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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:39:53 No.16442573 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>16442673 >>16442740 >>16442787 >>16442819

It begins.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/xy-ou-ban-of-gengarite.3494085/
> Salt the Flesh, ShadowMarioGalaxy64, BurningMan and 149 others like this.
LOL @ the ridiculous mod shilling/worshipping.
Bunch of sheeps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:41:24 No.16442585 Report

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I just knew the person spamming that misinformed post like a child was from /vp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:41:29 No.16442586 Report

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Smogon is the troll of pokemon websites. Don't feed the troll. Let it rot!

unless you want to say "git gud" in one of their banning threads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:44:09 No.16442612 Report

Quoted By: >>16442629 >>16442630

The part that disgusts me the most about it is the sheer number of likes mod posts regularly get.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:45:11 No.16442618 Report

Quoted By: >>16442638 >>16442818

M-Kanga is next on the line, then it will be M-Luke's turn.
People on PO are already calling Speed Boost Scolipede broken and if it ends up being banned there it will suffer the same fate on PS as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:46:32 No.16442626 Report

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>Gengarite gets banned despite the "No" winning
What the fuck did they expect? The poll was just to measure how the community felt, not if it was going to get banned or not.

Imagine how butthurt that Anon who wanted to spam accounts with "No" must feel right now, hilarious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:46:49 No.16442629 Report

Quoted By: >>16442894

>>16442612

Humans as a whole are naturally inclined towards bending over for authority.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:47:04 No.16442630 Report

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>>16442612
this "disgusts" you? are you 13?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:47:40 No.16442634 Report

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> ThunderBlunder, Cyredax, SmashBrosBrawl and 154 others like this.

Holy shit can these people even think for themselves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:47:51 No.16442638 Report

Quoted By: >>16442694

>>16442618
>People on PO are already calling Speed Boost Scolipede broken

lol wut

where the fuck do these scrubs come from and how do they end up in positions of influence

the solution: muh dragones!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:48:58 No.16442644 Report

Quoted By: >>16442660

If nearly 50% of people think something needs to be gone there's already a problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:49:30 No.16442652 Report

Quoted By: >>16442708

I'm moving to Battle Spot exclusively once it's patched. It's 3v3 from here on out for me, boys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:50:43 No.16442660 Report

Quoted By: >>16442674 >>16442684

>>16442644

That's not the way smogone worked though until now. You needed 66% of votes to be pro-ban in order to ban something.

Now you don't even need 50%. Just a few people, without a test, can ban shit at will. And no one cares either.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:52:49 No.16442673 Report

Quoted By: >>16442720

>>16442573

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:52:57 No.16442674 Report

Quoted By: >>16442739

>>16442660
>You needed 66% of votes to be pro-ban in order to ban something
that's with qualified voters who reached the rating threshold on showdown. with this public poll any random scrub can vote, and that showed in the poor anti-ban arguments in the discussion thread

mega gengar is the last quickban, anyway. the regular process will be the standard process from now on

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:53:46 No.16442684 Report

Quoted By: >>16442949

>>16442660
Wobb was banned for two generations due to ability alone with zero testing. Nobody complained.
Gothitelle got shadow tag and was put in the same tier as Wobb without testing. Nobody complained.
Chandelure got teased as having shadow tag. Nobody argued it would be banned when it got it.

Gengar, the Pokemon that has been OU since Pokemon was invented gets Shadow Tag and suddenly Shadow Tag is the easiest thing in the world to play around and everyone needs to "git gud".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:55:09 No.16442694 Report

Quoted By: >>16442706

>>16442638
Here's the guy who claims Speed Boost Scolipede is broken:
http://pokemon-online.eu/forums/showthread.php?22976-XY-OU-Potential-Suspects-Thread&p=336894&viewfull=1#post336894

I love this part:
>don't talk to me like this.I'm not new to the metagame.when i say baton pass should be suspected all what i say is founded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:56:21 No.16442706 Report

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>>16442694
>don't talk to me like this.I'm not new to the metagame.when i say baton pass should be suspected all what i say is founded.

Well if he says so I guess Scolipede is really broken and should be banned!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:56:31 No.16442708 Report

Quoted By: >>16442798

>>16442652
I hope you enjoy Double Team, confusion and paraflich among the legendaries, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 14:58:11 No.16442720 Report

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>>16442673
The sad part is a few Smogon mods actually look like the guy in the pic.
Do they even lift?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:00:02 No.16442739 Report

Quoted By: >>16442808

>>16442674
>mega gengar is the last quickban, anyway. the regular process will be the standard process from now on

You don't know that. How many times has smogon changed their procedures? It wouldn't justify those quickbans regardless.

You are all missing what is this about. It's the fact that you have no influence anymore on what gets banned or not. You can't even get a rating and vote. A few people can come in and say "lol, we don't like this, out with Gengar/Blaze/whatever!".

