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GENGARITE BANNED FROM OU

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:00:18 No.16432009 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>16432201 >>16433407 >>16434903 >>16435084 >>16439941

RIP

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/xy-ou-ban-of-gengarite.3494085/

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:02:58 No.16432078 Report

Quoted By: >>16432232 >>16432243 >>16433307

Time to ban Mega Gyarados!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:06:00 No.16432157 Report

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Is anyone surprised?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:07:14 No.16432194 Report

Quoted By: >>16432243 >>16440544

Kangaskhanite is next.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:07:24 No.16432201 Report

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>>16432009
Oh boy, here we go

>Wah! Fuck you Smogon!
>But you don't have to follow the rules! Waaaah!
>But fuck them, and their facist ways ;_; !
>It can be countered by this! (insert less than 10 pokemon with extremely situational "counters")
>That's over centralizing!
>Yeah but it's not overpowered you can do this
>But then they can do this
>No they can't!
>Yes they can!
>WWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!

/thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:08:38 No.16432232 Report

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>>16432078
You mispelled Kangaskhan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:08:58 No.16432243 Report

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Expected.

>>16432078
No

>>16432194
Probably

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:14:06 No.16432377 Report

Quoted By: >>16432498

Did it deserve a ban? Yes
Did it deserve a quick ban? I really don't think so. Well, not before Kangaskhanite at least

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:17:26 No.16432478 Report

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About time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:18:07 No.16432498 Report

Quoted By: >>16432651

>>16432377
The only thing I wanna know is if this counts in pokebank OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:23:02 No.16432598 Report

Quoted By: >>16432717

Not surprised, but Kangashan should've been banned first. That shit is insane.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:25:08 No.16432651 Report

Quoted By: >>16432717

>>16432498
Yes, both
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/official-xy-ou-banlist.3491371/

There's a link to this at the top of the page linked in the OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:27:49 No.16432717 Report

Quoted By:

>>16432598
>>16432598
I agree

>>16432651
Thank you based anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:42:19 No.16433098 Report

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Meh, I really think they're banning shit too quick. Hopefully they revisit these in a few months.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:49:38 No.16433307 Report

Quoted By: >>16433451

>>16432078
Never! Its the backbone of my team!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:52:26 No.16433373 Report

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Time to start playing VGC I suppose

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:53:46 No.16433407 Report

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>>16432009
Fuck you!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:55:05 No.16433451 Report

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>>16433307
sucks to be you when it's banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:56:47 No.16433486 Report

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>people complained about ST gothitelle
>it doesn't have anywhere near the stats or movepool that MGengar has
>gothitelle also has a worse typing

I can see why gengarite was banned, it probably should be banned, but I don't think smogon should be so hasty with bans. Unless it's kagaskhanite, fuck her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:57:34 No.16433506 Report

Quoted By: >>16433578 >>16433603

So when are we going to be done with it and just ban all Mega Stones?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 01:59:28 No.16433553 Report

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Whelp, time to wait for Battle Spot to be patched.

Not participating in Smogon's meta if it's going to differ this much from the official Nintendo competition without so much as a suspect testing round.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:00:05 No.16433578 Report

Quoted By: >>16433741

>>16433506
When Game freak realizes the autism that is mega evos and remove them from future games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:01:22 No.16433603 Report

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>>16433506
Can't get rid of that Mega Kangaroo though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:06:47 No.16433741 Report

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>>16433578
Mega evos are fine. Kangaskhan is a little much, but outside of that they aren't that hard to deal with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:10:59 No.16433843 Report

Quoted By: >>16433873 >>16434024

>implying kangaskhan is worse than gengar

Kangaskhan is easily deal with WoW or other status. Since everyone has a faggy prankster now that's easier than ever

I never have trouble with them

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:12:42 No.16433873 Report

Quoted By: >>16433951

>>16433843
And I never have trouble with Mega Gengar. Literally never.

ALPHABETSOUP !w5FmNcE96o

ALPHABETSOUP !w5FmNcE96o Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:13:13 No.16433887 Report

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GENGAR IS BEST MEGA
SHOULD NOT BAN
SMOGON A SHIT

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:15:44 No.16433951 Report

Quoted By: >>16433998 >>16437021

>>16433873
Because you're shit

Kangaskhan just hits really hard. Gengar not only hits hard if you want him to but can also easily clear the way for other sweepers. There's nothing comparable about them.

Kangaskhan just rapes you because you don't know how to play. Gengar actually is bad for the metagame

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:17:45 No.16433998 Report

Quoted By: >>16434030

>>16433951
I never said Kanga was too difficult. I said nothing about banning it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:19:02 No.16434024 Report

Quoted By: >>16434163

>>16433843
M-Kanga is far worse than M-Gengar

basically any pursuit trapper or sucker punch user could kill gengar

the only teams that struggled with it where pure defensive/stall teams that everyone hates anyways, and that was only with the perish song variant that doesn't even exist yet

there are maybe 3 pokemon in the current meta that can counter M-Kanga.
basically you carry a status absorber with your M-Kanga and you never lose

I am amazed they banned M-Gengar before her

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:19:29 No.16434030 Report

Quoted By: >>16434329

>>16433998
And I don't care about what you said or think if you reply to me you either think Kangaskhan is worse or Gengar doesn't deserve the ban.

Both options mean you're shit

Helel

Helel Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:24:43 No.16434163 Report

Quoted By: >>16434210

>>16434024
Sucker punch doesn't actually work. A Tyranitar with pursuit (and maybe a Scizor) would be able to do the job but that's a pretty small number of viable counters.

The annoying part about M-Gengar was the potential for Perish Song + Destiny bond combined with Shadow Tag. Did it deserve a ban? I don't think so. Did it deserve a quickban? Totally not. There wasn't nearly enough testing done and I strongly disagree with Smogon's thinking here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:27:08 No.16434207 Report

Quoted By: >>16435715

FUCKING

GOOD

fuck that bullshit pokemon

>inb4 wahhhh mega kangaskhan is the real problem!!!

it's like you don't even run a fucking ghost on your team, or skarmory with rocky helmet, or any fighting pokemon, or ferrothorn with rocky helmet
Kangaskhan so fucking easy to counter

Gengar used correctly? Free kill on any pokemon on your team

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:27:14 No.16434210 Report

Quoted By: >>16434242 >>16434261 >>16434659

>>16434163
almost any priority user also killed Gengar

did he deserve a ban?
yeah 170 base SpAtk and 130 base speed is stupid
did he deserve a quickban?
idk, maybe
did he deserve to be banned before M-Kanga was banned?
no

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:28:21 No.16434242 Report

Quoted By: >>16434306

>>16434210
mega-kanga doesn't need to be banned though

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:28:57 No.16434255 Report

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but I can still use it in UU later, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:29:19 No.16434261 Report

Quoted By: >>16434306 >>16434365

>>16434210
He wouldn't be banned if all he had was good offense

That's why they are still thinking about banning Kangaskhan since it isn't that fast and can only do one damn thing. But obviously you don't know what you're talking about

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:30:55 No.16434306 Report

Quoted By: >>16434344 >>16434374 >>16434390 >>16434632

>>16434261
>>16434242
she forces you to carry a dedicated M-Kanga counter that serves almost no other purpose other than simply being on the team in case she shows up

if that isn't centralizing the meta then idk what is

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:31:50 No.16434329 Report

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>>16434030
I actually think both of them are fine and that youre a faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:32:37 No.16434344 Report

Quoted By: >>16434367 >>16434475

>>16434306
I run a team that just naturally counters mega kanga, try having sableye on your team

sableye can switch into kanga, take any hit (even crunch), priority burn it and stall it out

sableye isn't even there to "counter mega kanga," he's just there to be a bad ass mon that counters fucking half of the current metagame because everyone it's all physical sweeper fucking cancer

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:33:27 No.16434365 Report

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>>16434261
Mega-kanga has support options. Are you aware of the seismic toss / wish set?

I still don't think it's as broken as mega-gengar which broke defensive cores in half.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:33:28 No.16434367 Report

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>>16434344
Priority Will O' Wisp is so fucking great

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:33:38 No.16434374 Report

Quoted By: >>16434421 >>16434475

>>16434306
I don't run a dedicated counter, I just run a single fucking fighting pokemon on my team

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:34:18 No.16434390 Report

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>>16434306
>dedicated

Almost all the things that can deal with it can do fine against any other physical threat.

