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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:13:00 No.16777245 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>16777275 >>16777296 >>16777378 >>16777522

>People thought GF was stupid for making a defensive ice type

Now Avalugg is one of the best pokemon to come out of gen 6.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:14:09 No.16777262 Report

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Why? What happened?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:14:38 No.16777268 Report

Quoted By: >>16777391

>sp def
just begging to be ohko

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:15:03 No.16777275 Report

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>>16777245

I have had zero success with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:16:13 No.16777296 Report

Quoted By: >>16777322

>>16777245
Mirror Coat+Sturdy

Also it can take any unboosted physical, a good spinner too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:16:35 No.16777306 Report

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I've been able to get a few avalanche knockouts but it's not the best wall

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:17:36 No.16777322 Report

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>>16777296
Also curse+recover

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:17:58 No.16777330 Report

Quoted By: >>16777348

>physical wall
>gets wrecked by every major physical threat of the generation

It's shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:18:58 No.16777348 Report

Quoted By: >>16777445

>>16777330
That might be your own fault.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:20:19 No.16777378 Report

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>>16777245
>Dat Sugimori artwork

Why does Avalugg's art look unusually good compared to most of the new art?

Shane 0146 9389 5851 [heracross - Illumise - Combee]

Shane 0146 9389 5851 [heracross - Illumise - Combee] Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:21:10 No.16777391 Report

Quoted By: >>16777493

>>16777268
sturdy + mirror coat.

do you know how many disconnects i get when this guy comes in and revenge kills mewtwos and Geomancy xerneas'?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:24:32 No.16777445 Report

Quoted By: >>16777564 >>16777697

>>16777348
252 Atk Adaptability Mega Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 264-312 (67 - 79.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 244-289 (61.9 - 73.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 252 Atk Aerilate Mega Pinsir Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 229-270 (58.1 - 68.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

The proof is in the math.
It can't switch on any of the physical threats of the generation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:25:05 No.16777456 Report

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>Avalanche for dragons
>Rapid spin for team lovin
>Roar for the absolutely ridiculous amounts of physical boost-to-winners
>Recover for never dying

10/10 total bro, favorite physical wall ever. Before I always used one out of necessity, but I actually like using Avalugg.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:26:11 No.16777477 Report

Quoted By: >>16777554

on paper he might seem good but he's pretty mediocre

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:27:17 No.16777493 Report

Quoted By: >>16777574

>>16777391
But Avalugg is left useless at 1 HP, meaning it's a one-for-one kill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:29:00 No.16777522 Report

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>>16777245
who designs this, lol

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:31:07 No.16777549 Report

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>shitty longevity due to stealth rock weakness, so it's quickly worn down
>absolutely shit wrecked by a majority of the physical power houses of this generation

Resistances are massively important in a wall. It offers far more EHP and utility.

Shane 0146 9389 5851 [heracross - Illumise - Combee]

Shane 0146 9389 5851 [heracross - Illumise - Combee] Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:31:14 No.16777554 Report

Quoted By: >>16777575

>>16777477
they only time it lets me down is when it gets poisoned or burned. and that only hurts me against spatks. the ammount of mega balzikens and kangaskhans ive walled is glorious. though with the latter i have to use some avalanches before the PuP get to big.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:31:51 No.16777564 Report

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>>16777445
Not everyone is packing those, I didn't say it was invincible.

Shane 0146 9389 5851 [heracross - Illumise - Combee]

Shane 0146 9389 5851 [heracross - Illumise - Combee] Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:32:27 No.16777574 Report

Quoted By: >>16777617

>>16777493
when a geomancy xerneas is about to wreck house, its worth it. plus with all the low accuracy moves people run, ive avoided many attacks just to use a recover and continue having a blast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:32:27 No.16777575 Report

Quoted By: >>16777604

>>16777554
You're only going to beat a Mkangaskhan with an avalugg if the other person is absolutely retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:32:50 No.16777577 Report

Quoted By: >>16777629

He's alright for trick room teams but he doesnt have good moves for it.

