 252 satk / 4 atk
- AIM-9
- Electronic countermeasures
- AIM-120
- M60 Vulcan

name a single iraqi pokemon that switches into that? fucking ban this shit smogon.

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Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 05:07:16 No.16067988 Report

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>>16067364
Just try to get an alliance that works well together, and try to have the right checks against your opponents. Remember you can always crack open a history book for movesets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 05:34:04 No.16068876 Report

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guys what about poland is it good know? i mean i know WW2 shafted it hard but i heard its getting a mega evo that changes it typing to jew/american

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 06:08:14 No.16069884 Report

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>>16067104
>bullying your waifu like this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 06:11:53 No.16069964 Report

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Notice all the America users only brag about being in uber tier when they were helped all the time. They can't do shit by themselves and only ever won one war by themselves - the civil war.

They are definitely uber in double/triple though

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 06:19:25 No.16070146 Report

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>that one kid that uses banned moves in standard play

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