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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 13:36:22 No.16372987 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>16377000 >>16377088 >>16378259 >>16378325 >>16379829 >>16382461 >>16383352 >>16385640

Anyone care to critique my team?
I encourage you to post whatever teams you've been working on too to be rated/critiqued.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 13:49:57 No.16373122 Report

Quoted By: >>16386342

I just realised I have Thunder on Zapdos instead of thunder wave. So disregard that.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:34:13 No.16376933 Report

Quoted By: >>16376953 >>16377020 >>16377060 >>16377161 >>16377942 >>16384239

this is but a gimmick team

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:35:46 No.16376953 Report

Quoted By: >>16376996

>>16376933
put a flying gem on hawlucha dumbass

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:38:59 No.16376996 Report

Quoted By: >>16389225

>>16376953
Flying Gem doesn't exist yet you goose

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:39:23 No.16377000 Report

Quoted By: >>16377117 >>16378758

>>16372987
Posting again. I used Lopunny's switcharoo on a Rotom-W, and I was called a fucker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:40:54 No.16377020 Report

Quoted By: >>16377114

>>16376933
>Talonflame
>Acrobatics
>Life Orb

what are you doing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:43:41 No.16377060 Report

Quoted By: >>16377114

>>16376933

Unburden doesnt work unless you lose an item, you'd be better off with limber if you're running no item.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:44:08 No.16377070 Report

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Houndoom @ Houndoominite
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Fire Blast
- Nasty Plot
- Destiny Bond

Forretress @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 Atk
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Stealth Rock
- Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Gyro Ball

Aegislash @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- King's Shield
- Swords Dance
- Sacred Sword
- Shadow Sneak

Diggersby @ Choice Band
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Quick Attack
- U-turn
- Return

Rotom-Wash @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 172 Def / 200 HP / 4 SAtk / 132 Spd
Bold Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Volt Switch
- Will-O-Wisp
- Rest

Florges @ Leftovers
Ability: Flower Veil
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
Calm Nature
- Moonblast
- Wish
- Protect
- Aromatherapy

What do you think of my team /vp/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:45:06 No.16377088 Report

Quoted By: >>16377124

>>16372987
What site has this? I want to put my team up to see if I can get some suggestions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:46:29 No.16377114 Report

Quoted By: >>16377152 >>16377165

>>16377020
i'm not really sure, what would you suggest?

>>16377060
how about Mold Breaker?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:46:42 No.16377117 Report

Quoted By: >>16377175

>>16377000

Why dizzy punch on kek?

You're getting STAB on everything, you don't need a normal stab.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:47:04 No.16377124 Report

Quoted By: >>16377157

>>16377088
>/vp/
>not knowing showdown
u wot

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:48:31 No.16377152 Report

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>>16377114

Mold breaker is meh on hawlucha. About all you will be preventing is sturdy.

If you still want unburden you could go red card/air balloon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:49:02 No.16377157 Report

Quoted By:

>>16377124
Sorry, I'm new here. I never wandered too far from /v/ until recently.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:49:20 No.16377161 Report

Quoted By: >>16377274

>>16376933
>Togekiss with hustle

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:49:47 No.16377165 Report

Quoted By:

>>16377114
Mold Breaker is best on set up sweepers who can Edgequake everything and ignore Unaware.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:50:16 No.16377175 Report

Quoted By: >>16377215 >>16377256

>>16377117
Honestly I didn't know what move to put in its place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:52:35 No.16377215 Report

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>>16377175
Rock Slide or Aerial Ace would seem like better choices for a Dizzy Punch replacement

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:53:27 No.16377229 Report

Quoted By: >>16377631

Is this thread still alive? In-game team: want to keep at least rotom, and I'm breeding for an infiltrator crobat since it's a beast for stalling setuppers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:54:44 No.16377256 Report

Quoted By: >>16378335

>>16377175

Ice punch looks pretty good to me.

Also, why the goofy EVs? just max HP.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:56:01 No.16377274 Report

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>>16377161
he said gimmick team you illiterate schmuck

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:57:23 No.16377290 Report

Quoted By: >>16377333 >>16377832 >>16379442

>inb4 OU the team

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 18:59:24 No.16377333 Report

Quoted By: >>16377347 >>16377370 >>16377398

>>16377290
Fuck the inb4. You're using smogon: the team you fag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:00:07 No.16377347 Report

Quoted By: >>16377428

>>16377333
Maybe because those are the best pokemon available? I don't care if Smogon says they're good, I use them because they are good, period.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:00:58 No.16377370 Report

Quoted By:

>>16377333
Trips confirms.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:02:32 No.16377398 Report

Quoted By:

>>16377333
Damn. Dubs then trips? You are a lucky anon, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:03:46 No.16377428 Report

Quoted By:

>>16377347

i bet u take steroids too huh

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:14:05 No.16377631 Report

Quoted By: >>16377890 >>16378205

>>16377229

Oh god where do i even begin.

I'm not sure what Gastro acid will do for you on galvantula, is there a reason for that? just go with energy ball/giga drain. He also needs an item, go with life orb, wise glasses, or focus sash if you really want sticky web out.

as for areo
>dragon moves on a nondragon pokemon

what the fuck are you doing? Taunt or sneaky stones. give him some utility.

Rotom looks pretty gud aside from hex. Get rid of hex. Even after the buff, hex isnt worth it unless you're getting stab off of it. Try pain split for some situational recovery, shadow ball for some coverage, or thunder wave if you just wanna be a jerk.

Volcarona needs leftovers
and replace flamethrower with fiery dance
Id also take roost over hurricane, you dont have a spinner too keep the ground rock free.

genjinja is okay, i guess.

Gengar doesnt need all that coverage, replace psychic with substitute. fairy+ghost is perfect neutral coverage. If you really want to showcase megagar's bullshti, you'd run a set with perish song.

All in all, your team is stupidly offensive, has no bulky defensive core, and will crack as soon as your opponent sets up at all.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:17:09 No.16377687 Report

Quoted By: >>16377856

Not sure how balanced or effective my team is, but here it is:

Dragalge (M) @ Dragon Fang
Ability: Poison Touch
Level: 85
EVs: 64 HP / 12 Atk / 8 Def / 4 SAtk
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 19 SDef / 28 Spd
- Dragon Pulse
- Sludge Bomb
- Thunderbolt
- Draco Meteor

Kangaskhan Jap name (Kangaskhan) @ Kangaskhanite
Ability: Scrappy
Level: 85
EVs: 120 HP / 76 Atk / 20 Def / 20 SAtk
Adamant Nature
IVs: 14 SDef / 13 Spd
- Crunch
- Shadow Claw
- Outrage
- Facade

Greninja (M) @ Mystic Water
Ability: Torrent
Level: 93
EVs: 68 Atk / 188 Def
Hasty Nature
IVs: 28 HP / 30 SAtk / 21 SDef / 29 Spd
- Extrasensory
- Scald
- U-turn
- Dark Pulse

Gourgeist (F) @ Miracle Seed
Ability: Pickup
EVs: 64 Atk / 72 SAtk / 20 SDef / 132 Spd
Gentle Nature
IVs: 20 HP / 24 Def
- Confuse Ray
- Seed Bomb
- Rock Slide
- Shadow Ball

Gardevoir (F) @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 36 Atk / 44 Def / 28 SAtk / 16 Spd
Docile Nature
IVs: 28 HP / 19 SDef
- Dream Eater
- Energy Ball
- Moonblast
- Hypnosis

Blaziken (M) @ Black Belt
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 112 Atk / 32 SAtk / 16 SDef / 132 Spd
Calm Nature
IVs: 16 HP / 13 Def
- Brick Break
- Flamethrower
- Brave Bird
- Dig

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:21:15 No.16377785 Report

Quoted By: >>16377838

>muh sand team that still works wonders in Gen 6

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:22:56 No.16377832 Report

Quoted By:

>>16377290
Volt Switch over Discharge. The para is nice, but it can conflict with Will-O-Wisp, and the momentum that Volt Switch gives you is fantastic. Also, you need an attacking move on that Ferrothorn - T-Wave isn't enough, you're still taunt bait at best and set-up bait at worst. You need at least Gyro Ball, but I personally run both Power Whip and Gyro Ball - however, you have no one else to use Stealth Rocks so Gyro by itself should be fine. On Noivern, I'd recommend U-Turn over Boomburst or Air Slash and Draco Meteor over Dragon Pulse. Noivern isn't the strongest thing alive, so the higher BP from Draco Meteor helps a lot. Meanwhile, U-Turn works great with Draco - just Draco and switch - and gives you momentum.

Overall though, you're team looks decent, although it is a bit bland.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:22:59 No.16377838 Report

Quoted By: >>16386161

>>16377785
Forgot pic, fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:24:02 No.16377856 Report

Quoted By: >>16377928

>>16377687
Oh god your new is showing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:25:43 No.16377890 Report

Quoted By: >>16377975 >>16377997

>>16377631
>dissing gastro acid
It wrecks poison heal Gliscor. It cripples MKan. Two incredibly common Pokemon in wifi battles. Situational? Maybe. More situational than energy ball would be? Not with the current wifi meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:27:23 No.16377928 Report

Quoted By: >>16378011

>>16377856
That's why I was hoping for some constructive feedback.

