Since there's a Talonflame counter thread and it's easily countered anyway, lets move onto more pressing matters. Because it's obvious from the inordinate amount of time Kang has been unbanned, it's staying in OU for a longass time. The council likes it too much and if they're pressed for answers, they'll say "b-but we're waiting for muh pokebanks!"
Joao 1891-1852-2481
Gengar with Substitute and Disable can do it.
Anonymous
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>>16737246 rocky helmet tangrowth with leech seed, synthesis and giga drain
Anonymous
Anonymous
choice scarf imposter ditto
Anonymous
>>16737271 except M-kanga can break through subs.
Anonymous
>>16737279 >never see it coming >is literally the only ditto set used Anonymous
Lizerd
>>16737279 Oh yeah, Ditto is the only "mega" that can hold an item other than a Mega Stone.
Anonymous
>not using max def max hp rocky helmet rough skin rest/sleep talk/dragon tai garchomp
Anonymous
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>>16737246 Jellicent and Trevenant do an okay job. Just watch out for Cruch, if Will'O wisp misses you're usually SOL.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>16737411 >wasting a team slot on such a stupid set for one poke Anonymous
>>16737276 >Disable you missed the second part.
Anonymous
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>phazer with decent physical bulk >wasted slot
Anonymous
>>16737673 Crunch hits two times and likely to KO Gengar
Code (3437 4092 9250)
Mega medicham drain punch>inb4 sucker punch
Anonymous
>>16737793 Medicham a shit and slow
Anonymous
>>16737793 First of all, Megacham isn't a counter because it can't switch into anything. Second of all, Megakhan will always ohko with Return unless you're running something stupid like bulky Megacham. Its not really reliable when you have to bank on winning a speed tie.
Anonymous
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>>16737793 That's a 50-50 if Kang is Jolly. Return will always OHKO and boosted Sucker Punch does too.
Anonymous
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>>16737793 Scarfed Medicham is better when it comes to mega milf.
It can't take a boosted Sucker Punch though.
Anonymous
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>>16737893 mega medicham speed ties with mega milf
Anonymous
Anonymous
Rock Helmet Ferro is literally my best bet and even then it's shaky
Anonymous
>>16737793 >Fighting attack >Flying Type >Fighting Type >Brave Bird Gale Wings If your going to lie, atleast make it good
Anonymous
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>>16738037 Anon
You are in the wrong thread
Anonymous
>>16737289 >>16737728 Sub blocks the first hit, the second one can't KO if she's not boosted. Disable Crunch and she can't touch Gengar. Of course, this assumes that the opponent is running one of the worst sets for her.
Anonymous
>>16738016 >I can't wait for it to get banned You're better off waiting for UU.
They're probably wasting time on this shit because >m-muh pokebank, and even after that I doubt it gets quickbanned, because Pokebank is the end of the quickban period. You have to suffer this horseshit for another month at least.
Anonymous
>>16738062 I don't see how they couldn't quickban it. It's worse than any other threat any gen has introduced so far. It's just a matter of waiting
and voting "Quickban" like you all should be Anonymous
I counter it by playing on Pokemon Online.
Anonymous
>>16738106 >implying it isn't just five guys doing this Anonymous
>>16737411 I'm using a similar Gyarados set. In addition to getting M-Kanga, he also gets smogonbird, physical smogonsword, U-turn users, and anything stupid enough to use a contact move on him. Intimidate is also a plus.
Gyarados @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SDef
Impish Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Waterfall
- Roar
Anonymous
>>16738062 Speaking of quickban why haven't they done that for Genesect? He hasn't changed at all from last gen with his high attack stats and diverse movepool I don't see why he isn't in Ubers right now.
Anonymous
>>16738136 Yeah but
they'll still quickban it Anonymous
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>>16738179 Cooldown period at the start of the meta where everything is unbanned, just hasn't been rectified yet
It's going to get banned shortly after Kang does though don't worry :^)
Anonymous
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>>16738179 Apparently the metagame is so fucking stupid right now that Genesect is a balance factor for shit like M-Luke Skywalker. But yeah, it's going to get banned as soon as that and Mega Bitch get banned.
Anonymous
Pic related with rocky helmet>HIT ME YOU FAT BITCH AND MAKE MY DAY
Anonymous
>>16738211 >Fire Punch RIP in pieces spikyball
Anonymous
I always go with my Scarfed Rotom and use Will O' Wisp. The dude hits me back but doesn't kill me. Then I switch with for my Gliscor and just go for the protect and sub and watch him go. For some reason this has worked so far. Also, they always use Sucker Punch on the switch for some reason.
Anonymous
>>16738258 that only works once, and if they see you don't have a dedicated kang check, they'll just set up PuP and kill your through the burn
Anonymous
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I just use toxic from my gliscor, then switch to my aegislash, use king shield, then switch again
Anonymous
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>>16738179 Everything is unbanned at the start of a new generation.
They can only suspect test one Pokemon at a time. Genesect will be back where he belongs soon.
Anonymous
>>16738181 >they'll quickban shit that get them free wins without blaziken and mega gengar around kek
Anonymous
>>16738310 >Conspiracy theories Leave any time
Anonymous
>>16738141 The fact that stupid shit like this exists AS A RESULT of mega mom is just further proof that it needs to be quick banned.
Anonymous
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>>16738348 ResTalk Gyarados has been around since Gen 4. That said it's definitely being used a lot more lately, and the fact that it has to forego Lefties for Rocky Helmet just to beat Kang is fucking stupid.
Anonymous
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>>16738286 PuP never kills me. Even at 4+. My Gliscor has max Def, they can crack the sub, but the second hit never hurts me too bad. Also, I forgot to add, but sometimes meanwhile I also switch into my Skarmory holding Rocky Helmet with also max def and roost (and slower). They never kill me either. Burned Megaskhans are not so hard to counter if you have a good physical wall. I have two.
Code (3437 4092 9250)
>>16737906 >not running baton pass scolipede with swords dance/iron defense >not baton passing to Mega Medicham but serously baton passing isnt common and wrecks shit. Here's an example
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oubeta-70564162 Anonymous
>>16738321 >dat damage control Anonymous
I just use Sableye and burn it. It's not using Return or PuP anytime soon as a Mega, Sucker Punch is a free turn for Sableye, and EQ is a 4HKO after burn, which Recover deals with anyway.
Anonymous
>>16738466 >Conspiracy theories Leave any time
Anonymous
>>16738483 >dat damage control see, i can post the same shit over and over too Anonymous
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>>16738513 >Conspiracy theories Leave any time
Won't make it any more true Anonymous
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>>16738446 >MilkyB's rating: 1560 → 1585 I know this was supposed to illustrate that your strategy works, but it did pretty much the exact opposite.