Gengar is different and I don't even have to explain why because it was already explained on that fucking link.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:35:47 No.16434419 Report

Quoted By: >>16435882

How about Mega Alakazam? Its Special Attack and Speed are just about unmatched.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:35:50 No.16434421 Report

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>>16434374
It better be on the field at all times, because if you have something else then kanga will PuP on the switch and destroy your supposed counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:38:15 No.16434475 Report

Quoted By: >>16434532 >>16434540 >>16434580 >>16434594 >>16434641

>>16434344
I do use Sableye
I wouldn't use sableye if M-Kanga didn't exist

and what M-Kanga team doesn't carry a counter to Sableye, Trevenant, and Gourgeist?

the problem with her is that her lists of counters is so small and easily countered themselves that she only needs 1 pokemon on the enemy team removed to pull off a full sweep with little to no effort

>>16434374
so you mean you run someone who cant OHKO her and then gets OHKOd by her?

also you have to somehow get said fighting type in front of her.
and since there is no fighting ghost she could honestly spam return and still OHKO things that resist it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:40:22 No.16434532 Report

Quoted By: >>16434561 >>16434618 >>16434690

>>16434475
>I wouldn't use sableye if M-Kanga didn't exist
Well, that's your own fucking fault for not realizing it's such a great pokemon. Why the hell do you think it was borderline OU last gen before megas even existed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:40:39 No.16434540 Report

Quoted By: >>16434618 >>16434690

>>16434475
>I wouldn't use sableye if M-Kanga didn't exist
then you're fucing dumb, Sableye does so much work on my team it's unbelievable. I spread burn on entire teams with that pokemon. Although you probably run the standard foul play set, which I think is shit, I replace foul play with another one of my secret's which also allows me to stall out strong special attackers as well. Basically if you don't have STAB fairy moves you're fucked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:41:25 No.16434561 Report

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>>16434532
because there are better pranksters
that do more for a team other than act as a dedicated counter to one broken pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:42:21 No.16434580 Report

Quoted By: >>16434690

>>16434475
Your shit is showing dear retard

Sableye is one of the most annoying things right know and can easily ruin entire teams. Shitting on Kangaskhan is just one of the many things it can do

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:42:45 No.16434594 Report

Quoted By: >>16434690

>>16434475
>who cant OHKO her
yes he can

>gets OHKOd by her
no he doesn't

try again fag

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:43:45 No.16434618 Report

Quoted By:

>>16434532
>>16434540
Woah, guys calm down. You're attacking him for recognising a distinct weakness on his team (specifically, to MKahn) and for choosing a suitable pokemon to fill that weakness with. Sableye doesn't have to go on every team guys, and we're sold on its strengths, so lay off

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:44:15 No.16434632 Report

Quoted By: >>16434690

>>16434306
Because Ferrothorn has never had any use beyond countering M-kanga, right?

Don't post about competitive pokemon again please

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:44:25 No.16434641 Report

Quoted By: >>16434690

>>16434475
>also you have to somehow get said fighting type in front of her.
it's called a revenge kill you fucking inbred mognoloid

don't tell me you can't find a single pokemon that outspeeds a fucking slow as shit base 100 speed pokemon and kills it in one hit because it has zero defensive investment

Helel

Helel Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:45:23 No.16434659 Report

Quoted By: >>16434744

>>16434210
Actually, I ran into one today that managed to take an adamant, fully invested Azumarill's aqua jet to the face and survive. Plus it's immune to extreme speed and mach punch. What priority moves does that leave?

Sucker punch isn't reliable enough. Substitute, Disable, Perish Song and Destiny Bond all go through it and most if not all sets will run at least one of those moves.

Bullet punch still works. Scizor and M-Lucario could both feasibly take out M-Gengar. Haven't run the calcs myself.

Ice Shard coming off of anything won't be able to OHKO it.

There are maybe 3 useful counters to M-Gengar I can think of off the top of my head (Tyranitar w/pursuit, scizor w/pursuit or bullet punch, M-Lucario w/bullet punch).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:46:26 No.16434690 Report

Quoted By: >>16434819 >>16434865 >>16434940

>>16434594
since you cant run Terrakion yet you are a liar

>>16434532
>>16434540
>>16434580
Sableye is cool and is nice support but is not Klefki or fucking Whimsicott after the pokebank comes out

there are better pranksters

>>16434632
forced to use rocky helmet which is shit compared to leftovers

>>16434641
thats if she didn't somehow get a fucking PuP on the last thing she killed which since you are revenging is basically a 100% chance that she did

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:46:29 No.16434693 Report

Quoted By: >>16434881

Why are people talking about Sableye instead of Klefki? Klefki ruins all megas, and a lot of regular Pokemon too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:48:38 No.16434744 Report

Quoted By: >>16437151

>>16434659
>There are maybe 3 useful counters to M-Gengar I can think of off the top of my head
I'll say it every time this discussion is brought up; the only counter to Mega Gengar is having U-turn or Baton Pass on your physical and special walls, that's the only way to counter it. Otherwise a smart player puts it in battle and you're fucking fucked, you can talk about pursuit TTar all you want, it will never see Gengar in battle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:51:45 No.16434819 Report

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>>16434690
Your better pranksters have WoW.

Hell Klefki doens't even has taunt. You talking like they are definitely better when it's not.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:53:17 No.16434861 Report

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I get to post this so soon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:53:35 No.16434865 Report

Quoted By: >>16434914 >>16434950 >>16435006 >>16435070

>>16434690
>thats if she didn't somehow get a fucking PuP on the last thing she killed which since you are revenging is basically a 100% chance that she did
Why the fuck does power up punch matter if you outspeed and OHKO
Can your brain not handle logical statements or what?

>but muh sucker punch!

ADAMENT +2 BOOSTED KANGSKHAN DOESN'T EVEN 2-HIT-K.O. FUCKING *NO DEFENSIVE INVESTMENT* MIENSHAO WITH SUCKER PUNCH

YES, THAT'S RIGHT, MIENSHAO THE FUCKING POKEMON WITH BASE 60 DEFENSE AND BASE 65 H.P., IS NOT EVEN ****2 HIT KNOCKED-OUT**** BY A PPPLLLLLLLLUSSSSSSSSSSSSSS TWOOOOOOOOOO BOOSTED KANGASKHAN

MEANWHILE MIENSHAO ANALLY FUCKS KANGASKHAN IN 1 HIT EVEN IF IT PUT MAXIMUM INVESTMENT IN HP AND DEFENSE

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:54:13 No.16434881 Report

Quoted By: >>16435922

>>16434693
Klefki is for screens. Every other prankster is better for gimping.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:54:56 No.16434903 Report

Quoted By:

>>16432009
If he eats pikachu where the fuck does he go?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:55:18 No.16434914 Report

Quoted By: >>16435057

>>16434865
>he thinks M-Kanga will stay in on such an obvious high jump kick

you are bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:55:51 No.16434940 Report

Quoted By: >>16436077

>>16434690
>since you cant run Terrakion yet you are a liar
I run "any fighting pokemon with higher than base 100 speed," which is not OHKO'ed by sucker punch and which OHKO's with literally any fighting move that has base 80 power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:55:58 No.16434950 Report

Quoted By: >>16435138

>>16434865
>a pokemon being easy to revenge kill makes it balanced

Yeah, in 3v3 maybe. The point you're arguing is retarded. I guess since Deoxys-A is easy to revenge kill we should just allow him in OU, huh?

Fuck, he gets OHKO'd by basically anything. Such an easy revenge kill. To NU with him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:57:26 No.16435006 Report

Quoted By: >>16435078

>>16434865
If the're both Jolly and Kangaskhan uses return there's a slight chance it will kill.
:T

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 02:59:48 No.16435057 Report

Quoted By: >>16435138

>>16434914
>admits that the pokemon totally counters kangaskhan
>UHH BUT IT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE THE POKEMON DOESN'T HAVE SHADOW TAG TO KEEP IT FROM SWITCHING xD xD

You're fucking gay. You can say that about any pokemon and its counter unless the counter is a pursuit trapping fucking scarfed T-tar. Yeah and btw, not much in the game likes switching into a High Jump Kick from base 140 attack.

>Gliscor should be uber because he can switch out of his counter xD

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:00:19 No.16435070 Report

Quoted By: >>16435149

>>16434865
+2 252+ Atk Mega Kangaskhan Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mienshao: 140-165 (51.4 - 60.6%)

Nice to know you're just flat out lying now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:00:54 No.16435078 Report

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>>16435006
yeah i'm not total shit at the game so I set up stealth rocks, try again.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:01:17 No.16435084 Report

Quoted By: >>16435235

>>16432009
OH FUCK YOU NO THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS?

Nothing, I'm still going to use it online ranked matches or not.

Who fucking cares what smogon does, They're only useful for builds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:03:24 No.16435138 Report

Quoted By: >>16435220

>>16435057
See
>>16434950

You cannot switch in on Kangaskhan if your name isn't physically bulky ghost type. There are only a handful of physically bulky ghost types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:03:40 No.16435149 Report

Quoted By: >>16435174 >>16435204 >>16435264 >>16435323

>>16435070
There will only be one SP since the first one will fail on the switch and one of them is dying after HJK is done

Any other attack will destroy it on the switch so it's only a revenge killer

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:04:38 No.16435174 Report

Quoted By: >>16435251 >>16435255

>>16435149
>the first one will fail on the switch

>A pokemon is balanced because I can out-predict my opponent

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:05:40 No.16435204 Report

Quoted By: >>16435323

>>16435149
Doesn't change that you're blatantly lying.

>inb4 "it wasn't me!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:06:08 No.16435220 Report

Quoted By: >>16435313

>>16435138
Yeah? You can't switch in on Gliscor unless you're a physically bulky poison/grass type, steels fear earthquake and everyone else fears toxic

NOBODY can switch in on rotom-w unless you're a special wall, even those fear trick scarf

Tell me who likes to switch in on Mega-Lucario with a +2 boost? Yeah I'm sure you want to take a +2 adaptability close combat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:06:33 No.16435235 Report

Quoted By:

>>16435084
This anon gets it
The only thing a ban means is that you can't use them in tournaments, and even then, they might use another ban list other than smogen
ranked and online matches are great for this reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:06:56 No.16435251 Report

Quoted By:

>>16435174
>can't predict
>say it's uber

And nobody will run Mienshao as a counter tho since it can switch on anything. He was probably just talking about how a +2 SP isn't the end of the world since it can't even kill a frail pokemon

And yes it wasn't me. Not everyone here is a retard like you

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:07:10 No.16435255 Report

Quoted By:

>>16435174
>>A pokemon is balanced because I can out-predict my opponent
yeah pretty much

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:07:33 No.16435264 Report

Quoted By: >>16435334

>>16435149
so you assume he SP on your switch in for the revenge?

are you retarded?

why would he SP
why wouldn't he just EQ or Return?

like I said before

you are bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:09:30 No.16435313 Report

Quoted By: >>16435393

>>16435220
>Yeah? You can't switch in on Gliscor unless you're a physically bulky poison/grass type

What the fuck are you talking about? Holy shit do you even play pokemon?

