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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:14:36 No.16258214 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>16258273 >>16258533 >>16258680 >>16258688 >>16258907 >>16259003 >>16259087 >>16259104 >>16259217 >>16259660 >>16260040 >>16260110 >>16260565 >>16269720 >>16270488 >>16274945

Uber Tier

>Mewtwo X/Y
>Blaziken

God Tier
>Kangaskhan
>Gengar

Top Tier
>Mawile
>Lucario

High
>Charizard Y
>Garchomp
>Pinsir
>Tyranitar
>Scizor

Somewhat Usable Tier
>Venusaur
>Gardevoir
>Alakazam
>Charizard X
>Aggron
>Medicham
>Gyarados
>Areodactyl

Niche Tier
>Absol
>Banette
>Ampharos
>Blastoise

Shit Tier
>Abomasnow
>Manectric
>Houndoom
>Heracross

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:16:53 No.16258273 Report

Quoted By: >>16258450 >>16258626 >>16259146

>>16258214
>Y-zard better than X-zard

Pffff

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:22:39 No.16258450 Report

Quoted By: >>16258626

>>16258273
It is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:26:03 No.16258533 Report

Quoted By: >>16277223

>>16258214

I found decent use for Mega Houndoom on a Sun team, but I do agree it is pretty useless otherwise.

Mega Gyarados is far more useful than most people think though. That extra bulk makes it so easy to use Dragon Dance and then sweep. It's a great counter for things like Rotom-W and Gengar thanks to Mold Breaker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:29:42 No.16258626 Report

Quoted By: >>16259146

>>16258273
>>16258450
Inclined to agree. Getting fire atacks boosted by the sun coming off insane SpA makes it one scary nigga.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:32:17 No.16258680 Report

Quoted By: >>16258788 >>16260110

>>16258214
Switch Pinsir with Gyarados and you'll be golden, brah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:32:41 No.16258688 Report

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>>16258214
Move Abomasnow up a tier (Dat 100% accuracy Blizzard) and Blastoise down one and it'll be 10/10.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:34:25 No.16258717 Report

Quoted By: >>16258767

>Mega Heracross shit tier

but subs are fucking everywhere this generation

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:36:45 No.16258767 Report

Quoted By: >>16258852 >>16259029

>>16258717
It's pretty much strictly worse than Noivern, M-Khan, Cloyster, and even M-Gardevoir when it comes to dealing with subs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:37:29 No.16258788 Report

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>>16258680
>He hasn't been #rekt by a Pinsir

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:39:42 No.16258852 Report

Quoted By: >>16258994

>>16258767
but it's still heracross
revenge kill one in regular form with moxie, mega-evolve and you're good to sweep

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:42:10 No.16258907 Report

Quoted By: >>16259018

>>16258214
>Blaziken
>Uber

That shitbird sucks dick. Never been killed by it, it gets rekt'd by Thunderwave Max HP Max Def Impish Gyarados. Git gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:45:13 No.16258994 Report

Quoted By: >>16265471

>>16258852
Alternatively, you can spend your Mega slot on something that doesn't need to dick around in regular form before sweeping. Or spend your team slot on something that doesn't need to revenge kill before sweeping.

There's seriously no reason to use it other than liking Heracross.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:45:27 No.16259003 Report

Quoted By: >>16259059

>>16258214
Move Bannette, Ampharos and Aerodactyl to shit and Houndoom, Gardevoir, Aggron and Manectric to niche.

Move Mawile from Top, Sucker Punch is easy to see coming and she's too easy to dispatch.

Charizard Y or Garchomp can take her place, those are scary motherfuckers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:46:14 No.16259018 Report

Quoted By: >>16259074

>>16258907
>Leaving Blaziken in against Gyarados
You've been playing against idiots.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:46:37 No.16259029 Report

Quoted By: >>16259123

>>16258767
>people still don't realize that Icicle Spear > icicle crash on mamoswine

more wins for me

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:46:54 No.16259040 Report

Quoted By: >>16259089 >>16259139

As retarded as its design is, I would not call Manetric shit. 135 SpA is good and 135 speed is just incredible, and Intimidate+Volt Switch is a great combo that can let you safely hammer down bulky physical attackers.