Anonymous
>>16738467 >This. Over and over again. Because it's new and you have to alter your tactics doesn't make this predictable mon near impossible to deal with.
Anonymous
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>>16738225 Assuming they predict it, that is and if you're running fire punch. Mega kangaskhan is guaranteed to lose over 50% hp on the switch alone and then proceeds to kill itself if it tries to fire punch spikyball.
Anonymous
>>16738563 What are you even on about dude?
>name something that can counter M-Khan >no not that it's too predictable who cares if it works Anonymous
>>16738563 >Having to run a Sableye to beat one mon That's healthy, of course
self sage
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>>16738606 Oh wait I misread your post. I thouht you were implying Sableye was a terrible counter for it.
Anonymous
>>16738446 baton pass is also incredibly predictable and most bp users have nothing left after their chain gets broken.
Anonymous
>>16738610 You realize Sableye has been used on a lot of OU teams long before M-Khan was ever a threat, right?
Anonymous
>>16738681 You realise that doesn't make him anything other than a niche wall, and a meta where you are literally forced to run him or risk being murdered by a mon that requires very little set up or team support is not what defines a good metagame?
Anonymous
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>>16738061 You mean the first two hits? Because it doesn't.
Anonymous
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Eviolite Chansey with Counter
Anonymous
>>16738610 Cuz Sableye has situational use against only M Khan. Please. You want a counter, you have a counter. It's the one I use, and not just for Mega bitch. And there are others that people have posted that manage fine.
Anonymous
>>16737279 >>16737324 I recently started using Quick Claw Ditto instead. Works great since everyone expects Choice Scarf.
They switch out to some "counter" since they think I'll be stuck in one move and I proceed to sweep their teams.
Anonymous
>>16738736 I didn't say Sableye wasn't a counter. No one else has posted a decent counter in this thread outside of Sableye, because it is the ONLY things that decently checks her a good portion of the time. It doesn't matter what use Sableye has outside of that - if it's the ONLY thing in OU that can handle it without risking being slaughtered itself, then the mon in question is simply too good for OU.
Anonymous
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>>16737449 >power up punch Code (3437 4092 9250)
>>16738644 >the rest of the team are a powerhouse. Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>16738754 >Quick Claw Just no.
Anonymous
>>16738774 I won't waste my time in linking the five or six set ups that are not situational only to M-Khan that have been posted, because I assume you can read.
Anonymous
>>16738714 I didn't realize that I was being forced to run a Sableye to shut down Keys and physical sweepers. My mistake.
If you want another wall that stops Khan and has usage outside of it, Avalugg.
Return is a 4HKO while Avalanche is a 2HKO after rocks with zero attack investment. It can spin and phaze. It laughs at most physical OU. And it can even shut down at least one special sweeper with Sturdy+Mirror Coat.
Anonymous
>>16738834 Feel free, because there isn't a single counter in this thread other than Sableye.
>>16738848 Power Up Punch does 30~%, then +2 Return kills it. Even easier if SR is up. Defensive sets 2HKO it with Seismic Toss.
Anonymous
>>16738114 The only nigga with sense. Everybody likes to joke about PO, but their servers are better and they're smarter with their bans. They banned Mega Gengar and Mega Kanga first and are already considering Mega Luke.
Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>16738792 I have yet to come up against a competent bp user who had a backup plan. As soon as the passer falls, it's either a disconnect or a forfeit.
Anonymous
>throw facade onto kanga just for fun >facing a sableye >have scrappy >it switches in on power up punch, and I dont evolve >it proceeds to burn me and I kill it with facade
Anonymous
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>>16738938 When are you getting the opportunity to Roar her out when she's stomping your shit with Return?
What do you do when Kanga just comes back in at a later date and you're weakened from the previous assault and so can't get the Roar off?
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion Wed 18 Dec 2013 01:45:14 No. 16738987 Report >>16737246 Hawlucha, its not a hard counter, but it resists PuP and sucker punch, and threatens a OHKO with high jump kick. Not once have i ever had M-Kang stay in against the luchador, even after it got off a power up punch
252 Atk Hawlucha High Jump Kick vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 336-396 (95.4 - 112.5%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
+2 252 Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hawlucha: 157-186 (52.8 - 62.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Power-Up Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hawlucha: 79-93 (26.5 - 31.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan 252 Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Hawlucha: 303-357 (101.6 - 119.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
The power up punch is a little weaker than shown, but the little luchadore can take a PuP AND a sucker punch, and outspeeds.
Just don't switch into a return.
Anonymous
>>16738967 Facade is a completely inferior move except against that one Pokemon that you can't OHKO, and which can outspeed and burn.
You'd be be better off switching to Chandelure or something for a Flash Fire boost.
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion Wed 18 Dec 2013 01:46:36 No. 16739012 Report >>16738987 Also if you dont want to use a luchador there is no hope.
Anonymous
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>>16739012 Who wouldn't want to use a luchador?
Anonymous
>>16738995 facade has 280 power, not 140 when you're burned.
Kanga is so strng that an unburned facade is still enough to beat a lot of shit trying to PuP sweep.
Anonymous
Jolly Mienshao can survive a sucker punch while outspeeding jolly mega khan and then proceed to OHKO it with HJK. Problem is, is that it cannot switch into a return or anything else megakhan dishes out besides sucker punch.
Anonymous
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>>16739029 But when you're not burned, it's less power.
Anonymous
>>16738987 HJK, hone claws, sub, acro? or what?
Anonymous
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>>16737246 This nigga with Weakness Policy.
Bait the PuP then wreck shit with Avalanche.
Even better if it's already been out some and you can get some Curses up.
Anonymous
>>16738754 Muh luck.
Muh 10% chance of working.
Nah m8.
Anonymous
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>>16739063 If it does switch into the Power Up Punch, +2 Sucker Punch kills
Anonymous
Faster ghost types can deal with it. Will-o-wisp basically ruins it, and can't be Sucker Punched. Of course they made Ghost types so unbelievably overpowered this gen anyway that it's best to have one anyway, you just have to decide whether to run 2 or give up your precious Aegislash that you knew was good before everyone else.
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion Wed 18 Dec 2013 01:53:48 No. 16739183 Report >>16739125 My current set, until Flying gem is released is
Jolly 252 att 252 spe @Power herb
Ability Unburden
High Jump Kick
Acrobatics
Sky Attack
Swords dance
and when flying gem is released i'll replace sky attack with baton pass.
Anonymous
>>16739183 What's the point of Jolly if unburden makes hawlucha's speed unmatchable un-jollied anyway.
Anonymous
>>16738987 Most Kangas I see are 252 Hp/ 252 Att
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion Wed 18 Dec 2013 01:55:58 No. 16739225 Report >>16739170 just wait for jellicent man. it will require kang to take crunch over sucker punch or get ruined by its will-o-wisp. It also walls Smogonbird,Blazikens stabs and gets recover..