First of all, both of those are shit answers to Gliscor and I thank you for letting everyone know how shit you are at this game for thinking that.

Second, beating gliscor comes down to any water/ice type that is faster than it is and can take a hit from it.

Gliscor isn't that fast and doesn't hit that hard, especially stall varients.

You're retarded and know fucking nothing about this game on a level above "babby"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:09:53 No.16435323 Report

Quoted By: >>16435395

>>16435204
holy shit, I forgot to put parental bond on the calculator, fucking sue me fag

It still doesn't kill and it still gets killed in one hit, this changes nothing.

Also consider that I ASSUMED A +2 BOOST!
Power up Punch is a weak attack that won't kill anything. That leaves Kanga open to being hit by Will-o-wisp, an attack, or whatever. It's a big cost and risk to try to power up punch. Also I carry Quagsire on my team anyway so it doesn't fucking matter how many power up punches he gets.

and yeah this other guy is actually not me >>16435149

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:10:11 No.16435334 Report

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>>16435264
There are many reasons as to why he would be SPing but it doesn't matter since nobody will switch in Mienshao

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:12:36 No.16435393 Report

Quoted By: >>16435431

>>16435313
>beating gliscor comes down to any water/ice type that is faster than it is and can take a hit from it.
Yeah because last I heard those pokemon love getting toxic poison in their face when they switch in, only to have Gliscor switch out and leave you with nothing.

It's the same fucking scenario you are saying with Mega Kanga, only difference is "it's cute to hate Mega Kanga now so I'll bandwagon because I'm trendy"
Love your insistence that I'm a babby when I'm totally right and you just proved my point, it's like you've never faced a Gliscor in your life. You can kill Gliscor with good prediction, that's what it REALLY takes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:12:45 No.16435395 Report

Quoted By: >>16435498

>>16435323
Oh wow.

I forgot to put parental bond in the calculator too.

You're caught lying again. How embarrassing.

+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mienshao: 210-247 (77.2 - 90.8%)
(210, 213, 214, 217, 220, 222, 225, 228, 229, 232, 235, 237, 240, 243, 244, 247)

The combination of PuP and Sucker punch will kill Mienshao 100% of the time. Mienshao will never switch in to Kangaskhan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:14:06 No.16435431 Report

Quoted By: >>16435601

>>16435393
>love getting toxic poison in their face

Stopped reading there. Unless you're a bulky sweeper or a wall you don't give a shit about toxic. You are bad at pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:17:07 No.16435498 Report

Quoted By: >>16435549 >>16435572 >>16435582 >>16435606

>>16435395
Oh jesus fucking christ who cares
>making a mistake is epic lying xDDd you are le epic liar!!! xD

Fuck off cunt, I said Mienshao as just 1 example, turns out I'm wrong. Woo big fucking deal, do you know how much other shit kills Mega Kanga? I've never had a single fucking problem with that pokemon in my life, my rating is 1,900 in pre-pokebank OU. I'm not great but not a trash can either, I definitely play against people who know how to use that pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:19:26 No.16435549 Report

Quoted By: >>16435645

>>16435498
>making a mistake

But you didn't make a mistake. You just like, lied.

Making a mistake would be forgetting to put parental bond in the calculator, which is exactly what I did.

You claimed to have made that mistake before I posted the correct calculations.

You lied to cover your own ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:20:31 No.16435572 Report

Quoted By:

>>16435498
>my rating is 1900 in pre-pokebank OU

1. that's shit

2. Post it then. Battle somebody.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:20:48 No.16435582 Report

Quoted By:

>>16435498
Get a load of this faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:21:35 No.16435601 Report

Quoted By: >>16435624 >>16435668

>>16435431
>what is chip damage

thanks for being a retard, retards like you are the reason why my status spread team works as well as it does
after 2 turns of toxic poison, scarf excadrill kills pretty much everything in the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:21:47 No.16435606 Report

Quoted By: >>16435630 >>16435670 >>16435770

>>16435498
there is literally no other fighting type currently available with over 100 base speed

the only other fighting type with over that speed is Infernape who is deadly afraid of the EQ

she shits on the whole game basically by herself

and you still have 5 other slots to fill with things that kill the few things to stop her

she is broken
more broken than M-Gengar by far

where M-Gengar was at minimum 1 guaranteed kill vs defensive/stall teams
M-Kanga kills whole teams by herself if they do not run a surefire counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:22:40 No.16435624 Report

Quoted By:

>>16435601
>scarf excadrill

Holy shit, okay, you had me going for a bit there, but you got me to laugh in the end so it's okay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:22:46 No.16435630 Report

Quoted By: >>16435772

>>16435606
Too bad she has counters unlike gengar

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:23:17 No.16435645 Report

Quoted By: >>16435761

>>16435549
>But you didn't make a mistake. You just like, lied.
>Making a mistake would be forgetting to put parental bond in the calculator, which is exactly what I did.
>You claimed to have made that mistake before I posted the correct calculations.
>You lied to cover your own ass.
k, not really but whatever. you're going to insist a bunch of bullshit that's not true, I really don't fucking care, I already conceded that mienshao dies to a +2 boosted kanga, I still think you're shit for letting kanga get a +2 boost in the first place but that's okay. I wouldn't put mienshao in front of her now, I'd just switch to sableye or quagsire who both laugh at it.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:24:09 No.16435668 Report

Quoted By: >>16436095

>>16435601
>scarf excadrill

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:24:19 No.16435670 Report

Quoted By: >>16435772 >>16435814

>>16435606
>WHAT'S A SCARF JIMMY
>WOOOAH JEEZ I DON'T KNOW TOMMY
>WELL GUESS I BETTER GET SWEPT BY KANGA CUZ I AM SHIT ;(((

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:25:56 No.16435715 Report

Quoted By:

>>16434207
Sounds like you rely on Kangaskhan

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:27:35 No.16435761 Report

Quoted By: >>16435805

>>16435645

>Quagsire

252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 216-253 (54.8 - 64.2%)
(216, 217, 220, 222, 225, 226, 229, 231, 235, 238, 240, 243, 244, 247, 249, 253)

That's with no boosts.

Holy shit stop fucking lying. You obviously don't even own the game. You have never done any of these things. You have never played against Mega Kangaskhan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:27:52 No.16435770 Report

Quoted By:

>>16435606
>there is no pokemon in the game besides mienshao that learns a fighting type move and has over base 100 speed
>nope, it's not possible

Even within fighting type, there is mega lucario in pre-pokebank, and Terrakion + Infernape in pokebank OU. That doesn't even count the non-fighting types who learn fighting moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:27:57 No.16435772 Report

Quoted By: >>16435823 >>16435880

>>16435670
>using a scarf

please tell me on who you would use it?
because I can almost guarantee you that there is a better item for them to use and the only justifiable reason you would have to run scarf on them is for M-Kanga, hence being forced to run a dedicated counter, hence centralizing the metagame

>>16435630
M-Gengar has more counters than she does and, while broken, isn't as broken as she is

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:29:12 No.16435805 Report

Quoted By: >>16435857

>>16435761
With leftovers I can recover stall it, although I've never had a problem because I always burn Kanga first with Sableye before redirecting to Quagsire. This is why your calculations are inaccurate, you don't know shit about my team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:29:29 No.16435814 Report

Quoted By: >>16435848

>>16435670
Yeah let me run scarf machamp and scarf lucario just to check

That's check, not counter, fucking CHECK

MegaKhan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:29:51 No.16435823 Report

Quoted By: >>16435875

>>16435772
>shadow tag
>counters
Keep using words you don't understand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:30:44 No.16435848 Report

Quoted By: >>16435875 >>16436039

>>16435814
or you could just run 1 ghost and totally wall it, plus get a free sub and leech seed/burn/toxic/taunt whatever comes in

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:31:02 No.16435857 Report

Quoted By: >>16435908

>>16435805
>running both sableye and quagsire

>two pokemon with the same fucking job

>on the same fucking team

>to counter a single pokemon

You're retarded.

>recover stalling against a 2HKO

And you're lying again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:31:36 No.16435875 Report

Quoted By: >>16435934

>>16435823
>other ghosts
>volt switch
>u-turn
>baton pass

please stop
you clearly don't know what you are talking about

>>16435848
better hope she isn't the crunch variant or you die

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:31:53 No.16435880 Report

Quoted By:

>>16435772
Nice to know you're shit and don't know what's a counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:31:59 No.16435882 Report

Quoted By:

>>16434419
it has better stats because it doesn't have shadow tag, essentially, or a STAB sludge bomb to absolutely destroy fairy type walls

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:32:42 No.16435908 Report

Quoted By: >>16436093

>>16435857
>>recover stalling against a 2HKO
>And you're lying again.

