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Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 07:23:55 No.16625493 View View Reply Original Report

> Looking at Facade
> Generation VI : Burn's effect of lowering Attack stat is no longer applied when using Facade.

Nothing can stop the Kangaroo Train.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 07:25:35 No.16625515 Report

Quoted By: >>16625557 >>16625558

>>16625493
Sounds lovely. The problem is ghost types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 07:29:30 No.16625557 Report

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>>16625515
If you get burn before Mega Evolution, you can facade them in the face with Scrappy.

If you get burn after Mega, probably switch into something else and switch back in after you get rid of ghost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 07:29:32 No.16625558 Report

Quoted By: >>16625651

>>16625515
>crunch

next

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 07:35:12 No.16625610 Report

Quoted By: >>16625643

Its always been like that though, hence why you got an attack buff when burned

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 07:38:44 No.16625643 Report

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>>16625610
Burn's attack-lowering effect applied when Facade was used, unless the burned Pokemon had Guts. Now, Facade is entirely unaffected by the lowered Attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 07:39:13 No.16625649 Report

Quoted By: >>16625676 >>16625694

Not really the best idea. You're basically gimping all your coverage moves, making it easier for whatever resists/is immune to Normal take you down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 07:39:20 No.16625651 Report

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>>16625558
>crunch
>burned
big dommage

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 07:41:23 No.16625676 Report

Quoted By: >>16625709

>>16625649
I think the idea was just to have Facade in the case of being WoW'd in an attempt at crippling Smogon Mon, as burning it is one of its major counters. Facade, though very situational, eliminates that. Ideally though you'd just switch to a Fire Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 07:42:54 No.16625694 Report

Quoted By: >>16625709

>>16625649
People will have to think twice before Will-o-wisp Khangaskhan though.
Stab 140 BP in the face with Parental Bond isn't going to be pretty for most of their team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 07:44:20 No.16625709 Report

Quoted By: >>16625720

>>16625676
>>16625694
The Pokemon who has the best shot at burning it is Sableye, and MegaKhan's still not going to beat it 1v1. And M-Khan already has 4MSS to begin with so I really don't think Facade is worth the slot, ever. Just use a Fire-type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 07:45:54 No.16625720 Report

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>>16625709
That's what I suggested. Facade is le ebin gimmick :^) but ultimately a waste of a good moveslot for an already broken as fuck Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 07:47:43 No.16625736 Report

Quoted By: >>16625915

Has anything ever been so obviously broken in gen 5? Nothing is comparable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 07:49:37 No.16625752 Report

Quoted By: >>16625780 >>16625837

Does this mean Guts boosted Facade is even more powerful than it was?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 07:52:47 No.16625780 Report

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>>16625752
No, dipshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 07:57:48 No.16625837 Report

Quoted By: >>16625876

>>16625752
No. But now you canuse flame orb instead of toxic orb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 08:01:32 No.16625876 Report

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>>16625837
You could always use flame orb with guts.

The only thing that changed is when you have Quick Feet and burn yourself for the speed facade won't do lowered damage because of the burn. Having Guts makes all your attack ignore the burn damage decrease. When you have another ability only facade's damage won't be decreased by a burn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 08:05:17 No.16625915 Report

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>>16625736
Blaziken was about as bad.
It was worse in this gen, too. Specially since it got a fucking mega evolution. It was so retarded it got banned quick, though for some reason mega Khan hasn't been banned yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 08:07:04 No.16625930 Report

Quoted By: >>16625951

>worrying about Mega Mom while she's Uber

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 08:09:30 No.16625951 Report

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>>16625930

She's still a massive threat in VGCs.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 08:10:41 No.16625962 Report

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THE GROOSEN IS UNLOOSENED

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Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2013 08:33:35 No.16626125 Report

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that fucking double hit

Fagle: 3282 - 3232 - 1763 (normal, Teddiursa, Minnccino, Eevee.)

Fagle: 3282 - 3232 - 1763 (normal, Teddiursa, Minnccino, Eevee.) Thu 12 Dec 2013 08:34:42 No.16626135 Report

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Looking for ditto/xatu.

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