Really, if you think he's shit you haven't used him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:47:18 No.16259059 Report

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>>16259003
>Implying Banette doesn't have a niche
Seriously. I've worked it into my team. With proper synergy it's pretty great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:47:46 No.16259074 Report

Quoted By: >>16259237

>>16259018
Still don't matter if they switch, something is gonna get paralyzed or Taunted. If they switch, then I know they are fucked against my Gyarados.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:48:04 No.16259087 Report

Quoted By:

>>16258214
>he thinks Mega Houndoom is shit

Haha oh wow you haven't met my sun team

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:48:13 No.16259089 Report

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>>16259040
Also, can't forget about that free SpA boost if you can correctly predict an electric attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:48:55 No.16259104 Report

Quoted By: >>16271376

>>16258214
This is so wrong after top tier
almost all of the megas are equally deadly after that, minus aggron, abomasnow, and apharos

Heracross is a devastating wall breaker and nothing wants to switch into his shit

Venusaur is infuckingvincible outside of talonflame and alakazam

Blastoise opens holes in the other team AND can spin

Re evaluate

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:49:26 No.16259123 Report

Quoted By: >>16259134

>>16259029
If I could get Icicle Spear Mamo then I would.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:50:00 No.16259134 Report

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>>16259123
le smeargle faec

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:50:14 No.16259139 Report

Quoted By: >>16259310 >>16261730

>>16259040
Jolteon can do all of that except the Intimidate bit, and there are far better Intimidators out there. It's not necessarily that Mega-Manectric is bad, it's that you'd always be better off using something else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:50:32 No.16259146 Report

Quoted By: >>16259273 >>16259295

>>16258273
>>16258626
Good luck with that Mediocre speed and that weakness to Electric/4x to Rock.

I'll be here with my DD+1 Tough Claws Fire Blitz/OR

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:53:37 No.16259217 Report

Quoted By: >>16259295 >>16259306

>>16258214
>Mewtwo
>Kangaskhan
>Lucario
You clearly haven't met my off button for those three.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:54:44 No.16259237 Report

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>>16259074
>Switch to Garchomp
>Stone Edge

Between ways of healing status, Pokemon that don't care about Taunt, and things that are flat-out immune to paralysis, anyone who doesn't have a counter to you Gyarados somewhere isn't very good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:55:59 No.16259273 Report

Quoted By: >>16259321

>>16259146
good luck with that mediocre speed and that weakness to dragon, rock and ground.

I'll be here with my Solarbeams and Drought Fire Blasts

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:57:05 No.16259295 Report

Quoted By: >>16259489

>>16259146
In doubles at least, there's no comparison. Megazard Y with Heat Wave rapes teams. Megazard X might kill one or two things tops.

>>16259217
>It has a counter therefore it's shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:57:35 No.16259306 Report

Quoted By: >>16259489

>>16259217
>A Pokemon has a check meaning it is not good
>Sableye being able to do anything to Mewtwo Y

Enjoy using a ultra specific niche shitmon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:57:46 No.16259310 Report

Quoted By: >>16259388

>>16259139
A lot of Pokemon are outclassed at what they do, but that doesn't mean they're bad, they're just not the best.

M-Manetric is slightly faster (though at their level this is barely relevant) and hits harder, unless you count Life Orb, in which case Manetric can make up the difference with Lightning Rod (at least until it switches out again).

At any rate, it's sanic fast, hits hard, can intimidate stuff and has Volt Switch; there's just not reason to think it's bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 00:58:07 No.16259321 Report

Quoted By: >>16259442

>>16259273
Too bad AV Ttar is everywhere and shits all over Y-Zard, even if he has focus blast.