Anonymous
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I don't think anyone thats saying Gengar is a counter to Mega Khangaskan have any idea what a counter means. Gengar CANNOT guarantee a safe switch in to Khangaskhan. First off, you risk getting hit by a normal Scrappy normal Khangaskhan who can hit you for at least neutral damage with every single move it has. Secondly, if they carry Crunch, which every Khangaskhan should, they can predict the switch and instantly OHKO you. Lastly, the substitute disable cannot save you from a Crunch/Sucker Punch Khangaskhan. Even if you Substitute + Disable the Crunch, the damage you'll take from both of the second hits of Crunch and Sucker Punch combined would end you.
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion Wed 18 Dec 2013 02:01:14 No. 16739318 Report Quoted By:
>>16739214 Base 108+ will outspeed you beforehand otherwise,
in particular, Gengar and Mega Lucario. Its safer if you don't need the power.
>>16739216 Kang gets 100 base speed, seems like a waste on a boosting sweeper. if they don't max speed it opens up a huge number of potential counters.
Anonymous
>>16737246 hawlucha with wide lens and high jump kick.
Anonymous
>>16739225 Duslops can take a Crunch and get off a WoW, but it scarifices 3/4 of its health to do so.
Anonymous
>>16739379 Wide lens is a waste, its better to use Hone claws.
Lightning Flash
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>>16737246 Other than a Lucario with Justified to discourage Sucker Punch... Yeah, Rocky Helmet Virgin Sacrifice.
said sacrifice is Ferrothorn Anonymous
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>>16739150 20%, add that to a 1/2 chance of moving first and you have some pretty good odds of fucking shit up
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion Wed 18 Dec 2013 02:08:07 No. 16739446 Report Quoted By:
>>16739410 Jellicent seems to be more useful for my purposes at least, my teams have issues with priority.
>>16739225 actually, if my calculations are right, base 58 with a + nature and max investment can outspeed no investment M-Kang
Anonymous
>people talking about banning m-luke and m-pinsir Mega Mawile getting the boot next?
Anonymous
>>16739417 that allows a turn for it to get attacked
Anonymous
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Yeah Unburden, Normal Gem Fake Out/Protect, Adamant Hitmonlee takes care of that quite fast. nb4 85% Hit Ratio bullshit, hes still godly fast with a bast of 374 Attack. Easy mode.
Anonymous
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Rocky Helmet Avalugg, for sure.
Anonymous
what about a 252 hp/252 def rocky helmet virgin sacrifice furfrou?
Anonymous
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>>16739482 If you roll with sub, hone claws, hjk, and sky drop with red card you can sub, get attacked, red card goes off, m-kang gets switched out, hone claws.
Anonymous
>>16739451 They're just going to ban every single remotely powerful Mega.
I mean M-Luke and M-MAWILE? Seriously? Two fucking weeks ago no one even cared about Lucario, and when Gengar was around no one gave 2 shits about Kangaskhan.
Anonymous
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>>16739451 Mega Lucario is easy as fuck to kill though. I don't think I've ever had a problem with it.
>>16739540 Holy shit. Give it Baby-Doll Eyes as well, so that it only gets a 1x Attack boost too.
Anonymous
>>16739554 Nah, they're just talking. Mega Lucario isn't going to get banned.
Anonymous
>>16739576 >implying Mega Waifu is next. It's only a matter of time.
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion Wed 18 Dec 2013 02:16:11 No. 16739597 Report >>16739554 Im surprise M-Alakazam isn't on the list. 150 speed and 175 special attack is rediculous.
Just stay away from priority and he'll mop up
Anonymous
>>16739576 Mega Luke might
If it does go, it'll be the last though. There aren't any other Megas that have nearly as much insane power as Kanga/Gar/Luke do.
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion Wed 18 Dec 2013 02:17:48 No. 16739619 Report >>16739597 holy shit. Could you imagine M-Alakazam tracing Parental bond?
Anonymous
>>16739599 except
mawile also pinsir, and both of these are probably getting banned next
Anonymous
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Would Wobbuffet be a good counter for M-Khan?
Anonymous
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Unaware Quagsire with Stockpile x3 and Swagger? Of course, it stops most things except grass mons and mons with Toxic.
Anonymous
>>16739586 Yes, we will ban all the Megas. Except Mega Obamasnow
who you just remembered exists Anonymous
>>16739620 They won't. They're both handleable thanks to Mawile's low speed and Pinsir's typing and inability to break past bulkier physical walls like Skarm.
Anonymous
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>>16739619 Yep. Yep I can.
It's terrifying.
Anonymous
>>16739599 I love how people whine that special Mega Lucario has no counters when Mega Alakazam outspeeds, literally cannot be killed by Vacuum Wave, and can OHKO it.
>>16739620 Neither of those need banned.
Anonymous
>>16739655 this is smogonfags you're talking about. they ban anything that shits on their favorite playstyle
Anonymous
>>16738563 Name one thing that isn't a ghost type that can switch into Kangaskhan safely.
Anonymous
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>>16739671 Except for the part where THAT'S NOT A COUNTER IT'S A CHECK (AND A BAD ONE TOO), COUNTERS NEED TO SWITCH IN SAFELY AND POSE A THREAT
Good luck switching Alazakam into literally anything but fighting. Also Dark Pulse = RIP in pieces
Anonymous
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>>16739671 >Shadow Ball >Crunch Good luck switching in to either of those
>Oh I'll just switch when he SDs/CCs or whatever +2 Bullet Punch or CC+BP kill MegaZam.
>>16739683 >I'm an idiot Anonymous
>>16739683 >they ban anything that shits on their favorite playstyle No one liked perma-weather, or things that forced the metagame to revolve around.
Anonymous
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>>16737246 Impish
Recover
Knockoff
Will o wisp
Taunt
252Atk-128Def-!28SpDef
Counter any thing physical, or status oriented guaranteed.
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion Wed 18 Dec 2013 02:25:11 No. 16739749 Report >>16739689 M aggron.
+6 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Power-Up Punch vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Filter Mega Aggron: 181-216 (52.6 - 62.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
if its +6 and you cant outspeed and kill it just forfeit
Anonymous
>>16738714 Priority willowisp means sableye beats/forces out almost every physical attacker in the game. taunt so they can't set up to alleviate the burn, and recover to stall out. foul play to 2hko anything physical. niche wall you say?
Anonymous
Mandatory ghost and pray to god that it doesn't know crunch.
Anonymous
>>16738179 I'm a bit late to the party on this one, but why exactly would M-Lucario be banned? I've never had any trouble with it.