Shane 0146 9389 5851 [heracross - Illumise - Combee]

Shane 0146 9389 5851 [heracross - Illumise - Combee] Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:34:00 No.16777604 Report

Quoted By: >>16777705

>>16777575
i had 2 curses and 2hko with avalanche while they were spamming Pup/return. ive done this several times. clearly you cant even avalugg

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:34:47 No.16777617 Report

Quoted By: >>16777665 >>16777718

>>16777574
Xerneas can be revenged kill by other pokemon more reliably.
Sturdy stops working once your opponent bothers having entry hazards. Instead, you're relying on your opponent being bad.
Not to mention that avalugg can't switch into a Xerneas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:35:25 No.16777629 Report

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>>16777577
It's honestly better off slow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:37:28 No.16777665 Report

Quoted By: >>16777731

>>16777617
>Not to mention that avalugg can't switch into a Xerneas.
You switch it the moment your opponent switches into xerneas, as its first move is always geomancy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:39:08 No.16777697 Report

Quoted By: >>16777763

>>16777445
>Thinking M Luke won't be next in ubers.
>Ubers.
>Pinsir will more than likely become uber once people catch onto how broken "ixilate" skills are.

Why don't you trying showing some of those with actually OU pokemon, like Scizor. I'm actually curious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:39:29 No.16777705 Report

Quoted By: >>16777769 >>16778293

>>16777604
Clearly you're playing against idiots.
What person sends a Kangaskhan into an avalugg with multiple curses?
The common scenario is that the guy will send his kanga on a pokemon that it forces out.
You send your avalugg trying to stop it, it gets hit by PuP and then you get two shotted by Return.

Stop pretending that your wins against 12 years old on battlespot mean anything.

+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 244-289 (61.9 - 73.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:40:19 No.16777718 Report

Quoted By: >>16777806

>>16777617
Avalugg rapes Xerneas completely.
>Xerneas uses Geomancy turn 1
>Avalugg uses Gyro Ball
Guaranteed 1 hit KO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:41:03 No.16777731 Report

Quoted By: >>16777761 >>16777773

>>16777665
>first move is always geomancy
try playing against people who aren't bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:42:35 No.16777761 Report

Quoted By:

>>16777731
Too bad 95% of Showdown is bad, whilst 75% of Wi-Fi is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:42:45 No.16777763 Report

Quoted By: >>16777820

>>16777697
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Scizor Superpower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 343-406 (87 - 103%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Scizor Superpower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 200-236 (50.7 - 59.8%) -- 85.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Avalugg can't switch into scizor either.

Shane 0146 9389 5851 [heracross - Illumise - Combee]

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Shane 0146 9389 5851 [heracross - Illumise - Combee] Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:43:07 No.16777769 Report

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>>16777705
you mad

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:43:22 No.16777773 Report

Quoted By: >>16777840

>>16777731
If it's not Geomancy it's a special move that can be countered by Mirror Coat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:44:31 No.16777806 Report

Quoted By: >>16777856 >>16777922

>>16777718
4 Atk Avalugg Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Xerneas: 260-306 (65.9 - 77.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I'm sorry, what was that?
Did you say guaranteed one hit KO?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:45:11 No.16777820 Report

Quoted By: >>16779074

>>16777763
Calm down, I said I was curious.

Although, you're doing it calculating with Superpower. I don't know what the deal will be once bank comes out, but for the moment, I thought that move was illegal.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:46:06 No.16777834 Report

Quoted By: >>16777902 >>16778196

I fucking love Avalugg
I run it with Weakness Policy to fuck niggas up.

But which would be best for the last slot? Right now I have Mirror Coat along with Curse, Recover, Avalanche.
Debating switiching Mirror Coat to Gyro Ball for shits or Earthquake because EQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:46:19 No.16777840 Report

Quoted By: >>16777884 >>16777933

>>16777773
Which will never work consider there's going to be hazards up 99% of the time and your avalugg is probably going to have prior damage.