Running Solarbeam is a liability more than anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:00:49 No.16259388 Report

Quoted By: >>16259606

>>16259310
That's exactly what I'm saying though. Is it bad? No. But it's outclassed in just about every way and therefore there's no reason to use it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:00:49 No.16259389 Report

Quoted By: >>16279040

You have to admit Blastoise fills a pretty cool niche.

The ability to rapid spin as a bulky mon along with pseudo-STAB fighting and dark moves off of 135 base SpA can be devastating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:01:47 No.16259419 Report

Quoted By:

>TFW Baton Passing 2 Speed Boosts to Her across
>TFW getting a Moxie Boost and then Mega Evolving

Sometimes I wish I went against teams of 12 just so I can enjoy the sweep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:03:07 No.16259442 Report

Quoted By: >>16259641

>>16259321
>AV Tyranitar
Switch out. Kill it with something else. Destroy rest of team with Megazard Y.

>Solarbeam is a liability more than anything
How? Because every team has an auto weather-setter? Not this Gen. Also Team Preview exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:04:28 No.16259489 Report

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>>16259295
>implying I said they were shit
They're not bad mons, and they absolutely wreck shit without SE counters, but gemhead too OP

>>16259306
>implying psy/fighting moves do shit against dark/ghost types
>implying Mewtwo can get any fairy moves to SE sableye
>implying Mewtwo won't get OHKOed by foul play
toppest of (le)ls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:06:12 No.16259534 Report

Quoted By: >>16259641

>40% of Y2's Mega BST budget got put into physical attack
For what purpose
No doubt to keep him balanced, but this is absurd. He has psystrike to hit physical anyway, and it even does 75% the damage of boomtwo with a Y stone, which I considered slightly before realizing that exploding will never be viable again. It feels like a waste to not run him mixed, but he has nothing really good to go mixed with.

I guess there's drain punch for AVtar though, but I haven't done the calcs to see if it's worth it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:09:25 No.16259606 Report

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>>16259388
It's Jolteon with Intimidate and more bulk, it's fine.

And there's like three other good users of Intimidate in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:09:51 No.16259612 Report

Quoted By:

Abomasnow is basically made for Doubles, as is Ampharos to a lesser extent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:11:17 No.16259641 Report

Quoted By: >>16259686 >>16259710 >>16259875 >>16269616

>>16259442
Eh, a counter is a counter, you can always theorycraft around and say it doesn't matter as all 5 of my other pokemon will counter every single threat my sweeper has!

But the reality is that Ttar is abundant and can easily lock Y-Zard into a solar beam and wreck his shit, even non Special Defense invested ones.

People aren't running many auto-weather setters aside from Tyranitar who has been rampant from my experience, not saying that Y-Zard is unusable, but it's a huge threat that he has to contend with.
>>16259534
Same thing with X-Zard having 130 Sp. Attack and 130 Physical. I kind of wish they would have put more of that into bulk or speed.

Also even maximum Special Defense Tyranitar takes about ~2% more damage from Focus Blast than Drain Punch, and will always OHKO back. I don't see any point in using it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:12:14 No.16259660 Report

Quoted By: >>16260096 >>16260143

>>16258214
Does mega Ampharos really have a niche. Ampharos is one of my favourites but unless I build a trick room team I cant see how to use it. Especially when I could use mega Blastoise/Pinsir/Mawile for my mega aswell

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:13:28 No.16259686 Report

Quoted By: >>16259726

>>16259641
At least their secondary attack stats are usable. Mega Gardevoir gets a physical attack boost when it mega evolves

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:14:16 No.16259710 Report

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>>16259641
Fire is a great type to have special though, ESPECIALLY with the additions of Megaggron and Avalugg as well as the usual skarm, ferrothorn, etc. I run a mixed Xzard and I love it lots, since FB even 2HKOs Hippowdon sans lefties with just a neutral SpA nature and 100 EVs.