Anonymous
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>>16739749 Unless it runs Earthquake
Or Fire Punch
Or is a defensive Seismic Toss set
Anonymous
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>>16739645 Mega Obama's Hoe is one of the best wallbreakers in the game, or at least will be once pokebank comes out and Focus Punch starts wrecking shit. Until then, he's just weather usage for everyone's gimmicky hail team.
Anonymous
>>16739749 >+6 ... Power-Up Punch >Power-Up Punch Anon, first, each Power-Up Punch will chip away at your Mega Aggron. Second, almost all Mega Smogonmums run Earthquake. So it can kill you in two hits.
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion Wed 18 Dec 2013 02:28:16 No. 16739796 Report Quoted By:
does anyone know how well torment would work against M kang? Just thinking someone like gengar or sableye could abuse the hell out of it
Anonymous
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>>16739620 Pinsir is incredibly powerful, but really needs a team built around him to shine, in order to fix up any thing that can easily ruin his sweep and Stealth Rocks.
M-Mawile is powerful, but also very mediocre when it comes to megas since despite it's power it really doesn't have too much else for it. It's too slow that it relies on Sucker Punch to kill, complete Will-o-Wisp bait, and generally just a really easy Pokemon to deal with.
Anonymous
>>16739771 good luck switching into anything with a sub
Anonymous
>>16739780 >Can easily run physical or special, by the time you find out it could already be too late >Thanks to Adaptability, it can break through even dedicated Special/Physical walls with Aura Sphere/CC >Dickish Speed Tier means it won't get outsped easily >Can set up with SD/NP It's not as immediately threatening as Kang but it's the best Mega barring the obvious Ubers
Anonymous
>>16738967 Then when you mega evolve, you're crippled. Sableye is a counter to MEGA Kangaskhan.
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion Wed 18 Dec 2013 02:29:52 No. 16739851 Report Quoted By:
>>16739793 I run dragon tail on my aggron, so it wont get near that high.
Anonymous
>>16739711 they loved rain though, couldn't get enough of it. drizzle never got properly tested because >muh rain, instead they banned a whole bunch of shit wasting time on not uprooting the problem itself
you have to remember that these are the most defeatist shits in any competitive game environment. as soon as kang and luke get banned, people will be scared shitless that "OH SHIT WILE OHKO'S MUH SKARM". screenshot this if you like, you'll see it happen in a matter of time
Anonymous
>>16739842 >When you Mega Evolve, you're crippled Why, because you can't hit ghosts with Facade any more?
Mega Evolving doesn't suddenly make the burn take effect.
Anonymous
>>16739772 That's what is thought. I don't think it's been possible to test it yet. It's what happens on Showdown though.
Anonymous
>>16739225 Jellicent is 2HKOed by choice banded talonflame's brave bird
Anonymous
>>16739860 >drizzle never got properly tested It was suspected four times you stupid piece of shit. Jesus Christ, why are you people so fucking delusional?
Anonymous
>>16739749 Except it's not going to be M.Aggron when you switch in unless you mega'd it earlier.
Anonymous
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>>16739897 Mouthbreathing retards, aren't they?
Anonymous
>>16739866 it hits twice, then parental bond cancels out
you'll still die of crunch either way and kang can just switch out to shit like heatran
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion
King David|2766-8772-6781|kakuna,Venomoth,Drapion Wed 18 Dec 2013 02:34:34 No. 16739938 Report Quoted By:
>>16739893 really? gross.
>>16739903 I usually try to get M-Aggron out as soon as its safe to do so, it can be tough to find a good opportunity but they do come up, generally when the opponent uses a fairy pokemon.
Anonymous
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>>16737334 This nigga knows what's up. give 'em the ol' high jump kick.
Anonymous
>>16739837 Ah I see. I knew he was unpredictable last gen (being able to run Special or Physical sets), but I guess its new ability and higher stats just make it that much more annoying.
Still, I just always assume it's going to be Physical since most run Bullet Punch and/or Extreme Speed. Plus, its defenses aren't all that great either.
Anonymous
>>16739897 >four times uwotm8
It was only suspected once, and that's the same test that smogonfags were suspecting fucking BATON PASS for fucks sake.
Once BW2 came out, did Drizzle get suspected. OH FUCK NO!!! WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY EVER DO THAT!!!!!
Anonymous
>>16739945 >not running mixed NP with close combat Do you even OP?
Anonymous
>>16737246 >playing by smogon rules This is why you fucking suck and can't figure out something as easy countering a kangaskhan.
Anonymous
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>He can power up twice >He doesn't get burnt twice
Anonymous
>>16739972 I had a mixed one back in Black 2. Didn't like it too much since I really felt naked without a strong priority move.
Anonymous
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>>16740006 It has 112 Speed in mega form, which means you really don't need priority to sweep. You don't even need Attack EV's to one-shot Chansey and Blissey, or 2HKO Goodra.
Anonymous
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>>16739780 It can be Physical OR Special, having nearly close to 150 in both, being able to boost either (Nasty Plot or SD), and has an 80 power priority move in each (thanks to adaptability Bullet Punch or Vacuum Wave). If you guess wrong, you switch in the wrong wall and likely just got boosted on and lost a wall. If you guess right, you may still have lost a wall due to its insane attacking stats. Smogonbird checks it, Gengar checks it, Chansey somewhat counters special, Sableye somewhat counters physical, but it hits too hard for anything to take repeated hits, and given the right move, I think it can 2HKO everything in the game.
Anonymous
>>16739960 It was nominated MULTIPLE FUCKING TIMES and SUSPECTED FOUR TIMES in BW OU. Baton Pass was never nominated, but SMASHPASSING (TOTALLY FUCKING DIFFERENT) WAS.
Holy fucking shit are you literally retarded? Are you trying to make me angry? Cause well done, it fucking worked.
Anonymous
>>16739916 When I've played on Showdown, after the first hit, she loses Parental Bond.
If you're not running an Adamant Smogonmum, unless you get a crit, it takes three hits with Crunch to kill a 0 HP EV, 252 Def +Def or even a Neutral Def natured Cofagrigus.
So assuming you switch on the Power-Up Punch and M-Kanga goes for the Crunch, it wouldn't hit the second time and you have two guaranteed more turns, assuming she stays in.
Anonymous
>>16737279 No. If Ditto uses sucker punch, Khan can switch and now you're stuck. If you use Return, and Khan stays in, Khan wins on turn two using sucker punch. I've seen this over and over.
My largest problem with Khan is that its best set is its least popular set, the one you can't really predict. Fire Blast, Rock Slide, Fake Out, and Crunch destroyed me before. As far as I can tell, nothing is safe to switch into it. I've seen this topic 2 or 3 times before and I still haven't seen anyone come up with a counter who also isn't complete shit at other roles.