Yeah because leftovers totally don't allow me to recover stall up to 55.9% damage

>LOL U R LE EPIC LYING AGAIN!!!!! Xfddddd
>ANYTHING YOU SAY THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH [which is actually possible if I would rub 2 brain cells together] I WILL SAY IS A LE EPIC LIE

based retard bro

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:33:03 No.16435922 Report

Quoted By:

>>16434881
klefki can have screens yeah but it's good to just get off t-wave before putting them up, as potent to sweepers as will o wisp really

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:33:44 No.16435934 Report

Quoted By: >>16435991

>>16435875
>better hope she isn't the crunch variant or you die
oh boy it's the same discussion again, we're going to assume mega kanga is running every set at one time and that you can't possibly scout or know anything about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:36:05 No.16435991 Report

Quoted By: >>16436011 >>16436028 >>16436073

>>16435934
you can scout her, but scouts are basically just sacrifices to her

also you have to hope that your answer to her isn't countered by her set

which is one of the reasons she is so broken is because she can stop her own counters and you have to gamble hoping that the one you are facing isn't designed to shit on the thing you have to stop her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:37:31 No.16436011 Report

Quoted By:

>>16435991
yeah well this entire game is pretty much a coin flip as far as I understand it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:38:02 No.16436028 Report

Quoted By:

>>16435991
So the story of every competent sweeper out there

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:38:22 No.16436039 Report

Quoted By: >>16436130

>>16435848
>one ghost a totally wall it

Lets go over the ghosts that can "wall" Khan.

Subdisable Gengar with Black Sludge-provided they weren't smart and smacked you with scrappy on the switch but we'll go with it

Sableye

Dusknoir/Duskclops

Total defense cofagrigus (unavailable)

Trevenant

Ghourgiest
That's a lot, right?

No, it's not, and I'll tell you why.

Notice that all of those pokemon, with the exception of Gengar, have the same EXACT role: a physically defensive ghost type.

These pokemon all have the same exact counters. Sableye fares better than most.

This is what overcentralization is. I'm glad you get a fucking flavor selection in your team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:40:05 No.16436073 Report

Quoted By:

>>16435991
well, most sweepers that are good are also like that
Take Charizard for instance, should you switch in Rotom-W, who is reasonably good against charizard X? What if he is actually Charizard Y though, and he chooses solar beam. There's no great way to know, it's just a coin flip.
MixMence can fire blast ferrothorn and skarmory, even mega venusaur (lol) can sludge bomb on the talonflame that comes to kill it and do about 60% I think. Most good sweepers have coverage moves that let them dent their counters. There are only a few rare cases where that's not true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:40:10 No.16436077 Report

Quoted By: >>16436141 >>16436227 >>16436258

>>16434940
mega lucario is a direct counter in every way, sucker punch doesn't phaze him and with reflect support even more so, while 240 BASE POWER close combat on even a timid lucario is enough to 1 hit KO it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:40:31 No.16436093 Report

Quoted By: >>16436152

>>16435908
So you can recover stall if megakhan gets minimal damage rolls literally every time it hits you.

Like I said, you don't play pokemon. If you played pokemon, you would know how shallow your lies are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:40:32 No.16436095 Report

Quoted By:

>>16435668
So? I run scarf Volcarona and it wrecks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:41:50 No.16436130 Report

Quoted By: >>16436178

>>16436039
well the bulky ghost is just 1 counter, you can also run ferro with a rocky helmet who does a lot of work. Skarmory performs the same way. All the ghosts just have good burns, that's why I suggest them, that's how I always deal with kangaskhan

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:42:27 No.16436141 Report

Quoted By: >>16436189 >>16436260

>>16436077
>direct counter

>can't switch in to Earthquake, one of MKhan's best coverage moves

Check =/= Counter. Why won't people fucking learn this.

Even if you switch in on a resisted move, you are slower until you go mega. You have to take a second hit from Khan.

MLucario is a shit fucking answer to MKhan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:43:03 No.16436152 Report

Quoted By:

>>16436093
are you having fun with this discussion bro?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:44:10 No.16436178 Report

Quoted By:

>>16436130
You deal with Kangaskhan by running a bulky ghost and sacrificing the most valuable item Ferrothorn and Skarmory can hold.

I'm glad that you're still able to have fun in an overcentralized meta, but most of us aren't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:44:38 No.16436189 Report

Quoted By: >>16436217 >>16436295

>>16436141
oh, so go ahead and assume he has mega'd already but lucario didn't

Gotta love it. Every time we talk about an OP pokemon, whiners always assume it has 9 moves and mega evolved on a free turn while taking no status or damage from anything, has perfect prediction and all the coverage moves that destroy your whole team, plus 252 ev's in all stats

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:46:01 No.16436217 Report

Quoted By: >>16436383

>>16436189
no you are calling him a counter

which implies that Lucario can switch in on Kanga and then kill it or force it out with 0% chance of getting killed by it

which isn't true at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:46:23 No.16436227 Report

Quoted By:

>>16436077
Mega Luke needs to already be mega evolved, or Kanga will be faster the first turn and just kill you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:47:05 No.16436238 Report

Quoted By:

>>16435915
yes pls

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:48:05 No.16436258 Report

Quoted By: >>16436297 >>16436301

>>16436077

It's not a counter because it can't switch in, but it's a check. A shaky one, at that, because:

>As I said, it can't really switch in.
>Non-Mega Lucario is outsped by Mega-Kangaskhan, so you must have Mega-Evolved him first before letting him deal with Mega-Kangaskhan, and he might not get the opportunity

Interested to see how good Mega-Kangaskhan is once Pokebank comes out, though. Terrakion, Keldeo, and Infernape can all check him, but Mega-Kangaskhan will be getting the elemental punches.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:48:05 No.16436260 Report

Quoted By: >>16436347 >>16436426

>>16436141
pretty much nothing can switch into mega lucario with a swords dance boost, if they can't one hit KO him then they are immediately dead, is mega luke OP now? why do we always assume khangaskan is in an advantageous position

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:48:27 No.16436270 Report

Quoted By: >>16436848

And another broken piece of shit gets thrown in the trash. All we need now is for MegaKan to get the boot and we'll be one step closer to late 4th gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:49:31 No.16436295 Report

Quoted By: >>16436339

>>16436189
Still can't switch in to earthquake. It's a check, not a counter.

Fuck, it can't even switch in to return without losing 50%~

Power up punch takes off 50%~

A +2 sucker punch does around 50%~

Unless MKhan is running a retarded moveset with nothing to hit lucario with but return or suckerpunch WITHOUT PuP, MLucario cannot switch in.

Your counter is not a counter. It is a check. A shaky one at that.

Deoxys-A has a fuckton of checks. Should we let him in OU too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:49:41 No.16436297 Report

Quoted By:

>>16436258
once Terrakion is available she might not be so bad

she is still ban worthy though IMO as we just add a few to a list of already small checks

she needs to go

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:49:50 No.16436301 Report

Quoted By: >>16436355 >>16436376 >>16436419

>>16436258
no thanks, I don't ever want to play pokebank OU, it will be a fagfuck infested shit hole with the gayest pokemon in existence

Just go there now; everyone are being cheeky cunts and putting genesect on their team before it gets banned to ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:51:39 No.16436339 Report

Quoted By: >>16436396

>>16436295
>implying Deoxys-A and Kangaskhan are even on the same level

epic simply epic

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:52:05 No.16436347 Report

Quoted By:

>>16436260
Mega Venusaur actually kinda just waltzes all over Mega Luke, CC is actually Mega Luke's best chance at 2HKOing it, and Mega Saur just OHKOs with EQ vs -1 Luke. Thick fat completely bypasses Ice Punch too. It can switch into Mega Luke with no issue at all. Not to mention that unlike M-Kanga, most scarfers can just put him away without issue. Mega Luke is really isn't that scary after an SD unless your team is shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:52:21 No.16436355 Report

Quoted By:

>>16436301
>I don't want to play vs. things that are powerful
>I just want to use my M-Kanga every game in a metagame with such a limited number of answers she is basically a guaranteed win

that explains it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:53:30 No.16436376 Report

Quoted By: >>16436398

>>16436301
>no thanks, I don't ever want to play pokebank OU, it will be a fagfuck infested shit hole with the gayest pokemon in existence

Then just keep playing on your retarded enviroment which lacks the most basic things

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:53:46 No.16436383 Report

Quoted By: >>16436408 >>16436458 >>16436486

>>16436217
a protect variant could

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:54:22 No.16436396 Report

Quoted By: >>16436463

>>16436339
What's your point?

Your entire argument comes down to revenge killing MKhan.

Deoxys-A is really easy to revenge kill, no? So, since being a target for revenge killers makes you balanced, apparently, we should allow Deoxys-A in standard, because apparently he's balanced in OU.

Oh, and MKhan is way fucking better than Deoxys-A. By fucking a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:54:24 No.16436398 Report

Quoted By:

>>16436376
ok I will

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:54:59 No.16436408 Report

Quoted By: >>16436434

>>16436383
please feel free to run your protect lucario just so you can use him to fight vs. M-Kanga

hence a dedicated counter, hence centralizing the metagame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:55:27 No.16436419 Report

Quoted By:

>>16436301
You know in this meta Gene actually is pretty balanced.

The chances it's going to get banned are high, but not 100%. He's way weaker in a bulkier meta than the all-offense one of Gen V, and priority that kills him is everywhere on the teams that ARE offensive. It's really 50/50 he's going to get banned at this point- so hold on to your shit slinging about Gene until he actually gets the test.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:55:40 No.16436426 Report

Quoted By:

>>16436260

Mega Lucario can't set up and attack at the same time.

