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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 01:30:50 No.16285118 View View Reply Original Report

Well /vp/, you convinced me. Smogon rules are stupid, and if you won't follow them neither will I.

I'm just going to use this guy right here, and you can't do shit about it.

What are you guys using?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 01:32:28 No.16285171 Report

Quoted By: >>16288317 >>16290313

blissey with minimize
smeargle with dark void

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 01:33:31 No.16285206 Report

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Whatever the fuck I feel like. Hell, I might join you; or I might use a Mega Blaziken or a double team Emolga or a moody Bidoof or an own tempo Lilligant or a Vaporeom or whatever.

Enjoy your Excadrill, brah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 01:33:52 No.16285217 Report

Quoted By: >>16285227

xerneas and blaziken

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 01:34:23 No.16285227 Report

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>>16285217
Can't use "Special pokemon" regardless

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 01:35:26 No.16285254 Report

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>>16285118
>fter a Swords Dance, Excadrill reaches a mammoth 738 Attack with a Jolly nature, or 810 with Adamant. Thanks to its excellent ability, Excadrill's Speed doubles in sandstorm, allowing it to outspeed every non-Choice Scarf user in the game. If using a Jolly nature, Excadrill hits 604 Speed, while with Adamant, it sits at an impressive 550 Speed, still enough to outspeed Deoxys-S, the fastest unboosted Pokemon in the game.

Holy fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 01:35:41 No.16285262 Report

Quoted By: >>16285336

>using an OU Pokemon
What a rebel

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 01:38:10 No.16285336 Report

Quoted By: >>16285362

>>16285262
Excadrill is uber bruh

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 01:38:25 No.16285341 Report

Quoted By: >>16285531

>Every Excadrill ever is holding a balloon

I mean I get it, but damn that's as smogon as anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 01:38:56 No.16285362 Report

Quoted By: >>16285659

>>16285336
not this gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 01:45:21 No.16285531 Report

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>>16285341
d-do they really
mine is holding an assault vest

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 01:49:59 No.16285659 Report

Quoted By: >>16285970 >>16290355

>>16285362
I'm using a sandstorm team on showdown then

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 01:57:04 No.16285827 Report

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>Always thought Excadrill was really cute
>The meta happens
At least he's OU now, supposedly. Normally I wouldn't care but I really like the testing potential of simulators and Smogon's OU is generally the best environment for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 02:02:48 No.16285970 Report

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>>16285659
>tfw once excadrill gets an SD opponent needs to stall til sandstorm is gone

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 03:38:00 No.16288317 Report

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>>16285171
>blissey with minimize
Getting destroyed, I bet.
Toxic stalled all day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 04:36:42 No.16289781 Report

Quoted By: >>16289889

>>16285118
Im using Swift Swim and Drizzle in the same team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 04:41:33 No.16289889 Report

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>>16289781
I don't really see this as an issue to faggot smogon now that weather isn't infinite.

Pete [0104-0499-3702]

Pete [0104-0499-3702] Wed 27 Nov 2013 04:44:25 No.16289946 Report

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Wobbuffet with Encore
Mega Gengar

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 04:51:06 No.16290106 Report

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>TFW no reason to use Sandslash now that Drill is OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 04:58:20 No.16290277 Report

Quoted By: >>16290454 >>16290456 >>16290512 >>16290757

People who bitch about evasion moves are the fucking worst. There are TONS of multi-hit or never-miss moves. Pick one. There are even a whole bunch of abilities now that boost their power AND change their type so there's no excuse for evasion clause to still exist. If you have a roll-out user, have a fucking swift user too. It's arbitrary and nonsensical to cut out an entire stat.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 04:59:42 No.16290313 Report

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>>16285171
>tfw Defense Curl Blissey

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:01:27 No.16290355 Report

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>>16285659
Sandstorm only lasts for 5/8 turns.

He's still very good but he's not as broken as he was before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:06:15 No.16290454 Report

Quoted By: >>16290757 >>16291304

>>16290277
Multi-hit moves have to have the first hit work, otherwise they miss. The only counter to evasion is to phaze. It would over centralize the meta-game, plus almost everything can learn Double Team. You could in theory have two max evasion Blisseys holding leftovers going against each other as each person's last Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:06:16 No.16290456 Report

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>>16290277

maximum bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:08:52 No.16290512 Report

Quoted By: >>16290757 >>16291388

>>16290277
No one wants to lift the evasion clause because it turns the game into a battle of luck. That's why OHKO moves are banned as well. It's just not fucking fun. The never miss moves are also weak as shit, and Aura Sphere is the only decent one outside of boosting abilities like Technician.

However, you can always play in Ubers if you like Double Team that much.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:09:19 No.16290521 Report

Quoted By: >>16290931

Choice band Archeops
noone can tell me no

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:20:08 No.16290757 Report

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>>16290277

>>16290512
>>16290454
These. Evasion is banned because it isn't fun for a vast majority of people. If you want to use it on WiFi or something, that's fine, but it's unreliable as hell and not even that good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:27:29 No.16290931 Report

Quoted By: >>16290982

>>16290521
this was banned?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:29:14 No.16290973 Report

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I run a Rain team without a Politoed because I love Zapdos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:29:36 No.16290982 Report

Quoted By: >>16291477

>>16290931
Archeops has been UU for ages. Anon is just silly.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:35:16 No.16291109 Report

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I'm using Bisharp and Steelix. Total bros, these guys. Couldn't bear to replace them on my team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:36:57 No.16291144 Report

Quoted By: >>16291223

What's the point of Choice items? Why sacrifice three moves for a stat boost?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:40:56 No.16291223 Report

Quoted By: >>16291555

>>16291144

Mainly used on very fast things/things with a priority move to send it in and wipe something out before the can expect it. Basically, it's a huge boost with no initial setup, and if you do it right (remove fairies/steels from the enemy team for say a Draco Meteor Specs) you can sweep quickly and easily late game.