>>16739916 I can confirm this. It happened when I was in the Maison and my opponent had a Cofagrigus.
>>16739982 I'm high rated in singles (by non JP standards) and I see this guy everywhere. And no, this thing barely has any half decent revenge killers let alone counters. Killing Khan is never hard, but it always takes two Pokemon to do it in Wi-Fi.
Anonymous
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>>16739982 >Being retarded List five counters. Go.
Anonymous
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>>16739749 2HKOed by EQ.
Also, Mega kanga isn't 1HKOed by Superpower, therefore it isn't a safe switch in. Can't even scare it out.
So now that we've established that Mega Kangaskhan beats statistically the strongest physical wall in the game 1 on 1, are there any other candidates you'd like to throw out there?
Anonymous
>>16740096 Use a life orb then.
Anonymous
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>>16739916 Like he said, it's impossible to test. Cofag isn't in Gen VI yet, so what you've experienced is just Shodown's guess. They could be wrong. We'll only know when bank comes out.
Anonymous
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 235-277 (66.7 - 78.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Anonymous
>>16740156 So I take it MegaKanga just sits there twiddling its four thumbs while you Brave Bird it twice?
Is this bait?
Anonymous
>>16737246 Aegislash can counter it decently if you time a kings shield right.
Still lost tho because he just switched to for a talonflame.
Anonymous
>>16740156 >Using Talon Flame You are part of the problem
Anonymous
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>>16740224 What problem is that, Anon?
Good Pokemon?
Anonymous
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>>16740171 >kings shield affecting EQ Anonymous
>>16740170 Do you really think I'd let Mkanga set up while staying at 100%? SR+offensive team means I can easily whittle down mkanga to BB KO range while it sets up.
The same thing applies to Mluke and any other sweeper. Kill the fucker while it tries to set up. It's been working for over 3 generations.
Anonymous
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>>16740171 King's Shield doesn't work on EQ, which hits harder than Crunch.
Anonymous
>>16740119 Life Orb Ditto? No thanks, not interested in having my games decided by a coin toss. And Quick Claw Ditto is superior anyways though fuck anyone who uses it.
>>16740171 Earthquake isn't a contact move so it won't cause an attack drop. That said Weakness Policy Aegislash can OHKO Khan after the EQ.
That's the better question though. Who's a good check against both Khan and fire bird? Rhyperior?
Anonymous
>>16739451 >Mega Pinsir What? I don't think I heard you over the sound of Smoghawk and Smogox screaming "MINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINE" in the distance.
Smoghawk won, by 76 days. No, seriously, who the fuck is talking about banning Pinsirite? Mega Lucario is... understandable. M-Pinsir and M-Mawile are easily dealt with, especially if you have Rocks, Wisps, or bulk on your side.
>>16739683 What SmogonApproved(tm) playstyles do Pinsir and Mawile threaten? Even Stall isn't bothered by them thanks to WoW and SR.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>16740257 So, you can whittle it down and then revenge kill it?
You mean like can be done to every Pokemon in the game, ever?
Anonymous
>>16740330 Exactly. Which is why I don't think it should be banned.
Anonymous
>>16740360 I take it you also support the unbanning of Kyogre, Reshiram and Palkia for similar reasons
Anonymous
>>16740070 Not the same guy, but yes, Baton Pass was nominated.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ou-round-5-non-pokemon-suspect-voting.3455600/ Obviously this was because a vocal minority of smogonfags hated Baton Pass, and in the end it wasn't banned. Incidentally, this is the reason why users don't nominate suspects directly anymore.
Anonymous
>>16740325 Winner. In fact, Rock Polish Terrakion beats all of OU the team barring Klefki, and Klefki is a shit based on luck (if you argue you aren't using the best Klefki set).
Anonymous
>>16740325 Uber material.
The only thing I have which can deal with it is Landorus-T which is also uber material.
Anonymous
>>16740384 >Baton Pass was nominated >Hahahahaha all smogonfags believe this thing and I will use it as proof that they are always wrong about things! Anonymous
>>16740383 670 BST poke that can hold an item with a fuckhuge movepool != 590 BST poke that can't hold an item, has only two viable movesets, and takes up a mega slot.
Cry moar. I bet you supported the salamence ban.
Anonymous
>>16740429 But you can whittle down those 670 BST Pokes and then revenge them with a CB Brave Bird from Talonflame
Anonymous
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mega kanga without stoss is retarded but not unwinnable against.
Anonymous
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>>16740429 You said it shouldn't banned because it can be whittled down and revenge killed. Kyogre can too if you build a team around it. He was directly comparing after you basically agreed that you are an idiot. It's too late to change your mind and decide you aren't.
Anonymous
I've heard Mienshao is a good counter for M-Khan
Anonymous
>>16740429 Mega Khanga doesn't need to hold an item.
It's ability is a chioce band, but better.
The only thing that can counter it is Sableye which isn't guaranteed.
Anything that thinks it can counter Kangaskhan has a move that Kanga can run that counters it, or is ineffectual at what it should do normally.
Get out of the 1200 pools and fight someone who knows what they're doing.
Anonymous
>>16740449 Bait. Good job ignoring all my
Keep on getting anally devastated by mega milf and I'll keep on preventing the majority of mkanga sweeps against my team.
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>>16740394 >weak to three common priority types >no immunities >seven weaknesses >BST of 580, 129/79/108 offenses >uber material Mkay. Granted, it's really good, but Terrakion has enough vulnerabilities to keep it OU. (Mega) Scizor, Azumarill, (Mega) Lucario, and Rotom-W make its life miserable. It's balanced in the same way that Tyranitar is.
Anonymous
>>16740429 lmao, palkia, ogre, and reshiram, especially reshiram have basically one set with small variations that all have the same counters.
Every palkia - hydro pump / thunder / fire blast / spacial rend
Every Kyogre - Surf / Spout / thunder / ice beam
Every reshiram - Draco / blue flare / focus blast / dragon pulse. MAYBE roost and/or tailwind if unchoiced.
Doesnt make them easier to coutner because nothing switches into any of those sets. Just like kanga.
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>>16740511 You heard wrong
It's murdered by Return. Even if it switches into something like Power Up Punch, a +2 Sucker kills.
>>16740530 >Good job ignoring all my All your what anon? All your valid points?
Is the reason that you didn't type that bit out because you had none?
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>>16740423 >Obviously this was because a vocal minority of smogonfags hated Baton Pass, and in the end it wasn't banned. >hurr wuts muh reeding kompramuhenshun Anonymous
>>16740530 Good job ignoring all my points i mean.