Mega Lucario doesn't fucking survive to swords dance most of the time because it's made of paper mâché and old gum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:56:04 No.16436434 Report

Quoted By: >>16436457

>>16436408
you just said it wasn't true at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:56:59 No.16436457 Report

Quoted By: >>16436658

>>16436434
it still isn't

she could EQ you on the switch in and you would die

still a check and not a counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:57:00 No.16436458 Report

Quoted By: >>16436658

>>16436383
>implying lucario isn't already straining for moveslots

>giving up either ghost type coverage or priority in order to beat a single pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:57:13 No.16436463 Report

Quoted By: >>16436620 >>16436681 >>16436751

>>16436396
hahahaha

Deoxys can actually hold an item and survive many revenge killers while doing more damage than Kangaskhan could ever hope to do without stacking PuP on the first turn and being way faster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:57:39 No.16436474 Report

Quoted By:

>tfw pokemon is turning into digimon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 03:58:21 No.16436486 Report

Quoted By: >>16436658

>>16436383
If you want to centralize your sets around beating Mega Kanga, you're welcome to. Since you can hypothetically run Protect JUST for Mega Kanga, it can equally run Substitute JUST for Protect Mega Lucario.

If you can't tell at this point, the argument goes in circles and leads nowhere. That's what over centralization of sets are in a nutshell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:01:15 No.16436574 Report

Quoted By: >>16436645 >>16436657 >>16436668 >>16436676 >>16436698

I don't understand the issue with either of these.
Gengar:
What is scarfed EQ?
What is any scarfed SE attack?
Kangaskhan:
What is Rocky Helmet Ferrothorn/Skarmory?
What is any Medicham, Mienshao, Hitmons, Scrafty, etc...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:02:52 No.16436620 Report

Quoted By: >>16436766

>>16436463
>survive many revenge killers

>252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Deoxys-A: 217-256 (90 - 106.2%)

>implying Deoxys-A wouldn't gladly give up its hold item to hit through substitutes with every attack it has

Look, it's the guy who doesn't play pokemon again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:04:08 No.16436645 Report

Quoted By: >>16436744

>>16436574
Holy shit MKhan and MGar have their checks and counters but fucking everything you just listed was total shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:04:39 No.16436657 Report

Quoted By:

>>16436574

What is switching out? And the only fighting types you listed that can outspeed and kill M-Kanga is Mienshao, and M-Medicham speed ties.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:04:43 No.16436658 Report

Quoted By: >>16436695 >>16436707

>>16436458
>>16436486
protect has value beyond M-Kahn, given that its greater in Multi-battles, it is still a useable move in singles to ensure your mega gets to attack with its buffed speed
>>16436457
already pointed out that lucario can't switch into an EQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:05:22 No.16436668 Report

Quoted By:

>>16436574
This is why smogon basically ignores polls and leaves it to their senior members to decide what's quickbanned.

Let me tell you I'm fucking glad that they do.

Luis-2294-4151-8489

Luis-2294-4151-8489 Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:05:39 No.16436676 Report

Quoted By:

>>16436574

WHAT DON'T YOU GET ABOUT HAVING TO RUN STUPID SETS TO COUNTER THIS SHIT?

Go back to fucking leddit you shitlord

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:05:50 No.16436681 Report

Quoted By: >>16436766 >>16437367

>>16436463
Deo-A can't survive any revenge killers. At all. Deo-N could, but he's just as broken too for that very reason. Mega Kanga has more than double the bulk of Deo-N, who's much bulkier than Deo-A.

With neutral natures:
125 x 1.5 = 523 max attacking stat, which breaks through Multiscale and Focus Sashes. Ability to get to +2 to boost to 1046 attack very easily.

180 x 1.3 = 596 max attacking stat. Much higher, but doesn't have the above qualities, and Deo-A is often stuck going mixed, and no real way to set up due to important coverage not being special.

Is Deo-A better than M-Kanga? Absolutely. Is it by a significant amount? Not really.

A fun fact about M-Kanga: +1 (PuP on switch-in) Crunch 2HKOs 252/252+ Giratina. GIRATINA. The bulkiest Pokemon IN THE GAME. 15% chance of Will-O-Miss, 15% chance to lose to a physical attacker. Doesn't even need rocks. There are Pokemon in Ubers that 2HKO Giratina 0% of the time after rocks. No chance. That's frankly kinda ridiculous.

Socks 2380-3708-6825 (Nosepass, Magcargo, Shuckle)

Socks 2380-3708-6825 (Nosepass, Magcargo, Shuckle) Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:06:37 No.16436695 Report

Quoted By: >>16436743

>>16436658
and?
since he can't switch in on the EQ he isn't a true counter

ever

he is a check

and a iffy one that requires special investment and a wasted moveslot that lucario desperately needs just to fight vs M-Kanga

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:06:44 No.16436698 Report

Quoted By:

>>16436574
What is shadow tag?
It's all fine and good to come up with something that can beat gengar 1v1 but it can't switch in to counter gengar.

Furthermore, you have to hold your scarfer in reserve specifically for m-gar and can't use it for ordinary revenge killing purposes since if you lock it into an attack that doesn't whollop gengar then it's toast

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:07:07 No.16436707 Report

Quoted By:

>>16436658
>mega gets to attack with buffed speed

>when you're fucking giving up extremespeed for it

Stop

Also stop ignoring that Lucario can't switch in to MKhan's second best coverage move

Your lucario is a check. A shitty check. Nothing more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:08:35 No.16436743 Report

Quoted By:

>>16436695
And I wasn't arguing that Mlucario was a counter, I was arguing that a protect variant could force out Kahn, something that the previous person said was not true at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:08:37 No.16436744 Report

Quoted By: >>16436804

>>16436645
>Ferro
>Skarmory
>Mienshao
>Bad

lol no

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:08:58 No.16436751 Report

Quoted By:

>>16436463
>It's a legendary, it has to be bulky!

Holy shit they're right you really don't play pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:09:46 No.16436766 Report

Quoted By: >>16436865 >>16436943 >>16436957 >>16437010

>>16436620
>Deoxys-A
>not holding a sash
>not just using EE if it's actually holding a life orb

I get you're shit but I didn't think it was that bad

>>16436681
>getting 2HKO to a +1 move you're weak to

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:11:14 No.16436804 Report

Quoted By:

>>16436744
Mienshao was already said to be a shitty answer to MKhan. It takes up to 90% from an unboosted sucker punch.

Skarmory and ferro around bad, but rocky helmet is for basically everything other than MKhan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:13:06 No.16436848 Report

Quoted By: >>16436869

>>16436270
Fourth gen was fucking terrible you pleb.
>Garchomp
>Garchomp counter 1
>Garchomp counter 2
>Garchomp check 1
>Garchomp check 2
>Wish support/ filler

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:14:03 No.16436865 Report

Quoted By: >>16437086

>>16436766
Wait.

So its sash is intact.

While it's being revenge killed.

Are you fucking kidding me?

Just stop. You're just embarrassing yourself.

Also, apparently it's holding a life orb and a sash at the same time. Nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:14:09 No.16436869 Report

Quoted By:

>>16436848
Garchomp was bannedi n 4th gen though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:17:58 No.16436943 Report

Quoted By: >>16437086

>>16436766
You're actually arguing right now that it's easier to revenge kill something with 105/100/100 defenses than something with 50/20/20 defenses.

And then you tell other people they are bad at pokemon because clearly 50/20/20 over here is holding a sash (totally great item on anything other than leads and alakazam, brah)

You. Are. Bad. At. Video. Game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:18:26 No.16436957 Report

Quoted By: >>16437086

>>16436766
>sash
>hazards

I get you're shit but I didn't think it was that bad #LEL #MAYMAYS #SICKBURN

You're weaker and less bulky than Mega Kanga as Sash Deo-A, btw. Your only real advantage over Kanga now is the fact that it doesn't take up the mega slot, and it's nullified by the fact that the best Mega right now is Kanga, so it's always worth the mega slot every single time anyways.

Also please note, that Kanga doesn't have STAB on Crunch.

+1 252 SpA Life Orb Mewtwo Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Giratina: 247-291 (49 - 57.7%)

LO Calm Mind Mewtwo needs Stealth Rocks to actually guarantee the 2HKO on Giratina with Shadow Ball. Kanga DOESN'T. Kanga hits harder than LO Mewtwo, but on the physical side. I hope you understand how ludicrous this actually is.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:20:48 No.16437010 Report

Quoted By:

>>16436766
>sash

>on anything other than Alakazam, a lead, or an anti-lead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:21:41 No.16437021 Report

Quoted By: >>16437050 >>16437055

>>16433951
shadow sneak.

Either a one hit ko, a near ko, or more than enough damage to stop gengar from getting a substitute.

There. Literally the easiest to deal with mega evolution out there.

Bullet punch also works, as do most priority moves.

What imaginary Gengars are you guys running up against that are so invincible?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:21:54 No.16437024 Report

Quoted By: >>16437068

You made it, brah.
All those years as a surprisingly powerful underdog that nobody noticed.
All the way up to something people are calling out for a complete bump to Ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:22:11 No.16437031 Report

Quoted By:

ITT: /vp/ tries to act like they know more than Smogon. They don't succeed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:23:14 No.16437050 Report

Quoted By:

>>16437021
Wow! You're right! Now let me just switch in my bullet punch/shadow sneak user!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:23:29 No.16437055 Report

Quoted By: >>16437098 >>16437293

>>16437021
Fun fact: There is no shadow sneak in the game that can KO Mega Gengar, and the ones that can come anywhere close (70%-ish damage) are also things OHKO'd by Shadow Ball. Not to mention, it's getting the substitute on the switch vs whatever your shadow sneaker is, which means that now you did effectively 25% damage and lost a priority user. Congratulations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:24:17 No.16437068 Report

Quoted By:

>>16437024
Just don't be a pompous asshole like Blaziken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:25:59 No.16437086 Report

Quoted By: >>16437135 >>16437169 >>16437207

>>16436865
>Also, apparently it's holding a life orb and a sash at the same time. Nice.

