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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 05:53:44 No.16850041 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>16850112 >>16850122 >>16850126 >>16850198 >>16850270 >>16850355

ITT: We analyse how different types work in the metagame. I'll start off.

>Fire
The Glass Cannon type, populated by sanic speed demons and special sweepers.
>Steel
Tanking everything with high defence, mostly physical.
>Water
Masuda's waifu. It only does everything.
>Fairy
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 05:55:25 No.16850060 Report

Quoted By: >>16850076 >>16850902

>Ice type
Good at being dead
>Ghost type
Gengar

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 05:56:58 No.16850076 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850060
>Gengar
>not Smogonsword

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 05:59:08 No.16850112 Report

Quoted By: >>16851126

>>16850041
>Electric
Huh? Oh yeah. That type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 05:59:46 No.16850122 Report

Quoted By: >>16850143 >>16850148 >>16850170 >>16850270

>>16850041
>Laughing at fairy type
You're probably going to be one of the first people to bitch when something with good stat distribution shows ups up with that typing. That typing is overpowered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:00:01 No.16850126 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850041
>Psychic
Truly life is suffering

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:01:07 No.16850143 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850122
That's like four years away

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:01:45 No.16850148 Report

Quoted By: >>16850216

>>16850122
>implying that'll happen
kek
stay denial, fairyfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:03:08 No.16850170 Report

Quoted By: >>16850261

>>16850122
How does it feel to know that dragons are hard-counters to fairies rather than the other way around?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:05:08 No.16850198 Report

Quoted By: >>16850233

>>16850041
They're new, give it a gen or two, maybe a few more type changes and a boosted movepool, it'll get there

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:05:22 No.16850203 Report

Quoted By: >>16850237 >>16851386

Fire, marketed as an offensive type, in reality, it has the most resistances of any typing.
It's only held back by WHAT it's weak to, rather than amount.

Grass. Support type that gets crapped on constantly. Synthesis is by far the worst recovery move, all the powders have terrible accuracy and any good grass moves like spore and power whip have terrible distribution. Unlike other types, the only weather that helps it, equally fucks it over. Weak to everything, resisted by everything. Only saving grace is ground and water resistance due to how good those other two typings are.

Water. Masuda's mistress. Gets everything and anything. Gets better burn moves than fire.

Fairies. Balanced around marketing gamefreak's favorite pokemon rather than actual balanced. Fairy resistances were made to get rid of as many of Mega Waifu's weaknesses as they could. Fire got to resist fairy in order to keep their precious lucario, blaziken and mega charizard safe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:05:50 No.16850216 Report

Quoted By: >>16850260

>>16850148
>overpowered
>meaning I think it needs a nerf
>thinking I'm a Fairyfag
>trying to bait
You really think that will never happen to the end of series? Why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:06:42 No.16850233 Report

Quoted By: >>16850285 >>16850386 >>16851185

>>16850198
>b-but it could happen? they could be good, right?
>I WANT TO BELIEVE
kek

They were only created because of pandering. If they really cared about balance, they'd just buff Ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:07:01 No.16850237 Report

Quoted By: >>16850279

>>16850203
>lucario
>fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:07:40 No.16850245 Report

Quoted By: >>16850343

Dark.
Meant to be a tricky typing with a lot of control moves.
In reality, most of dark moves are overly specific and totally useless in most realistic battle situations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:09:18 No.16850260 Report

Quoted By: >>16850306

>>16850216
no, the fact that the type with the third lowest base stat has any sort of competition with the highets base stat typing in the game is hilarious and at the same time cringe worthy. trying to fight garchomp with sylveon is like trying to fight arceus-fire with luvdisc. the type advantages alone are nothing without the pokemon themselves.

a few legendaries with >600 BST will not change anything. just ask Xerneas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:09:21 No.16850261 Report

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>>16850170
Again
>thinking I'm a fairyfag
>wanting it to fail in the first place
It's not the other way around. Fairies make okay checks (typing alone shouldn't counter anyway), you saying that confirms you don't know what a counter is to begin with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:10:10 No.16850270 Report

Quoted By: >>16850279 >>16850284 >>16851395

>>16850041
>>16850122
> fairy
>shitty stat distribution

SO Mawile, Xerneas, Azumarill, Clefable and Mega Gardevoir are completely useless, suuuuure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:11:02 No.16850279 Report

Quoted By: >>16851401

>>16850237
Steel typing protects it from a fairy weakness.