>>16740517 You don't need a counter. Just a check. And even if pbond is essentially a choice band, it makes mkanga much more predicable. Imagine if mkanga could hold chople berry.
I got past 1200 on my first game. But keep on shitflinging.
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Gastro acid. GG kanga
Anonymous
>>16740587 >You don't need a counter You don't need a counter to the most dominant force in the metagame right now.
Alright. Great fucking sage advice. Oh wait it wasn't and you do and you're a fucking retard.
Anonymous
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>Kangaskhan evolved into Mega Kangaskhan! >Sableye used Will-O-Wisp! >Connection to your opponent has been interrupted
Anonymous
>>16740546 >Doesnt make them easier to coutner because nothing switches into any of those sets You can say that about literally any offensive pokemon these days. And mkanga hits far weaker than those ubers if it doesn't take a turn to PuP.
>>16740625 Do you not understand the concept of a check? If I can reliably check the one mega my opponent can have, is there seriously an issue?
Anonymous
>>16740587 But what you're not getting is if 1 Pokemon is significantly better than others, it can lead to teams being broken down much more easily-- which completely disrupts the dynamics of a Pokemon battle. If one enemy Pokemon is powerful to the point it's almost guaranteed to take down several others, it will often decide the whole game right there. You're ignoring the fact that with such a game dynamic, the ability to win via skill is trounced.
In a meta where 1 Pokemon easily busts through several others just because it's better the game isn't about skill-- it's about who is lucky enough to find a chance to smash the other side first.
The proof is in the pudding-- just play on the ladder watch games, and I guarantee you'll be disgusted at how many games there are where the OBVIOUSLY better player (completely outplaying the opponent) loses just because of a lucky Mega Kang sweep.
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>>16740714 >check the one mega my opponent can have >mega kangaskhan Pick one.
Anonymous
>>16740714 >Do you not understand the concept of a check? If I can reliably check the one mega my opponent can have, is there seriously an issue? Yes because you cannot fucking switch into it meaning you will have to sacrifice a Pokémon just to beat it one-on-one. Then when it switches out, what will fucking happen? Do you intend on saccing a different mon every time it comes in?
Anonymous
>>16740720 Choutoshio pls go
Anonymous
>>16740714 >If I can reliably check the one mega my opponent can have, is there seriously an issue? With what?
the problem with pushing that argument revolves on whether said "less conventional Pokemon" are able to handle the conditions of the metagame (whether they can actually win against enemies besides their intended target). Generally, the answer is "no". In the case of Mega Kang though, even the less conventional "counters" are all shaky at best, and generally are not hard for Kang to destroy-- never mind the rest of the metagame destroying them outright.
Anonymous
What do you think of a Togekiss paraflinch counter?
Anonymous
>>16740752 No, these arguments have been shutdown a hundred times before, why should I keep repeating myself.
Anonymous
>>16740805 It doesn't need to run Rock Slide when it outspeeds and can 2HKO 252/252+ with Return, or Seismic Toss.
Anonymous
>>16740805 +2 Return = Die
It's not even a check. You'll die before you even get to paralyse it.
Anonymous
>>16740805 Kanga outspeeds and OHKO's with a +2 return
Anonymous
>>16740843 >para >pray with air slash that's my general battle strategy haha
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>>16740815 >>16740848 >>16740863 alright im crap at pokemons i get it :P
Anonymous
Anonymous
Also, it can't W-o-W so it tends to get overlooked, but Whimsicott resists all of Kangaskhan's common moves except its STAB.
Anonymous
>>16740720 Mkanga is not guaranteed to take out several pokes EZ. If you have a niche counter (like sableye) mkanga can't reliably set up then sweep. If you have a check, then mkanga either dies the turn after it kills your poke or is forced to switch out.
That's why I'm ok with the mgengar ban. mgengar WAS guaranteed to take out multiple pokemon thanks to shadow tag. Banned under support. Mkanga (and mluke) are inherently different. They're straight up sweepers.
>>16740740 If it switches out it's just taking residual damage and most likely won't have as good of a setup opportunity as it did the first time.
>>16740754 Rocky helmet garchomp deals 50% damage to mkanga if it switches into a PuP. It can then outspeed and KO with EQ or force Mkanga to use the much weaker sucker punch. Terrakion is a solid check and I personally use talonflame.
tbh I wouldn't be that upset with a mkanga ban. But then there's retards who talk about banning Mluke, Mpinsir, and M-fucking-mawhile of all things. I just hate how everyone, both /vp/ and smogon, love talking about bans instead of simply adjusting their teams to anti-meta.
Anonymous
>>16740912 >resists all of Kangaskhan's common moves looks good
>except its STAB badaboom badabing ya done
Anonymous
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>>16740868 That's a check. It's not a counter because it can't switch in unless you predict an Earthquake. Even if you predict PuP, +2 Return OHKOs.
Anonymous
>>16740950 Does an unboosted return OHKO? If not, then whimsicoot sleep powders and seeds
Anonymous
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>>16740950 encore helps with that a little bit, you just gotta be able to tank what you switch into.
Anonymous
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>>16740282 Can Talonflame switch into a thrash and live?
Anonymous
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>>16740990 >Whimsicott >Sleep Powder You either Encore it, die, then force it out with a ghost type, or Stun Spore it and die then force it out with something faster. If you're not 252/252+ you WILL die to a Return.
Anonymous
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>>16737391 A Ditto #rekt my CharY with sun powered Heat Waves.
Anonymous
>>16740946 Let's take a look at our friend Palkia. Everything you jsut described about Mega Kanga describes Palkia. There is nothing that can take two full powered hits from a Specs Palkia, so most people just fodder and check it. It's not that hard to do so, but Palkia is still uber because it is guaranteed to take out AT LEAST 1 Pokemon. Mega Kanga is the same way, so it should go to ubers. Tell me I'm wrong.
Anonymous
Anonymous
Ferrothorn
Anonymous
>>16741076 What palkia can do has zero impact on mkanga's status. Blaziken is barely viable in ubers and excadrill's uber set was a bulky RS set that would have definitely been manageable in OU.
I have no intention of being dragged into arguing that palkia should be OU.
Anonymous
>>16741163 >Switch in on Power Up Punch >Kang takes 50% from Rocky Helmet/Iron Barbs >KOs you with +2 EQ >Proceeds to sweep Th-thanks
Anonymous
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>>16738114 My good African-American friend.
Anonymous
>>16741183 Excadrill was Uber because his stat distrib plus permanent speed in Sandstorm was bullshit
Anonymous
>>16741183 >Blaziken is barely viable in ubers Stop
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>16741183 I'm asking you why Mega Kangaroo should be OU but Paljia shouldn't? What does Palkia have that Kanga doesn't?
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>>16741278 Kangaroo was intentional.
Paljia was a typo.
