"But Instacheck isn't cheating. It's just a device that we use to help us get shinies easier."
Anonymous
>>16218341 You are a faggot
Sporbo 5386-8039-3719 {1557}
Anonymous
I think you are just autistic
Anonymous
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>>16218341 yes OP
you are not special anymore
it hurts, right?
Anonymous
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le epic new debate
Anonymous
>>16218371 >>16218355 You guys mean to tell me that nothing is possibly wrong with Instacheck, and that it is one-in-the-same with getting Shinies the 'traditional' way?
Anonymous
>completely random=challenging
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>16218376 Oh my gosh you people actually think that it's not cheating.
Oh my
my my my
Anonymous
>>16218341 You're a faggot who justifies retardation as effort.
Anonymous
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>>16218341 Well.. that's like.. your opinion
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>>16218341 >difficulty and actual challenge Anonymous
>>16218430 Cheating is using something like no guard sheer cold arceus, this is just another way of getting the perfect pokemon you want
Anonymous
I don't care if people do it. My only problem is that people trade their flawless shinies and are only asking for shinies or good items. If anyone can get shinies easily now then they aren't valuable.
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>>16218430 >implying it is >implying you're not a faggot Anonymous
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The whole point of Pokemon is trading. At least these fags are doing it now,
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It's artificial challenge OP, if you like it you're either retarded or a masochist and getting shinies is not an achievement.
Anonymous
>Using outside tools. >Not cheating.
Anonymous
>>16218431 There's no pride in having a shiny if you didn't put virtually any time into getting it. Yeah, it's also silly to fill up all of your boxes with Beldums hoping to eventually hatch one, but at least by the end you've put the effort into obtaining it, and you have pride in it.
What's the point of having a shiny anyways if the OT is you?
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Either you're willing to put in a gorillion hours hatching masuda eggs or chaining, or you're willing to go through the arcane bullshit gauntlet of instacheck. Either way, you're autistic and the end result probably isn't even worth the hassle.
Sporbo 5386-8039-3719 {1557}
>>16218393 see:
>>16218419 so, no. Instacheck is more rewarding because WE ARE COMMUNICATING AND HAVING A GOOD TIME WITH FELLOW POKEBROS.
you, on the other hand, are alone, searching grass for hours on end just to find a pallete swapped mon with shit stats.
>M-m-muh legit shinies Anonymous
>>16218458 That's one of my main issues with it as well. What about the people who have spent so much time into getting a shiny through breeding? What will happen when they turn around and see hundreds of people behind them who have gotten theirs through Instachecking? It's ruining shinies.
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I'm okay when people using Instacheck for benevolent reasons like giving away eggs. For example, I had to navigate instacheck threads four days so I could get my first random shiny.
Anonymous
>>16218493 >having a good time with fellow Pokebros The first time I stepped into one of those threads all I saw was "GIVE ME MY SHINY BACK YOU FAGGOT!!!"
Anonymous
>>16218489 >fake difficulty >taking pride Anonymous
>>16218526 >implying shiny pokemon weren't ruined in every other gen due to PokeGen. Stay delusional friend.
Anonymous
>>16218493 >Having a good time. >Treating cheating as a business. Anonymous
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>>16218526 I honestly don't care for shinies. It just seems to me that everyone is trading only shinies. I can't really trade when I don't want to do instacheck.
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>>16218553 That's all shinies are supposed to do, basically.
Note that I said 'I can think of about 10-20 shinies that are actually good." And even them are hard to justify the hassle used to get them. But yeah, there is pride, and in-fact, the majority of the whole bloody-concept is pride.
Sporbo 5386-8039-3719 {1557}
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>>16218551 sometimes mistakes happen. as long as you clarify wether or not you want the poke back before the trade, shit's good.
Anonymous
>>16218393 >nothing is possibly wrong with Instacheck Yes.