It doesn't look like Y2 can do anything with physical attack though, thanks to Psystrike.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:15:19 No.16259726 Report

Quoted By: >>16259795

>>16259686
A lot of megas get boosts in stats they don't use on evolution, like Khan and Cham getting 20 SpA. Y2 gets 40 whole points in Attack, which is the same as what he gets in SpA.
110 to 150
154 to 194

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:17:00 No.16259795 Report

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>>16259726
>Mega Gardevoir got 20 Attack instead of 20 Defense (or 20 more speed which have made her ridiculous)

Th-thanks Gamefreak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:20:40 No.16259875 Report

Quoted By: >>16259931 >>16259937 >>16269281

>>16259641
>maximum Special Defense Tyranitar takes about ~2% more damage from Focus Blast than Drain Punch
that's not my findings

252 SpA Mega Mewtwo Y Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Tyranitar: 340-404 (84.1 - 100%)

0 Atk Mega Mewtwo Y Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 284-336 (70.2 - 83.1%)

This isn't looking good

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:22:47 No.16259931 Report

Quoted By: >>16269281

>>16259875
I actually feel kinda stupid now since If orgot Sand
128 SpA Mega Mewtwo Y Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Tyranitar in Sand: 216-256 (53.4 - 63.3%)
Looks a bit more promising

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:23:04 No.16259937 Report

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>>16259875
My bad, I am completely retarded. I thought he was talking about Charizard Y.

Need to work on my reading comprehension.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:23:20 No.16259948 Report

Quoted By: >>16260068

Fuck it, I'm gonna get a MegAmpharos. I'll put some moves on it or something idk yet but it will work

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:26:35 No.16260040 Report

Quoted By: >>16260104 >>16260235 >>16260255

>>16258214
>Garchomp
>High Tier

Huh. I thought everyone hated Mega Garchomp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:27:42 No.16260068 Report

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>>16259948
It has Heal Bell make it a cleric.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:28:29 No.16260096 Report

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>>16259660

it's decently bulky, slow as shit, and has 165 special attack.

it's a monster in a trick room, or with passed speed boosts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:28:59 No.16260104 Report

Quoted By: >>16260235

>>16260040
seriously. I have yet to see a megachomp apart from the one i used to dick around with my friends, non-seirously..

Charles 5327-0905-9974 Emolga Electabuzz Zebstrika

Charles 5327-0905-9974 Emolga Electabuzz Zebstrika Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:29:09 No.16260110 Report

Quoted By: >>16271385

>>16258680
>M-Gyarados
>Better than M-Pinsir
>>16258214
>M-Pinsir not on the same level or higher than Mawile and Lucario

Charles 5327-0905-9974 Emolga Electabuzz Zebstrika

Charles 5327-0905-9974 Emolga Electabuzz Zebstrika Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:30:18 No.16260143 Report

Quoted By: >>16260177 >>16260191 >>16260196

>>16259660
A modest Ampharos will outspeed a timid Greninja by one point after one Agility. Use this information however you like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:31:36 No.16260177 Report

Quoted By: >>16260191 >>16260303

>>16260143
>45 base speed
dafuq. really?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:32:14 No.16260191 Report

Quoted By: >>16260226 >>16260279 >>16260296 >>16260397

>>16260143
It would need more to beat smogonbird though
>>16260177
agility doubles EV and IV and nature investment as well

Charles 5327-0905-9974 Emolga Electabuzz Zebstrika

Charles 5327-0905-9974 Emolga Electabuzz Zebstrika Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:32:29 No.16260196 Report

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>>16260143
obviously that's a Modest Ampharos with 252 ev's in speed vs. a Timid greninja with 252 ev's in speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:33:38 No.16260226 Report

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>>16260191
Actually, that would only be if smogonbird is running max speed which never happens

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:33:54 No.16260235 Report

Quoted By: >>16268139

>>16260040
>>16260104

mega garchomp isnt bad

it's just not a better garchomp, it's more like a mega salamence

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:34:34 No.16260255 Report

Quoted By: >>16260442

>>16260040
Mega Garchomp sucks compared to regular Garchomp. It takes away one of the best things about it (the wonky 102 base speed) in exchange for more attack/special attack and defence.