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:00:02 No.16442740 Report

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>>16442573
>sheeps

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:00:58 No.16442754 Report

Quoted By: >>16442822

While I think M-Gengar was broken and I don't think anyone with any kind of basic knowledge of competitive pokemon expect it to stay in OU, I'm disgusted at how they ignored 840 voters and just quickbanned it without a proper suspect test.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:02:07 No.16442765 Report

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I don't like the quickbans myself, but Gengar being banned now is just going to make the ban happen a bit earlier: it was going to ubers come Pokebank anyhow.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:03:53 No.16442787 Report

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>>16442573

I had a feeling that, with the Dawn of Megaevolutions, Ubers will become a reverse NU.

It looks like this feeling is now gaining some accuracy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:04:10 No.16442791 Report

Quoted By: >>16442813

I feel like Smogon doesn't ban things because they genuinelly think they're broken, but they just ban the next best thing in order to generate commotion so that their site keep drawing attention.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:05:03 No.16442798 Report

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>>16442708
Most "uber" legendaries are banned in ranked Battle Spot. Confusion and Paraflinch already run rampant in Smogon's ladder. Your only point is Double Team, which is less common than you think in 3v3, as it is more hyper offense than stall.

If you'd get Smogon's cock out of your mouth for a minute you might actually learn these things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:06:26 No.16442808 Report

Quoted By: >>16442841

>>16442739
because no other pokemon in OU is blatantly broken enough for a quickban like mega gengar was. there's been a few cries for kanga but smogon really isn't fussed about it right now.

>A few people can come in and say "lol, we don't like this, out with Gengar/Blaze/whatever!".
stop being stupid, it was discussed for a month and they explained the decision clearly. I like how people are blaming smogon for the quickban when THEY are the ones who couldn't convince them otherwise in their thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:07:05 No.16442813 Report

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>>16442791
But anon, Smogon is already the most popular site.

And again, while the quickban was bad, Gengar was obviously broken.

I'm kinda' curious to how much use Gengar will get in Ubers. It still can take out almost anything that it wants.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:07:26 No.16442818 Report

Quoted By: >>16442838 >>16442850

>>16442618
I think Scolipede will end up in Smogon's radar after they're finished banning the top mega pokemon and the Deoxys formes.
Smogon hates BP with a passion and will never allow that strategy to be popular in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:07:36 No.16442819 Report

Quoted By: >>16442849

>>16442573
>shilling
I don't think you know what that means. Stop please. We don't care about your shitty website. Go back there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:08:09 No.16442822 Report

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>>16442754
because a suspect test would have had the same result and smogon knew that

seriously, pretty much everyone who could reach the rating requirement knew it was broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:10:02 No.16442838 Report

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>>16442818
(Or maybe it's just a shitty strategy? You only see it played among the lower rankings, usually.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:10:24 No.16442841 Report

Quoted By: >>16442862 >>16442884

>>16442808

That's what you will say until they quickban something that you do NOT think is broken! How do you think people like me feel when they've already banned things that I don't think are broken, without being able to influence that?

Just wait until they go after Lucario, or even Talonflame. Then you'll get it but it will be too late, because the principle (quickbanning) would have been in place for a long time already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:11:05 No.16442849 Report

Quoted By: >>16442867 >>16442885

>>16442819

>shill
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/shilling

[shil] Slang.
noun
a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.

I think the definition is accurate enough. Why would 100+ random users constantly like-spam mods' posts?

In other words, ass kissing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:11:08 No.16442850 Report

Quoted By: >>16442860 >>16442889

>>16442818
>Smogon hates BP with a passion
if this were the case they would have banned smashpass in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:12:35 No.16442860 Report

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>>16442850
Or magic bounce espeon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:12:58 No.16442862 Report

Quoted By: >>16442890

>>16442841
it's clear that you know nothing about the website or its community

>How do you think people like me feel when they've already banned things that I don't think are broken, without being able to influence that?
you could have influenced it if you wanted to, that's what the public discussion thread was for

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:13:24 No.16442867 Report

Quoted By: >>16442908

>>16442849
I agree.
If you browse Smogon forums, you'll notice mod posts always get a disproportionately high number of likes compared to regular users, even when they just post one-liners such as "locking the tread" or random warnings.
I think it's pretty clear what this means.
While I don't think their entire userbase is made of sheeps, they definitely have a lot of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:13:27 No.16442869 Report

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I would have thought you'd choose a name like Fedoraatheist, because that's exactly what you sound like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:14:33 No.16442880 Report

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Why isn't Scolipede banned yet? That shit it's literally the setuping sweep pivot of every fucker out there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:15:07 No.16442884 Report

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>>16442841
You're arguing a slippery slope, but there is no evidence of this slope being slippery at all.

Quickbans are bad, or dumb at the least. But the stuff that has been quickbanned so far, that's Blaiziken, Deoxys, and now Gengarite, has been so broken that it was an inevitability.