>it is one-in-the-same with getting Shinies the 'traditional' way? No. Anyone who claims instacheck isn't cheating is just deluding themselves; it's obviously an unintended exploit of the system. It really is no better than getting a shiny through pokegen or whatever.
I just don't see anything wrong with exploiting the system in this case, if you really want a shiny that badly.
It's pretty bullshit to turn around and trade exploited shinies, though. Ruins the market.
Sporbo 5386-8039-3719 {1557}
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>>16218582 >good time=business nigga, are you retarded?
Anonymous
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>>16218341 >feeling proud of wasting countless hours rolling a 5000 sided die until it lands how you want Isn't it more satisfying knowing you used the tools available to you and got what you want by playing smart? If there were in-game methods of increasing the shiny rate, would you feel like you're cheating yourself out of the satisfaction by using them?
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>16218341 The creation of this thread proves that there is something wrong with instachecking shinies.
Shinies are normally earned. Here you are using someone elses program to get free shit. Sounds like hacking to me.
But regardless this fighting for each side is pointless the program isnt going anywhere soon it seems.
Anonymous
>>16218573 With Pokegen, a lot of the time you were able to tell that it was cheated for, and you could avoid it a ton of the time. I'm not saying that DIDN'T aid in ruining shinies in the past years. I'm saying that Instacheck is DEFINITELY cheating, as it IS an outside device USED TO QUICKEN THE SHINY PROCESS. Do you not think that, assuming there was a functioning Action Replay 3DS, it would be considered cheating to use a code that dramatically increased the chances of getting shinies?
This is basically the same thing.
Anonymous
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The only logical explanation for acquiring shinies is:
Anonymous
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To be fair instacheck is no worse than pokegen. I use pokegen and i don't even care about shinies but there's no difference
Anonymous
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Shines before Instacheck>Ugly >Pointless >Waste of time >Ugly >Pointless >Waste of time
Anonymous
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>>16218341 Oh no, someone get OP a bandaid because other people don't want to waste hours getting an alternate colored version of a model.
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>>16218654 Yeah.
For the record, this isn't a "STOP INSTACHECK THREAD BECAUSE I HATE PEOPLE TO BE HAPPY."
It's just when people are jumping in saying "LOL YOU'RE WASTING SO MUCH TIME HATCHING EGGS WHEN YOU CAN JUST INSTACHECK LOL SO MUCH EASIER AND IT'S STILL LEGIT." that pushes me over the limits.
Anonymous
>>16218430 I'm more surprised that you believed him when he said grass fed chicken even though chickens don't eat grass.
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>>16218654 >The creation of this thread proves that there is something wrong with instachecking shinies. Hardly, /vp/ will whine about literally anything.
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>>16218737 I never said I believe him, nor go back to the Chicken analogy.
But for the record, Chickens actually can and many suggest to be fed grass.
Anonymous
I'll just leave this here.
Anonymous
>>16218457 Cheating is whenever you circumvent the system as intended by the developers in order to achieve something in-game you couldn't otherwise do. This this case, the achievement is "getting a perfect IV shiny without investing a huge amount of time and/or luck."
But since they're zero downsides for other players, I don't know why anyone should give a fuck about this particular cheat. The only legt complaint is from traders getting fucked over by the sudden surplus of perfect shinies. Don't trade you Instacheck shiny, and there's no problem.
Anonymous
Anonymous
Anonymous
>people actually making a huge deal out of OP's opinion
Anonymous
>>16218802 can we just agree that while there are people like you who spend days trying to get shinies because of "the difficulty and actual challenge"
most people just want shinies because they prefer the shiny versions colours, realize that you're in the minority and the reason why most people want shinies in the first place and you'll be well on the way to not throwing a fit when someone "cheats"
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What if one is IV breeding (no mm) and they stumble across a shiny?
