>>16395812>145 attack with a +speed nature and no item using an 80 BP attack is very strong, but will not OHKO anything except stuff weak to it or frail to begin withSo basically anything faster than it.
>meaning Absol is going to get OHKO'd itself in retaliation. Except likely not most of the time unless you're just making poor decisions, like leaving it in on Conkeldurr or something.
>And as for magic bounce, it's mostly for reflecting on the switch, which Absol can't do unless it's already evolved. It's there to lock down your opponent. You can catch a reflect on the switch, but the thing is, it's always in play as its ability. So long as Absol has that, it can't be will-o-wisp'd, it can't be thunder waved, opponents can only buff themselves, or use an attacking move, which gets hit by sucker punch.
>Anyone who would cast status moves on it after it evolved is probably going to lose anyway.If you weren't running setup moves, what would your other option be? Most smart players realize that 150 base attack STAB sucker punch fucking hurts. I'd personally much rather stall out that 8 PP than outright lose one of my Pokemon
>And I hate to break it to you, but 115 speed isn't as good as it used to be.You could make that argument with 102, 105, or even 110 base speed, but 115 is still great. Those other speeds are all below 112 and 111 speed, which received some incredibly common threats in the form of Mega Lucario, the Genies, the Muskateers, and more. Barely any threats have been added above 115 since Gen 4 aside from Talonflame, who is all about priority anyway, it could have 5 speed and that wouldn't matter. Greninja, who performs as a support late game sweeper if anything, rather than an immediate threat, and Mega Gengar, who is notably weak to dark.