Seems /vp/ is no different from /vg/.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:27:50 No.16377942 Report

Quoted By: >>16377970

>>16376933
>Talonflame with Life Orb and Acrobatics, and with Flame Body
>Hawlucha without Flying Gem
>Togekiss with Hustle
>Crobat with Inner Focus

Needs some work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:29:10 No.16377970 Report

Quoted By:

>>16377942
Scratch that bit about Flying Gem if you're not playing Pokebank, but the rest of my post still applies. And you should run Limber on Hawlucha if you don't have an item.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:29:16 No.16377975 Report

Quoted By: >>16378003

>>16377890
So here's a sun team I've been using. It's pretty fun. Also, yes, I know Talonflame rapes my entire team, but I'm not sure what to do. I'm thinking of replacing someone with Tyrantrum or Rhyperior, but I'm not sure yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:30:16 No.16377997 Report

Quoted By: >>16378124

>>16377890

yeah, cripples them for a single turn while they kill you and then switch out, because galvantula takes hits like a wet paper bag.

it's worthless in singles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:30:27 No.16378003 Report

Quoted By:

>>16377975
Shit, didn't mean to quote.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:30:48 No.16378011 Report

Quoted By: >>16378167

>>16377928
Considering the EVs, IVs and natures, I'm assuming that's an in-game team. This thread is for competitive teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:35:20 No.16378120 Report

Quoted By: >>16378144 >>16378271

This team is based around Mega Pinsir, so that's the only thing I'm not willing to replace.

Pinsir @ Pinsirite
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Quick Attack
- Return
- Earthquake

Excadrill @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 172 HP / 60 Atk / 24 Spd / 252 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake
- Swords Dance
- Substitute

Gengar @ Black Sludge
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
IVs: 30 Atk / 30 SAtk
- Substitute
- Disable
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast

Galvantula @ Focus Sash
Ability: Compound Eyes
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Sticky Web
- Thunder
- Bug Buzz
- Energy Ball

Goodra @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Gooey
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Dragon Pulse
- Sludge Wave
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam

Tyrantrum @ Life Orb
Ability: Strong Jaw
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Fire Fang
- Dragon Claw
- Stealth Rock

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:35:45 No.16378124 Report

Quoted By: >>16378180

>>16377997
0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Galvantula: 156-184 (55.5 - 65.4%)

252 Atk Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Galvantula: 246-289 (87.5 - 102.8%)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:36:45 No.16378144 Report

Quoted By: >>16378271

>>16378120
I have no idea why Gengar has those IVs, I'm gonna go fix them. Any other comments, though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:37:29 No.16378167 Report

Quoted By: >>16378185

>>16378011
Oh, shoot. Sorry. Yeah, that's... that's my... in-game... team. Shit. Ignore me, then.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:37:52 No.16378178 Report

Quoted By: >>16378277

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:37:58 No.16378180 Report

Quoted By:

>>16378124

yep, 2HKOed by both.

worthless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:38:23 No.16378185 Report

Quoted By:

>>16378167
S'okay. We all make mistakes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:39:16 No.16378205 Report

Quoted By:

>>16377631
Gastro acid is for speed boost and other annoying abilities.

For Aerodactyl: I wanted as more coverage as possible, not that bad but not good either, too lazy to breed another perfect aero with breeding moves.

Hex on rotom is good since I can just spam it on a burnt opponent.

Hurricane is for coverage and because of the rain.

Greninja is the one that disappoints me most, I should have made it special.

And I'm personally bored with using mega-gengar.

I was only looking for some tips on pokémon, not movepools or roles.
What's your opinion on infiltrator crobat though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:41:30 No.16378256 Report

Quoted By:

This is my RU/LU Team. Works very well. Volt Absorb is for mind games

Steelix (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Dragon Tail
- Stealth Rock

Magmortar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Vital Spirit
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Flamethrower
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Blast
- Protect

Gardevoir (F) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Trace
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Trick

Lanturn (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 40 HP / 252 Def / 216 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Aqua Ring
- Discharge
- Toxic
- Scald

Hitmonchan (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Iron Fist
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Drain Punch
- Ice Punch
- Thunder Punch
- Mach Punch

Gallade (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Drain Punch
- Psycho Cut
- Bulk Up
- Shadow Sneak

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:41:38 No.16378259 Report

Quoted By: >>16383445

>>16372987
Wish and roost seems redundant, and politoed is out of place. but overall nice team

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:42:06 No.16378271 Report

Quoted By:

>>16378144
You probably had something like HP Fire and changed it

>>16378120
On the Excadrill set, I'd run Assault Vest and EQ / Shadow Claw / Rock Slide / Rapid Spin. I don't understand what Scarf Goodra is trying to do to be honest. Goodra isn't that fast, even with a Scarf. Scarf Chomp is always a good option if you want a Scarf Dragon, as is Salamence. Alternatively, you could run a different item on Goodra. I don't know though, I've never seen it so I can't really knock it. SR and DD on Tyrantrum shouldn't be together. You either sweep or support. Not both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:42:28 No.16378277 Report

Quoted By: >>16378342

>>16378178
Replace Life Orb on Dragonite with either Leftovers or Weakness Policy.

Optional: Replace Dragon Claw on Dragonite with Outrage. Extra power vs ability to switch moves and no confusion. Your choice.

Replace Extreme Speed on Dragonite with either Fire Punch or Earthquake.

Replace Swarm on Volcarona with Flame Body.

Replace Psychic on Starmie with Thunderbolt.

Replace Signal Beam on Jolteon with Shadow Ball.

Replace Thunder Wave on Jolteon with Thunderbolt.

Replace Modest nature on Jolteon with Timid nature.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:45:20 No.16378325 Report

Quoted By: >>16383445

>>16372987
For Meowstic I'd switch the 252 speed evs to def and/or sdef since it has prankster anyway...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:45:45 No.16378335 Report

Quoted By:

>>16377256
I went by another anons EV spread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:46:23 No.16378342 Report

Quoted By: >>16382981

>>16378277
Thanks for the feedback
Is there any particular reason why fire punch > extreme speed?

Havis !!mEv0Hx4Cxqu

Havis !!mEv0Hx4Cxqu Sat 30 Nov 2013 19:48:35 No.16378386 Report

Quoted By:

6 Arceus with Judgemebt and 2 drake ies with Hoper Giga Focer blast attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:07:33 No.16378758 Report

Quoted By: >>16378864

>>16377000
Here

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/pokebankoubeta-66391956

I'm not saying I'm a fantastic player but he wasn't very good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:12:06 No.16378864 Report

Quoted By:

>>16378758
>Switching Torterra in on Gyarados
>Physical Gengar
>Using Fire Punch on Gyarados
>Deoxys@Balloon

Wow.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:18:48 No.16379057 Report

Quoted By: >>16379226 >>16379375

I'm pretty new to competitive pokemon, would very much like some critique and recommendations for changes.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:19:59 No.16379077 Report

Quoted By:

I've played around with a few teams now, but I've probably seen the most success with this one. I've found Celebi and Lucario to work EXTREMELY well together as a baton passing/receiving duo.

The main thing I'm debating now is hold items, i.e. Is the salac berry on Celebi worth it to get a speed boost when I baton pass his nasty plots to Manaphy or Lucario? I feel it is, but I find it a lot easier to keep him healthy when he had leftovers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:26:42 No.16379226 Report

Quoted By: >>16379438

>>16379057
Replace mystic water.
Replace Dragon claw with Outrage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:32:48 No.16379375 Report

Quoted By: >>16379438

>>16379057
Looks like a good team to me. The only recommendation I could make would be to swap out power whip for a status move like thunder wave or protect on ferrothorn. He's there for support, not inflicting damage, and the only type grass covers for steel is water.

LazilyOU !!967O2IfbKDo

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LazilyOU !!967O2IfbKDo Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:33:11 No.16379390 Report

Quoted By: >>16386381

Well here's my team I've done reasonably well with. The slots I've been least satisfied with are Ageislash (the novelty of special sword has worn off a bit) and Ferrothorn (who's fine but is just sort of... there).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:35:44 No.16379438 Report

Quoted By:

>>16379226
>>16379375
Thanks, any more?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:35:53 No.16379442 Report

Quoted By: >>16379500 >>16379525

>>16377290
No sucker punch on kangaskhan 4/10 see me after class

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:39:05 No.16379500 Report

Quoted By: >>16379585 >>16379697

>>16379442
>crobat vs mega-khan
>keeps spamming sucker punch
>I take my time roosting and toxic it
>all it does is doing sucker punch until it has 3%hp
>it doesn't use sucker punch as I end it with brave bird

mindplays

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:40:36 No.16379525 Report

Quoted By: >>16379557

>>16379442
Sucker Punch kanga gets walled by Sub-Gengar (or any ghost type with levitate), not to mention Skarmory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:42:26 No.16379557 Report

Quoted By: >>16379585

>>16379525
And Crunch Kanga gets pro-disabled by Gengar. You're point? Sucker Punch is better in most situations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:43:52 No.16379585 Report

Quoted By: >>16379725

>>16379557
Gengar can't survive a crunch to disable it.