>>16850270
Mawile, clefable and mega gardevoir are useless past a 1500 rating, scrub.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:11:46 No.16850284 Report

Quoted By: >>16854113

>>16850270
>outclassed by Lucario which you SHOULD BE USING TO GET TO 2K
>lel uber
>slow and telegraphed as fuck
>haah_waaw.jpg
>folds to anything with a physical move

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:11:47 No.16850285 Report

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>>16850233
I'm not saying it will happen, nor do I really care, the only fairy type I particularly like is Florges, and currently only a handful are usable. I'm just not too surprised that they're sub-par upon introduction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:13:11 No.16850306 Report

Quoted By: >>16850347 >>16850488

>>16850260
>Garchomp
>Sylveon
I never get this comparison, in fact trying out Sylveon (it's kind of meh though) it actually does okay. Earthquake only did about 35-39% and I was able to Wish off the damage and take it out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:15:01 No.16850341 Report

Quoted By:

>rock
Cant aim for shit
>ice
glass
>electric
forgotten except for legendaries and pikachu
>steel
Can take hits but not fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:15:09 No.16850343 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850245
Taunt and sucker punch are pretty useful though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:15:26 No.16850347 Report

Quoted By: >>16850391 >>16850410 >>16850541

>>16850306
Or it can SD in your face as you futilely switch in while only managing a 2HKO while it kills you with EQ alone.

You are now aware that with Thunder Punch and Weakness Policy, Multiscale Dragonite is a hard counter to nearly all fairy-types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:15:56 No.16850355 Report

Quoted By: >>16850385 >>16851626

>>16850041
>>Fairy
>AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
How about you actually try. They're special walls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:18:09 No.16850385 Report

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>>16850355
Goodra and T-Tar are better special tanks than the lot of them. And if you're not using Chansey or Blissey, then why the fuck are you using a special wall anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:18:16 No.16850386 Report

Quoted By: >>16850437

>>16850233
Do you really believe that? The typing itself is fine, why wouldn't they make one with a stat distribution workable in OU? That doesn't make sense at all. You're just confusing me.
>pandering
>kek

Sometimes I have to tell myself there's an actual person writing these things.
And no from a flavor standpoint Ice would be the last to resist Dragon. (Though it needs a buff anyway)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:18:47 No.16850391 Report

Quoted By: >>16850433

>>16850347
you dont carry poison jab for those non defensive types they call fairy on garnchomp.

I thought it was the norm now

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:20:26 No.16850410 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850347
LO SD Garchomp one shots Sylveon every time with earthquake.
Choice band and LO variants two shot it with earthquake before it does anything.

Sylveon only does shit to berry and scarf chomps. Even then, there are better ways to deal with chomp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:21:50 No.16850433 Report

Quoted By: >>16850624

>>16850391
Why the hell would you ever run poison jab on garchomp?
Earthquake hits every fairy besides togekiss and whimsicott harder than poison jab ever will. Even then. stone edge and fire blast wreck the other two.

A light breeze wrecks whim.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:22:20 No.16850437 Report

Quoted By: >>16850479 >>16850652

>>16850386
It is pandering. Why would they not even make sense from a flavour standpoint? How is Azumarill even close to resembling a fairy? The only thing they have in common is being cuteshit. They have no resemblance to anything from folklore or even modern stereotypes. They're pandering to kawaii uguu shit.

Not to mention only shitmons got retyped for the most part. Did Milotic or Mismagius get it? NO!!! OF COURSE NOT!!! THEN WE HAVE GOOD ONES!!! AND WE'RE TARGETING THE WRONG DEMOGRAPHIC!!!!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:25:33 No.16850477 Report

Quoted By: >>16850506 >>16854156

You ever notice how above 1800 rank or so, fairy-types completely disappear off the face of the earth? Anyone find that hilarious?

Rosa 3282-3075-0161 {105} {1591}

Rosa 3282-3075-0161 {105} {1591} Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:25:34 No.16850479 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850437
you should probably read a little. they make sense to be fairies. all of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:26:23 No.16850488 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850306
I was surprised when I saw just how little damage an unboosted EQ did on an Evolite Spritzee.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:27:50 No.16850506 Report

Quoted By: >>16850536 >>16850538

>>16850477
Because there's nothing they do that dozens of other pokemon can't do better.
Azumarill even loses the priority war against pretty much everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:30:05 No.16850536 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850506
I know. It's funny how every single fairyfag hasn't even touched 1800. They're perfect for scrubs reeled in hook, line and sinker to an elaborate marketing ploy.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:30:09 No.16850538 Report

Quoted By: >>16850570 >>16850574 >>16850605

>>16850506
>Because there's nothing they do that dozens of other pokemon can't do better.
>implying

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:30:18 No.16850541 Report

Quoted By: >>16850765

>>16850347
>SD
I'm not switching when he's going to set up, and I usually attack when they think I'm going to Wish again. I'm not saying that it's perfect, but Sylveon does not die as easily to Earthquake as people make it out to be.