The extra special attack helps break through steels with a single fire blast rather than two, and its Earthquakes hit harder than life orb Garchomp's under sand. It's good, but its hard to justify using a mega slot on it when there are better ones, when Garchomp is just as good with a life orb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:35:15 No.16260279 Report

Quoted By: >>16260415

>>16260191
it resists its STABS and has great bulk, it could care less about outspeeding it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:35:47 No.16260296 Report

Quoted By: >>16260415

>>16260191
Can smogon burd even do anything against it?

It's OHKOed by T-Bolt and Ampharos resists both of its STABs.

Charles 5327-0905-9974 Emolga Electabuzz Zebstrika

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Charles 5327-0905-9974 Emolga Electabuzz Zebstrika Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:36:02 No.16260303 Report

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>>16260177
Yeah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:38:11 No.16260377 Report

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>Charizard X
>one of, if not the, best DD user in the game
>Can boost its awesome Attack and average Speed
>Carries two 120BP STAB moves that give almost completely unresisted coverage

>Charizard Y
>Won't ever run DD so can't boost its speed
>can't boost its SpA
>worse defenses/worse defensive typing
>hits harder when using Fire moves (and before factoring in X's DD boost) but struggles to OHKO anything with any amount of bulk
>weather only lasts five turns now

Y is good for Doubles where you can have both himself and something else that benefits from sun going at the same time, but in Singles he is totally outclassed by X. X can OHKO nearly the entire OU tier after a single DD.

Charles 5327-0905-9974 Emolga Electabuzz Zebstrika

Charles 5327-0905-9974 Emolga Electabuzz Zebstrika Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:38:43 No.16260397 Report

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>>16260191
M-Ampharos doesn't care about Talonflame. It resists everything in its movesets and it's defenses are pretty good considering what it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:39:06 No.16260415 Report

Quoted By: >>16260466

>>16260296
>>16260279
The idea was hitting it before it u-turns out or at least before taking a bit of damage from flare blitz, but smogonbird doesn't run max speed anyway, so disregard that

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:39:51 No.16260442 Report

Quoted By: >>16260486 >>16261248

>>16260255
>Mega Garchomp sucks compared to regular Garchomp.

Mega Garchomp is the best wallbreaker in the game.

It isn't as good at simple sweeping as Life Orb Garchomp but you can't say it "sucks" in comparison when it does a totally different thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:40:37 No.16260466 Report

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>>16260415
it does outspeed with prio BB, which does the same as blitz, barring the possibility of burn, but it resists both anyway. The uturn is a good point, wears it down but regardless. That's bretty friggin good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:41:08 No.16260486 Report

Quoted By: >>16261315

>>16260442
megagarchomp suck tho

shit pokemon implying anything with 90 speed will ever be relevant in priority land, fairy and ice everywhere

Ryan 3282-2113-3428 (Espurr, Drowzee, Xatu)

Ryan 3282-2113-3428 (Espurr, Drowzee, Xatu) Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:41:47 No.16260503 Report

Quoted By:

Anyone want to trade their Charizardite Y for my X?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 01:44:14 No.16260565 Report

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>>16258214
If you were to move Manectric to Somewhat Usable Tier and Abomasnow and Houndoom to Niche tier, this would be pretty much a perfect list

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 02:10:21 No.16261248 Report

Quoted By: >>16261268

>>16260442
do you think Mega Garchomp needs Swords Dance, or is his Attack high enough that he can go without it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 02:11:17 No.16261268 Report

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>>16261248
>asking retarded questions

what he needs is a rock polish

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 02:13:09 No.16261315 Report

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>>16260486
fairies are all shit and the only three or four that aren't are horrifically outsped by even megachomp while regular garchomp is beaten by priority as well, that's an entirely moot point.