Also, if the opponent realizes you have sucker punch, they'll kill time a la >>16379500

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:49:33 No.16379697 Report

Quoted By:

>>16379500
>not just clicking return to kill Crobat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:50:46 No.16379725 Report

Quoted By: >>16379771

>>16379585
"What is Protect" - You

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:51:10 No.16379737 Report

Quoted By: >>16379772 >>16379856

Gengar (M) @ Gengarite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
IVs: 30 Def / 30 SAtk / 30 SDef / 30 Spd
- Shadow Ball
- Sludge Wave
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt

Togekiss @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
Calm Nature
- Air Slash
- Roost
- Thunder Wave
- Aura Sphere

Hydreigon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Dragon Pulse
- Dark Pulse
- Flash Cannon
- Fire Blast

Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Def
Bold Nature
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Thunder Wave
- Pain Split

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Rock Polish
- U-turn

Aegislash @ Leftovers
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Shadow Sneak
- King's Shield
- Sacred Sword

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:52:40 No.16379771 Report

Quoted By: >>16379827

>>16379725
Something that can be used to disable sucker punch as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:52:49 No.16379772 Report

Quoted By: >>16379822

>>16379737
Life Orb Gengar hits harder, unless you really need the speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:54:19 No.16379822 Report

Quoted By: >>16379856 >>16379865 >>16379928

>>16379772
Speed isnt really a necessity, but what should be my mega?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:54:27 No.16379827 Report

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>>16379771
Sort of the point. If Crunch is just there over sucker punch to deal with Gengar, which it doesn't do anyway, why not run the move that's better for non-gengar in the first place?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:54:35 No.16379829 Report

Quoted By: >>16383445

>>16372987
What does Dusclops accomplish exactly? Just something generally bulky? Your team kind of feels like it needs an extra Ground resist, Xatu can only pull its weight for so long I'd suggest trying Super Gourgeist or Small Gourgeist with the same set, if you wish. Former has larger bulk but latter is faster and makes use of Pain Split better. It doesn't have as comparable bulk but it's got a few nice resistances. Ice weakness is a bit of an issue since the only pokemon that resists it is 'toed but it's not too hard to work around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:55:49 No.16379856 Report

Quoted By: >>16379891

>>16379737
M-gengar is really best used for Perish trapping shenanigans, you're better off with LO gengar if you just want beeg dommage.

Rotom-W really is better off with Will-o-wisp to deal with physical threats.

Most Aegislash are run special now - I don't know why myself.

>>16379822
You can never go wrong with Kanga, it fits on any team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:56:01 No.16379865 Report

Quoted By: >>16379891

>>16379822
You don't need a mega, but I've had success with Sucker Punch Absol since it fills a unique niche role. Set it as a lead against entry hazards and SD first turn for free.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:57:12 No.16379891 Report

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>>16379865
>>16379856
Thanks for the advice

LazilyOU !!967O2IfbKDo

LazilyOU !!967O2IfbKDo Sat 30 Nov 2013 20:59:16 No.16379928 Report

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>>16379822

You shouldn't treat megas as these strict upgrades you absolutely need to have, treat them like any other pokemon based on their merit. Don't ask "What Mega I should use?" but "Is there a Mega my team would really like to use?".

That said, M-Kangaskhan. Because every team really likes a free win or two.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 21:03:24 No.16380038 Report

Quoted By: >>16380585 >>16391948

So I am making a Pangoro and was wondering on this movest

Scrappy
Poison Jab
Parting Shot
Crunch
BodySlam/Sky Uppercut

Which would be more useful? BS of SU?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 21:04:12 No.16380057 Report

Quoted By: >>16380175

I've done pretty good with this team.

LazilyOU !!967O2IfbKDo

LazilyOU !!967O2IfbKDo Sat 30 Nov 2013 21:09:45 No.16380175 Report

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>>16380057

1. The Ev spread on Fungus is weird. Are you avoiding some critical 2/OHKO with it?
2. Rocky Helmet on Nidoqueen? Probably should be LO.
3. You're pretty damn weak to EQ.
4. M-Khan with Sucker Punch literally sweeps your team if he gets a PUP.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 21:12:02 No.16380226 Report

Quoted By: >>16380354 >>16380382 >>16380657

My first in game team with XY, All bro-tier mons for me so I enjoy using them.
so far it hasn't run into any serious issues but I feel like it has more potential

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 21:17:08 No.16380354 Report

Quoted By: >>16380906

>>16380226
Scizor does better with a CB set with Superpower.

You can't actually have a mega on your team, you have to have regular Charizard and then mega-evo it in battle. Also, CharizardY is better.

Greninja does better with LO, and consider making it mixed.

And what's with the EV spreads on Charizard and Gliscor?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 21:17:58 No.16380382 Report

Quoted By:

>>16380226
noticed gardy accidentally still had some spatk EVs, shes pure defensive
heres fixed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 21:26:32 No.16380585 Report

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>>16380038

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 21:29:25 No.16380657 Report

Quoted By: >>16380906

>>16380226
Looks nice but just some couple of things. Because of technician scizor prefers pursuit over night slash, and if they switch you can hit them stronger than night slash even. Instead of brick break try using u turn or bug bite. Choice specs pretty much kills the meaning of protean on greninja, try another item like expert belt, focus sash, or life orb.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 21:37:53 No.16380906 Report

Quoted By: >>16381135

>>16380354
Oh how I wish I had access to superpower...
brick break is it for fighting coverage atm
I've never been a fan of banded scizor, I feel like people don't expect him to set up as much as they expect the CB set. I prefer using the choice item on greninja simply because he's frail and usually ends up wanting to switch out after a kill. Where as scizor is bulkier and capable of sweeping. Scizor is also a big part of the core of this team so I don't want him locked in as switching him out later can be a problem.

Charizard X fills the same niche that salamence used to fill in a similar team I used in gen4, A mixed DD sweeper with great coverage and the addition of STAB overheat, (which is the reason for the spread). After one DD hes faster than most things that like to revenge him and Is virtually unwallable. Also his typing is essential to cover scizor's weakness, which is why i try to mega ASAP. Y simply has no place in this team, Id sooner switch to haxorus and pick up another fire type.

LO greninja is great and I love being able to utilize his coverage and portean ability to the fullest, however the recoil damage usually makes him a single shot glass cannon that gets one good oppurtunity at a sweep before hes KOd. I like mixed sets but greninjas physical movepool doesn't impress me as much. I may try an expert belt or sash.

The odd spreads are to put them at specific speed tiers

>>16380657
I've used pursuit in that slot in the past and I think im gonna try it again. I just hate that it loses technician bonus on a switching mon. and that despite technician its base damage is still kinda weak for what I use it on, things like aegislash. fighting move is absolutely necessary for coverage, otherwise hes walled by steels as well as other common threats in addition to his usual counters. I may try some of your suggestions for greninja however.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 21:39:40 No.16380948 Report

Quoted By: >>16381166 >>16382273

This has been working pretty well for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 21:41:13 No.16380978 Report

Quoted By: >>16383537 >>16383671

So my first team is finally bred, it's a Trick Room team. About to start EV training, but just want some advice on the EV spreads I chose. Movesets are pretty much set in stone through testing on Showington Down, only contentious one is on Trevenant.

The team is basically designed to hit as hard as it can under Trick Room, & have enough bulk on my setters to set it up when it finishes. Aware of the Bug/Dark/Ghost weakness but it honestly hasn't been much of an issue in testing. Usually I'd put Life Orb on Slowbro too, but already got it on Reuniclus so put it on a Regenerator (I had 2 teams that I was testing, & they were on separate one. This team is a mix of the two).

Advice/tips/critique/hate/faggotry?

http://pastebin.com/YyP5QsHT

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 21:44:04 No.16381054 Report

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This team's alright. Peaked 2084 on ladder but I've since lost around 40 rank due to people using more Water/Fairies/MKanga.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 21:46:37 No.16381117 Report

Quoted By: >>16387786

My team, I don't really care about SR or Web since none of my bros can run them well. Any suggestions for Togekiss and Goora EV spread? I don't even know how much SpA I really need on Goodra at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 21:47:33 No.16381135 Report

Quoted By: >>16381197

>>16380906
>Running Protean with choice specs
No, don't. Greninja is good because it gets amazing stab coverage, and is hard to counter. If you lock yourself into a move, it's easy to switch in and wall. Use a life orb, it isn't as strong but you can hit things that try and switch in and try to revenge kill it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 21:48:43 No.16381166 Report

Quoted By: >>16381284

>>16380948
Im interested to know how that aegislash plays, seems to me it would be walled by some bulkier stallers, and it looks like supreme taunt bait. Gliscor for example would come in on that set, graciously accepting your toxic and taunting you or OHKOing with EQ.
I like the espeon, although it is also somewhat weak to taunt.
Medicham is awesome, giving him priorty as well is kinda insane. one move I would consider using is focus punch. If you can predict a switch and use focus punch on top of that simply insane attack stat, only ghosts wouldnt care about that damage. I used this in 4th gen as an anti-metagame tactic and it was so satisfying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 21:50:27 No.16381197 Report

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>>16381135
I wanna keep life orb on scizor unfortunately. Im thinking about expert belt however. sucks is just spent the bp on spec though....

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 21:54:23 No.16381284 Report

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>>16381166
People don't tend to switch to hard checks on smogdown. I dunno what else to say, he causes some forfeits but usually just eats it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 21:57:57 No.16381378 Report

Quoted By: >>16382217

Not a team, but I've been playing around with a somewhat different setup on a MAggron and would like some thoughts on it.

Aggron @ Aggronite
Impish / Sturdy (Filter)
252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
- Stealth Rock
- Iron Head
- Dragon Tail
- Thunder Wave

140 / 230 physical base stats leave many people expecting bulky physical attacker, which plays right into the strategy of the set. Set up rocks while they switch out, and phaze with Dragon Tail while two move slots are still unknown. Iron Head and Thunder Wave are for a not-quite-Togekiss but still decently viable paraflinch strategy, as well as to cripple faster mons or Steels.

Thoughts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 22:33:47 No.16382168 Report

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Relatively new to Competetive, how's my team looking?

Mamoswine @ Life Orb
Ability: Thick Fat
Nature: Adamant
EV's 252 hp/252 atk/4 sp. def
Stealth Rock
Icicle Crash
Ice Shard
Earthquake

Conkeldurr @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Nature: Adamant
Ev's: 252 hp/252 atk/4 sp. def
Bulk Up
Drain Punch
Mach Punch
Payback

Tentacruel @ Black Sludge
Ability: Liquid Ooze
Nature: Calm
Ev's: 248 hp/ 244 def/ 16 Spd
Rapid Spin
Knock Off
Scald
Toxic Spikes

Trevenant @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Harvest
Nature: Careful
Ev's: 252 hp/252 sp. def/ 4 def
Leech Seed
Substitute
Wll-o-wisp
Shadow Claw

Scizor @ Leftovers
Ability: Technician
Nature: Adamant
Ev's: 252 hp/ 252 atk/ 4 def
Bullet Punch
Pursuit
Swords Dance
Roost

Goodra @ Assault Vest
Ability: Gooey
Nature: Modest
Ev's 252 hp/252 sp. atk/4 def
Dragon Pulse
Flamethrower
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam

What changes should I make?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 22:36:16 No.16382217 Report

Quoted By: >>16382782

>>16381378

That's actually a pretty standard set for him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 22:39:03 No.16382273 Report

Quoted By:

>>16380948
I run a simular medicham, but my priority move is fake out and I EV'd HP instead of speed, makes it slightly easier to switch in on things.

Nobody sees Ice punch coming. It's hilarious.

Haruka 2251-4892-1647 (FS: lampient, pumpkaboo, spiritomb)

Haruka 2251-4892-1647 (FS: lampient, pumpkaboo, spiritomb) Sat 30 Nov 2013 22:46:41 No.16382456 Report

Quoted By: >>16382662 >>16382859

I'm barely about to make my competitive teams. These are the mons I plan on using.

Dragonite
Ferrothorn
Chansey
Gliscor
Azumaril
M.Mawile

Carbink
Skarmory
Umbreon
Reuniclus
Galvantula
M.Mawile

Also want to make a villain team. Comments or tips?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 22:46:57 No.16382461 Report

Quoted By: >>16382492

>>16372987
Incomplete but r8 mi plz. Who should I add as my last two team members?

Greninja @ Life Orb
Careful, Protean, 252 Sp.Atk/254 Spd/4 HP
Ice Beam
Dark Pulse/HP Ghost
Hydro Pump
U-turn

Scizor @ Scizorite
Adamant, Technician 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 Sp.Def
Fury Cutter
Bullet Punch
Swords Dance
Roost

Goodra @ Choice Specs
Sassy, Gooey, 252 Sp.Atk/252 Sp.Def/4 HP
Draco Meteor
Sludge Wave
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt/Focus Blast

Tyranitar @ Toxic Orb
Careful, Guts, 252 Atk/252 HP/4 Sp.Def
Dragon Dance
Stealth Rocks
Crunch
Stone Edge/Earthquake

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 22:47:59 No.16382492 Report

Quoted By:

>>16382461
Hasty instead of Careful for Greninja.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 22:54:57 No.16382662 Report

Quoted By:

>>16382456
No need for M Mawile on that first team, you already have both a fairy and a steel type.
You seem to lack any offense on the special side, unless you choose to run a special dragonite(??). That will fuck you over.

Second team same issue with M. Mawile as the first. You're missing out on coverage as a result. Funnily enough there seems to be a lack of physical presence on this team.

I'd suggest just making teams, seeing what works and what doesn't. For all I know you can make it work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:00:08 No.16382782 Report

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>>16382217
Really now? I didn't expect that to be the case, I don't see a lot of Aggrons online and when I do they're usually the abuse-rock-head-head-smash variety, and everybody I've used this against seems to expect the same thing too. But I guess if it's considered standard then that just means my competitive sense isn't as bad as I thought it was.

PaulosBoul 3969-5216-8716

PaulosBoul 3969-5216-8716 Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:04:05 No.16382859 Report

Quoted By: >>16382893 >>16383608

>>16382456
please add me for friend safari!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:05:54 No.16382893 Report

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>>16382859
Sure what's your safari?

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:06:37 No.16382908 Report

Quoted By: >>16383293

>tfw a lot of my bros are still not available in XY

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:07:19 No.16382927 Report

Quoted By:

Never done competitive battling stuff before. This is the first team I've ever raised for it.
Venusaur will be mega.
Any tips are appreciated.
I've posted it before and skarmory or another steel type was suggested to counter MKanga, so I may replace one too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:09:34 No.16382981 Report

Quoted By:

>>16378342
Probably to counter any possible ice types.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:14:00 No.16383077 Report

Quoted By: >>16383332 >>16383356

Rate my team, /vp/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:25:09 No.16383293 Report

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>>16382908
Isn't Hera's name kind of dated?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:26:59 No.16383332 Report

Quoted By: >>16384089

>>16383077

Smeargle will never make a pass if you're playing anyone halfway competent.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:27:56 No.16383352 Report

Quoted By: >>16383495

>>16372987
>tfw when my sableye can single handedly destroy 90% of the teams here

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:28:14 No.16383356 Report

Quoted By: >>16384089

>>16383077
You don't actually put "Heracross-Mega" into the Teambuilder, you put in regular Heracross and give it a mega stone. It won't let you play with it as it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:31:31 No.16383445 Report

Quoted By:

>>16378259
I use wish for recovery of other pokes. It also helps on switch ins.
>>16378325
I didn't even notice that. Thanks.
>>16379829
Dusclops is for crippling physical attackers and spin blocking. I guess Gourgeist could work, and it would be good to have recovery besides pain split and Xatu's wish. I actually don't know much about Gourgeist, I'll have to look into it.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:33:29 No.16383495 Report

Quoted By: >>16385405

>>16383352
>yfw magic bounce or taunt

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:34:58 No.16383537 Report

Quoted By:

>>16380978

Bumpan. Can I get some advice on the EV spread on this team?

Haruka 2251-4892-1647 (FS: lampient, pumpkaboo, spiritomb)

Haruka 2251-4892-1647 (FS: lampient, pumpkaboo, spiritomb) Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:37:27 No.16383608 Report

Quoted By:

>>16382859
Are you going to add back?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:39:56 No.16383671 Report

Quoted By: >>16383790

>>16380978
There's nothing wrong with this team that I can see. You definitely want will o wisp over E'quake on Trevenent to cripple physical attackers. The damage with that and leech seed (24% per turn) will force out anything.

Eric 0430-8523-5704 (Illumise, paras, Vivillon)

Eric 0430-8523-5704 (Illumise, paras, Vivillon) Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:40:54 No.16383700 Report

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Gogoat Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Rock Slide
- Bulk Up
- Horn Leech
- Milk Drink
(Scizor) @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Pursuit
- U-turn
- Aerial Ace(filler, this isn't a Pokebank team)

(Rotom-Wash) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Thunderbolt
- Trick

(Azumarill) (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Play Rough
- Aqua Jet
- Waterfall
- Superpower

(Noivern) @ Life Orb
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Flamethrower
- Hurricane
- Boomburst

(Klefki) @ Light Clay
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
Bold Nature
- Light Screen
- Reflect
- Spikes
- Dazzling Gleam

Friend Code: Keaton 1564-3238-2254 (Water: Octillery, Floatzel, Frogadier)

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Friend Code: Keaton 1564-3238-2254 (Water: Octillery, Floatzel, Frogadier) Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:42:21 No.16383735 Report

Quoted By: >>16383917

I've already trained miltank and dragonite in-game, and just bred my 5IV wish eevee; I'm still not certain what EV spread to go for with vaporeon though. I'm also not really sure what set to go for on scizor, since I'll be getting my shiny scizor from pokebank next month and as such it won't have vacuum wave. Any suggestions/improvements?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:44:39 No.16383790 Report

Quoted By: >>16383821

>>16383671

Yeah I had EQ as an option because it hits 5 types for SE, but if it's not STAB it might be too weak. WoW is probably the better option, yeah. Although I'm running Horn Leech, not LS for recovery because two non-attacking moves on a mon that's meant to set up & sweep TR is a bit useless IMO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:46:25 No.16383821 Report

Quoted By:

>>16383790
Yeah, horn leech would be better with those ev investments.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:51:28 No.16383917 Report

Quoted By: >>16384031

>>16383735
Wouldn't Aerial Ace be better than Acrobatics?