>Dragonite
It's not a hard counter, that's not really how counters work. That usually means you can switch into them and they can't do anything (your Dragonite wouldn't be switching into anything or it'd lose the boost) That doesn't describe a counter. That's whole point of weakness policy anyway, most Ice types die to Dragonite too unless it's Mamoswine with ice shard or something.

That aside, I wasn't saying something like Xerneas. I was describing something with above average special attack and something that can outspeed most dragons. That wouldn't be fun to fight against unless you're packing Scizor. I'm not talking about present day, but Fairy in ways is the reverse dragon. Dragon isn't too overpowered typing-wise it's their stat total, Fairy is kind of overpowered typing wise but their stat total/distribution isn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:32:59 No.16850570 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850538
Jirachi still does it better even after the nerfs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:33:13 No.16850574 Report

Quoted By: >>16850787

>>16850538
Have fun dying to Stone Edges.

Oh, and look at all those Washing Machines! And those strange metallic bugs! And oh, what's that strange furred creature with steel knuckes and lines on its face?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:35:46 No.16850605 Report

Quoted By: >>16850985

>>16850538
Outclassed by Jirachi.

Oh, and every single other one is too.
>clefable: outclassed by blissey and fucking quagsire of all things
>mawile: outclassed by lucario, adaptability STABs outdamage mawile
>azumarill: outclassed by everything else with priority whose moves aren't telegraphed as fuck
>sylveon: HAAH WAAW

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:36:58 No.16850624 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850433
because weaknesses

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:38:37 No.16850652 Report

Quoted By: >>16850689

>>16850437
You people do realize Fairy has always existed in a way right? We've always had Kawaii uguu~ shit, it's always dumb to assume there won't ever be one with decent stat distribution.

What some fail to realize is that the typing is staying after Gen 6. The series isn't ending here. It's kind of absurd to assert that will never happen, even if you don't like the type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:41:37 No.16850689 Report

Quoted By: >>16850757

>>16850652
Little girls don't give the slightest amount of shits about competitive battling. That's why kawaii shit for the most part have shit stats. It's not going to change when this class of shitmons has a type backing it up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:44:51 No.16850757 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850689
I don't see it. That doesn't mean it's always going to be the case, and that doesn't mean there won't be exceptions. Cute doesn't always mean low stats either. It's just kind of silly to assert that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:45:22 No.16850765 Report

Quoted By: >>16850853

>>16850541
Stop playing shit players with no sense of prediction. A good player will SD again, tanking Hyper Voice as you do, and then your whole team is fucked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:46:48 No.16850787 Report

Quoted By: >>16850824

>>16850574
>stone miss
>going for OU: THE MOVIE: THE NOVEL: THE GAME: THE RIDE: THE PLAY: THE EXPERIENCE: THE COLLECTIBLE TRADING CARDS

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:48:51 No.16850824 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850787
You mean OU mons are used a lot? Isn't that why they're called Overused? HOLY SHIT NIGGER STOP THE MOTHERFUCKING PRESSESS

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:50:25 No.16850853 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850765
I'm not using Sylveon, I tried it out (it's not bad, but it's not great). What I did was switch into outrages and they were cocky. That's not counting the other Garchomp sets either. Again, Sylveon is not a counter it's just an iffy check, but I find the comparison a bit unfair to the ribbon fox. It doesn't hold up too terribly. I actually had a better time using Togekiss and Skarmory to harass Garchomp, but that's another story. I still assert that Mamoswine is the best Garchomp killer out there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:53:39 No.16850902 Report

Quoted By: >>16850918 >>16850931 >>16850940

>>16850060
>good at being dead
Avalugg is here, my friend. Even shit typing can't kill it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:54:36 No.16850918 Report

Quoted By: >>16850939 >>16850947 >>16850952

>>16850902
>anything with a SE special attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:55:39 No.16850931 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850902
Don't forget its pal Mamoswine!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:56:29 No.16850939 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850918
mirrorcoat/sturdy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:56:39 No.16850940 Report

Quoted By: >>16850988 >>16851097

>>16850902
Avalugg becomes a liability 1800+

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:57:29 No.16850947 Report

Quoted By: >>16850963 >>16850983

>>16850918
Because Blissey is UU due to that crippling physical defense stat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:57:47 No.16850952 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850918
Not that guy, but he has mirror coat, and you could say the same about Blissey and Close Combat. I don't see Ava in OU, but I could see him doing well in both tiers (UU and OU) anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 06:58:44 No.16850963 Report

Quoted By: >>16851036

>>16850947
Blissey isn't SR weak. It also isn't status weak and has fewer weaknesses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:00:20 No.16850983 Report