It gives less of a shit about ice than regular garchomp as well since it can run fire blast so much better.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 02:20:00 No.16261553 Report

Quoted By: >>16267272 >>16271263

>Charizard X
>only "somewhat usable"
Is this a joke

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 02:26:02 No.16261730 Report

Quoted By:

>>16259139

Can jolteon use flamethrower?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 04:50:21 No.16265471 Report

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>>16258994
> Dick around in regular form
I don't know why that was so funny in my head

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 06:07:34 No.16267272 Report

Quoted By: >>16279209 >>16279238

>>16261553
This is real competitive Pokemon fighting not your make believe genwunner pandering.

Mewtwo rapes Charizard X a new asshole, without even needed to Mega.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 06:43:54 No.16268139 Report

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>>16260235
it should be noted that in doubles its what people expected it to be, a Better Garchomp

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 07:40:46 No.16269281 Report

Quoted By: >>16269332 >>16269646

>>16259875
>>16259931
I report back with very good findings!

0 Atk Mega Mewtwo Y Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Tyranitar: 404-476 (100 - 117.8%)

I used Close Combat as a substitute for Low Kick which Tar is just barely over the threshold for taking max damage from.

I just ensured his HP is maximum and then gave him the maximum Defense that would let him still be 1HKOd by Low Kick 100% of the time. Assumes a neutral nature like Sassy or Adamant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 07:43:45 No.16269320 Report

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I think Venusaur is bettern than "Usable Tier"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 07:45:02 No.16269332 Report

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>>16269281
Amusingly enough, LO Mewtwo does less damage there

0 Atk Life Orb Mewtwo Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Tyranitar: 400-473 (99 - 117%)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 08:07:53 No.16269616 Report

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>>16259641
Yzard kind of shits all over all the other auto-weather mons in doubles, mostly due to the fact whoever mega-evolves last gets their weather, and Yzard will always attack before them.

A single turn in the sand isn't going to kill you, but it will kill their (mega)Ttar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 08:10:01 No.16269646 Report

Quoted By: >>16269748

>>16269281
And I'm basically writing this down for my own reference, but Y2 is also faster which means a more effective Electro Ball from the event Mighty Mewtwo. Y2 gets maximum Electro Ball damage (150 - equal to Psystrike with STAB but hitting Special Defense) against anything at base 55 speed with a Gyro Ball set (which basically means Omastar) and anything at 33 or less with a perfect Speed (Bronzong, Cofagrigus, Slowbro and Slowking, physical Dusclops and physical Shuckle, and specially defensive Ferrothorn if special bulk doesn't outweigh physical bulk by too much; all of these are hit harder by Electro Ball than by Psystrike)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 08:12:18 No.16269675 Report

Quoted By: >>16270474

>Niche Tier
>Banette
T-This is good...right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 08:13:05 No.16269690 Report

Quoted By: >>16269698 >>16269741

M Scizor is pretty damn good.

Agility
Bullet Punch
Bug Bite
Pursuit/Super Power

Scizor can already take hits, but the extra bulk and then the additional attack makes M-Scizor p. good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 08:13:36 No.16269698 Report

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>>16269690
>Agility
>Bullet Punch

I sense a disturbance

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 08:15:36 No.16269720 Report

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>>16258214
>Mewtwo X/Y
>Uber Tier
Please, he hardly poses a threat to my team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 08:16:55 No.16269741 Report

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>>16269690

Why not swords dance over agility?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 08:17:42 No.16269748 Report

Quoted By: >>16269856

>>16269646
And LO Mewtwo gets all of those except Bronzong and Omastar even though Gyro Ball sets for Omastar don't exist anyway, he just learns it..
I only checked the 150 damage tier though, so there are probably other advantages elsewhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 08:28:02 No.16269856 Report

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>>16269748
Just responding to myself all night long~
Anyway Y2 gets to 120 base power Electro Ball on anything with base 50 and a 31 in speed and no EVs and a neutral nature, but that's less than Psytrike so it would probably only be better on Regirock and Sableye. But base 50 is a nice number to have that LO Mewtwo doesn't.

Speaking of Sableye, people who breed Spiritombs with imperfect speed (28 or less) on carts will also take a 150 Electro Ball.