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>>16218926 >"the difficulty and actual challenge" the fuck are you talking about retard? i RNG abuse
Anonymous
>>16218792 It falls under the category of "violating rules". You're using a program to access and view data which is suppose to be hidden.
Anonymous
No matter what you're playing, anything that requires a huge waste of time will be defended quite zealously by anyone who wasted said time, and they'll attack anyone who finds a way to do it faster so they don't feel as worthless for wasting the time to begin with.
Sporbo 5386-8039-3719 {1557}
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>>16218901 >don't deserve to have something that's generated by a dice roll. stay autistic ponyboy.
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What is surprising me as a neutral observer is the extreme reticence of the pro-checker camp to admit they are cheating. You're whiffing files and looking at values that you weren't intended to in order to manipulate the outcome of events that are suppose to be pseudo-random. That's very clearly cheating. Should anyone really give a shit? No. But why sit in such utter denial about it?
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>>16219005 The answer, of course, is to just get what you want and lie about how you got it.
Anonymous
>>16218489 >>there's no pride stop right there, it's a game, you should not take games that seriously, i'm not being sarcastic or trying to be an ass, it's just the true, calm down
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>>16218341 >be in the car >breeding 5IV Torchics for the Battle Maison >suddenly Shiny Torchic >4IV, no speed >Blaze This is why people want to force 5IV shinies.
5215 0428 9218 (lapras, bergmite and snorunt)
5215 0428 9218 (lapras, bergmite and snorunt) Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:35:15 No. 16219125 Report Quoted By:
>>16219053 I do agree with that, but honestly, anyone who goes on /vp/ probably takes Pokemon more serious than it should be already.
In fact, I should probably do something productive.
...Nah.
Anonymous
>>16219053 >stop >you should not X seriously >it's just the true >calm down >i-it's not that serious guys >*cheats for pokemon* Fuck off, faggot. Maybe you like your cheated Pokemon but the rest of us want to get it with our own hands. If it doesn't have one of my OTs on it, it simply isn't mine.
Anonymous
>>16219053 That's stupid. If you don't take pride in your hobbiess what are you even living for
Ramona 1177-7874-5179 (Growlithe, Braixen, Charmeleon)
Ramona 1177-7874-5179 (Growlithe, Braixen, Charmeleon) Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:35:30 No. 16219136 Report I like to hatch for my shinies because I like them to have my OT, and I actually enjoy spending the time to do it. I like the surprise.
Bennett 1005 9339 9055 [Audino|Aipom|Ditto]
Bennett 1005 9339 9055 [Audino|Aipom|Ditto] Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:36:43 No. 16219168 Report It's not cheating. You still have to have the right parents, you still have to ride back and forth on your bike until you actually get the egg. Using Instacheck just lets you see what the egg is before you even hatch it, basically eliminating the tediousness of biking around in a circle for hours.
5215 0428 9218 (lapras, bergmite and snorunt)
5215 0428 9218 (lapras, bergmite and snorunt) Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:36:57 No. 16219171 Report Quoted By:
>>16219132 Basically shiny trading in a nutshell for me.
If I have a shiny Caterpie and someone offers me a shiny Charizard for it I refuse to trade. The OT is everything.
And besides, gold Caterpie is the best.
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>>16219168 Not to mention, you still have to dispose the failed eggs anyway, sooner or later.
5215 0428 9218 (lapras, bergmite and snorunt)
5215 0428 9218 (lapras, bergmite and snorunt) Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:38:02 No. 16219197 Report >>16219136 It's just the obnoxious ones who tell the hatchers they're wasting their time and how stupid they are for not using instacheck that get on my nerves.
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>>16219197 >People being obnoxious telling other people their method/opinion/way of life is better than theirs. This is a general problem.