Quoted By: >>16851036

>>16850947
Blissey only has one weakness and no SR weakness

not dissing Avalugg but his typing is a huge hindrance on him

honestly should've made him a Ice/Ground just for better typing sake even if doesn't make much sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:00:21 No.16850984 Report

Quoted By:

>Bug
The scout type that's weak to smogon rocks

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:00:23 No.16850985 Report

Quoted By: >>16851010

>>16850605
Azumarill is nice if you need a priority water move for whatever reason. Works as a decent Smogonbird check with decent bulk. Don't understand all the hate on it in this thread. It's a mediocre Pokemon, but it's perfectly usable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:00:57 No.16850988 Report

Quoted By: >>16851006 >>16851009 >>16851014 >>16851097

>>16850940
I always hear this, what are people using at 1800? Seems like nothing interesting is as I hear this said about half the Pokemon in competitive disussion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:02:41 No.16851006 Report

Quoted By: >>16851057

>>16850988
Half of it is standard "smogonfag" shit. Half of it is underrated shit that hasn't trickled down to shitlords like you yet. That's how it's always been.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:02:46 No.16851009 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850988
You see alot more Genies and Genesects. Sometimes Aegislash and Talonflame show up but not as much. Rotom W is used alot as well.

Its mainly the best of OU there with some exceptions and unique teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:03:00 No.16851010 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850985
It gets 2HKO'd by Banded Smogonbird. So no. Fucking horrible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:03:25 No.16851014 Report

Quoted By: >>16851027

>>16850988
You actually see a lot more variety once you hit 1800 and 2k.
You only really see Smogon: The Team frequently in low ratings. High ratings are usually the trail blazers and anti meta.
Some nigga with an arbok topped the ratings last gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:04:26 No.16851027 Report

Quoted By: >>16851037

>>16851014
>Some nigga with an arbok topped the ratings last gen.
That's because he was dicking around with Assist+Roar and using that to get cheap wins.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:05:22 No.16851036 Report

Quoted By: >>16851072

>>16850963
>>16850983
Avalugg gets Recover. If you aren't keeping it in on a special attacker SR doesn't matter as much as you'd think.

Plus, you know, having a Spinner/Defogger on your team to get rid of it in the first place

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:05:29 No.16851037 Report

Quoted By:

>>16851027
Abusing cheap obscure tactics has always been the best way to ladder climb

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:06:35 No.16851057 Report

Quoted By: >>16851120

>>16851006
Someone's having a bad day, but good to know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:07:27 No.16851072 Report

Quoted By:

>>16851036
You can't keep rocks off the field all the time. Especially when a defensive pokemon like avalugg needs to be out on the fly multiple times.
Its gets worn down quickly and gets two hit by a lot of major physical threats in OU.
Avalugg can't even safety switch into scizor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:08:58 No.16851097 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850940
You mean 1400+. Why people use that shit at all is beyond me. I don't know how UU is going to inevitably settle, but I don't see how it even makes it there.

>>16850988
It's a lot more creative than the 1500-1800 range where literally every team is some combination of the various fotms. Probably only a third of the teams are what you'd think of as standard. Half is various types of anti-meta built by people trying to stay ahead of the curve. The rest are either gimmick shit made by players on alts to piss off the other players on the ladder, or teams dedicated to beating some sort of a growing trend in the anti-meta category - staying way ahead of the curve.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:10:14 No.16851120 Report

Quoted By:

>>16851057
I just didn't break 2000 with this team because Stone Miss missed twice and Scald burned 4/4 times. Little bit on edge as I typed that. You can understand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:10:52 No.16851126 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850112
Poison, though

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:15:44 No.16851185 Report

Quoted By: >>16851198

>>16850233
Ice is one of the best attacking types. Most types are balanced for offense OR defense. Notable exclusions are Ghost and Water, both OP, and Poison be a shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:16:47 No.16851198 Report

Quoted By:

>>16851185
Poison is the Ice of defensive types though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:40:25 No.16851386 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850203
Rain Dance almost fucks over Water types with the 100% accuracy Thunder, except it doesn't at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:41:48 No.16851395 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850270
normal Gardevoir is better than Mega Gardevoir.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 07:42:19 No.16851401 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850279
>mawile
>clefable
>in ou range in 1850+
stop posting anytime

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 08:08:45 No.16851626 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850355
slurpuff can be one of the strongest tanks i've seen in doubles. if i didnt have toxic, it wouldve wrecked me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 14:35:42 No.16854113 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850284
that lucario part made me cringe. you probably use OU:the team

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 14:41:56 No.16854156 Report

Quoted By:

>>16850477
>rank at 1932
>still wreacking fags with mega waifu
the majority lacks skill and have to rely on muh smogon tactics. pretty sad.

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