Anonymous
>>16741203 Still, what can counter it is dependent on it's movepool. Crunch, Fire Punch, etc all can directly counter it's "counters." The only way to find out what it has is to sacrifice some of your pokemon, because nothing is a 100% answer.
Anonymous
>>16741334 So in conclusion, Mega Kang's counters don't actually counter it.
This has been a blast. See you when PokeBank is released and this fuck is gone for good.
Anonymous
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>>16741391 That's what I've been trying to say for the last 2 weeks, but no one listens.
Anonymous
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>>16741235 My point was that Ubers excadrill is completely different than OU excadrill
>>16741246 I don't play much ubers so I'm probably wrong here. But blaziken is far less common and powerful in ubers.
The point I'm trying to make is that just because blaziken and excadrill were banned does not imply they're on the same level as xerneas and zekrom.
Anonymous
Can we all at least agree that mega-roo is a fucking blight and anyone who uses her should die in a fire?
Anonymous
>>16741453 >her Fucking autists are ruining /vp/
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I've been using Mega-Banette. That fucker is underrated.
Anonymous
>>16741183 >Blaziken is barely viable in ubers Ubers is a banlist first, and a playlist second.
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>>16741453 At least people who use Mega Kanga know they're hated. People who use Aegislash are way worse because they have this feeling of superiority from using him, like he's a burden that they carried through and still won despite of.
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>>16741453 I use her
I still voted to quickban Anonymous
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>>16741484 but mega-kang is a "her". :^)
Anonymous
>>16741484 Kanagaskhan is a female only species. If me calling her a her causes you to sperg out, I wouldn't be so quick to call others autistic
Anonymous
>>16741563 It is a piece of data.
Anonymous
>>16741334 Just like volcarona in gen 5 and lucario in gen 4. Or DD tar in any gen. Keep up with the meta and assume the most common coverage move. Then you'll beat mkanga the majority of the time and get net wins.
>>16741278 How palkia performs in Ubers has no standing on whether or not mkanga should be banned.
>>16741512 I realize that. Tell it to the anon that is trying to compare palkia to mkanga.
Anonymous
>>16740815 Chou, please don't subject yourself to this place. Especially not this place discussing competitive. It'll turn your brain into jelly.
Anonymous
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no reliable counters
Anonymous
>>16741576 That you're getting upset over
Hilarious, no?
Anonymous
>>16741593 I'm not Chou, and I just realized how ambiguous that post was. Too drunk and tired.
I got tire of responding to these people, so I just copypasted his posts.
Anonymous
>>16741631 That you are trying to personify
Hilarious, no?
Anonymous
Gourgeist>Immune to PuP >Immune to Return >Resists EQ >won't get Sucker punched if you're not a retard >Bulky enough to tank Crunch, even with no Def investment >Will-O-Wisp >Confuse Ray >Leech Seed
Anonymous
>>16741587 Please just read my statement and answer my question. The fact that you're avoiding it only makes it seem like you have no opinion of your own.
Palkia was banned because it had no reliable counters, only checks, so obviously this is ground for banning, and Mega Kanga fits the same requirement.
For the reason that IT HAS NO COUNTERS (forget Palkia), should Mega Kanga be banned?
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>>16741680 It has a gender in game. Why not refer to it how it is? Harry Potter is a fictional character. Would you say he killed Voldemort or it killed Voldemort?
Anonymous
the best counter to megakhan is mega luke. outspeeds it and takes it out with one hit from close combat. sucker punch cant do shit to it. ferrothorn isnt even close to as good as luke is as a counter. whenever my opponent sends out ferro i pup then earthquake it and it gets destroyed however stayin in on mega luke is one thing i never do
Anonymous
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I just run a Counter Forretress and it shits on pretty much every physical attacker.
Anonymous
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>>16741770 good fucking luck switching in mega luke though
also it's getting banned next anyway so who gives a fuck Anonymous
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>>16741680 How the hell is simply using a gendered pronoun in the appropriate context "trying to personify?"
Should I not refer to the gender of fictional characters as well because
>Hurrdurr dey don exist Christ, go be a nitpicky turd somewhere else.
Anonymous
Why doesn't anyone try using gastro acid? It can be useful for lots of ability-dependent Pokemon but everyone completely ignores it.
Anonymous
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>>16741681 gets 2hko by crunch and fire punch
1hko at +2
You better hope they don't read the switch.
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>>16741657 >>16741593 I wonder if Chou browses /vp/I wonder how frustrated he'd get at these threads Anonymous
>>16741721 First of all, Palkia was banned straight out of the box for being a cover legendary. So saying it was banned for having no counters is false. (Although it's probably true in OU)
Mkanga being banned rests solely on its own performance in the OU tier. What palkia can do has no impact on that. If mkanga is banned it will be by its own merit. Not by being compared to palkia or groudon.
My opinion of palkia is entirely irrelevant to this thread. In fact, I legitimately have no opinion on OU palkia because I have never used palkia in OU. And I don't want to.
Ignoring the fact that kanga does have a handful of reliable counters, I do not believe that you need to have counters to stay in OU. Because even if there were counters, there are plenty of (offensive) teams that will manage through only using checks. The same way they counter any other offensive sweeper.
If you still don't understand what I'm saying then I have no reason to respect your opinion
Anonymous
Lots of things are uncounterable without being broken. Hydreigon had a move for every pokemon in the game last gen.
Anonymous
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>>16740389 Swagger+Thunder Wave+Substitue+Foul Play?
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>>16740389 But the best Klefki set is Dual Screener
Anonymous
>>16741923 With a shitty typing and abysmal speed. It was revenge kill fodder.
Anonymous
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>>16741923 that's because last gen was so hopelessly HO that no one even thought of countering anything
also it has less than 100 speed which sucks
Anonymous
>>16741982 Same with Kanga.
Anonymous
>>16741999 >implying Even if you know what your're doing, mega mom can take out 2-4 pokemon before going down.
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>>16741999 Kanga has a better typing, better speed, better bulk and PRIORITY. Hydreigon never got Sucker Punch or more than Jirachi's defences.
Anonymous
Anonymous
Sableye and swampert (in pokebank OU) both work wonders against M-Khan. Sableye is explanatory and Swampert's bulk and the fact that it can 1HKO M-Khan with superpower makes it a great choice.
Anonymous
>>16741907 I completely understand what you're saying, but we are disagreeing on two major points: I believe Mega Kanga has no counters in OU, and I believe anything that can't be countered should be banned. If we can't agree on both of these, then we have no way to agree on the overall topic. So I guess, let the vote decide.
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>>16742016 And then once it goes below 10% you bring out one of your 3 pokemon with healing wish to bring it back.