Anonymous
>Using shinies that has someone elses OT
5215 0428 9218 (lapras, bergmite and snorunt)
5215 0428 9218 (lapras, bergmite and snorunt) Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:40:07 No. 16219241 Report Quoted By:
Anonymous
IT'S A GAME. A GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME
Anonymous
>>16219005 And when "finding a way to do it faster" involves exploiting game mechanics, you'll find people who rationalize that cheating isn't actually cheating when you're just skipping something really boring. And in order to protect this delusion, they'll berate and insult any who opines a preference for the legitimate method.
Common as all fuck.
It'd be a lot better if everyone could just admit that
A.It 's cheating, and B. It's okay to cheat as long as nobody else is effected.
Ramona 1177-7874-5179 (Growlithe, Braixen, Charmeleon)
Ramona 1177-7874-5179 (Growlithe, Braixen, Charmeleon) Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:41:52 No. 16219288 Report Quoted By:
>>16219197 Yeah, that's completely understandable. There have been a few instacheck people come into the shiny threads this weekend that I've seen, but I think they were all pretty nice about it. I feel like it only gets really bad when people start debating outside of the actual threads.
Tiger<3 - 3840 6641 7576 [1591] !yA73APtqpE
Tiger<3 - 3840 6641 7576 [1591] !yA73APtqpE Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:41:53 No. 16219289 Report Quoted By:
>>16218674 >not realizing that instacheck shinies are "Egg obtained through Link Trade" >thinking there's no way to differenciate them ok
Anonymous
I personally think that using your real-world knowledge and programming skills to make an application such as Instacheck is much more 'difficult' and a 'challenge' than mindlessly breeding Pokémon is. Anyone else feel this way?
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>>16219135 you are not pride of a shiny pokemon you got from a trade?
The term itself applies at what YOU consider to be "pride", for some pride it's getting a shiny out of the blue, for others just getting it in other ways.
So yeah, i feel "pride" on my hobbies, but not necessarily at what you consider to be prideful
Anonymous
>>16219261 Exactly.
Thats why its so pathetic to cheat.
Anonymous
>>16219267 >And in order to protect this delusion, they'll berate and insult any who opines a preference for the legitimate method. Kinda how you're berating and insulting anybody who uses a method that you don't deem "legitimate"?
All Instacheck is doing is letting people get shinies (via trading); time and effort still went into breeding those pokemon to have good IVs and natures.
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>>16219168 Using a program to view hidden data is cheating. Further more, the game is obviously designed to require a time investment before you discover the results of an egg, so circumventing that is clearly a violation of the rules.
Now, that's stupid game design where the rules only make the game less fun for the player, so I don't feel bad about breaking them. But to say it isn't cheating is just to understand the definition of the word.
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>>16218341 Nothing is wrong with admitting you want help from your friends on /vp/. Just find out your TSV and join a CheckThread. It's enrly as time consuming as MM, but you get to socialize and help friends get their shinies too.
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>>16219319 Well, sure, but the vast majority of people taking advantage of Instacheck had nothing to do with it's creation.
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>>16219407 It's okay to cheat.
Anonymous
>>16219545 I'm berating people who rationalize that cheating isn't cheating, and people who look down on others for preferring the legitimate method.
I prefer Instacheck. It's much less of a headache than legit method, and I don't attach much importance on OTs nor do I take pride in investing a large amount of time. I just like the alternate look for some pokes.
Obviously I don't have a problem with people who share these opinions, or anyone who uses Instacheck for whatever reason. But I do have a problem with people who rationalize and redefine what it means to cheat because they're afraid of being scorned when they aren't doing anything wrong.
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>>16219844 I'm sure being autistic about what other people think has always helped them change their minds.
Anonymous
>>16219407 >John likes Pink >John likes Sneasel >John doesn't have a lot of time to invest in pokemon >Therefor John cheats to get a pink Sneasel Yeah what a pathetic piece of shit this guy is. It'd be much cooler to spend 500 hours hitting left and right on a 3DS to get one.
Anonymous
Instacheat is cheating. Group them in with RNGers and Genners imo.
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>>16220200 Genning, RNGing and Instacheck isn't cheating.
Anonymous
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I don't care if people cheat, as long as the Pokémon they're cheating for are no better than Pokémon that can be obtained legally. I understand it takes a long time to get something in game.
Anonymous
It's exploiting. Not cheating.
Anonymous
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>Caring about how other people play a children's video game
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at least it isn't as bad as pokegen...
Anonymous
Hey OP, did you know that you're "instachecking" without realizing it when you finally hatch your shiny egg? It has the same shiny value as your trainer, therefore you just hatched it the same way as people do in instacheck threads. You just wasted time getting there.
In fact, had you traded your other eggs to other trainers, they might be shiny.
Also this
>>16220313 Anonymous
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Does it even matter if Instacheck is cheating or not? It's not like shiny pokemon are better than regular pokemon or anthing; It's just a palette swap
Anonymous
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>>16219319 >implying everyone who uses instacheck had a part of its creation Sure, maybe if you went through the hassle of making a program yourself to do it, but even THEN it's cheating anyways.
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>>16220173 >John likes pink >John is a homo Anonymous
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>>16221085 Guess what? I'm not instachecking when I hatch a shiny egg the good old-fashioned way, because:
1. I'm not using instacheck
2. I don't know my trainer shiny value
3. I'm not contacting mass amounts of other trainers to get an egg with my shiny value
Tiamath 4270-1408-1357 (Dusclops, Chandelure, Pumpkaboo) SV: {2080}
Tiamath 4270-1408-1357 (Dusclops, Chandelure, Pumpkaboo) SV: {2080} Sun 24 Nov 2013 23:39:12 No. 16228698 Report Quoted By:
While I did abuse this Instacheck thing for a few shinies for myself, I mostly just use it to give eggs for my friends now.
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I agree with OP to a certain point, i do search in instacheck generals but i also like to do chaining and search safaris and trade my "legit" shinys and do matsuda on my own because the feeling of finding one shiny without further notice beats the one of "look i have that number gimme please". But i also happen to come across some bros giving shinys and better yet hatch eggs and then give it back just because it will make the other happy. That is a great thing too.
>>16218551 On the other hand i have never encounter such things.
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>>16219002 which is what everyone does when we check our IVs using a calculator, or pen, paper and maths.
Is there a way to check the exact 6 IVs of your pokemon in-game? No. Then this data is supposed to be hidden, you are now cheating every time you calculate your IVs, even if it is with pen and paper
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>>16218341 >Call it what you will extreme masochism
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I usually am against shortcuts in any competitive vidya but in this case, shinies don't actually aid in gameplay. They're just cosmetic. So who gives a fuck? Autists, that's who. They give a fuck.
>>16218341 Anonymous
>>16218624 >Exploiting game mechanicswithin the game is the same as hacking into the data typical anti-instacheck retard
Anonymous
>>16232831 I'm not anti-instacheck. I explicitly said there's nothing wrong with it; can you not read?
But yeah, exploiting in-game mechanics and hacking into data are equally illegitimate. I don't know why people bother drawing a line between the the two. Either way you're circumventing the system to do something the game doesn't intend, and either way it doesn't hurt anyone. But whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.
Anonymous
>Using Instacheck is cheating because these values are supposed to be hidden! >It's the same as Pokegen! >It's exploiting the game mechanics so it's wrong!
Anonymous
>>16233023 >exploiting in-game mechanics and hacking into data are equally illegitimate >rocket jumping is the same as using an aimbot shinku 5429 7968 9637 [SV: 3288, 884, 3802]
shinku 5429 7968 9637 [SV: 3288, 884, 3802] Mon 25 Nov 2013 02:53:47 No. 16234060 Report Quoted By:
>>16233331 i agree with all this except the "cheating" part, since you're in a way cheating the system to get your shinies.
of course, when the alternative is biking route 7 like a mofo, a lil' bit of cheating isn't going to kill anyone.
the honor system IS pretty cool however, i think i like instacheck more because of the honor thing than the actual shinies
Anonymous
>>16233331 Also, one further point:
>It's bad because it devalues shinies and ruins the market! The only people who benefit from having a "market" - as opposed to free availability for all - are those who want to maximize their "profits". And if you think jewing as hard as you can to maximize your gains is more in the spirit of Pokemon than what the people over in the Instacheck communities are doing, then you're fucking delusional.