Of course Electro Ball is shit and most of these calculations don't matter anyway, but I like the idea of a gimmick set where you have to memorize weights and speeds. Maybe that's just muh autism though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 09:37:33 No.16270474 Report

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>>16269675
Its not a very good Niche for the for most part.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 09:38:55 No.16270488 Report

Quoted By:

>>16258214
What a completely shit opinion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 09:43:22 No.16270532 Report

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Life orb gengar or mega gengar? Which one hits harder?

Also it's pretty gay that you opponent can switch out the turn you mega evolve

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 09:52:17 No.16270620 Report

Quoted By: >>16270809

>Implying Mega Blastoise is not one of the best megas

135 SPA 50% boosted Aura Sphere, Water Pulse, Dark Pulse and Dragon Pulse
78/120/115 balk

Also god tier spinner.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 10:05:30 No.16270809 Report

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>>16270620
>Aura Sphere
>google
>it can actually get it through breeding
Honestly I'm just as surprised as when I learned Froakie can get Toxic Spikes through breeding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 11:02:02 No.16271263 Report

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>>16261553
>tumbler

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 11:10:25 No.16271339 Report

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Imo

Pinsir from High to Top
Swap Zard-Y and X
Chomp from High to somewhat usable (being worse than normal chomp is a problem)
TTar from High to somewhat usable
Aero to shit (it is a complete waste of a mega stone)
Alakazam to Niche (literally defines niche- worse than normal zam in 90% of scenarios, but shines in those 10%)

After that, the list is pretty solid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 11:15:27 No.16271370 Report

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OP's list is so wrong, it's beyond repair. Everything would have to be switched around!

= Tue 26 Nov 2013 11:16:15 No.16271376 Report

Quoted By:

>>16259104
the ones you just called bad are godly under Trick Room

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 11:17:23 No.16271385 Report

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>>16260110
This.
It rekts shit easy. Hell STAB QA takes out Mega chicken easy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 11:17:23 No.16271387 Report

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>Absol above Abomasnow
just wait until VGC15

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 17:18:59 No.16274945 Report

Quoted By:

>>16258214
Mawile is God tier you pleb. It can beat any pokemon above it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 19:27:17 No.16277223 Report

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>>16258533
To bad it loses out on Moxie.

Faggot !GaybOYmIqU

Faggot !GaybOYmIqU Tue 26 Nov 2013 19:54:10 No.16277769 Report

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muh theory fights

muh you haven't Xed my Y team!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 21:01:39 No.16279040 Report

Quoted By: >>16279158

>>16259389
Is Dragon Pulse even worth running on it?

I'm assuming no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 21:08:23 No.16279158 Report

Quoted By: >>16279253

>>16279040
No, Dark Pulse isn't really worth it either. I would go so far to say that Water Pulse isn't really worth it either over Scald, I would personally run the following.

Scald
Rapid Spin
Ice Beam
Aura Sphere

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 21:11:46 No.16279209 Report

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>>16267272
>one of the most powerful Pokemon can beat X

I'm not sure what point are you trying to convey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 21:12:49 No.16279238 Report

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>>16267272
>real competitive

Exactly.
Y-zard became outdated in the very gen he was introduced
X-zard is one of the best DD user of the game. Git gud, bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 21:13:34 No.16279253 Report

Quoted By: >>16279316

>>16279158
I prefer confusion over burn. It's much more satisfying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 21:15:35 No.16279316 Report

Quoted By: >>16279336

>>16279253
The fact that switching negates it makes it pointless. Brn is permanent and completely cripples physical attackers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 21:16:22 No.16279336 Report

Quoted By: >>16279362

>>16279316
The fact that it forces a switch makes it useful, even if it disappears on said switch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 21:17:34 No.16279362 Report

Quoted By: >>16279395

>>16279336
Burn also forces switches, or makes it so they straight up have to sac a mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2013 21:19:14 No.16279395 Report

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>>16279362
If it's a physical mon they're guaranteed to switch, yeah, but a special mon might stay in.

Regardless, neither one is useless. I just prefer confusion over burn.

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