Anonymous
Acupressure and Baton Pass for mystery pass shenanigans
Anonymous
>>16240017 Don't waste him on this, your set looked pretty good.
I'm in the process of testing him, I've had success with
>Bullet Punch >High Jump Kick >Psycho Cut (Can't get Zen Headbutt yet) >Recover Anonymous
Anonymous
>>16240091 >recover for what purpose
also zen headbutt is just a heart scale, but you should be using psycho cut anyway
>>16240110 I hate the legitimacy of this statement
Anonymous
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>>16240200 Its still frail and will take hits being slow as shit it needs a way to get HP back
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops)
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops) Mon 25 Nov 2013 07:25:24 No. 16240269 Report Quoted By:
>>16240091 Holy shit, I was honestly considering Recover before substitute, but wasn't really sure if it'd be viable, glad to see I'm not the only one
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops)
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops) Mon 25 Nov 2013 07:38:55 No. 16240532 Report >>16240110 Thought of that, and stacked a few pokemon with counters to him.
Anonymous
>>16239975 You could try subbing as they switch into a Talonflame. Then OHK with Psycho Cut
Anonymous
>>16240532 Is there any pokemon that can take 2 hits from talonflame and OHKO it?
I can only think of heatran and he's not released
Anonymous
>>16240641 Any defensive pokemon with access to rock moves.
Crustle.
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops)
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops) Mon 25 Nov 2013 07:47:59 No. 16240706 Report Quoted By:
>>16240630 that's kinda what i was thinking when it came to the choice between Sub and Recover. Sub can have this benefit, and I know for a fact I'll have a talonflame problem the second i throw this out in the battle
Anonymous
>>16240665 The Crustle I run for my bug team.
252+ Atk Life Orb Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 108 HP / 244+ Def Crustle: 66-79 (41.5 - 49.6%)
Anonymous
>>16240709 Where did you find a gen 6 damage calculator?
Anonymous
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>>16240751 Thanks, gonna run some talonflame tests.
Anonymous
252+ Atk Pure Power Mega Medicham Psycho Cut vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 145-172 (94.1 - 111.6%)
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops)
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops) Mon 25 Nov 2013 07:55:59 No. 16240855 Report >>16240789 Is that with an attack beneficial nature on Megacham as well?
Anonymous
>>16240641 252+ Atk Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 127-150 (38.3 - 45.3%)
252+ Atk Life Orb Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 165-195 (49.8 - 58.9%)
Also Unaware, so Swords Dance doesn't do dick.
Anonymous
>>16240855 Yup, Zen Headbutt goes for the kill though.
Anonymous
>>16240867 lel forgot HP
252+ Atk Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 127-150 (32.2 - 38%)
252+ Atk Life Orb Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 165-195 (41.8 - 49.4%)
You've got Leftovers, you've got Recover, you could have Swagger which is free confusion thanks to Unaware. Also
0 SpA Quagsire Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 168-198 (56.5 - 66.6%)
0 Atk Quagsire Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 200-236 (67.3 - 79.4%)
Anonymous
>>16240867 I'm actually thinking that Gliscor is the best counter right now, with rock slide or something. Also Gliscor is more useful in general than Crustle or Quagsire.
252+ Atk Life Orb Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Gliscor: 138-164 (38.9 - 46.3%)
Anonymous
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>>16240867 Why would you use 0 HP Quagsire? No ones does. 252/252 is the way to go.
Anonymous
>>16240922 well yes if you want to be an OUfag
Anonymous
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>>16240921 252+ Atk Life Orb Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Crustle: 66-79 (37.2 - 44.6%)
0 Atk Crustle Rock Slide vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 216-256 (140.2 - 166.2%)
Get on Crustle's level yo.
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>>16240953 Well I am playing OU.
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops)
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops) Mon 25 Nov 2013 08:31:34 No. 16241527 Report Quoted By:
>>16240889 So do you think i should take that 10% miss chance risk? also, with the Flinch chance, it's not as much of a benefit as the higher crit chance, since it is slow and doesn't benefit as much from the flinch.
Anonymous
On the Talonflame remarks, i'm trying to figure out if he would make a good pick for my 3v3 team.
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops)
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops) Mon 25 Nov 2013 08:50:13 No. 16241800 Report >>16241622 sure! Might i suggest swapping out the life orb on cloyster for the White herb i believe it is? (whatever item makes you ignore negative effects from status moves) and then give the Orb to your Talonflame. With priority roost, you'll have no problem getting back the HP from all the recoil, and the extra power will be worth it.
Anonymous
>>16241800 Ooh, that does sound rather nice. The damage boost on Cloyster was a bit overkill - I ran King's Rock for a while because the 5x hit wit ha chance to flinch was wrecking poor bastards on free battle, and avoiding status issues sounds rather nice.
Thanks!