Talonflame, Lucario, and M-Kanga all have really solid counters. Deoxys and Blaiziken did too, but their counters were already in Ubers.

M-Gengar, by its nature, is still going to be annoying in ubers, it can still pick teams apart at will.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:15:11 No.16442885 Report

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>>16442849
>like-spam mods' posts
Because they like it, and mods are highly visible on forums? You've never seen moot post have you?

By the way, shilling still doesn't apply.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:15:38 No.16442889 Report

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>>16442850
They banned Moody specifically for this. It was Smeargle and its BP that broke Moody, not Bibarel and those other shitty mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:15:44 No.16442890 Report

Quoted By: >>16442905 >>16442916

>>16442862

No I couldn't, my posts would just be buried under the hundreds of posts and thrown in the "another clueless moron who doesn't get that gengar has shadow tag and that's just so broken, man!" box.

At least 2 years ago I could vote. Now that's over. And hopefully, smogon too is over.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:16:08 No.16442894 Report

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>>16442629
You were made to be ruled

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:16:44 No.16442898 Report

Quoted By: >>16442963

I agree with the ban, but I don't agree on how they threath the community, if you're an elite circlejerk poster you can even make the best essay about the pokèmon metagame, people will literally just reply "We don't care, you're not an old contributor, so your opinion doesn't matter" and they can even ban you for that.
That's what I hate about smogon, not the rules that more or less are good, but the fucking Middle Age tier censorship.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:17:21 No.16442905 Report

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>>16442890
Fine, explain why gengar isn't broken.

We're all here, the stage is yours. Why should Gengarite be allowed as an item in the OU tier?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:17:39 No.16442908 Report

Quoted By: >>16442926

>>16442867
I just checked the forums and holy crap you're right about it.
Literally every warning post has a bunch of likes, while actually useful posts from other members may or may not have even one.
That's just disgusting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:18:18 No.16442916 Report

Quoted By: >>16442936

>>16442890
I interpret this as "I didn't have a good anti-ban argument so I refused to post my opinion there"

stop being a whiny faggot, suspect testing is what they're doing from now on. I feel sorry for Smogon mods who have to deal with idiots like you

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:19:23 No.16442926 Report

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>>16442908
But I see good posts get likes by random members all the time

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:21:05 No.16442936 Report

Quoted By: >>16442953 >>16442962 >>16442980 >>16442995

>>16442916
I never played smogon so I have a question:

Why ban anything at all?

The rules they make are not observed for standard sanctioned tournament play, so what are they endorsing with their rules? Only certain legendary pokemon aren't allowed for official tournaments so what is with the subset of rules?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:22:12 No.16442949 Report

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>>16442684
I don't think you understand.
The reason wobbuffet was banned was because two wobuffets could be sent out on each other causing both to trap each other, which ended up in a stall until struggle.
That was fixed for gen 4 or gen 5 though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:22:35 No.16442953 Report

Quoted By: >>16442974

>>16442936
In their opinion, it makes the game more "fun" and less "centralizing".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:23:06 No.16442962 Report

Quoted By: >>16442974

>>16442936
It's just a "muh 1337 klub" mentality.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:23:06 No.16442963 Report

Quoted By: >>16443003

>>16442898

^ this

Back in like 08 I used to be a contributor on there, even wrote articles for the site. I was gonna get a badge for it and everything, I made the D/P Porygon2, Porygon-Z, Crawdaunt, Alakazam, and Magmortar pages, and a few others I'm forgetting. Anyway there was a select few mods that didn't like my attitude or something and kept starting flame wars in every thread I posted in until eventually I left the site forever.

I just got Pokemon XY and want to get back into it but I'm steering clear of smogon. It's an old boys club, was then, and I'm sure it's even worse now.

Firebot development lab used to be a fun forum to browse though in the glory days; all the brazilian netbattle memes were such a laugh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:24:59 No.16442974 Report

Quoted By: >>16442995

>>16442953
Huh. Doesn't that make players ill-prepared for actual tournament play?

>>16442962
I sincerely hope it's not just that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:25:23 No.16442980 Report

Quoted By: >>16442992

>>16442936
smogon is 6v6 singles while nintendo's rules are 3v3 singles and 4v4 doubles. the strategies are different so they require different bans. and smogon may not be official but it's almost everyone uses for online play.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:26:24 No.16442992 Report

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>>16442980
>but it's almost
but it's what almost*

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:26:40 No.16442995 Report

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>>16442936
I believe Smogon is the most popular competitive site, and there's that.

Also, VGC has some really gaping holes in what they allow. Dark Void Smeargle is a thing, this year, and yet there's still no sleep clause. VGC won't be banning gengar, even though it's obviously broken.

>>16442974
A lot of people don't do VGCs, Smogon is really big: it's just unofficial.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:27:34 No.16443003 Report

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>>16442963
>comparing 2008 smogon to 2013 smogon
why

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2013 15:31:06 No.16443033 Report

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Smogon is on the way out, just let the thing die.

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