On Scarf users, it's to make something outspeed what it normally wouldn't, obviously. This can trick people into leaving something in that you want dead, since they expect to easily outspeed, when you then outspeed them and possibly ohko if you're smart.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:44:16 No.16291304 Report

Quoted By: >>16291477

>>16290454
How can Smogon justify banning evasion in order to not decentralize the meta when they literally judge every non-uber by whether then can put up or remove sneaky pebbles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:49:31 No.16291388 Report

Quoted By: >>16291664

>>16290512
>it turns the game into a battle of luck
Maybe I'm just dumb or something, but I feel that strats built around boosing evasion and such a high risk/high reward playstyle since even with evasion boosts the RNG can decide to fuck you over anyway. I see it as on a similar level to sets built around maximising crit chance.
I think even if the evasion clause was lifted it probably wouldn't be as popular as people would expect it to be because there are so many more reliable sets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:52:51 No.16291457 Report

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If you don't want to follow smogons rules then just play on the actual cartridge where they are not present aside from legendaries like Mewtwo or something.

I don't like smogon either because I just want to use whatever and want my opponent to do the same, but all you have to do is just play on the actual game. That's how simple it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:53:52 No.16291477 Report

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>>16291304
Spinners are worth less than they were before, because of the Defog buff.

>>16290982
RU actually, and it isn't getting any better in Gen 6.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:57:12 No.16291555 Report

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>>16291223
Oh, that's actually pretty good. Thanks.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:59:58 No.16291623 Report

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Banette
Pidgeot
Mega Aerodactyl
Drifblim

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 06:01:49 No.16291664 Report

Quoted By: >>16291769

>>16291388
I think the point is kind of that the RNG *can* still decide to fuck you over when you run evasion, but if it doesn't, there's no way you're going to lose. Evasion essentially turns the battle into a coin flip. People don't like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 06:06:52 No.16291769 Report

Quoted By: >>16291865

>>16291664
But the same thing can happen if something stays asleep a turn too long, or gets frozen, or hits itself from confusion, or scores a lucky crit.
Maybe there's something I'm not seeing but I never understood the hate for evasion boosting. It's just another RNG alteration for or against you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 06:12:17 No.16291865 Report

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>>16291769
Those things are all rare occurrences that can't really be accounted for or, in general, strategezied around. And even when they do decide to go off, the match can still be won. At worst you lost one pokemon.

Using evasion against a team not specifically built to counter it always ends in one of two ways
>RNG doesn't decide to fuck you over and you rape your opponent
>RNG decides to fuck you over and your opponent rapes you
The same can't really be said of any of those other things.

This is all, of course, assuming that you're playing singles. In doubles, you're totally right. And evasion isn't an issue there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 06:18:23 No.16291980 Report

Quoted By: >>16292041

Bring it, bitch.

Vaporeon
Gengar
M-Dactyl
Forretress
Rotom-H
Sigilyph

Never have any trouble using my favoritos

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 06:21:13 No.16292041 Report

Quoted By: >>16292191 >>16292258

>>16291980
>My favorites include Vaporeon, Gengar, Forretress, and Rotom
>Never have any trouble using my favoritos
Hmm, I wonder why...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 06:28:29 No.16292191 Report

Quoted By: >>16292223

>>16292041
Hey I also switch in Arcanine, Reuniclus, Lapras, Snorlax and M-Pinsir

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 06:29:56 No.16292223 Report

Quoted By: >>16292258

>>16292191
>Reuniclus
>M-Pinsir
My point stands.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 06:31:47 No.16292258 Report

Quoted By: >>16292301

>>16292041
>>16292223
Do you just hate any pokemon that has potential to be good, just because they're good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 06:33:33 No.16292301 Report

Quoted By: >>16292394 >>16292422

>>16292258
No. I'm not saying that at all.

I'm saying there's no point in bragging about doing well with your favorites and not listening to smogon when your favorites actually happen to be smogon-approved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 06:36:54 No.16292394 Report

Quoted By: >>16292478

>>16292301
>You can't say you do well with a Pokemon if Smogon says they're good

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 06:38:09 No.16292422 Report

Quoted By: >>16292478

>>16292301
>using Aerodactyl
>as your Mega
>Smogon approved

>Arcanine
>Fucking LAPRAS
>Smogon approved

no, just no

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 06:38:44 No.16292437 Report

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I used a moody team with a little Xerneas thrown in. Get fucked smogonfags, my strat is legit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 06:40:25 No.16292478 Report

Quoted By: >>16292894

>>16292394
Again, not what I'm saying. This thread is about "fuck smogon" and using shit they don't like. You're using a bunch of shit they really like.

>>16292422
Not all of them are smogon approved. About half. The guy was more or less saying, "Fuck smogon, I win with my favorites." but when half of your favorites are actually really good, that's not really an accomplishment, or a "fuck you" to smogon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2013 07:02:15 No.16292894 Report

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>>16292478
So your favorite pokemon shouldn't be used, because they might have competitive value to smogon? Why do people like you try so hard to fight this metagame? Is it just to be different?

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