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops)
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops) Mon 25 Nov 2013 08:57:02 No. 16241904 Report Anonymous
>>16241904 I can't believe it's almost 4 server time.
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Lord_Hazemus 0963 0381 0901 [Fighting] Machoke Pancham Hariyama Mon 25 Nov 2013 09:00:01 No. 16241949 Report >>16241800 >the Orb to your Talonflame. With priority roost, you'll have no problem getting back the HP from all > to your Talonflame. With priority roost, you'll >Talonflame. With priority roost Im breeding a Galewings Talonflame right now whos set includes Roost.
But it never occurd to me that roost would benefit from gale wings.
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops)
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops) Mon 25 Nov 2013 09:03:42 No. 16242020 Report >>16241918 I'm not following you there, The picture of Stu was to accurately display my current state of mind.
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops)
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops) Mon 25 Nov 2013 09:04:52 No. 16242033 Report Quoted By:
>>16241949 Tailwind too if you want to get REAL crazy with it.
Anonymous
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops)
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops) Mon 25 Nov 2013 09:08:35 No. 16242094 Report >>16242035 Replace the stove pan with a 3Ds and it's basically my girlfriends reaction:
>4:00 am >riding the route in front of the daycare >girlfriend wakes up and turns over >"what are you doing?" >"making perfect pokemon" >"why are you making perfect pokemon at 4:30 in the morning?" >"Because i've lost control of my life." Anonymous
>>16242094 You have a gf and you think you've lost control.
I bet you have a job / go to school as well, fucking normalfag.
Anonymous
So did we ever decide if Recover is viable on Megacham?
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops)
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops) Mon 25 Nov 2013 09:28:38 No. 16242368 Report >>16242136 guilty as charged...Making a team takes three weeks.
>>16242230 We did not, it became a Talonflame general about 4 posts in.
But can we talk about this now? Because I need to know aswell.
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>>16242368 Personally, I'd prefer to run recover on Cham, because it shouldn't really be kept in against Talonflame anyway. Recover is great against users of Sucker Punch and also helps to mitigate the damage from HJK misses.
Anonymous
You want fire punch for aegislash, it outright 2HKOs the thing, and you can survive a shadow sneak. If you dont pack fire punch it switches in with impunity. With fire punch aegislash might end up running for its life.
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>>16242564 The moment Aegislash hits the field, it becomes a guessing game though.
>Will he king's shield, better recover >Will he set up or attack, better go for the kill Shit's crazy yo.
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>>16242564 Gonna have to some weird ass predicting if you're against a capable opponent.
Anonymous
>>16242564 >Send in Aegislash >You fire punch the switch in >+2 from weakness policy >shadow sneak for the kill >send in aegislash as a revenge counter >swords dance >take a fire punch >+4 >shadow sneak for the kill Anonymous
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>>16242564 This is true, but again, is this really necessary? Why not switch out to something else? Megacham is a wallbreaker, it doesn't need to counter everything in existence. I find it's best used late game to clean up.
Try using Gliscor on your team, it counters Talonflame, Blaziken and Aegislash. Talonflame dies to acrobatics, as does Blaziken. Aegislash gets Taunted and EQ'd to death.
In my experience, Gliscor makes a good switch out from Megacham in 90% of situations.
Anonymous
Why not run Focus Energy and go with Unlimited Crit Hit Works?
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>>16240110 >a pokemon has a counter! zounds! Anonymous
>>16242662 and guess what
swords dance aegislash is hilariously non threatening because antying with decent physical bulk can live a +6 shadow sneak. What do you plan to do to gliscor? Hit it for 30-40% with shadow sneak then keel over to earthquake?
Swords dance Aegislash is AWFUL. If you're using a weakness policy non boosting set, thats even less threatening because if it gets forced out, and it will because it is slow, then its item is gone forever. There is nothing scary about a +2 aegislash to a competent team.
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>>16242737 Id think because this thing still has no set-up time, it already has a 654 base attack with pure power and full adamant attk investment, staus boosting moves just seem like a waste of a moveslot
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>>16242863 and guess what
This is exactly my point so what are you contributing that hasn't already been said?
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>>16240641 >Tyranitar >Rotom-W >Hippowdon >Quagsire >Any bulky water >Any rock type Anonymous
Roar Riolou, Whirlwind Murkrow.
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>>16242863 This guy gets it, once the hype dies down, Aegislash will be UU material. It's too reliant on prediction, and taunt makes it useless.
Anyways, Mega Medicham is a freaking beast, but it requires a little support. Sticky Web makes it absolutely monstrous, as does baton passing speed boosts.
Anonymous
>>16242989 I'll take "Shit that doesn't work" for 500 Alex
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops)
Monty 4356-0557-4877(Phantump, Shuppet, Dusclops) Mon 25 Nov 2013 17:14:53 No. 16247130 Report Quoted By:
