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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 14:29:17 No.16728529 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>16728537 >>16728551 >>16728593 >>16728666 >>16728858 >>16729067 >>16729169 >>16729568 >>16730079 >>16730166

>can 1 or 2HKO nearly every Mega in the game
>OHKOs a lot of its common counters with prediction
>Rock Polish

Why aren't you using Torterra, /vp/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 14:30:06 No.16728534 Report

Quoted By: >>16728589

Talonflame

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 14:30:32 No.16728536 Report

Quoted By: >>16728589

It'd ugly as sin and cant outspeed a stationary object

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 14:30:37 No.16728537 Report

Quoted By: >>16728589 >>16728620 >>16728769

>>16728529
>still slow after a +2 speed boost
>SATBs resisted by a ton of things
>useless abilities
>4x ice weak
>no water resistance
>Smogonbird

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 14:31:37 No.16728543 Report

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No pokebank

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 14:32:52 No.16728551 Report

Quoted By: >>16728589

>>16728529
H-how ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 14:41:03 No.16728589 Report

Quoted By: >>16728622 >>16728638 >>16729010

>>16728551
How what?

>>16728534
>>16728536
>>16728537
>Talonflame

So here's what you do, right-- You bring in your Torterra on something it can beat, right... They go to switch in their Talonflame, because Talonflame obviously resists Grass and is immune to Ground, and can hit Torterra with priority Brave Bird, right... So you predict the switch and use a Rock attack.

Wow! That was hard. You guys are good at this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 14:42:04 No.16728593 Report

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>>16728529
At least he looks cool as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 14:46:20 No.16728620 Report

Quoted By: >>16728633

>>16728537
>462/236 Speed
>slow

Here are 217 variations of Pokemon that Torterra outspeeds at level 50 after a Rock Polish. There are more, but here are 217 of them.

http://pastebin.com/qwH8GuSL

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 14:46:38 No.16728622 Report

Quoted By: >>16728705 >>16728749

>>16728589
How can it beat things like M-Venusaur or M-Gengar ?
I would love to see him in battle. He's one of my favorites. Good teammates for him ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 14:47:18 No.16728626 Report

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I did

In gen 4 UU

He was pretty underwhelming unfortunately

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 14:48:19 No.16728633 Report

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>>16728620
I'd like to add, there isn't a single unboosted Pokemon that outspeeds that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 14:49:07 No.16728638 Report

Quoted By: >>16728655

>>16728589
>grass ground stone polish

wow, it is like you want to be infinte stall by grass types

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 14:51:59 No.16728655 Report

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>>16728638
> implying it doesn't have any teammates

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 14:53:28 No.16728666 Report

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>>16728529
tell me where i find him and ill use the fuck out of him

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 14:57:51 No.16728705 Report

Quoted By: >>16728746 >>16728814 >>16729953

>>16728622
>How can it beat things like M-Venusaur or M-Gengar ?

252 Atk Life Orb Torterra Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Gengar: 452-533 (173.1 - 204.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

M-Venusaur is not a great matchup for Torterra.

However:

252 Atk Life Orb Torterra Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard X: 346-408 (116.4 - 137.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Blaziken: 452-533 (150.1 - 177%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Wood Hammer vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Blastoise: 385-455 (128.7 - 152.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Wood Hammer vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Banette: 286-337 (106.3 - 125.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Ampharos: 361-429 (112.4 - 133.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Wood Hammer vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Alakazam: 320-378 (127.4 - 150.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 Atk Life Orb Torterra Wood Hammer vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Absol: 341-402 (125.8 - 148.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 Atk Life Orb Torterra Wood Hammer vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Gardevoir: 320-378 (115.5 - 136.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Wood Hammer vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Gyarados: 416-494 (125.6 - 149.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Houndoom: 413-486 (141.9 - 167%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Wood Hammer vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 226-266 (64.3 - 75.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lucario: 416-494 (148 - 175.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Manectric: 452-533 (160.8 - 189.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Mawile: 312-369 (129.4 - 153.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Pinsir: 432-510 (159.4 - 188.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Wood Hammer vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Medicham: 259-305 (99.2 - 116.8%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Aerodactyl: 289-341 (96 - 113.2%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:04:20 No.16728746 Report

Quoted By: >>16728792

>>16728705
Fine, but WH recoil + LO = big damage
Some wish passer to make him survive ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:04:38 No.16728749 Report

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>>16728622
Mega Gengar? Wouldn't a single Earthquake from a +2 Speed Torterra OHKO it?

>Dat 460+ speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:05:35 No.16728769 Report

Quoted By: >>16728891 >>16728911 >>16728979

>>16728537
>Faster than the entire unboosted metagame after Rock Polish
>Total coverage with STABs+Rock is resisted by exactly 3 Pokemon
>Opportunity for Overgrow with Wood Hammer/Life Orb recoil
>Outspeeds every notable Ice user after a Rock Polish, can OHKO or severely dent anything switching in to Ice Shard
>KO's many notable Water types before they can even attack-- and is still neutral to Water
>OHKOs Talonflame on the switch

That was well thought out, Anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:07:57 No.16728792 Report

Quoted By: >>16728996

>>16728746
You certainly can do that. Vaporeon makes a great partner-- Torterra covers Vappy's Electric weakness, Vaporeon passes huge wishes and covers Fire types while resisting Ice.

Keep in mind, while Torterra can do great things, it doesn't have to carry your entire team on it's back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:09:19 No.16728806 Report

Quoted By: >>16728838

Could Faggotbird even OHKO it with Brave Bird?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:09:37 No.16728814 Report

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>>16728705
Also

252 Atk Life Orb Torterra Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 619-728 (208.4 - 245.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:12:18 No.16728838 Report

Quoted By: >>16728878 >>16728909

>>16728806
>>16728806
>Could Faggotbird even OHKO it with Brave Bird?

Adamant 252+ Atk Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Torterra: 302-356 (91.2 - 107.5%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

Jolly 252 Atk Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Torterra: 272-324 (82.1 - 97.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Both variations OHKO with Life Orb, though. That's why you go for Stone Edge/Rock Slide if they have Talonflame on their team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:13:48 No.16728858 Report

Quoted By: >>16728867 >>16728873

>>16728529
It also learns synthesis

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:14:41 No.16728867 Report

Quoted By: >>16728873

>>16728858
You sacrifice a lot of coverage running Synthesis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:15:45 No.16728873 Report

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>>16728858
>>16728867
>>16728867
And if you're running it over Rock Polish, you'll be down before you get to use it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:16:13 No.16728878 Report

Quoted By: >>16728899

>>16728838
>0HP
>0Def

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:17:43 No.16728891 Report

Quoted By: >>16728908 >>16728922 >>16728952

>>16728769
>every notable Ice user
>What is scarf Greninja?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:18:42 No.16728899 Report

Quoted By: >>16728952

>>16728878
Not a lot of room to sacrifice Attack and Speed EVs in the Rock Polish set, which is the only way Torterra can deal with a large portion of the metagame. You could run Sticky Web support and put *SOME* EVs into HP, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:19:23 No.16728908 Report

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>>16728891
Scarf Greninja is not so played. There are many more LO variants

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:19:38 No.16728909 Report

Quoted By: >>16728952

>>16728838
Why on earth does Torterra have nothing in HP or Defense?

I imagine this could be a pokemon that would want an unusual EV spread to counter certain notable threats, like just enough EVs in HP to barely survive a Brave Bird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:19:41 No.16728911 Report

Quoted By: >>16728952

>>16728769
Genesect scarf ice beam for the kill

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:20:46 No.16728922 Report

Quoted By: >>16728931 >>16728982

>>16728891
>Faster than the entire UNBOOSTED metagame

Choice Scarf is a boost, and Scarf Greninja is pretty damn uncommon, considering Greninja's great speed and coverage. At any rate, you can easily predict a Water "counter" on the switch and use Wood Hammer to OHKO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:21:36 No.16728931 Report

Quoted By: >>16728982

>>16728922
Yeah because things will always be coming in on the switch for you

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:21:44 No.16728934 Report

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EVs and Nature?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:22:51 No.16728952 Report

Quoted By: >>16728985

>>16728911
>>16728891
>using Choice Scarf Greninja
Sounds like a wasted of a Greninja.

>>16728909
As I said here >>16728899, you need whatever you can get in Attack and Speed if you're running the Rock Polish set. You can sacrifice a little for HP if you want, but you'd be better off just using your prediction skills.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:25:43 No.16728979 Report

Quoted By: >>16728992

>>16728769
>OHKOs Talonflame on the switch
Good luck doing that with those STABs.
And before you mention Stone Miss, relying on that attack is always asking for trouble.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:25:48 No.16728982 Report

Quoted By: >>16728999

>>16728931
>>>16728922 (You)
>Yeah because things will always be coming in on the switch for you

You're arguing a moot point, Anon. Yes, Scarf Greninja can beat Torterra 1v1, but hardly anyone runs Scarf Greninja because it kills its versatility. LO Greninja is far more common.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:26:12 No.16728985 Report

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>>16728952
Any replays to show ? I'd like to see him in battle vs a regular Smogon Team

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:26:46 No.16728988 Report

Quoted By: >>16728997

>Ugly
>Slow
>Talonflame

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:27:03 No.16728992 Report

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>>16728979
>counter this Pokemon
>BUT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE THAT ATTACK

Stone Edge and Rock Slide both OHKO Talonflame.

Quag (IGN: Dani) [1203 - 9953 - 6786] [Fraxure / Noibat / Druddigon]

Quag (IGN: Dani) [1203 - 9953 - 6786] [Fraxure / Noibat / Druddigon] Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:27:22 No.16728996 Report

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>>16728792
He's already carrying an entire ecosystem on there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:27:27 No.16728997 Report

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>>16728988
>implying ugly

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:27:31 No.16728999 Report

Quoted By: >>16729021

>>16728982
I said scarf Genesect, which is the current standard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:28:15 No.16729010 Report

Quoted By: >>16729032

>>16728589
No, what you do is playing Talonflame how you're supposed to do (protip: REVENGE KILLER) and kill the turtle.
Or you bait it into using one of its STABs instead of Stone Miss, switch in and kill the turtle.
Or you just miss 20% of the time and guess what? You have a dead turtle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:29:16 No.16729021 Report

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>>16728999
Oh, I read Genesect as Greninja.

Genesect is OP as fuck. But yes, it beats Torterra.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:30:23 No.16729032 Report

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>>16729010
>implying Stone Edge over Rock Slide
>You can't switch Pokemon once a revenge killer comes in

Wow Anon. You sure got me.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:30:43 No.16729040 Report

Quoted By: >>16729059 >>16729073 >>16729086

Sup.
The only way Torterra can beat Skarmory is NOT using Rock Polish so it can use a SE EQ when it uses Roost.
But then again without RP it loses to everything else.
In short, it sucks in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:33:01 No.16729059 Report

Quoted By: >>16729089

>>16729040
>it sucks in OU because Skarmory beats it

>Lucario sucks in OU because it can be beaten by this one Pokemon

>Gengar sucks in OU because it can be beaten by this one Pokemon

>Skarmory sucks in OU because it can be beaten by this one Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:33:12 No.16729061 Report

Quoted By: >>16729087

>all this theory-mon shit

I win everytime because I perfectly predict all you moves and switches.
git gud faggots

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:34:16 No.16729067 Report

Quoted By: >>16729078

>>16728529
>Why aren't you using Torterra, /vp/?
Because it's not available yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:34:41 No.16729073 Report

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>>16729040
>Torterra has to be able to take down every single Pokemon in OU for it to be decent
>It can't switch
>It doesn't matter that it can take down a large portion of OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:34:43 No.16729074 Report

Quoted By: >>16729147

why's this dood so obsessed with torterra guise

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:35:18 No.16729078 Report

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>>16729067
Need moar replays of Torterra rampage

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:35:24 No.16729081 Report

Quoted By: >>16729094 >>16729097 >>16729147 >>16729157

Let's see what Torterra loses to:
-Smogonbird
-Skarmory
-Trevenant and Gourgeist
-Air Ballon Heatran
-Gliscor
-Dragonite
-Hydreigon
-Avalugg
-Zygarde
-Rotom-H
-Genesect
-Sableye

What did I miss?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:36:25 No.16729086 Report

Quoted By: >>16729103

>>16729040
>The only way Torterra can beat Skarmory is NOT using Rock Polish so it can use a SE EQ when it uses Roost.

> EQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:36:26 No.16729087 Report

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>>16729061
>>all this theory-mon shit
Except it's not difficult to predict certain Pokemon coming in. As someone who uses Torterra with great success, I'd say my "theory-mon" is pretty accurate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:36:51 No.16729089 Report

Quoted By: >>16729147

>>16729059
>implying Torterra is only beaten by one pokemon

Half of OU shits all over it anon, you'd be kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:37:07 No.16729094 Report

Quoted By: >>16729110

>>16729081
Anything that is fast and has Ice Beam

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:37:36 No.16729097 Report

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>>16729081
Mamoswine

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:37:54 No.16729103 Report

Quoted By: >>16729147

>>16729086
Yes, EQ.
Do you even know how Roost works?
Torterra can't even touch Skarmory with its other attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:38:31 No.16729110 Report

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>>16729094
>Rock Polish

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:42:38 No.16729147 Report

Quoted By: >>16729165

>>16729074
>>16729081
>>16729089
>>16729103
Don't be so rude, anons. I think it's ok to use some non-OU mons in OU. I like the gimmick behind this and this is where you can see if a player is good (smart, using prediction and winning with non-OU) or bad (copy paste smogon team and brainlessly clicking Brave Bird).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:44:00 No.16729157 Report

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>>16729081
Now someone will quote this and play the "use team mates to deal with those pokemon" card, so I must ask: how the fuck do you cover such diverse threats at the same time just to support Torterra?
We've got physical walls (Gliscor, Skarmory, Avalugg), special attackers (Hydreigon, Rotom-H), Prankster WoW (Sableye), fast revenge killers (Talonflame, Genesect) and bulky attackers (Dragonite, Heatran, Zygarde).
All these threats require a massive amount of support to let Torterra sweep. You're better off with more self-reliant sweepers at this point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:44:46 No.16729165 Report

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>>16729147
It's common place to use non-OU pokemon in OU. You see a lot of fringe counter in high tiers of OU.
The thing is that Torterra simply isn't a good pokemon and doesn't do much.
It doesn't do anything better than anything else. It has no niche worth mentioning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:45:27 No.16729169 Report

Quoted By: >>16729322

>>16728529
>Why aren't you using Torterra, /vp/?
Because it's shit.
>B-But you wait till they are switching and you use Rock Polish
No, that's a retarded strategy. What if they don't switch but put a Substitute or burn you instead? Yeah, all your "epic fast turtle" goes to shit.
Torterra is objectively a bad pokemon, don't try to make it look great with situational cases.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:52:45 No.16729253 Report

Quoted By: >>16729269 >>16729300

Some notable Pokemon that Rock Polish Torterra Outspeeds and OHKOs:

Starmie
Jolteon
Rotom-W
Thundurus
Tyranitar
Politoed
Tentacruel
Alakazam
Lucario
Azumarill
Chandelure
Charizard
Donphan
Dugtrio
Espeon
Gallade
Galvantula
Gardevoir
Greninja
Vaporeon
Honedge
Houndoom
Infernape
Metagross
Ninetales
Porygon-Z
Quagsire
Rotom-H
Slowbro
Terrakion
Volcarona
Zoroark

And there are a shitload of Pokemon it 2HKOs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:53:59 No.16729269 Report

Quoted By: >>16729294

>>16729253
>notable
>Honedge

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:56:09 No.16729294 Report

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>>16729269
Whoops. I obviously meant Aegislash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:56:50 No.16729300 Report

Quoted By: >>16729351

>>16729253
>It's guaranteed you will always use Rock Polish first

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:57:39 No.16729309 Report

Quoted By: >>16729326

Give me time and I'll raise one.
But seriously don't expect anyone doing wonders with him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:58:47 No.16729322 Report

Quoted By: >>16729357 >>16729359

>>16729169
>>B-But you wait till they are switching and you use Dragon Dance
>No, that's a retarded strategy. What if they don't switch but put a Substitute or burn you instead? Yeah, all your "epic fast dragon" goes to shit.
>Haxorus is objectively a bad pokemon, don't try to make it look great with situational cases.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:59:04 No.16729326 Report

Quoted By: >>16729382

>>16729309
Try on Showdown

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 15:59:10 No.16729328 Report

Quoted By: >>16729361

There are lots of better pokemon with +2 speed

Like metagross

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:00:24 No.16729351 Report

Quoted By: >>16729370 >>16729374

>>16729300
Why would you bring Torterra in on a Pokemon it can't handle? That's like saying things that Gyarados takes down after Moxie or Charizard X takes down after a Dragon Dance don't matter because they require you to boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:01:25 No.16729357 Report

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>>16729322
Haxorus is shit though

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:01:26 No.16729359 Report

Quoted By: >>16729379

>>16729322
Yeah, because Haxorus NEEDS to Dragon Dance since it has 56 base Speed to, right anon? Nice analogy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:01:29 No.16729361 Report

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>>16729328
Metagross covers completely different things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:02:37 No.16729370 Report

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>>16729351
The problem here is Torterra has almost no safe switches to begin with in the current metagame.
Almost everything has a way to fuck it up on the switch with stuff like ice beam, fire blast, scald, toxic, substitute, WoW, trick and so on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:03:07 No.16729374 Report

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>>16729351
All the boosting pokemon mentioned so far are still good without boosting. Torterra needs to use Rock Polish to be goog. If you don't, it becomes dead weight for the team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:03:18 No.16729379 Report

Quoted By: >>16729423 >>16729431

>>16729359
>Volcarona, Mega Pokemon, Nasty Plotters, Swords Dancers

A lot of Pokemon need to boost to drastically improve themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:03:31 No.16729382 Report

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>>16729326
I used it in gen v and honestly was a bit underwheilming, and venusaur was so much sexier.
This gen it could be better, but from what I see chestnaught is quite better
strange how this gen grass is offensively a good type

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:03:33 No.16729384 Report

Quoted By:

No one here still mentioned Ice Shard chicice band mamoswine?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:03:57 No.16729388 Report

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Why doesn't Torterra get Shell Smash? I can't help but wonder how different things would be if that happened.

It would be able to go mixed, for one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:04:41 No.16729394 Report

Quoted By: >>16729405 >>16729413 >>16729424

>Physical sweeper that can't beat ferrothorn.

lel. Wat's the fucking point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:05:47 No.16729405 Report

Quoted By: >>16729433

>>16729394
It's immune to leech seed and thunder wave, and doesn't take much from Whip or Gyro Ball. It can wear ferro down with EQ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:06:57 No.16729413 Report

Quoted By: >>16729422 >>16729433

>>16729394
ferrothorn can do shit to torterra either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:08:46 No.16729422 Report

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>>16729413
Power Whip will still do decent damage to Torterra and Ferrothorn could use it as Spikes bait on top of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:08:50 No.16729423 Report

Quoted By: >>16729446

>>16729379
Volcarona can make use of the uncommon Fiery Dance.
Only Megapokemon that boost are M-Kangaskhan and M-Lucario.
Nasty Plotters and Swords Dances are either already fast or bulky enough to let boost at least once, Torterra is none of them, specially without HP investment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:08:55 No.16729424 Report

Quoted By: >>16729441

>>16729394
252 Atk Life Orb Torterra Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 113-134 (32.1 - 38%) -- 95.8% chance to 3HKO

What can Ferrothorn do back?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:09:46 No.16729431 Report

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>>16729379
he was joking, haxorus has 97 Base speed, which is very fast in comparison to it's attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:09:57 No.16729433 Report

Quoted By: >>16729458 >>16729496 >>16729593 >>16729704

>>16729413
>>16729405
0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Torterra: 147-174 (44.2 - 52.4%) -- 16.8% chance to 2HKO

After an RP, you're 2HKOd. You do 40% max with a Life Orb boosted EQ. You lose.

Run calcs next time instead of just fucking guessing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:11:22 No.16729441 Report

Quoted By: >>16729458 >>16729496

>>16729424
Power Whip it while it keeps killing himself due to LO and Iron Barbs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:11:44 No.16729446 Report

Quoted By: >>16729474

>>16729423
>Fiery Dance is not a boosting move
>Mega Evolving is not a boost

What am I reading? You don't come into the fight Mega Evolved, and you don't benefit from the mega speed boost until the second turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:12:05 No.16729449 Report

Quoted By: >>16729468 >>16729476

nothing worse than faggot justifying their RU/UU mons in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:12:54 No.16729458 Report

Quoted By: >>16729501

>>16729441
>Iron Barbs damage
>from Earthquake
Good god, just let >>16729433 do the rebuttals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:13:49 No.16729468 Report

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>>16729449
Torterra is NU and he is there for a reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:14:19 No.16729474 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729446
Volcarona is relatively already fast, Fiery Dance boost SpA and it gets some bulk on the special side when using Quiver Dance.
Alright, I will give you that, I have the habit to think about Mega pokemon as separate threats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:14:27 No.16729476 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729449
It's okay if they're good in OU

Amoonguss and Tangrowth are the superior UU grass types

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:16:17 No.16729494 Report

Quoted By: >>16729529

>1 or 2HKO every mega in the game
Does megasaur not exist anymore?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:16:21 No.16729496 Report

Quoted By: >>16729524 >>16729528 >>16729535

>>16729433
If you face Ferrothorn and don't use Rock Polish:

0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (76 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Torterra: 76-90 (22.8 - 27.1%) -- 42.1% chance to 4HKO

Torterra wins.

>>16729441
>Iron Barbs
>Earthquake

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:16:31 No.16729501 Report

Quoted By: >>16729524 >>16729529

>>16729458
Yeah, sorry, I keep forgetting non contact physical moves. Either way, even when using Power Whip Torterra would die first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:17:29 No.16729512 Report

Quoted By: >>16729540 >>16729685

I guess with an Assault Vest it could be pretty cool to use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:18:20 No.16729524 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729496
See
>>16729501
Also, wasn't the OP about how great Torterra becomes after Rock Polish. So you would stop using it just to beat Ferrothorn?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:18:32 No.16729528 Report

Quoted By: >>16729561

>>16729496
And Power whip does 38.5 - 45.4%. After Life Orb, you still lose against Ferro. You cannot win.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:18:37 No.16729529 Report

Quoted By: >>16729550

>>16729501
>Either way, even when using Power Whip Torterra would die first.

0 Atk Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Torterra: 118-139 (35.5 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Still wrong.

>>16729494
It was stated a couple of times that M-Venusaur is an exception. Torterra does beat most Megas, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:19:14 No.16729535 Report

Quoted By: >>16729555

>>16729496
>running Rock Polish on Torterra
>...only not to use it

First Skarmory, now Ferrothorn. That's already two extremely common mons Torterra loses against if it uses Rock Polish.
Might as well run something that can use boosting moves that actually let it beat walls instead of being beaten by them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:20:20 No.16729540 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729512
wait no

Giga Drain sucks on Torterra.

Nevermind then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:20:52 No.16729550 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729529
If there's no way for Torterra to switch out, it will attack for sure, getting that 10% recoil from LO (Unless you're not going to use it, but everyone in this thread has). So yes, it would die after 2-3 hits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:21:33 No.16729555 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729535
Torterra loses to Skarmory regardless because it's just getting Brave Birded to death.
But I agree the whole idea of losing against a wall after a stat boost is just sad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:22:04 No.16729561 Report

Quoted By: >>16729587

>>16729528
>And Power whip does 38.5 - 45.4%. After Life Orb, you still lose against Ferro. You cannot win.

It actually still takes Ferrothorn 3 whole turns to beat Torterra with Power Whip, including Torterra's life orb recoil. At absolute max damage without investment, Torterra survives the second hit with 5HP and gets to attack a third time, KOing them both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:22:24 No.16729568 Report

Quoted By:

>>16728529
my favourite starter. great taste OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:23:23 No.16729576 Report

Quoted By: >>16729695

Wouldn't it be a better idea to run a bulky Curse set instead?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:24:28 No.16729587 Report

Quoted By: >>16729635

>>16729561
No, I fucked that up and calculated the second LO recoil at 10% it's current HP instead of it's max. Ferrothorn does win that matchup.

At any rate, if Skarmory and Ferrothorn are your main issues, run a good Fire type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:25:40 No.16729593 Report

Quoted By: >>16729607 >>16729662 >>16729685

>>16729433
Gyro ball ferrothorn is "less" smogon. Nobody runs that. Everyone is just spikes SR, leech seed thunder wave or Power whip. Even Protect is more common than Gyroball.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:26:29 No.16729606 Report

Quoted By:

Not using WW with Skarmory

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:26:34 No.16729607 Report

Quoted By: >>16729640

>>16729593
Are you sure? I've seen a lot of Gyro Ballers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:28:17 No.16729635 Report

Quoted By: >>16729679

>>16729587
That being said, Power Whip Ferrothorn can't safely switch IN to Torterra, so it's not exactly a counter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:28:53 No.16729639 Report

Quoted By:

torterra = my balls :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:28:56 No.16729640 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729607
Think about it for a moment, why would you out a ferrothorn in your team?
1)Muh Hazards
2)Counter water types

Gyro ball is not effective aginast water nor Fire types. The first mentioned is what ferrothorn is supposed to counter, and the last one are common ferrothorn switch in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:31:14 No.16729662 Report

Quoted By: >>16729719 >>16729723

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:31:46 No.16729679 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729635
It could switch in and use Protect the next turn for Leftovers. If Torterra didn't use Rock Polish, then Torterra probably wins, if it did, Gyro Ball Ferrothorn may be still able to get rid of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:32:03 No.16729685 Report

Quoted By: >>16729723 >>16729773 >>16729830 >>16730028

>>16729512
It has no form of reliable recovery under Taunt, and even with Assault Vest it isn't going to tank Ice Beams and Fire Blasts unfortunately

Leave grass type assault vesting to Tangrowth

>>16729593
Moves
| Leech Seed 87.464%
| Stealth Rock 67.881%
| Power Whip 59.859%
| Gyro Ball 45.974%
| Thunder Wave 45.814%
| Spikes 37.026%
| Protect 36.866%

See that bit where Gyro Ball is on almost 50% of all Ferros? And is more common than Thunder Wave, and 10% more common than Protect? Yeah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:32:27 No.16729695 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729576
It would just get rekt by special moves. Rock polish is superior despite its problems

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:32:58 No.16729704 Report

Quoted By: >>16729718

>>16729433
>gyro ball having max power vs. Torterra
Nice skewed calcs

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:33:46 No.16729718 Report

Quoted By: >>16729748

>>16729704
>After an RP
>After
>an
>RP
read

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:33:58 No.16729719 Report

Quoted By: >>16729763

>>16729662
>| Gyro Ball 42.890% | | Thunder Wave 42.556% | | Spikes 41.572% | | Protect 40.926%

I'm impressed in how did you get that info. But as you can see, thefour moveslot has a hard competition. the % difference between GB and protect is just 2%.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:34:04 No.16729723 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729662
Wait shit I think I got the usage statistics from October. My point still stands however, see this fellow anon's post >>16729685.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:34:37 No.16729734 Report

Quoted By: >>16729782 >>16729788

Pretty stupid arguments from the anti-Torterra people ITT.

From what I've gathered:
-Physical walls (Skarmory & Ferrothorn) wall this physical attacker. Surprise.
-Talonflame can take it out with Brave Bird, assuming it doesn't switch in and take a Rock move. Also we're apparently leaving Torterra in if Talonflame comes in to revenge kill. But, you know, Torterra is the only Pokemon it can do that to.
-Pokemon with Ice Shard or a Choice Scarf and an Ice Attack can KO Torterra, but cannot switch into it safely. Meaning they aren't counters.
-Pokemon that Physical attackers have trouble with anyway, such as Sableye, Gliscor, and Genesect can beat Torterra

None of that is very compelling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:36:15 No.16729748 Report

Quoted By: >>16729770 >>16729785

>>16729718
>"An" Rock Polish
You speaka the good english.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:36:47 No.16729763 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729719
>I'm impressed in how did you get that info
Well, when the usage stats get released, Antar also makes a huge Ubuntu pastebin containing the moveset/spread/preferred teammates/checks and counters statistics. See http://paste.ubuntu.com/6514412/ for November Pokebank OU stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:37:09 No.16729770 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729748
>Not pronouncing Rock Polish as Arpee
I bet you say Swords Dance instead of Esdee

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:37:18 No.16729772 Report

Quoted By: >>16729829

Okay, so all I ask is too see ONE -- just ONE -- replay of someone using Torterra in upper ranking territory EFFECTIVELY. That's all I'm asking. If someone can show that, then I think I don't see any reason to argue against his effectiveness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:37:31 No.16729773 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729685
demn fairys influenced gyro ball usage, I'm sure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:38:12 No.16729782 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729734
Facts speak louder than words, yes?
How about posting a replay of an epic Torterra sweep? Possibly against good players.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:38:17 No.16729785 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729748
>implying you can't pronounce RP as "arr pee"
>implying "a RP" is just as correct as "a Rock Polish"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:38:36 No.16729788 Report

Quoted By: >>16729953

>>16729734
The main argument is how good would become Torterra after one RP. Most boosting physical attackers would tear a hole into walls after a boosting. That being said, why would you use Torterra over a completely better physical boosting threat?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:38:50 No.16729793 Report

Quoted By: >>16729799 >>16729820

Can someone calculate how much damage torterra does to 252 hp / 0 def scizor?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:39:33 No.16729799 Report

Quoted By: >>16729878

>>16729793
252 Atk Life Orb Torterra Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 187-222 (54.3 - 64.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:41:25 No.16729820 Report

Quoted By: >>16729878

>>16729793
252 Atk Life Orb Torterra Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 187-222 (54.3 - 64.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:41:53 No.16729829 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729772
I second this guy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:42:00 No.16729830 Report

Quoted By: >>16729863 >>16729865 >>16729873 >>16729874

>>16729685
I've seen Tangrowth talked about so much recently when it might as well have been nonexistent before. When did it suddenly get popular?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:44:03 No.16729863 Report

Quoted By: >>16729944

>>16729830
It was popular in Gen V as a kind of niche counter to many physical threats (stuff like Band Terrakion) but suffered because of its awful Special Defense, being 2HKOd by even resisted hits (and Thunder/Hydro Pump were common last gen)

Now Assault Vest has popped along, it can tank resisted hits like a breeze, and doesn't worry about the psuedo-Taunt because of Giga Drain and Regenerator. The Knock Off buff helped too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:44:08 No.16729865 Report

Quoted By: >>16729944

>>16729830
Assault vest on it makes him more bulky on the special side, while it can also do good damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:44:41 No.16729873 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729830
Grass types in general becoming immune to spore moves, Knock off getting a big buff in power and Assault vest working wonderfully in tandem with Regenerator are the reasons I assume.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:44:50 No.16729874 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729830
When it got free Special bulk to go with a decent movepool and healing options?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:44:58 No.16729878 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729799
>>16729820
thanks m8s

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:51:02 No.16729944 Report

Quoted By: >>16730013

>>16729865
>>16729863
Is Asault Vest any good without investment?
I've opted out of using it because every set I've seen for it had max SpD while I'd rather just go with HP and Atk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:51:21 No.16729953 Report

Quoted By: >>16729979 >>16729983 >>16730024 >>16730026

>>16729788
>why would you use Torterra over a completely better physical boosting threat

Torterra has its own niche in its coverage and STABs. Combine that with the +2 Speed boosting move and it's actually pretty unique. It deals with Megas nicely, as evidenced here (>>16728705), and can take out the common Rotom-W. Since it's not overused, you also have a surprise factor working for you, as your opponent may not be prepared for it, allowing you to set up your Rock Polish or predict an incoming counter with Rock Slide/Stone Edge.

It's not the strongest Pokemon out there for sure, but it definitely isn't as bad as some people in this thread would have you believe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:52:27 No.16729959 Report

Quoted By:

Pokebank isn't out yet silly

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:55:00 No.16729979 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729953
Please anon, make a replay on Showdown

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:55:15 No.16729983 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729953
Grass/Ground is pretty bad coverage. Being forced to use Stone Miss or Weak Slide to round it up doesn't make it any better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:57:25 No.16730013 Report

Quoted By: >>16730110

>>16729944
In someone like Tangrowth's case you don't need attack investment at all, and 125 Def carries its weight. He really fucking needs the SpD.

As an example, Life Orb Keldeo could easily 2HKO Tangrowth back in Gen V with its standard physical bulk set. Assault Vest set is never 4HKO'd. Scarf sets will never even five shot it.

That's a resisted hit, sure, but it's a notable improvement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:58:26 No.16730024 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729953
So you're saying it's good in theory, like some other pokemon are. All those calculations are relying on the fact that Torterra already used RP, but what happens on the cases you weren't able to or got Roar'd/Whirlwind away? Torterra doesn't have many safe switch ins either, meaning you have to sacrifice a pokemon to have a chance and pull out the RP strategy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:58:44 No.16730026 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729953
>grass
>good attacking type
people in OU only bother to get grass moves because of Rotomwash

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 16:58:55 No.16730028 Report

Quoted By:

>>16729685
Yes i know. I was remembering its Sp. Atk wrong.

So much for that.

Also, nice. That might replace my Drapion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 17:00:25 No.16730043 Report

Quoted By: >>16730120

Some calcs regarding Talonflame for those interested:

252 Atk Life Orb Talonflame beats 4 HP Torterra. However, after Brave Bird recoil, Life Orb Damage, and Stealth Rock damage, Talonflame is also KOed.

Talonflame survives with a little HP with Choice Band, though.

With any other item, +Atk natured Talonflame only has a 43.8% chance to OHKO, and Jolly Talonflame can only 2HKO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 17:03:29 No.16730079 Report

Quoted By: >>16730094 >>16730099

>>16728529
Because it can't be obtained yet is a good reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 17:04:44 No.16730094 Report

Quoted By: >>16730106

>>16730079
A large portion of this board plays on battle simulators, where it can be used. Are you trying to be a smartass?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 17:04:58 No.16730099 Report

Quoted By: >>16730106

>>16730079
I think OP meant Showdown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 17:05:43 No.16730106 Report

Quoted By:

>>16730094
>Are you trying to be a smartass

Yes.

>>16730099
I know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 17:06:15 No.16730110 Report

Quoted By: >>16730174

>>16730013
Not who you were talking to but I'm actually breeding for Tangelas right now. What would you recommend as a set? I'm breeding them for TR with a Brave nature.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 17:07:27 No.16730120 Report

Quoted By:

>>16730043
Well, there're the 4% of Talonflame (I thought there were more tbh) that use Sharp beak/Sky plate as a way to boost their STAB without locking and recoil.With one of these, it's a clean OHKO.
If SR is up at Torterra's side, Brave bird with no item boost now has a 81.3% chance to OHKO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 17:10:57 No.16730166 Report

Quoted By:

>>16728529
Because gen6 are the only games I physically own now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 17:11:39 No.16730174 Report

Quoted By: >>16730282 >>16730287

>>16730110
If you're looking for a physical offensive set then some kind of mix of Power Whip/Knock Off/Earthquake/Rock Slide/Sleep Powder. Max HP/Attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 17:14:44 No.16730210 Report

Quoted By: >>16730233

So I've been trying to get you guys a replay with Torterra this whole time, but showdown's server is fucked up or something. Can anyone else get on?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 17:17:17 No.16730233 Report

Quoted By: >>16730692

>>16730210
http://frost.psim.us/

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 17:22:04 No.16730282 Report

Quoted By: >>16730315 >>16730337

>>16730174
I'm thinking of giving it Power Whip/Earthquake/Knock Off/Poison Jab with Max HP and Attack. Should I give it AV or should I just focus on its attack and give it Life Orb?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 17:22:29 No.16730287 Report

Quoted By: >>16730315

>>16730174
Guy who was originally asking about Tangrowth here, now I'm confused because that's the set I use and everyone says Assault Vest with max Special Defence is better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 17:24:18 No.16730315 Report

Quoted By: >>16730563

>>16730282
>>16730287
If you're using it as an offensive mon on a Trick Room team, max HP and attack. If you want to use it as a mixed wall, max HP and SpD with Assault Vest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 17:25:43 No.16730337 Report

Quoted By: >>16730563

>>16730282
I wouldn't go with Life Orb, on something as bulky as Tangrowth it usually causes more damage than you would like. Maybe go with Expert Belt since you have pretty good coverage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 17:42:23 No.16730504 Report

Quoted By:

Bump for replays

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 17:47:07 No.16730563 Report

Quoted By:

>>16730315
>>16730337
Expert Belt would definitely be better than Life Orb now that I think of it. I used to run a TR Swampert with Expert Belt and it was a menace. Thanks for the help, both of you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 17:58:08 No.16730692 Report

Quoted By: >>16731602

>>16730233
>http://frost.psim.us/
Still can't get in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2013 19:08:50 No.16731602 Report

Quoted By:

>>16730692
Try this
http://frost.psim.us/

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