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Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 13:58:46 No.16244748 View View Reply Original Report

>everybody complains about smogon bird, sword, frog, or even a lot of megas
>this checks a good number of those things

does /vp/ really suck this much at competetive pokemon?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:00:57 No.16244779 Report

Quoted By: >>16244805

>gets raped by Talonflame
>can't do shit against Aegislash
>not that great against Greninja, MegaGar and MegaKhan

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:02:13 No.16244788 Report

Quoted By: >>16244805

>"check for smogon bird"
>is part fighting

nigga wat?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:03:24 No.16244805 Report

Quoted By: >>16244862 >>16244874 >>16244898

>>16244779
>>16244788

>doesn't know how to fakeout or quickguard
>aegislash is taunt+suckerpunch bait
>what is drain punch

see what i mean?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:03:39 No.16244811 Report

Quoted By: >>16245016

good thread, wrong pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:04:23 No.16244834 Report

Quoted By: >>16244926

>>16244748
It also dies to Earthquake. And any sort of decent powered flying move. Or psychic move. It's crippled by Will-o-Wisp, it's only answer to Aegislash is Sucker Punch, which a competent opponent with just set up in the face of, it can't do shit about M-Khan or Garchomp which are on roughly every other team.

Yep. Pretty great poke you got there, OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:06:29 No.16244862 Report

Quoted By: >>16244909 >>16244911 >>16244926

>>16244805
Quickguard will fail if used in succession. That's like saying something is good because it learns protect.

252+ Atk Toxicroak Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Blade: 288-340 (88.8 - 104.9%)

Not reliable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:07:10 No.16244874 Report

Quoted By: >>16244926

>>16244805
Turn 1: Fake Out
Turn 2: Quick Guard
Turn 3: Brave Bird to the face, OHKO
Some check.

Also
>Not switching out Aegislash after the Taunt
>Implying drain punch can one-shot M-Khan or Garchomp
>Implying Toxicroak outspeeds Greninja

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:10:38 No.16244898 Report

Quoted By: >>16244926 >>16244961

>>16244805
>fakeout or quickguard
You're aware those moves won't kill the bird, right?

>aegislash is taunt+suckerpunch bait
Aegislash outlives it and OHKO's back. Or switches out after Taunt.

>what is drain punch
Really? Greninja will be Ghost type when you try to hit it. MegaGar is Ghost as well. And MegaKhan will probably use Sucker Punch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:12:04 No.16244909 Report

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>>16244862
actually there was a thread on smogon forums demonstrating how that no longer happens with wide guard, it gets used consecutively for 10 turns in 4 different battles, i assume its the same for quick guard as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:12:08 No.16244911 Report

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>>16244862
Quick Guard only increases the failure rate of protect/detect/endure. It doesn't ever fail itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:12:15 No.16244913 Report

Quoted By: >>16244921

>Talonflame used Brave Bird!
>Greninja used Extrasensory!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:13:01 No.16244921 Report

Quoted By: >>16245023

>>16244913

extrasensory greninja

lol

what's next, dig ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:13:28 No.16244926 Report

Quoted By: >>16244975 >>16244978

>>16244898
>>16244874
>>16244862
>>16244834

and this is when i realize that none of you plays doubles

Guess i'm a fag at this point. Usually I got fakeout to allow a partner to set up (gyarados with DD for me) , then either use one of the other moves to take care of the opponent's partner or quick guard, while toxicroak goes for the partner

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:16:26 No.16244961 Report

Quoted By: >>16245019

>>16244898
>You're aware those moves won't kill the bird, right?
why the hell would you use quick guard in singles?

i agree these things are a little OP in singles but talonflame in doubles? its just not happening

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:19:31 No.16244975 Report

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>>16244926
Its worth noting that quick guard will stop everything that hits your side of the field if its boosted by any sort of priority, Prankster etc. Fake Out outspeeds Quick Guard unless its a Prankster Quick Guard(Meowstic only, and then Fake Out will still get past if Meowstic is too slow)

I wanted Quick guard on my 6IV Meinshou but I removed it by accident with Stone Edge and now he can never learn it again because its a prevo move ;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:20:13 No.16244978 Report

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>>16244926
yeah the thing is doubles and singles are completely different ball parks as im sure you're aware

they anons probably thought you where talking about singles since its taken as the "default" battle mode (doubles is more fun though imo)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:24:00 No.16245016 Report

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>>16244811
You could rip that to shreds with fucking Cut

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:24:08 No.16245019 Report

Quoted By: >>16245122

>>16244961
Because stupid players think "surely he'll stop quick-guarding now"

and then they run out of pp for brave bird.

At least I hope so, I need to try this at some point, if i can actually pull it off it will be hilarious. It will require absolutely perfect prediction though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:25:15 No.16245023 Report

Quoted By:

>>16244921

Protean Greninja with Expert Belt.

OHKOs Gengar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:34:11 No.16245104 Report

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>OP doesn't realise that the best check to most of the currently OU pokemon is Gliscor
It kills Sanicbird, 2spookysword and Megachicken easily. Sword gets taunted + quaked, bird and chicken get acrobatics'd.

It only fears Greninja.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2013 14:36:14 No.16245122 Report

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>>16245019
yeah no kidding, you'd have to stall them for 15 turns

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