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>>16218489 I get shinies because I like the colors.
You're wasting your time. You could be using your time doing something that actually matters. What f you lose your save? Hope it was worth it.
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>>16218341 Shiny has no advantage when compared to perfect IV pokemon
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>>16233439 >>16233023 If the game didn't intend for you to rocket jump, yes.
Both Pokegen and Instacheck break the rules of tournaments on a technical level (using external devices to manipulate the game; Gen manipulates the data, Check manipulates the odds), but the pokemon you get are completely legal and there's no way to tell if a legal pokemon is illegitimate without extremely invasive procedures.
Anonymous
>>16218341 >the reason why I want a shiny, and enjoy having them, is the difficulty and actual challenge of actually getting one myself listen, I know 'hipster' is a buzzword, but that's all I can get out of what i'm reading here. Who cares what other people are doing. I can't use Instacheck because i'm a macfaggot, but you don't hear me whinging that my shinies are worth more just cuz I biked in a circle for two weeks straight to get them.
Anonymous
>>16237303 And heck, if you asked someone in the thread, they'd likely tell you your SV and check your eggs for you.
Anonymous
>>16218341 I have a box of shinies now, a decent percentage of which are 4 and 5IVs.
I honestly want shinies to lose all value. People were such awful dicks in the trading threads, it was all hoarding and trying to out-scam one another. Now I can breed a box of near perfects, keep one or two to myself, and make a whole bunch of people happy. This is fantastic, and I'm not even remotely bothered that you can't hoard and gloat over crappy recolors in a children's game any more.
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>>16218800 >This this case, the achievement is "getting a perfect IV shiny without investing a huge amount of time and/or luck." But that is perfectly possible without cheating.
Just highly unlikely.
But still possible, therefore not cheating.
Anonymous
>>16237365 Oh my gosh, what
I'll have to do that first thing tomorrow
Anonymous
>>16237469 Yeh, I've been farming honedges, and I can't run instacheck on my lappy at all.
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>>16237511 Thank you friend, this changes everything.
Anonymous
>>16218474 >IV calculators >cheating Anonymous
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>>16237469 Not that anon, but I've never even bothered with getting Instacheck to work and I've already burned through multiple batches of eggs. You have to trade with someone in order to check your eggs shiny value, so getting someone to check your value or even a box of eggs isn't that hard.
Anonymous
>>16237388 This.
Also instacheck makes sure assholes never gip you again by saying I have 6IV Lucario when it only had one decent stat.
OP's words though are very strong.
They are just the right amount of butthurt to feed me for many years to come.
I have been this well nourished since /pol/ and the 2012 elections.
Anonymous
>>16218341 I don't give a shit about shinies unless they look better than the original colours, and even then shinies have shit IV's.
By the way, I got a shiny Luvdisc I caught while farming for Heart Scales Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>16237565 Yes, and pen and paper is cheating too.
shinku 5429 7968 9637 [SV: 3288, 884, 3802]
shinku 5429 7968 9637 [SV: 3288, 884, 3802] Mon 25 Nov 2013 05:33:05 No. 16237926 Report Quoted By:
>>16237637 i got my shiny corsola this way back in ruby, i did with it the only thing you can do with a shiny with crappy stats
nicknamed it azurite and went and beat the masters pokebeauty or whatever it was called thing (that shit may did in the anime) with it, in the tough category imagine my surprise when
the portrait for winning tough masters was in black and white