Todd 0018 - 0851 - 8526 - Machoke, Pancham, Riolu

Todd 0018 - 0851 - 8526 - Machoke, Pancham, Riolu Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:55:06 No.16383996 Report

Quoted By: >>16388039

Here's my team so far:

Froslass @ Focus Sash
Ability: Cursed Body
EVs: 252 SpAtt 252 Spe 4 HP
Timid Nature
Ice Beam
Spikes
Taunt
Destiny Bond

Chandelure @ Life Orb
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpAtt 68 HP 184 Spe
Modest Nature
Substitute
Flamethrower
Shadow Ball
Pain Split

Starmie @ Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SpAtt 252 Spe 4 SpDef
Timid Nature
Hydro Pump
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Rapid Spin

Conkeldurr @ Leftovers
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Att 4 252 SpDef 4 HP
Adamant Nature
Bulk Up
Drain Punch
Mach Punch
Facade

What else should I add? I'm thinking of defensive mons since Conkeldurr is really the only that can take a hit. I was thinking of using Mega Venusaur as a mixed wall, would that be good? Also thinking about something with Wish support as my final mon. What do you think? Also what do you think of the Pokemon I already have? Do they work well together?

Friend Code: Keaton 1564-3238-2254 (Water: Octillery, Floatzel, Frogadier)

Friend Code: Keaton 1564-3238-2254 (Water: Octillery, Floatzel, Frogadier) Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:56:40 No.16384031 Report

Quoted By: >>16384184 >>16384201

>>16383917
oops yeah changed that to Aerial Ace, would X-Scissor be a better replacement for U-Turn?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Nov 2013 23:59:00 No.16384089 Report

Quoted By:

>>16383332
I try to set that up by using Wobbu's encore. It can be tricky, but rewarding.
>>16383356
Yes, it will revert back to Heracross when you start a battle.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 00:00:05 No.16384110 Report

Quoted By: >>16388859

hi.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 00:03:23 No.16384184 Report

Quoted By: >>16384851

>>16384031
Most sets use U-turn as utility rather than damage. Scizor is slow, and 4x weak to fire, and trapped by Magnet Pull. It really wants a way to get the fuck out if it's threatened. But that's sort of useless if you're bad at prediction.

Bug Bite is superior to X-Scissor anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 00:04:26 No.16384201 Report

Quoted By: >>16384851

>>16384031
I usually go for bug bite. Especially for countering trevenent's sitrus berry.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 00:06:25 No.16384239 Report

Quoted By: >>16385138 >>16385434

>>16376933 back, i have an updated version of this team

and here is a match replay with that team
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oubeta-66386965

Keaton 1564-3238-2254 (Water: Octillery, Floatzel, Frogadier)

Keaton 1564-3238-2254 (Water: Octillery, Floatzel, Frogadier) Sun 01 Dec 2013 00:37:13 No.16384851 Report

Quoted By:

>>16384184
>>16384201
okie dokie, I'll give it bug bite before I send it over and try that out. If I remember correctly it already has EVs invested in max attack/speed though, so would U-Turn be better if it can make a quick getaway? And does the balance between defence and spatk EVs look okay for vaporeon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 00:48:22 No.16385138 Report

Quoted By:

>>16384239
>Forfeits

For what purpose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 00:58:07 No.16385405 Report

Quoted By: >>16385776

>>16383495
there are like 2 pokemon fast enough to beat sableye in the taunt war

and I have only seen one here so far

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 00:58:58 No.16385434 Report

Quoted By:

>>16384239
Togekiss needs Serene Grace.

Crobat needs Infiltrator.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:03:08 No.16385545 Report

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http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/pokebankoubeta-66468089

Nice baton pass team.

Lucas: 0404-6502-2436 (Rock: Rhydon,Nosepass,Corsola)

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Lucas: 0404-6502-2436 (Rock: Rhydon,Nosepass,Corsola) Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:07:09 No.16385640 Report

Quoted By:

>>16372987
Hawlucha (M) @ King's Rock
Ability: Limber
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Brick Break
- U-turn
- Sky Drop
- Poison Jab

Houndoom (M) @ Houndoominite
Ability: Flash Fire
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Flamethrower
- Roar
- Dark Pulse
- Nasty Plot

Swalot (F) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Liquid Ooze
Level: 50
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SDef
Brave Nature
- Gunk Shot
- Encore
- Toxic
- Stockpile

Galvantula @ Focus Sash
Ability: Compound Eyes
Level: 50
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Modest Nature
- Thunder
- Bug Buzz
- Volt Switch
- Sticky Web

Armaldo @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Battle Armor
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 Atk
Jolly Nature
- X-Scissor
- Rock Slide
- Rapid Spin
- Protect

Miltank @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Atk
Relaxed Nature
- Milk Drink
- Curse
- Hammer Arm
- Gyro Ball

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:12:47 No.16385776 Report

Quoted By:

>>16385405
But what about magic bounce?

Matt 1161-0921-9761 (Poison)

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Matt 1161-0921-9761 (Poison) Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:12:48 No.16385777 Report

Quoted By: >>16385819

Scizor @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Night Slash
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- U-turn

Azumarill @ Leftovers
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Belly Drum
- Aqua Jet
- Play Rough
- Superpower

Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 Spd / 68 Atk / 188 HP
Jolly Nature
- Substitute
- Seed Bomb
- Spore
- Focus Punch

Sableye @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 Atk
Calm Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
- Taunt
- Foul Play

Zoroark @ Life Orb
Ability: Illusion
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Dark Pulse
- Nasty Plot
- Focus Blast

Dickpinch (Pinsir) @ Pinsirite
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Stone Edge
- Quick Attack
- X-Scissor
- Thrash

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:14:51 No.16385819 Report

Quoted By: >>16385864

>>16385777
You should have pursuit over night slash.

Matt 1161-0921-9761 (Poison)

Matt 1161-0921-9761 (Poison) Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:16:38 No.16385864 Report

Quoted By: >>16385915

>>16385819
Ight

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:17:55 No.16385891 Report

Quoted By: >>16386005

Hey, I'm thinking of running a mono normal team. How does this look so far?

Tauros @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Pursuit
- Return
- Rock Slide

Miltank @ Leftovers
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 Atk
Impish Nature
- Curse
- Body Slam
- Milk Drink
- Stealth Rock

Kangaskhan @ Kangaskhanite
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- Power-Up Punch

Snorlax @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 Atk
Careful Nature
- Body Slam
- Whirlwind
- Curse
- Rest

Diggersby @ Silk Scarf
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Return
- Swords Dance
- Quick Attack
- Earthquake

Chansey @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 12 Def / 248 HP / 248 SDef
Calm Nature
- Aromatherapy
- Thunder Wave
- Flamethrower
- Soft-Boiled

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:18:45 No.16385915 Report

Quoted By:

>>16385864
What?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:23:01 No.16386005 Report

Quoted By:

>>16385891
Swap flamethrower for seismic toss on Chansey.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:26:33 No.16386092 Report

Quoted By: >>16386270 >>16386976

Yeah, I know it's filled with popular Pokémon but I just chose some of my favourite ones and put them on a team. It's the first team I've made where I've properly EV and IV trained them.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:28:03 No.16386124 Report

Quoted By: >>16386147 >>16386167

I've been working on a team recently to try and make Granbull work in OU. Fairy typing really fixed his biggest weakness in past generations.

I EV'd Granbull to be able to switch into a CB Garchomp EQ and KO back with Play Rough. Since I'm running so much defense investment, I'm running CB myself to try and compensate for the lack of Attack investment. He basically just functions as a check to high power dragons like Garchomp and other physical threats. He's a really solid switch into pretty much anything since after intimidate most things 3HKO him at best. Crunch lets me deal with Aegislashes and other ghost types trying to switch in, EQ lets me actually challenge Aegislash and other Steels head on, Play Rough for STAB, and Rock Slide over SE to more reliably deal with Talonflame.

Mega Charizard X is something new I'm trying to fill the role of a setup sweeper in the mid-to-late game since I lacked that on the team prior. Roost helps me cover my entrance as regular Charizard and also fight Talonflame and Greninja a little more effectively.

Starmie feels like the weakest link. He was originally added to help deal with a pretty large fire weakness that my team had during early testing as well as providing Rapid Spin support, but he doesn't really seem to hit hard enough and most of the time I'd rather just deal with SR than risk throwing Starmie out to RS. I'm considering Tentacruel as a more bulky spin support option.

(1/2)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:29:13 No.16386147 Report

Quoted By: >>16386229 >>16386522

>>16386124
(2/2)
Rotom-W has always been one of my favorite pokemon to use competitively. Pretty self-explanatory. Sets up subs on switches, burns shit and wears them down with Hydro Pump and Volt Switch.

Mamoswine gives me priority, a faster SR user (used to run Ferrothorn and wanted a backup SR user which was his original purpose) and is just a solid attacker in general.

Chandelure is basically my answer to things like Breloom, Gliscor and Trevenant and Sub-Disable Gengar, on top of providing me with just a fast hard-hitting pokemon. Unfortunately, Chandelure's base 80 speed means I need to run Timid if I want to outspeed base 130s, which is exactly what I'm EV'd to outspeed at 396 after Choice Scarf, since outspeeding base 140s is pointless and timid 252 doesn't outspeed anything above that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:29:46 No.16386161 Report

Quoted By: >>16386353

>>16377838
its a solid team, but i wouldnt call it a sand team
its just the set of standard OU pokes with Mienshao thrown in and then tyranitar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:30:09 No.16386167 Report

Quoted By: >>16386293

>>16386124
Give Charizard Outrage, over Dragon claw.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:32:42 No.16386229 Report

Quoted By: >>16386293

>>16386147
Either remove WoW, or choice scarf you will be locked into it unless your planning to switch out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:34:48 No.16386270 Report

Quoted By:

>>16386092

I've had some great results with Dragonite. It completely wrecked Mega-Mewtwo Y.

Survives Ice Beam then OHKO's it right back after a Dragon Dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:35:49 No.16386293 Report

Quoted By:

>>16386167
Yeah, I've thought about that. The problem is that it leaves me extremely vulnerable if I need to use him earlier than his intended mid-to-late game sweeping purpose. Even late game if they have 3+ pokemon left to finish it can be a really risky option. But he's a relatively new addition to the team so I wanted to test both options and see which one worked better.

>>16386229
Oh yeah, I forgot to explain why I had WoW on Chandelure. To be real honest when I made the set I was really stuck on figuring out what to run in my last slot. HP nerf makes killing shit really hard now, especially when I'm Timid, so I didn't really want to run HP Ice or Electric. I honestly just stuck WoW to try and fuck over TTars that switch into me to pursuit trap me, but I haven't used it once. I'm gonna try running Memento after a friend of mine suggested it to me as a sort of last-ditch before I die option that could help M-Charizard X set up easier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:38:02 No.16386342 Report

Quoted By: >>16386375

>>16373122
Just in case you are still around:

>Sub on Zam
Do you want to play satdium? Otherwise this is completely useless. Replace it with reflect, or seismic toss.

>Chansey
I would replace t-bolt for seismic toss to damage zam and slowbro, but that's a matter of preference, T-bolt is ok, too.

>zapdos
Looks fine.

>Dragonite
Dragonite without wrap? Nope. Don't use that. Replace body slam with wrap and blizzard for ice beam. The only thing dragonite is good for is agilywrap and then finishing things of with H-beam and ice beam.

>Golem
Looks good.

>slowbrow
psychic and surf is redundant. Replace psychic for thunderewave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:38:31 No.16386353 Report

Quoted By:

>>16386161
Swampert and Magnezone aren't standard OU at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:39:29 No.16386375 Report

Quoted By: >>16386505

>>16386342
Wrap is banned, but I'll take the rest into consideration.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:39:37 No.16386381 Report

Quoted By:

>>16379390
needs a talonflame, than you are full somogon

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:41:57 No.16386427 Report

Quoted By: >>16386474 >>16386498 >>16386515 >>16386619 >>16389059

If I wanted to make the absolute, most annoying goddamn pokemon ever, what should I am to do?

A friend and I are planning on battle soon and I just want something that'll be a pain in the ass to deal with for no reason other than to piss him off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:43:45 No.16386474 Report

Quoted By:

>>16386427
Prankster sableye, parahax dunsparce, prankster klefki

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:44:56 No.16386498 Report

Quoted By:

>>16386427
Dusclops, Sableye, Klefki or Avalugg.
Dusclops can really piss people off with will o wisp and pain split.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:45:17 No.16386505 Report

Quoted By: >>16386556

>>16386375
If wrap is banned in your metagame I recommend replacing dragonite with snorlax or tauros. You really need a good physical hitter then.
Also having no sleeper in Gen 1 is very uncommon. Eggy is considered almost mandatory by most players. You may want to add it instead of slowbrow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:45:42 No.16386515 Report

Quoted By:

>>16386427
Deoxys-S @ Leftovers
Timid: 252 HP / 252 Spd / 6 Def
-Cosmic Power
-Recover
-Night Shade
-Taunt

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:46:10 No.16386522 Report

Quoted By: >>16386577

>>16386147

Does Granbull really work against Garchomp?

I might be wrong but I just ran some figures on it.

Granbull with that EV spread will take 62.7% - 74.2% from a Choice Band Jolly Garchomp with +252 Atk.

Next turn Garchomp will presumably go first and after intimidate it will do 41.6% - 49.4% with EQ which means it's a 2HKO. Since Garchomp will get 2 hits in before you can attack Granbull will be dead before it gets a chance to attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:47:35 No.16386556 Report

Quoted By: >>16386655

>>16386505
I've never actually encountered sleep, paralysis is the only status I see. Tauros is probably better than Dragonite as he can use Blizzard as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:48:36 No.16386577 Report

Quoted By: >>16386652

>>16386522
Intimidate goes first.

So the worst-case scenario goes like this:

Switch into Granbull
Intimidate Garchomp
Garchomp EQs me
take 41-49%
next turn it EQs again
I live
CB Play Rough kills

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:50:04 No.16386606 Report

Quoted By: >>16386646

>Inb4Groundsweep

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:50:35 No.16386619 Report

Quoted By:

>>16386427

Paraflinch Togekiss.

I destroyed a team of 6 yesterday and they only attacked twice. It was ridiculous. I actually feel bad using it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:51:31 No.16386634 Report

Quoted By: >>16386829 >>16388460

Who wants to watch me fight OU: The Team?

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-pokebankoubeta-66482569

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:52:00 No.16386646 Report

Quoted By:

>>16386606
Scarfchomp sweeps you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:52:22 No.16386652 Report

Quoted By:

>>16386577

True, sorry, forgot about that. Makes sense now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:52:33 No.16386655 Report

Quoted By: >>16386720

>>16386556
Where are you playing that you don't encounter sleep in RBY? Remember in Gen 1 pokes don't attack the turn they wake up, which makes sleep really powerfull.
I'm not saying a team without one can't work, but it would be highly gimmicky to try so.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:54:37 No.16386690 Report

Quoted By:

Pokebank OU

The gimmick?
U-turn and Volt Switch, I'm a jew for giving up a turn to switch without dealing damage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 01:55:56 No.16386720 Report

Quoted By: >>16386860

>>16386655
Showdown and PBS. I have never see it and it seems inferior to paralysis due to the fact that it is only temporary, no great pokes can use it, poor accuracy and the sleep clause.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:01:46 No.16386829 Report

Quoted By:

>>16386634
>lol guys im not using 1 smogon____ im not as bad as him
>shit talk non stop

lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:03:22 No.16386860 Report

Quoted By:

>>16386720
Most players will try to put something to sleep before starting to spread paralysis. That way you essentially get rid of an entire opposing pokemon.

>no great pokes can use it
Eggy can use it and Eggy is pretty much the best RBY pokemon after Tauros and maybe snorlax. It walls rocks like nothing, scares chansey of with explosion, can damage zam with double-edge, spreads paralysis and has generally good bulk allowing it to come in on snorlax or tauros at good health.
Gengar, Jynx and Hypno can be usefull too, if you know how to use them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:08:51 No.16386976 Report

Quoted By: >>16387242

>>16386092

>All this smeargle

Dude leading with smeargle so fucking obvious, I wouldn't even bother with him.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:11:10 No.16387015 Report

Quoted By: >>16387070 >>16387250 >>16387285 >>16387354 >>16387400

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:13:14 No.16387070 Report

Quoted By: >>16387148

>>16387015
>Bug Buzz on MegaScizor

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:16:51 No.16387143 Report

Quoted By:

>people that take more than 10 seconds to move

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:16:58 No.16387148 Report

Quoted By: >>16387682

>>16387070
oh, thats a mistake, it actually has x-scissor there

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:21:39 No.16387242 Report

Quoted By:

>>16386976

That's why I have magic coat.

I know it seems pretty obvious but I've had a few battles where someone has sent out Prankster Klefki etc to counter Smeargle. They get hit with Magic Coat and Taunt etc bounces back to them forcing them to switch, allowing Smeargle to set up.

The thing that does fuck it up is Substitute since I can't use spore and if I baton pass shell smash I'm gonna get destroyed because of -1 def/sp.def.

It's been really useful so far. Even late game when it has 1hp. It's came out to spore a few pokemon it's faster than and it's quite useful to come out and just die so I can get a free switch.

Essentially from all the games I've played he's been more beneficial much more than he's been a hindrance so far.

I've only been using him the past week so I'll see how he goes. Any suggestions for who to replace him with?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:22:04 No.16387250 Report

Quoted By:

>>16387015
>bug buzz on scizor

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:23:20 No.16387285 Report

Quoted By:

>>16387015
get thief in there and boom what a nigger

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:26:19 No.16387354 Report

Quoted By:

>>16387015

>bug buzz on scizor

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:28:51 No.16387400 Report

Quoted By:

>>16387015

>getting locked into wil-o-wisp
>no trick
>Bug buzz on scizor
>So many pokemon dedicated to defense

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:35:37 No.16387514 Report

Quoted By: >>16387927

I have 14 fully set up pokemon but not sure what to use for my team

Garchomp
Scolipede (baton-pass)
Vaporeon (tank)
Dragonite
Crustle (stealth rocks)
Tyranitar (sandstorm maker)
Klefki (annoyer)
Togekiss (annoyer)
Excadrill (rapid spinner)
Magnezone
Skarmory
M-Absol
M-Mawile
M-Aerodactyl

I'm pretty new to competitive so have no idea which ones to use together

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:43:23 No.16387682 Report

Quoted By: >>16387862

>>16387148
>x-scissor on scizor
Just as bad.
Use bug bite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:48:22 No.16387786 Report

Quoted By: >>16387837

What are some other viable Goodra sets out there? The one I'm using is >>16381117, and my Def/SpA spread seems pretty random.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:50:40 No.16387837 Report

Quoted By:

>>16387786
I use
Muddy Water
Fire Storm
Thunderbolt
Dragon Pulse
Works pretty fine for me.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:52:06 No.16387862 Report

Quoted By: >>16387911 >>16387914

better?
>>16387682
why bug bite over x-scissor?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:54:32 No.16387911 Report

Quoted By: >>16387980

>>16387862
Why Rocky Helmet on Vaporeon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:54:49 No.16387914 Report

Quoted By: >>16387980

>>16387862
Technician boosts Bug Bite to 90 bp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:55:23 No.16387927 Report

Quoted By: >>16388076

>>16387514
You made the rookie mistake of breeding a fuckton of pokemon and trying to put them together into something cohesive. You plan out the team before you start breeding.

e.g. if you want to run a team around azumarill then you need to pair it up with pokemon wo can dispose of Bully Grass-types like Roserade, Ferrothorn and Mega Venusaur and pokemon who can get rid of things like Rotom-W. You might use Excadrill for the latter and Talonflame for the former, for example.

But from your list you could try pairing Magnezone with Tyranitar, assuming Tyranitar doesn't have Fire Blast it's walled roundly by Skarmory and Ferrothorn, if your Magnezone has HP Fire then it's great for killing those assholes. Since it's WiFi you could use Sand Veil Garchomp and shit. Nothing else looks exceptionally synergetic on first glance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 02:57:30 No.16387980 Report

Quoted By:

>>16387914
oh, right, that is a better idea
>>16387911
couldnt think of a good item for it other than leftovers, but forretress already has the leftovers

Todd 0018 - 0851 - 8526 - Machoke, Pancham, Riolu

Todd 0018 - 0851 - 8526 - Machoke, Pancham, Riolu Sun 01 Dec 2013 03:00:30 No.16388039 Report

Quoted By: >>16388346

>>16383996
Bump. Could somebody help me out?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 03:02:03 No.16388076 Report

Quoted By:

>>16387927
Ehh, well I was just breeding stuff I liked, hence why I have a bit of a random number, realised afterwards I was really unbalanced with a lot of Rock and Steel types. Everything there has 4-5IVs in the relevant fields and given a few egg moves that are recommended on them.

Togekiss, Garchomp, Tyranitar and Vaporeon worked pretty well for me in Super Doubles at the Maison, got to mid-40s first time without swapping the team around

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 03:07:37 No.16388209 Report

Quoted By: >>16388323 >>16388327

I'm really liking my team, but I feel like it needs improvement, and I'm not sure where to do it, since each member has been super helpful in battles.
suggestions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 03:12:10 No.16388323 Report

Quoted By:

>>16388209
Is that a team for ants?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 03:12:25 No.16388327 Report

Quoted By: >>16388522

>>16388209
same team in a different layout because thats hard to read

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 03:13:17 No.16388346 Report

Quoted By: >>16389523 >>16389661

>>16388039
Gengar/Aegislash wrecks half your team, get a dark or a normal type in there to take down spooky ghostmen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 03:17:50 No.16388460 Report

Quoted By:

>>16386634
>Scizor
>Ferrothorn
>Tyranitar
Which side is OU: The Team again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 03:20:15 No.16388522 Report

Quoted By: >>16388594

>>16388327
You need more EVs on Venusuar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 03:22:48 No.16388594 Report

Quoted By:

>>16388522
holy fuck youre right
its supposed to have max hp
sucks it wasnt already like that, but the fact that my venusaur is about to get even more bulky makes me super happy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 03:32:29 No.16388859 Report

Quoted By:

>>16384110
>scraft singles
amazing

EmmaGear

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EmmaGear Sun 01 Dec 2013 03:32:46 No.16388866 Report

Quoted By: >>16389430

This is the team I've been using on Showdown for a few days and am really liking so far. Yes I stole the Sigilyph from Showderp, but I'm wondering if there's any adjustments that can make to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 03:39:03 No.16389059 Report

Quoted By:

>>16386427
Prankster Klefki with swagger and t-wave is a bit gimmicky but a very abstract brand of hell. If you're going to burn down a friendship, that's probably going to be the best you can use.

Prankster Sableye is a bit more practical because it has has priority recover, WoW, and taunt. Still stupidly annoying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 03:45:15 No.16389225 Report

Quoted By:

>>16376996
>he plays OU instead of Pokebank OU

Ghosis 2681-0290-3939 (Munna, Espurr, Duosion)

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Ghosis 2681-0290-3939 (Munna, Espurr, Duosion) Sun 01 Dec 2013 03:53:40 No.16389430 Report

Quoted By:

>>16388866
>mfw anon using my Sigilyph set
The usual one has psycho shift and flame orb but has trouble with Clefable and phazers, so I changed it up a bit.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 03:54:59 No.16389455 Report

Quoted By: >>16389640 >>16389758

This team is mainly just pokemon I like, the only exception being Sableye. Any obvious improvements I can make that allow me to keep Latias?

Todd 0018 - 0851 - 8526 - Machoke, Pancham, Riolu

Todd 0018 - 0851 - 8526 - Machoke, Pancham, Riolu Sun 01 Dec 2013 03:58:34 No.16389523 Report

Quoted By:

>>16388346
What about a Huge Power Diggersby? It could throw out STAB EQs while being immune to Ghost. But would it be bulky enough to take their other moves?

Todd 0018 - 0851 - 8526 - Machoke, Pancham, Riolu

Todd 0018 - 0851 - 8526 - Machoke, Pancham, Riolu Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:03:48 No.16389640 Report

Quoted By: >>16390007

>>16389455
You could maybe use a spinner if you want to use Volcarona, considering if your opponent sets them up Volcarona can only switch in twice after that. You could probably lose Gastrodon for a spinner, but it's up to you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:04:35 No.16389661 Report

Quoted By:

>>16388346
any bulky ground can kill aegislash and megagengar straight up by just spamming earthquake, they can't outdamage you for the kill

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:07:18 No.16389758 Report

Quoted By: >>16390007

>>16389455
replace gastrodon with a spinning tentacruel

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:17:57 No.16390007 Report

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>>16389640
>>16389758
Huh, never thought of that. Fits the team really well and I actually like tentacruel too, thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:20:58 No.16390068 Report

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I've never had luck with spinners. Seems like its almost impossible to find a good time to send them out and spin.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:26:57 No.16390210 Report

Quoted By: >>16390249 >>16390283 >>16390362 >>16390372

if anyone is still here, here is my ou team

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:28:47 No.16390249 Report

Quoted By: >>16390260 >>16390317

>>16390210
>using UU and under mon in OU

kill yourself

kill yourself Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:29:24 No.16390260 Report

Quoted By: >>16390270 >>16390289

>>16390249
>using the same 10 pokemon that everyone else is using

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:29:58 No.16390270 Report

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>>16390260
>that everyone else is using because they are the best

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:30:37 No.16390283 Report

Quoted By: >>16390353

>>16390210
>compound eyes
>wide lens

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:31:20 No.16390289 Report

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>>16390260
>10

kill yourself

kill yourself Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:31:39 No.16390294 Report

Quoted By: >>16390302 >>16390337

>>16390270
>they're the best so i have to use them

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:32:08 No.16390302 Report

Quoted By: >>16390365

>>16390294
>I should feel bad for using the best available to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:32:41 No.16390317 Report

Quoted By: >>16390341

>>16390249
stop derailing the thread /v/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:33:37 No.16390337 Report

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>>16390294
>ina fight to the death
>offered a pillow or a dagger
>take the pillow

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:33:46 No.16390341 Report

Quoted By: >>16390437

>>16390317
>You're /v/ if you use good pokemon.
stahp

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:34:20 No.16390353 Report

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>>16390283
Hurricane is only a 91% of hitting without the lens, and with my luck it is better to have the lens for 100% accuracy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:34:50 No.16390362 Report

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>>16390210
>wide lens
thats so fucking stupid its crazy. life orb.
diggersby desperately needs quick attack
why the fuck does florges have a balloon? give it lefties
sharpedo is not good for your team. you already have a bulky attacking water type
I would replace dragon pulse with ice beam, but thats just me

kill yourself

kill yourself Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:35:07 No.16390365 Report

Quoted By: >>16390384 >>16390387 >>16390477

>>16390302
Yeah, you should. If you don't have at least one of your favorites (which is most likely lower tier) on the team you should literally kill yourself. You aren't playing for anything other than to win. No fun or self expression whatsoever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:35:26 No.16390372 Report

Quoted By: >>16390568

>>16390210
Sleep Powder's accuracy with compound eyes is already 97.5% -- Wide Lens is redundant, so you're better off with Focus Sash.