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>>16742057 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Hawlucha: 330-391 (110.7 - 131.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Re-opened
>captcha: vprong was Anonymous
>>16742081 >>16741907 Just jumping in to this conversation to ask a question.
Are there any other pokemon in OU currently that have no reliable counters?
Anonymous
>>16742072 252+ Atk Swampert Superpower vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kangaskhan: 256-302 (72.9 - 86%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Try again.
Also, enjoy being Bullet Seeded, Grass Knotted, etc.
Anonymous
>>16742161 Forgot to mention that I run a banded swampert. Also
>bullet seed >grass knot That's why I use other pokemon too.
Anonymous
>>16742192 You get hit on the switch in, and then out sped.
Anonymous
>>16742122 Maybe mixed Aegislash. It's the only thing that comes to mind.
Anonymous
>>16742072 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Swampert: 207-244 (51.2 - 60.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
If you switch into a Return
+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Swampert: 411-486 (101.7 - 120.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
If you switch into a PuP
Anonymous
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>>16742237 Aegislash is o retarded.
It's not even hard to uses.
Anonymous
>>16742216 >switching into an obvious attack that will probably compromise your counter That's what predicting is for.
Anonymous
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>>16742270 So you're counter relies purely on prediction?
Anonymous
Although not a counter, per se, I've had good luck using Malamar against M-Kang.
Anonymous
>>16742253 Even assuming you do switch into a Crunch or EQ, you still take the Return and then OHKO, leaving you with a -1/-1 banded Pert locked into Superpower. That's set up fodder for a lot of stuff, and that Swampert isn't going to be able to tank anything else this battle. You beat their Mega, but lost momentum and almost foddered one of your own Pokemon.
Anonymous
>>16742301 Forgot to mention, I run Expert Belt on my Malamar.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>16742321 If they're running band it's probably max HP/attack Adamant, in which case EQ 2HKOs and Crunch + Return does the same. Even if you're running 252/252+ defense BandPert, first of all you're running some bullshit set, and secondly you won't KO with Superpower.
Anonymous
>>16742122 Charizard has no 100% before it mega-evolves. You have to guess X or Y since they're countered by different pokemon.
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>>16742301 Kanga outspeeds Malamar. Not sure about Defensive Kanga, but Mega Kanga's base speed is 100, and Malamar's is 73.
Anonymous
>>16742122 MegaLuke is pretty fuckin tough
Anonymous
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>>16742375 Special Mega Lucariois retarded.
Anonymous
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>>16742359 By the same token, Mega Lucario has Special counters and Physical counters, but nothing counters both.
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>>16742357 All I know is that it's working for me. I've never had any problems with m-khan because of my swampert and m-manectric. I was just stating how I usually counter m-khan.
Anonymous
>>16742375 >>16742359 >>16742237 If all these are indeed all "counterless" mons, what metric should be used to decide whether a poke should go to ubers or not?
Anonymous
>>16742353 Whatever, you'll still get out sped and 2-shot.
You'll also get 2 shot by seismic toss Mega-Kanga.
Anonymous
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ITT: People have no idea what a counter is in pokemon
Anonymous
>>16742441 After the first hit you'll also know to switch into a counter.
Malamar is pretty easy to take down.
Anonymous
OMG Starmie has no counters pls ban
Anonymous
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>>16742353 Adamant nature
Attack: 252
HP: 172
Sp. Def: 86
Maybe not the best spread, but good enough to get the results I want
Anonymous
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>>16739780 The physical set isn't the issue, the problem is the special set.
After one nasty plot it can 2HKO just about everything in the game, including evolite chansey. It literally can't be walled.
+2 252 SpA Adaptability Mega Lucario Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Chansey: 344-408 (48.8 - 57.9%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO
Anonymous
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>>16742463 Malamar isn't really meant to counter anything besides Aegislash.
He's sorta like Electivire: best used as a late-game sweeper once the rest of your team as softened/broken down the opponent.
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>>16742433 The thing that makes MegaLuke so devestating is that even once you've figured out which side it's hitting you from, it's not easy to wall it due to its ability to break through physical walls with Adaptability STAB Close Combat and special ones with Adaptability STAB Aura Sphere. The ability to instantly double either attacking stat only compounds this. Charizard, while it hits hard, doesn't have anything close to that.
Anonymous
>>16742433 2 of those aren't counterless, just prediction bait. Protect, U-turn, Volt Switch, and death fodder (see weakened Pokemon like a silly choice banded Swampert) work wonders against them. Mixed Aegislash is debatable. King's shield not working on EQ makes most Pokemon with it at least somewhat of a check, and bulkier mons with EQ may be able to counter entirely. I haven't experimented much.
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The best solution for me is to predict the SD/NP and KO it while it sets up. Most offensive pokemon can easily do that.
Anonymous
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>almost 2014 >not using a Diancie to counter MegaMom
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>>16742570 Weakness Policy on Aegislash has been a nice to me against EQ users.
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>ctrl + F Mandibuzz >no results
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>>16742629 Weakness policy shenanigans is why I stick to Rotom W most time to deal with SmogonSword.
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>>16742629 Weakness Policy Autotomize is great fun to use
A regular Mixed set would prefer something like Life Orb, or even Spooky Plate
Woe 4098 2912 6219 (Hoothoot, Doduo, Fletchinder)
Woe 4098 2912 6219 (Hoothoot, Doduo, Fletchinder) Wed 18 Dec 2013 05:05:28 No. 16742716 Report >>16740085 What program is this?
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>>16741811 >running pokemon with gastro acid Anonymous
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>>16742854 tfw when no prankster gastro acid
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>>16739835 Foul play breaks sub, take less than 50% damage from physical attack on next turn and recover predicting switch. rinse and repeat as needed. problem?
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>>16739864 Because Mega Evolving takes away Scrappy. The only thing that walls Mega Kanga is ghosts anyway, so when you mega and your scrappy is gone, you're essentially crippled
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>>16740156 This only shows that Kangaskhan can't switch into Talonflame's Brave Bird, you fucking retard. The flame of talon is OHKOed by Return. Talonflame is a shaky check, at best.
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>>16740325 1HKOed by Earthquake.
Also, can't switch into a powerup punch + sucker punch combo. Powerup punch does 50% to 0/0 terrakion, then +2 sucker punch does the other 50%. Another shaky check.
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>>16741907 >Ignoring the fact that kanga does have a handful of reliable counters Name them
Woe 4098 2912 6219 (Hoothoot, Doduo, Fletchinder)
Woe 4098 2912 6219 (Hoothoot, Doduo, Fletchinder) Wed 18 Dec 2013 05:48:13 No. 16743486 Report Quoted By:
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>>16742485 Ferrothorn, Blissey, most fairy types, mega venusaur, specially defensive celebi. are you even trying?
