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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:09:25 No.16218524 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>16218659 >>16218672 >>16218908

Alright. I'm relatively new to competitive battle, so help me out /vp/.

I'm trying to make a team without using overused/ predictable sets, except for one or maybe two. I've picked three but I need help with the other three. Also, tell me if I'm headed in the right direction or not.

Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Water Shuriken
- U-turn
- Rock Slide
- Shadow Sneak

Breloom (F) @ Wide Lens
Ability: Effect Spore
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Drain Punch
- Stone Edge
- Bullet Seed
- Focus Punch

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Swords Dance
- Agility
- Substitute
- Baton Pass

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:15:30 No.16218653 Report

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Bump.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:15:46 No.16218659 Report

Quoted By: >>16218701 >>16218972

>>16218524
That Gliscor is absolute Taunt bait.

And Effect Spore Breloom... Why? Because Poison Heal is overused? 30% chance to Sleep/Paralyze/Poison when opponent uses a contact move is very unreliable and pretty weak compared to healing 12.5% of your HP every turn.

Also
>Using Wide Lens for 1 move

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:16:23 No.16218672 Report

Quoted By: >>16218772

>>16218524
I salute you for your ideals. Been trying to avoid overused for a while.

That said, I have no thoughts on greninja, but as far as breloom goes, you're better off with Technician instead of Effect Spore. Go with mach punch instead of drain punch, and maybe leech seed instead of focus punch.

That gliscor set might work, as long as you pass it to something like...

Rhydon @ eviolite
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Rock Blast
- Earthquake
- Megahorn
- Aqua Tail

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:17:25 No.16218701 Report

Quoted By: >>16218720 >>16218731

>>16218659
The effect spore is for the bullet seed. it's 30% for each hit, so I figure I would try it out. Again, I'm new to this.

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:18:13 No.16218720 Report

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>>16218701
Nono, effect spore only works when they hit YOU, not the other way around.

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:18:54 No.16218731 Report

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>>16218701
Effect Spore only activates when you get hit by a contact move.

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:21:21 No.16218772 Report

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>>16218672
Eh. Alright. I guess the effect spore isn't a great idea. But why the rock heat for rhydon if it doesn't have a recoil move?

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:22:43 No.16218811 Report

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>>16218720
>>16218731

Whoops. Scrapping the effect spore then. Technician it is.

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:23:28 No.16218836 Report

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>>16218772
Because its other ability is Lightningrod, which is only of any use whatsoever in Doubles.

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:23:47 No.16218844 Report

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>>16218772
Really it's just there for filler.
Lightningrod is useless for rhydon, and since it's rhydon it doesn't get Head Smash, so neither of its other abilities are of much use.

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:26:38 No.16218908 Report

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>>16218524

Always liked the idea of physical Greninja

Breloom...Erm...Well...Focus Punch and Drain Punch? In fact, Focus Punch without Substitute? Bullet Seed without Technician? Wide Lens? Effect Spore? So many questionable choices. The set doesn't mesh together.

Gliscor. The set is interesting and unexpected, but as some other anon said, taunt bait. Why not run an attack move so you can punish switch ins with your +2 Att or Speed?

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:29:03 No.16218972 Report

Quoted By: >>16219026 >>16219088

>>16218659
>>16218908
He could always switch in an Espeon with magic bounce. Just gotta get good with predicting

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:31:51 No.16219026 Report

Quoted By: >>16219098

>>16218972
For what purpose? By switching out, he loses any accumulated boosts and risks his frail Espeon.

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:34:04 No.16219088 Report

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>>16218972

That's true, but he'd lose all of his boosts. I'd personally prefer an attacking move for other situations as well anyway. Like not being able to baton pass to whatever he wants to baton pass to, but those boosts not going to waste.

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:34:19 No.16219098 Report

Quoted By: >>16219151

>>16219026
Unless he runs a baton pass set on Espeon, too...

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:35:59 No.16219151 Report

Quoted By: >>16219207

>>16219098
So he can switch into Espeon, potentially risking losing it to any move ever, then Baton Pass out the zero stat boosts he would've accumulated in his single turn of switching in to another Pokémon? Ok.

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:38:43 No.16219207 Report

Quoted By: >>16219305

>>16219151
Nono, give Espeon something like agility or calm mind, and THEN baton pass.

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:41:11 No.16219266 Report

Quoted By: >>16219320

Actually, I was going to set it up to where my boosts would go to a sweeper. I was thinking of using aggron or tyrantum with rock head negating the head smash. If that didn't work, I would switch glisscor out with a baton passer with access to nasty plot or calm mind, then baton passing to sylveon. Moonblast, hidden power ground for the iron/poison types, shadow ball for coverage, and some over move. Slyveon has some impressive bulk to boot.

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:42:34 No.16219305 Report

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>>16219207
But Espeon is even more frail than Gliscor. The odds of it dying before it can pass anything on are fairly high. Your idea could work situationally, but off the top of my head, none of the teams I've built this gen would allow it.

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:43:18 No.16219320 Report

Quoted By: >>16219481

>>16219266

Just a note, Rock Head Tyrantrum isn't available.

Also, that's a lot of setup that takes up 4/6 of your team. In most situations, something would probably go wrong. A clever opponent isn't going to let you do this easily.

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:50:10 No.16219475 Report

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I've seen a few Greninja like that, and it usually is about as effective as the normal set. Never really surprising either.

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:50:17 No.16219481 Report

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>>16219320
If all else failed, I would have my aggron to fall onto. I was going to possibly use him in my mega slot to get rid of those 4x weaknesses. The only problem would be rock head would turn into filter, so I would have to rely on my other three slots or risk killing myself.

The sylveon would be good for coverage and a tank, but it's speed is the main thing that's worrying me. But, you're right. It's a lot of setup with a lot of risk.

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 17:54:44 No.16219558 Report

Quoted By: >>16219652

i need a good name for Latias go

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 18:00:59 No.16219652 Report

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>>16219558
Latte

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Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2013 18:06:05 No.16219771 Report

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I hate to do this to another person's thread, but it's relevant.

What is the best position for Clawitzer? I really want a bulky water type, and I love Clawitzer.
I was thinking 252HP/116SpA and put the rest in to the defenses. Maybe focus on just defense as I'll use the Assault Vest on it.
Now moves, the 50% boost is too much for me to ignore, so;
>Aura Sphere
>Water Pulse
>Dark/Dragon Pulse
>Venoshock/Sludge Wave

On average I can get a couple of speed boosts passed down to other Pokémon on my team, and I also get toxic spikes out which meant Toxic isn't half as important and would make Venoshock threatening. Sludge Wave is safer, though.

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