You don't know how to read too. Nice

>>16436943
Then tell me what you run on your Deoxys-A. Literally all of them run that since they are leading basically all the time. His only problem is whe he faces priorty when he just EEs and goes down doing some damage

>>16436957
Tyranitar can also 2HKO Giratina with CB. Many things can 2HKO Giratina. Just because it's a great wall doesn't mean it won't go down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:27:21 No.16437098 Report

Quoted By:

>>16437055
Giratina-O *might* OHKO gengar with SS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:29:57 No.16437135 Report

Quoted By: >>16437157

>>16437086
252+ Atk Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Giratina: 210-248 (41.6 - 49.2%)
(210, 212, 216, 218, 218, 222, 224, 228, 230, 234, 234, 236, 240, 242, 246, 248)

No it can't you fucking liar. This is with 0 defense. You don't play pokemon.

Helel

Helel Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:31:00 No.16437151 Report

Quoted By: >>16437238

>>16434744
That's fucking stupid. So Gengar just switches in with shadow tag? The MOMENT they bring in Gengar you switch to Tyranitar. Until Tyranitar is KO'd your opponent cannot even bring in Gengar to megaevolve it. If that's not a 'hard counter' then I don't know what the fuck is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:31:29 No.16437157 Report

Quoted By: >>16437221

>>16437135
252 Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Giratina: 254-302 (50.3 - 59.9%)

I even made it jolly to make fun of you

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:32:04 No.16437169 Report

Quoted By: >>16437253

>>16437086
>what you run on your deoxys-A

Not a fucking sash when it's in the same tier as Deoxys-S, fuckhead.

Are you the guy everyone is saying doesn't play pokemon? I'm beginning to believe them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:34:18 No.16437207 Report

Quoted By: >>16437253

>>16437086
Kanga also has better speed, priority, and can switch moves after using Crunch. And it doesn't even have STAB on Crunch.

Yeah, I'm not seeing the similarities between CB TTar and M-Kanga here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:34:48 No.16437221 Report

Quoted By: >>16437253 >>16437367

>>16437157
So you're agreeing that Kangaskhan's unboosted non-STAB crunch hits as hard as Tyranitar's +1 STAB crunch.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:36:18 No.16437236 Report

Quoted By:

Holy fuck people in this thread are retarded.

There is literally nothing that M-Khan and M-Gengar have in common other than both being megas. M-Gengar was quickbanned not because it 6-0's teams without effort (it really doesn't lol), it's because it can snipe AT LEAST two Pokemon that's bad for sweepers like Lucario, Dragonite, you name it. The only thing that was "balancing" M-Gengar is because about 80% of the players using him are shit. The rest of them (the ones that use Substitute and shit) go up to the 2000's and above with absolutely no effort.

M-Khan is a straight sweeper. It's fucking ridiculous and likely to get suspected imo, but there are ways to deal with it, especially in pre-bank. It's susceptible to status above all, and things like Rocky Helmet Garchomp are starting to become popular (and not just for M-Khan)

You cannot "deal" with M-Gengar if your opponent isn't a drooling moron. Shadow Tag means it has absolute control over who it wants to kill, and it will. Most priority can't OHKO, it has moves out the arse to fuck any "checks" you're carrying (like Scizor), and has Destiny Bond to take out a second or even third mon on your team. And no smart player is going to try to trap a Volt-Turner or something with priority anyway.

M-Gengar got quickbanned because 1) it's horrible for the metagame and we really do not need any more hyper-offence bullshit for another two months and 2) a suspect test would've ended in a 100% vote of GO STRAIGHT TO UBERS, DO NOT PASS GO, DO NOT COLLECT 200 DOLLARS. Suspect tests take a long-ass time to conduct, and doing that on something that was going to get banned anyway is a waste of time.

Now you can all go home and stop replying to this terrible thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:36:22 No.16437238 Report

Quoted By: >>16437419

>>16437151
Tyranitar loses to the perishtrapper set 100% of the time because it's too damn slow if you're switching it in.

The one that's basically responsible for the ban of Gengarite.

Yeah, no.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:36:41 No.16437241 Report

Quoted By: >>16437303 >>16437306

>One easily set-up move makes entire typings useless in meta
>Perfectly acceptable
>New thing forces shift in meta
>"W-we're gonna ban it, too OP!"
I was okay with Swift Swim but this is too far.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:37:41 No.16437253 Report

Quoted By: >>16437287 >>16437312

>>16437169
So what do you run?

>>16437221
If it were a +1 it's getting closer to 1HKO if I just change to adamant after rocks.

>>16437207
There are other things doing a lot of damage just in OU. That's not reason to get them banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:40:19 No.16437287 Report

Quoted By: >>16437329

>>16437253
So MKhan's unboosted crunch is *slightly* weaker than +1 Tyranitar's crunch.

Yeah, you're obviously just being dense on purpose because you don't want to admit that you're wrong.

Also, apparently you don't play pokemon. I'm inclined to agree.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:40:38 No.16437293 Report

Quoted By:

>>16437055
Not one of the asshats trying to say Gengar is "balanced," just wondered, not even M-Banette's Shadow Sneak deals more than that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:41:18 No.16437303 Report

Quoted By:

>>16437241
>>One easily set-up move makes entire typings useless in meta
>>Perfectly acceptable
Yes, we all know how Volcanora and Talonflame are plummeting down to NU as we speak.
>implying sneaky pebbles aren't easier than ever to clear off

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:41:23 No.16437306 Report

Quoted By: >>16437982

>>16437241
They have a No-SR tier on showdown, you know.

Smogon doesn't like to ban moves outside of evasion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:41:39 No.16437312 Report

Quoted By:

>>16437253
Kanga also outdamages everything else allowed in OU, while also generally also being bulkier than them. While also having multi-hit moves unlike them. Not to mention also being faster than a good chunk of them. And even moreso, being able to reliably set-up unlike a lot of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:42:47 No.16437329 Report

Quoted By: >>16437379 >>16437443

>>16437287
+1 252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Giratina: 420-494 (83.3 - 98%)
(420, 422, 428, 434, 438, 444, 450, 452, 458, 464, 468, 474, 480, 482, 488, 494)

252+ Atk Mega Kangaskhan Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Giratina: 120-142 (23.8 - 28.1%)
(120, 122, 122, 124, 126, 126, 128, 130, 132, 132, 134, 136, 136, 138, 140, 142)
>add the next attack to mayb 40-50

Sure slightly weaker you could say

Helel

Helel Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:44:42 No.16437367 Report

Quoted By: >>16437443

>>16437221
See:
>>16436681
>A fun fact about M-Kanga: +1 (PuP on switch-in) Crunch 2HKOs 252/252+ Giratina. GIRATINA.
>+1 (PuP on switch in)

He's agreeing that a +1 (jolly) tyranitar is about equal to a +1 (nature not specified) M-Kangha.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:45:21 No.16437379 Report

Quoted By:

>>16437329
>+1 Choice Band TTar
>Other guy replying to you fucked up the fact M-Kanga is supposed to be +1 and you're playing off of that
>Not even putting Kanga at +1 in order to simulate parental bond

Helel

Helel Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:46:38 No.16437419 Report

Quoted By: >>16437464 >>16437503

>>16437238
Tyranitar ties with the perishtrapper set 100% of the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:47:34 No.16437443 Report

Quoted By:

>>16437367
Missed that part.
>>16437329
Also using some retarded as fuck calculator. MKhan does around 40% with an unboosted crunch.

Tyranitar does around 50% with an unboosted STAB crunch. This is the most powerful crunch in the game.

It also gets that same power in fucking priority form.

I fail to see what you aren't understanding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:48:11 No.16437464 Report

Quoted By: >>16437503 >>16437550

>>16437419
Some people run disable in the last slot for this very reason. Beats Pursuit flat out at the cost of being taunt bait.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:49:39 No.16437503 Report

Quoted By: >>16437569 >>16437648

>>16437464
I'm arguing against MGar as well as the anon you replied to and I just want to point out that you're retarded.

>>16437419
What an excellent fucking answer to it, am I right?

Helel

Helel Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:51:56 No.16437550 Report

Quoted By: >>16437650

>>16437464
So?
>Anon sent out Tyranitar. A sandstream brews.
>Gengar is reacting to FAGGOT's mega ring.
>M-Gengar used Perish Song.
>M-Gengar used protect/substitute/whatever
>Tyranitar used EQ. M-Gengar's substitute faded
>M-Gengar used protect/substitute/whatever
>Tyranitar used EQ. M-Gengar's substitute faded.
>M-Gengar, return
>Tyranitar used Pursuit

Yes, I'm not hitting pursuit every time so if FAGGOT wanted they could switch out M-Gengar early and go to a tyranitar counter, but doing so also saves tyranitar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:52:51 No.16437569 Report

Quoted By:

>>16437503
What on earth is retarded about what I said. All I literally said was people run Disable to beat Pursuit, and people actually DO run Disable to beat Pursuit. What.

Helel

Helel Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:57:05 No.16437648 Report

Quoted By: >>16437686 >>16437705

>>16437503
Considering it effectively deals with every potential set that M-Gengar is running, outright beats every set other than one very specific set and, in the case of that one specific set, gets to do other shit in the match before 1 for 1ing M-Gengar?

Yeah, I'd say that's a pretty good answer. There is literally no situation in which a competent player running M-Gengar has a net gain against a competent player running Tyranitar with pursuit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:57:16 No.16437650 Report

Quoted By: >>16437689

>>16437550
Doesn't change the fact that it's a shitty answer to MGar.

Wow, you are forced to sacrifice your pursuit user. Your priority user will blatantly lose 50% of the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:59:13 No.16437686 Report

Quoted By: >>16437755 >>16437782 >>16437787

>>16437648
Suiciding is not a fucking answer.