Shane 0146 9389 5851 [heracross - Illumise - Combee]

Shane 0146 9389 5851 [heracross - Illumise - Combee] Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:46:55 No.16777856 Report

Quoted By: >>16777879 >>16777891

>>16777806
you didnt add the geomancy speed did you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:48:34 No.16777879 Report

Quoted By: >>16777935

>>16777856
Gyro Ball caps at so much power, it doesn't go up infinitely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:48:48 No.16777884 Report

Quoted By: >>16777919

>>16777840
>99% of the time
>never work
That's a gross exaggeration.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:49:02 No.16777891 Report

Quoted By: >>16777935

>>16777856
he used 150 bp, which is gyro ball's max.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:49:51 No.16777902 Report

Quoted By: >>16777940

>>16777834
I'd just breed another one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:51:21 No.16777919 Report

Quoted By: >>16778003

>>16777884
How many possible times can the situation come up that the opponent has no entry hazards and your avalugg has taken no prior damage at all?
Please assume your opponent isn't retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:51:25 No.16777922 Report

Quoted By: >>16777935 >>16777955 >>16777956 >>16777958

>>16777806
Every single match I've fought a Xerneas, I've 1 shotted it. Remember, Xerneas also gets a Speed boost from Geomancy, making Gyro Ball do even more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:52:36 No.16777933 Report

Quoted By: >>16777964

>>16777840
>Hazards up 99% of the time
Maybe on Showdown, but never on Wi-Fi.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:52:38 No.16777935 Report

Quoted By: >>16777965

>>16777922
See >>16777879 and >>16777891

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:52:43 No.16777940 Report

Quoted By:

>>16777902
Right now it's just on showdown

Cooler (Avalugg) (M) @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Recover
- Curse
- Mirror Coat
- Avalanche

Hazards are everywhere so I'm debating EQ but Gyro Ball seems it could be funny sometimes. And sometimes there's the rare occasion that a special Fire/Fighting moce DOESN'T ohko me and also ttar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:53:20 No.16777955 Report

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>>16777922
252+ Atk Avalugg Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0- Def Xerneas: 388-458 (98.4 - 116.2%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
This is with a +Attack nature on Avalugg and -Defence on Xerneas. Are you playing on the cart where they might have imperfect IVs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:53:24 No.16777956 Report

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>>16777922
No, it doesn't. 150 BP is the max amount of damage that Gyro Ball can do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:53:28 No.16777958 Report

Quoted By: >>16778027

>>16777922
Gyro Ball
Has
A
Max
Damage
Cap

The 12
year olds
you fight on battlespot
don't have perfect Xerneas

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:53:58 No.16777964 Report

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>>16777933
Wifi is 3v3 where you shouldn't even consider the same factors as 6v6, since 3v3 is an entirely different metagame where stuff like Trick Room and Tailwind are incredibly viable strategies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:53:59 No.16777965 Report

Quoted By: >>16777991 >>16778024

>>16777935
Regardless, I've always gotten a 1 shot. You miscalculated.

Checkmate, Atheist.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:54:53 No.16777991 Report

Quoted By: >>16778016

>>16777965

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:55:13 No.16778003 Report

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>>16777919
Not everyone uses entry hazards dude also if you switch in like you said.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:55:55 No.16778016 Report

Quoted By: >>16778027

>>16777991
But I'm not lying, I'd show you a few replays but I'm on my mobile at the moment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:56:29 No.16778024 Report

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>>16777965
Or we can just use occam's razor and assume that the people you're fighting are 12 year olds using shitty natures and shitty IVs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 01:56:37 No.16778027 Report

Quoted By:

>>16778016
see
>>16777958

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 02:05:40 No.16778196 Report

Quoted By: >>16778262

>>16777834
Sounds like the one I just bred today. Haven't EV trained him yet, but he's Relaxed Nature with 31/31/31/31/31/0 wait. shit. I think I forgot about Mirror Coat. FFFFFFUUUUUUUUU goddamned daycare overwriting mah egg moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 02:10:59 No.16778262 Report

Quoted By: >>16778299

>>16778196
Egg moves aren't overwritten until you take the parents out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 02:12:35 No.16778293 Report

Quoted By:

>>16777705
clearly you are playing against idiots
what person let such a frail wall set

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 02:12:54 No.16778299 Report

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>>16778262
I'm aware. I just forgot to add it back on after rechecking my parents IVs. Because none of their babbys had 31 ATK dispite one of them having 31 ATK.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2013 02:57:30 No.16779074 Report

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>>16777820
Illegal? Why?

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