>>16796596>No one will try to smash a defensive wall with Talonflame, unless it's using a sun-boosted Flare Blitz, and even in that case it's retarded.Doesn't change the fact that plenty of things can wall it all day, even Adamant ones with Band.
>Only the fact that it's capable of almost 2HKO a "counter" prove that the bird is actually menacing.I am not
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>>16795610, I simply pointed out that Cofagrigus can take two hits from Banded Adamant Talonflame, not that it was a counter.
>Also, do you know how Pain Split work?Yes. But, after some math, it isn't a counter anyway.
After two Brave Birds on Cofagrigus, an average of 284 damage, Talonflame will have taken 85 points of damage in recoil and have 213 HP left (assuming 4 HP EVs). Cofagrigus will have 36 HP left after the second Brave Bird, and can Pain Split so that it and Talonflame both have 125 HP left. Talonflame KOs with a third Brave Bird, takes recoil damage and has 87 HP left.
At any rate plenty of other stuff can wall it. Cofagrigus can't simply because it doesn't have any recovery. Gliscor walls it all day. Mandibuzz does too. Those are two Pokemon I personally use on most of my teams, and they don't even resist Brave Bird.
The only thing Talonflame has done is cause a decline in sanic fast paper-defenses sweepers.