I guess my choice band adamant Forretress named "I AM BOMB" who's only move is explosion is a great fucking revenge killer, huh?

Helel

Helel Tue 03 Dec 2013 04:59:16 No.16437689 Report

Quoted By: >>16437757

>>16437650
So I lost a tyranitar that has potentially done other stuff in the game while you lose the only mega on your team in a 1 for 1 exchange. That's a good answer by any reasonable definition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:00:15 No.16437705 Report

Quoted By:

>>16437648
>There is literally no situation in which a competent player running M-Gengar has a net gain against a competent player running Tyranitar with pursuit.
>people actually believe this
Yes, being 2HKO'd by Focus Blast behind a Sub and/or getting your pursuit-trapper killed because Mega Asshole used Destiny Bond, etc. is a net loss for the Gengar user.

Could say the same about Scizor (which gets 2-shot by Shadow Ball), and CB Bullet Punch can't even OHKO. Now you've lost your pursuit user and Latios is waiting in the wings. What now?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:02:20 No.16437752 Report

Quoted By:

Tip for easily beating M-khan: Don't be faggot git gud, scrub.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:02:24 No.16437755 Report

Quoted By: >>16437764

>>16437686
>I guess my choice band adamant Forretress named "I AM BOMB" who's only move is explosion
I kinda want to run this....

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:02:28 No.16437757 Report

Quoted By:

>>16437689
Now you're being swept by Volcanora/Latios/whateverthefuck T-Tar checks. 1-for-1 is a huge advantage -because you killed whatever was obstructing another pokemon's sweep.- Gengar doesn't need to last long to do that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:03:07 No.16437764 Report

Quoted By:

>>16437755
It's hilarious.

People still try to switch in their taunt users and magic bouncers.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:03:52 No.16437782 Report

Quoted By:

>>16437686
>I AM BOMB
>not ALLAHU AKBAR

Helel

Helel Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:03:56 No.16437787 Report

Quoted By: >>16437828 >>16437855

>>16437686
If forretress somehow had sturdy and shadow tag? Yeah it would actually be pretty good at revenge killing non-ghosts.

The point of a counter is that they switch in on a threat (M-Gengar) and force the threat to switch out or die. Tyranitar does exactly that. Claiming that suiciding somehow makes it bad is stupid. Would it be better if tyranitar was guaranteed to survive? Yeah of course, but 1 for 1ing your opponent's biggest threat without using your own mega is an excellent trade in pretty much every circumstance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:06:16 No.16437828 Report

Quoted By: >>16437923

>>16437787
>Tyranitar does exactly that

Unless MGar switches out.

And it only has to switch out once.

Then your fucking Tyranitar can't do shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:07:19 No.16437855 Report

Quoted By: >>16437962

>>16437787
>your opponent's biggest threat

>because fucking tyranitar is such a useless pansy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:10:35 No.16437923 Report

Quoted By:

>>16437828
>switching out
>vs. T-tar

what is pursuit

Helel

Helel Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:12:39 No.16437962 Report

Quoted By: >>16438017 >>16438070

>>16437855
Even if tyranitar was your own biggest asset, that doesn't affect the validity of my claim. If, as everyone is claiming, M-Gengar is clearly ubers material with no counters ever and singlehandedly destroys entire teams with Perish Song + Shadow Tag, then it's clearly a bigger threat than all the other shit in OU because if it wasn't it wouldn't have been banned.

If you can 1 for 1 your opponent's biggest threat, even if you lose your own biggest threat in the process (which isn't necessarily true since OU is full of dudes at least as good as Tyranitar) you don't have a net loss.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:13:45 No.16437982 Report

Quoted By: >>16438038

>>16437306
I don't understand why they ban evasion either.

Frustrating as it is, it's not that different from all of the other shit they ban.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:15:16 No.16438017 Report

Quoted By:

>>16437962
Nobody says it has no counters you mong.

The point is that its counters are too few and far between. All the people going "any priority or pursuit user" are full of shit.

Tyranitar can't even come close to a OHKO with pursuit unless it switches out, BTW. Better hope it doesn't have focus miss or disable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:15:59 No.16438028 Report

Quoted By:

Smogon still rebanned latias back in gen 4 even with scarftar running around everywhere. Not to mention banning mence after explicitly stating that scizor is a hard check. Still salty about that but as a hyper offense mamoswine user I never understood the hubbub.

If you're required to run pursuit tar to deal with mgengar then that's over-centralization, which smogon considers bad.

I don't mind mgar being banned under the support clause. The quickban was obviously a sign of severe butthurt as opposed to rationality though. Mkanga does not deserve to be banned in any sense of the word.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:16:20 No.16438038 Report

Quoted By:

>>16437982
Because it's annoying and unfun.

That's actually the reason. Smogon acknowledges that evasion spam will actually fail the user most of the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:17:56 No.16438070 Report

Quoted By:

>>16437962
>singlehandedly destroys entire teams
Please repeat this very clearly in your mind so as to learn and memorise this fact.

THAT'S NOT WHAT IT FUCKING DOES YOU COCK. IT DOESN'T FUCKING NEED TO. IT'S A SNIPER THAT GETS RID OF SHIT THAT KEEPS OTHER POKEMON FROM SWEEPING. THAT'S IT'S ONLY PURPOSE AND IT DOES THIS WITH 100% EFFICACY. THERE IS NO ANSWER TO THIS BECAUSE OF SHADOW TAG COMBINED WITH ITS MASSIVE SUPPORT MOVEPOOL. GET IT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING HEAD HOLY SHIT.

Now please explain carefully, how losing a pursuit-trapper leaves your safety against sweepers like Latios unaffected.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:20:37 No.16438124 Report

Quoted By: >>16438154 >>16438155 >>16438158 >>16438195

Why isn't Dugtrio in ubers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:22:11 No.16438154 Report

Quoted By:

>>16438124
Because half of OU is flying or levitates. And duggy has problems even killing the pokemon it traps.

Seriously. You can make entire teams that just don't give a flying shit about sticky web or toxic spikes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:22:15 No.16438155 Report

Quoted By:

>>16438124
because it's weak as shit and dies to anything with priority

also it can't trap anything other than shit like Heatran because of its horribifuckus attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:22:24 No.16438158 Report

Quoted By:

>>16438124
Because it can reliably revenge kill about 3 pokemon that actually matter

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:24:03 No.16438195 Report

Quoted By:

>>16438124
Because he shouldn't even be OU.

People just use him to fuck up heatran and Tyranitar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:24:16 No.16438204 Report

Quoted By:

I'm pretty sure Gen 6 won't have suspect tests like Gen 5 will due to Baton Pass almost getting banned.

The community cannot be trusted with this sort of thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:27:24 No.16438269 Report

Quoted By:

I'll be damn happy when smogon bans the fucking lot of retarded hyperoffense GF added. Gee, thanks for the defog buff, that will sure help with all the multiple rape cannons roaming around and wonky type rebalancing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:28:35 No.16438296 Report

Quoted By:

Weird, never had an issue with one. Whenever I fight one I just use Accelgor Me First and OHKO it with its own shadow ball or something. Then again random matchup/ranked isn't know for its overall skill

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:31:13 No.16438341 Report

Quoted By: >>16438350 >>16438428

>mfw I don't play on showdown
>none of these bans will affect me ever

not that I use M-Gar anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:31:41 No.16438350 Report

Quoted By: >>16438367

>>16438341
Blaziken detected

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:32:48 No.16438367 Report

Quoted By: >>16439497

>>16438350
Don't use M-Blaziken either.

Not when this glorious bastard exists.

O'Malley 0232-8330-5220

O'Malley 0232-8330-5220 Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:36:23 No.16438428 Report

Quoted By: >>16438469

>>16438341
I haven't played on Showdown in months.

Playing among friends and most of /vp/, though, not following smogon at least to the extent of shit like evasion or sleep clauses makes you an asshole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:38:54 No.16438469 Report

Quoted By:

>>16438428
Fucking this. I don't care if you don't like or want to play by Smogons rules, but you're a huge asshole who probably has no friends if you spam evasion or put entire teams to sleep. Is it effective? Fuck yes it is. Does it make you look like a huge tool? You're god damned right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:39:04 No.16438472 Report

Quoted By: >>16438710

Smogonfag here with a 2000+ ranking on PS!. I hardly care about the ban. Never had any problem with Mega Gengar, but hey, it was gonna become insane post-PokeBank. It's probably for the best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:51:48 No.16438710 Report

Quoted By:

>>16438472
same here i just reached 20xx the other day on pokebank and it never reay gave me trouble.
Mega luc on the other hand.. holy shit

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:51:54 No.16438712 Report

Quoted By: >>16438762 >>16438815 >>16438881

>mfw all these people crying about Kangaskhan
>mfw ferrothorn rocky helmet

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:54:01 No.16438762 Report

Quoted By:

>>16438712
yeah pretty much any defensive poke with rocky helmet or will o wisp says fuck you to that thing. I use it on my team that laddered pretty far but it needs support such as magnezone to really do shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 05:57:03 No.16438815 Report

Quoted By: >>16438889

>>16438712
Maybe I should put Rocky Helmet on my Gastrodon instead of Splash Plate...

O'Malley 0232-8330-5220

O'Malley 0232-8330-5220 Tue 03 Dec 2013 06:01:15 No.16438881 Report

Quoted By: >>16438908

>>16438712
252/252+ Ferro is killed by a PuP followed by Earthquake.

Wow, you minorly inconvenienced MKahn.