Sub Diggersby is good. Check up speed tiers so you can outspeed significant threats, if possible.

Mega-Manectric, ever.

Air Balloon Florges makes no sense. Protect is worthless without Wish. Calm Mind + Moonblast really isn't going to do much, even after a few boosts. Walled to death by Heatran.

Return over Aqua Jet on Sharpedo. You're not going to survive any hits, so why not run Life Orb?

I've seen Assault Vest Clawitzer a bit, but why? I don't see what it has over any other sweeper -- it's still too slow and still not bulky enough to survive any hits. Keldeo, Azumarill, Blastoise, Rotom-W, there are tons of better water pokes out there, and Blastoise has better bulk and the same moves.

And on top of that, running two water types that have no synergy doesn't seem like a good idea. You need something to set up hazards for diggersby, or potentially something to spin for Vivillon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:36:20 No.16390384 Report

Quoted By: >>16390398

>>16390365
I play competitive games to win, and winning is fun for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:36:28 No.16390387 Report

Quoted By: >>16390398

>>16390365
>winning isn't fun guys! I love losing!

kill yourself

kill yourself Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:37:22 No.16390398 Report

Quoted By: >>16390423

>>16390387
>>16390384
>i have to use the best things available to win
>i can't use my favorites to win
So bad at the game it hurts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:39:04 No.16390423 Report

Quoted By: >>16390459

>>16390398
If two equally skilled players played each other, one with an OU team, and the other without an OU team, the one with the OU team will win.

But I'm glad to hear you make yourself feel good beating 12-year-olds low down on the Showdown ladder.

Higher up, a shitty "creative" team would be steamrolled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:40:08 No.16390437 Report

Quoted By: >>16390449 >>16390511

>>16390341
>stahp
Oh, you're from reddit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:40:56 No.16390449 Report

Quoted By: >>16390470

>>16390437
>I can't think of anything else to say!
>I know, I'll say "you're from reddit."

kill yourself

kill yourself Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:41:15 No.16390459 Report

Quoted By: >>16390492

>>16390423
OU team vs UU team with niche counters to OU threats (all 5 of them)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:41:45 No.16390470 Report

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>>16390449
It's pretty obvious when you spout le e/b/in rebbit maymays.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:42:02 No.16390477 Report

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>>16390365
>your favorites must be in lower tiers or else you should kill yourself in some horrible manner.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:42:48 No.16390492 Report

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>>16390459
Then KO the counter with something it doesn't counter.

M-gengar is good at that.

Cromzz 4184 2120 4801 (Meinfoo, Sawk, Breloom)

Cromzz 4184 2120 4801 (Meinfoo, Sawk, Breloom) Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:42:49 No.16390493 Report

Quoted By: >>16390513 >>16390521

Is this thread still alive?

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:43:44 No.16390511 Report

Quoted By: >>16390534

>>16390437

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:43:56 No.16390513 Report

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>>16390493
Yes. Ignore /v/ trying to derail it.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:44:28 No.16390521 Report

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>>16390493
It is but it shouldn't be.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:45:17 No.16390534 Report

Quoted By: >>16390582

>>16390511
>caring what joot says

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:47:14 No.16390568 Report

Quoted By: >>16390641

>>16390372
The reason I had air balloon was because I thought symbiosis would pass it. But then I just re-read and it said 'when consumed.' I'm a dumbass.

Assault Vest Clawitzer allows it to be 2-4HKO'd. It's good enough to do what it does, and that is being my lead.

Thanks for the ideas/tips, though.

Cromzz 4184 2120 4801 (Meinfoo, Sawk, Breloom)

Cromzz 4184 2120 4801 (Meinfoo, Sawk, Breloom) Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:47:34 No.16390576 Report

Quoted By: >>16390638

I made a pretty picture in Showdown but I don't know how to screenshot ALL of it. So here:

Reptar (Tyranitar) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Crunch
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Impish Nature
- Baton Pass
- Wish
- Yawn
- Substitute

Dragonite
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Fire Punch

Gengar @ Gengarite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Sludge Bomb
- Thunderbolt

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 52 Def / 200 SDef
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Leech Seed
- Stealth Rock
- Protect
- Gyro Ball

Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Relaxed Nature
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Scald
- Earthquake

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:47:47 No.16390582 Report

Quoted By: >>16390662

>>16390534
>joot
Its Moot you filth fucking scum sucking newfag.
Fuck off to whatever hell forsaken corner of the internet you spawned from.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:50:30 No.16390638 Report

Quoted By: >>16390697

>>16390576
I would swap Umbreon out for Vaporeon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:50:34 No.16390641 Report

Quoted By: >>16390770

>>16390568
2-4HKO'd by what?
I just don't see him being fast enough to outspeed what he needs to KO.
But if you must use him, be my guest

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:51:20 No.16390660 Report

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Team I guess?
Debating on the Kecleon tho. Still playing around with the set of his.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:51:24 No.16390662 Report

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>>16390582
Fuck off. moot is a faggot. Only newfags like him.

Cromzz 4184 2120 4801 (Meinfoo, Sawk, Breloom)

Cromzz 4184 2120 4801 (Meinfoo, Sawk, Breloom) Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:53:46 No.16390697 Report

Quoted By: >>16390934

>>16390638
What build do you suggest?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 04:57:12 No.16390770 Report

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>>16390641
By mostly everything. Heck, a non-stab Thunderbolt (usually) takes 3 hits to kill.
He out speeds common hazard-setters like Forretress and Ferrothorn. Even baton-passers get killed by him (unless they're boosting SpD)
He gets rekt by Smeargle, though.
Not the best, but whatever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 05:05:31 No.16390934 Report

Quoted By: >>16391085

>>16390697
You could use the same moveset that's currently on Umbreon if you wish, or something like:

Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4SDef
Bold Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Scald
- Yawn

Now that I think about it this would be slightly redundant with Gastrodon. Vap's assed Wishes and Substitutes would be larger than Umb's if that's appealing to you.

Cromzz 4184 2120 4801 (Meinfoo, Sawk, Breloom)

Cromzz 4184 2120 4801 (Meinfoo, Sawk, Breloom) Sun 01 Dec 2013 05:12:43 No.16391085 Report

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>>16390934
Well their roles are different, so I wouldn't mind it. Plus, Umbreon just adds to my team's glaring weakness to fighting.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 05:59:11 No.16391948 Report

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>>16380038
bump jesus you guys

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 06:29:21 No.16392447 Report

Quoted By: >>16392492 >>16392617

Could someone please help put together a balanced team using my favs? I... I just can't narrow it down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 06:31:30 No.16392473 Report

Quoted By: >>16392492

Talonflame
Aegislash
Noivern
Excadrill
Ferrothorn
Ttar/Gengar
Goodra

Leon 3969 - 4803 - 6478 (Garvodor - Drapion - Gloom) {895} and {2741}

Leon 3969 - 4803 - 6478 (Garvodor - Drapion - Gloom) {895} and {2741} Sun 01 Dec 2013 06:31:50 No.16392482 Report

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Timid Gardevoir (Gardevoirite)
Trace
252: SpA - Spe, 6: Def
Psychic - Shadow Ball - Moonblast - Focus Blast
31 IV: HP, SpA, SpD, Spe

Adamant Growlithe (Leftovers)
Flash Fire
252: Atk - Spe, 6 Def
Flare Blitz - Close Combat - Extreme Speed - Wild Charge
31 IV: Atk, Spee, SpD

Impish Gliscor (Toxic Orb)
Poison Heal
252: HP, Speed, 6: Def
Toxic - Substitute - Protect - Earthquake
31 IV: Atk, Def, SpA, SpD, Speed

Timid Jolteon (Magnet)
Volt Absorb
252: SpA, Speed. 6: Def.
Thunderbolt - Thunder Wave - Volt Switch - Shadow Ball
31 IV: SpA, Speed

Jolly Crobat (Black Sludge)
Inner Focus
252: Atk, Speed. 6: SpD.
Brave Bird - Fly (lazy to cycle all the way) - U Turn - Cross Poison
31 IV: Atk, SpD, Speed.

Jolly Greninja (Life Orb)
Protean
252: Atk, Speed. 6: HP.
Power Up Punch - U Turn - Water Shuriken - Night Slash
31 IV: HP, Def, SpA, SpD.

or

Modest Blastoise (Blastoisinite)
Torrent (couldn't get the Hidden Ability when I finally got the IV's I wanted)
252: SpA and HP, 6: Def.
Rapid Spin - Ice Beam - Scald - Dark Pulse
31 IV: HP, Atk, Def, SpD, Speed

I'm planning to replace Greninja/Blastoise with an Empoleon when Pokebank is out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 06:32:31 No.16392492 Report

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>>16392473
is a reply to
>>16392447

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2013 06:39:05 No.16392617 Report

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>>16392447
Excadrill keeps hazards off the field for Talonflame, who needs help getting around Tyranitar and Rotom-W. Goodra hard counters Rotom-W. Chesnaught resists both its STABs but can't take a WoW. Chesnaught also counters Tyranitar if it doesn't have Fire Blast or Ice Beam, which is more common than it sounds. Ferrothorn can set up hazards for your team and has good defensive synergy with Goodra, not so much Chesnaught.

that's some good stuff to go on i guess

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