Why do people post this shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 06:01:47 No.16438889 Report

Quoted By:

>>16438815
run lefties mah nigga
youll get the burn with scald anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 06:03:15 No.16438908 Report

Quoted By: >>16438958

>>16438881
I sure do hope you're not retardedly thinking about putting max EV on attack.
Maxed HP and defense and the nigger can't even bring me down 40%

O'Malley 0232-8330-5220

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O'Malley 0232-8330-5220 Tue 03 Dec 2013 06:05:51 No.16438958 Report

Quoted By: >>16439045

>>16438908
PuP brings it down to KO range for EQ.

You're double fucked now that you don't have leftovers to change that to a 2HKO after PuP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 06:09:59 No.16439045 Report

Quoted By:

>>16438958
It's funny how all these "counters" people make up completely fall the fuck apart in practice or against competant players.

I'm glad that you were able to defeat little Jimmie's outrage Kangaskhan and dream eater Gengar without a hastle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 06:34:28 No.16439497 Report

Quoted By: >>16439637

>>16438367
As long as my baby Mega Mawile isn't banned I'll be happy.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 06:41:03 No.16439613 Report

Quoted By: >>16439679 >>16439725

>The power creep caught up with Starmie and it is now too weak to go OU 6 gens straight

>Gengar became too good, overshot his potential, and is now too stronk to go OU 6 Gens stright

>that feel when the 6-0 streak is over for both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 06:42:36 No.16439637 Report

Quoted By: >>16439725 >>16439759

>>16439497
I'd doubt it. That speed is what really holds it back. Right...?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 06:45:26 No.16439679 Report

Quoted By: >>16439847 >>16442619

>>16439613
Gengar will be safe here in OU. He just can't use his best item.

Starmie though... holy fuck, what happened to you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 06:48:34 No.16439725 Report

Quoted By:

>>16439613
Doubt Starmie's going anywhere, it is still a super fast Rapid Spinner and there's a tiny chance it'll get Protean
Gengar isn't getting banned, just the stone.

>>16439637
From sweeping everything, yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 06:50:20 No.16439759 Report

Quoted By:

>>16439637
I run a doubles Trick Room team, which seems to work out for Mawile. It's not perfect, but it's not completely horrible either. I'm sure the people in here can think of a dozen counters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 06:55:06 No.16439847 Report

Quoted By:

>>16439679
The problem with starmie is not really "power creep" but the fact that ghost is the best and most spammable attacking type this generation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 07:00:01 No.16439941 Report

Quoted By: >>16440581 >>16440601

>>16432009
God I hate these fucking people at Smogon.
>Megas are introduced as new evolutions, more powerful than any other regular pokemon!
>meant to be overpowered
>people complain that they're too strong
I can understand Mega Kanga, because it's ability is absurdly powerful. But seriously? Fucking just GET GOOD and get over it.

This doesn't affect me in the slightest because I could give a shit about smogon's tiers, I just think it's so fucking stupid that because a pokemon is "too powerful" or it causes extreme buttrage, then into the BL it goes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 07:38:12 No.16440529 Report

Quoted By:

>send link to friend
>"guess how many shits I give? none because I don't run by smogon rules."

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 07:39:30 No.16440544 Report

Quoted By: >>16440601

>>16432194
>implying smogon will ban their pokemon
we know gengarite got banned without testing because the smogon council got mad losing to it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 07:41:40 No.16440569 Report

Quoted By:

>even considering banning Mega MILF

Burn her ass and it's over. You might as well ban every semi playable Mega aka EVERY MEGA EVER (except Manectric because a mega even save him from Flareon syndrome)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 07:42:50 No.16440579 Report

Quoted By: >>16440601 >>16440603

>banning Megas
That doesn't make sense.

It's not like legends, where you can have multiples and different kinds.

If you have that Mega, that's it. You have that Mega.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 07:42:57 No.16440581 Report

Quoted By:

>>16439941
I bet you didn't even read the post linked in the OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 07:44:42 No.16440601 Report

Quoted By: >>16445970

>>16440544
>>16439941
>>16440579
They explained exactly why it was banned. It broke, very clearly, a major criterion for banning that's been around since Gen 4.

>Support Characteristic
>A Pokemon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it can consistently set up a situation in which it makes it substantially easier for other Pokemon to sweep.

You see, Mega-Gengar used properly isn't a sweeper that you send in and use to KO the opponent's team one after another. No, instead, you mega evo, and probably switch out, since a counter might have been switched in. Later, you trap something that can't fight M-gengar, and KO it. And then you trap something else. And you keep trapping and KOing until you get unlucky, or you run out of pokemon to counter.

It's job on a team isn't to sweep, it's to set up for a sweeper by removing threats. It removes counters to other pokemon, so that after M-Gengar gets KOed, now you have no Talonflame/Aegislash/Greninja counter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 07:44:44 No.16440603 Report

Quoted By:

>>16440579
why does it matter if you can have multiple on the same team or not? if it's broken, it's broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 07:46:12 No.16440620 Report

Quoted By: >>16440643 >>16440646 >>16440657

why don't they just ban Megastones as a whole if they are going to be burnhealprone over certain ones being overpowered.

might as well ban mega lucario/Mawile for being too powerful

or Agrron for having too high Defense i mean aren't they already considering Mega Latias/Latios for being so tanky?

might as well kiss mega kanga goodbye even though everyone packing Smogon Laundromat has Will o wisp and that puts her to rest

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 07:47:30 No.16440643 Report

Quoted By:

>>16440620
another retard that didn't read the post

being mega has nothing to do with the ban, it's about shadow tag being a broken uncompetitive ability

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 07:47:45 No.16440646 Report

Quoted By:

>>16440620
lmfao you know nothing fag
none of those things you listed are inherently broken except for kanga

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 07:49:01 No.16440657 Report

Quoted By:

>>16440620
The other megas got stronger. Some (like Kanga) got a lot stronger, but they didn't really become anything but more powerful.

Gengar got the ability to pick apart someone's team by trapping and KOing.

Again, Gengar isn't something you switch in and start to sweep with - it is kind of frail, and after the first KO, you could send in a counter. But, since Gengar isn't a sweeper, it switches out of its counters, and then comes back to trap things that can't fight it.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 07:49:42 No.16440668 Report

Quoted By: >>16440705

ITT : people are playing against mongrels and think they can counter Perish Song M Gengar.

This is the thing with pokemon, most of the people you are playing against are retarded, of course you can counter their M Gengar or their Speedboost Blaziken, but a good... a normal player will use these pokemon and wrecks anyone that does not have very specific counters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 07:52:09 No.16440692 Report

Quoted By: >>16440728 >>16440734 >>16440840

ITT no one uses U-Turn/Volt Switch and wonder why they get trapped by this sucker

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 07:53:11 No.16440705 Report

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>>16440668
When you talk about banning M-Gengar and M-Blaziken in the same sentence, you're unintentionally conflating the reasons why they were banned.

M-Blaziken was banned because Blaziken was already Uber-material in Gen 5 with speed boost, and then GF made it stronger. It only made sense that it would be banned.

M-Gengar was banned for a different reason. You'll note that LO Gengar is still a legitimate option in OU: and in fact, it makes for a pretty good Aegislash check. But M-Gengar was banned because it was able to perform a kind of trapping that was really broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 07:54:01 No.16440728 Report

Quoted By:

>>16440692
>implying u-turn breaks gengar's subs
>implying you ever have more than 1 pokemon on a team with volt switch

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 07:54:12 No.16440734 Report

Quoted By:

>>16440692
Does your whole team run U-Turn/Volt Switch?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 08:03:12 No.16440840 Report

Quoted By:

>>16440692
Posted this in the last thread about this but
>M-Gengar uses Protect
>Your Pokemon uses Volt/Turn
>M-Gengar uses Disable

the only way to stop that scenario is being faster than M-Gengar, which you're only going to do if you're one of the VERY few Pokemon faster, or if you're scarfed.

Farrier (IGN: Andrew) 5386-8418-0655 SV: 1147

Farrier (IGN: Andrew) 5386-8418-0655 SV: 1147 Tue 03 Dec 2013 08:07:10 No.16440882 Report

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But is it banned in VGC 2014?

Nope, so I am still going to use my white chocolate

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 08:24:59 No.16441049 Report

Quoted By: >>16441388

I don't get it, Mega Gengar at some point will have to use Perish Song, then it just dies to Earthquake.
Prankster Taunt which is really common also ruins all those non offensive sets.

Also, does it really tank Mega Banette's and Smogonsword's Shadow Sneaks?

Seriously, I don't Smogonfags at all, I don't hate them either, but it's fun how the "Council" can't think of counters. Pretty much the same with Blaziken, now that there's a perfect counter for it and every fucking one is running it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 09:02:12 No.16441388 Report

Quoted By:

>>16441049
>Implying MegaGar would target someone that could EQ it
>Implying MegaGar can't throw an 80 BP Stab 170 Special Attack Shadow ball at every Prankster
>Yes it does tank both.
>Learn to read the fucking thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:45:16 No.16442619 Report

Quoted By:

>>16439679
>Starmie though... holy fuck, what happened to you

The Steel Nerf. Letting Ghost hit for Neutral on it ups the Ghost type attacks viability in general.
Starmie just happens to be weak to a now more common type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 19:14:00 No.16445970 Report

Quoted By:

>>16440601
And why is that so much worse than a awesome sweeper?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 20:28:34 No.16447263 Report

Quoted By:

Random thought, would Skill Swap or Trace help get rid of MGengar's threat? Either way your mon now has Shadow Tag so you can freely switch out of the Song.

Not a full hard counter, but a bit more out there.

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