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Sara 1719-3212-5394 [Grumpig, Wobbuffet, Duosion] Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:01:52 No.16852408 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>16852431 >>16852607 >>16853098 >>16855552 >>16860990

Think of a never used pokemon that sucks and nobody uses.
got it?
now give it one change that makes it broken as hell
hard mode: no huge power or wonder guard

ill start
shuckle with seismic toss

Suiseiseki

Suiseiseki Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:05:15 No.16852426 Report

Quoted By: >>16852532

flygon with sand rush or thick fat

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:05:50 No.16852431 Report

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>>16852408
Sunkern with a pre evolution

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:09:31 No.16852446 Report

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Breloom with working eviolite

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:11:56 No.16852457 Report

Quoted By: >>16852461

>Auroros

Protean? Ah fuck, that would just make it usable.

Sara 1719-3212-5394 [Grumpig, Wobbuffet, Duosion]

Sara 1719-3212-5394 [Grumpig, Wobbuffet, Duosion] Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:13:36 No.16852461 Report

Quoted By: >>16852474 >>16852725

>>16852457
Nothing can fix aurorus.
not even duct tape.

what about... sturdy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:14:26 No.16852466 Report

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Wobbuffet with Damp ability and Metronome

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:14:49 No.16852467 Report

Quoted By: >>16852476

>Shedinja
>Wonder Guard has the added benefit of making Shedinja completely immune to anything that isn't a super effective attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:15:07 No.16852469 Report

Quoted By: >>16855474

Regigigas with anything other than slow start.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:16:12 No.16852474 Report

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>>16852461
i used mine to breed freeze-dry onto lapras, then promptly WTed it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:16:35 No.16852476 Report

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>>16852467
Wonderguard should block all damage from all moves so it requires you to have something like hail or wil o wisp

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:17:19 No.16852481 Report

Quoted By: >>16852500 >>16852502 >>16852511 >>16852546 >>16855249

Ledian with... Fuck it, there's not a single ability that would make Ledian even RU. Holy shit that thing sucks so much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:18:02 No.16852486 Report

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Dunsparce
>now with stats

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:18:40 No.16852497 Report

Quoted By: >>16852521

Steelix with furcoat

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:18:49 No.16852500 Report

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>>16852481
ledian is cool, i wish it didnt suck.. maybe mega khangaskhan's ability? if it can learn power up punch or something like that

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:18:54 No.16852502 Report

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>>16852481

>Moody

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:20:18 No.16852511 Report

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>>16852481
Swap it's sp.def with it's attack.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:21:25 No.16852519 Report

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Broken as hell?
Nah, just perfectly balanced.
Spore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:21:30 No.16852521 Report

Quoted By: >>16852530

>>16852497
You know they gave it a specific name like that so they don't have to give it to certain Pokemon. Damn them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:22:40 No.16852530 Report

Quoted By: >>16852638

>>16852521
steelix evolves into fluffix

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:23:05 No.16852532 Report

Quoted By: >>16852539 >>16852553 >>16852744

>>16852426

Flygon really isn't that bad.

Watchop with prankster.

Sara 1719-3212-5394 [Grumpig, Wobbuffet, Duosion]

Sara 1719-3212-5394 [Grumpig, Wobbuffet, Duosion] Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:24:12 No.16852539 Report

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>>16852532
i sooooooooo wish that were true.
its not that he's bad, it's just that everything he can do, someone else can do it better

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:24:36 No.16852540 Report

Quoted By: >>16852554

>Rotom Fan

Uh give it, Gale Wings.

>Priority Air Slash

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:25:38 No.16852546 Report

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>>16852481
what if we gave ledian spore

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:26:30 No.16852553 Report

Quoted By: >>16852566

>>16852532
What if Flygon got tinted lens?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:26:39 No.16852554 Report

Quoted By: >>16852574

>>16852540
>give it a king's rock
dear god hide the children

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:27:59 No.16852566 Report

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>>16852553
ooh that'd be good and it'd make sense too

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:29:21 No.16852574 Report

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>>16852554
Doesn't stack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:29:42 No.16852577 Report

Quoted By: >>16852595

>Noctowl
Sorry, I'm not creative enough to think of this. I'm not sure if it can be done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:32:26 No.16852595 Report

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>>16852577
Prankster maybe? It's okay defensively and has some good support moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:34:28 No.16852607 Report

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>>16852408
>Ledian gets simple instead of Early Bird
>Gets stockpile, tail glow, and agility
>Gets a huge special movepool of things like Draining Kiss, Dazzling Gleam, Shadow Ball, Focus Blast, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:37:24 No.16852638 Report

Quoted By: >>16852677 >>16852713 >>16852749

>>16852530
>steelix evolves into fluffix

Holy shit yes!
>Fluffix
>Fairy / Steel
>Base Defense 230
>Fur Coat

252+ Atk Choice Band Rampardos Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Steelix: 83-98 (23.4 - 27.6%) -- 81.5% chance to 4HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:37:46 No.16852641 Report

Quoted By: >>16852671 >>16852673

Lilligant. She's RU, but still. Give her Simple, it's in character for her.

>Simple boosted Quiver Dance
>Equivalent of Power Herb Geomancy

That movepool though...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:42:08 No.16852671 Report

Quoted By: >>16852695

>>16852641

She's probably dropping because of nerfs. I wonder, maybe Tinted Lens would be better? It partially fixes how horrible grass is offensively, although it'll never fix how Talonflame destroys her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:42:28 No.16852673 Report

Quoted By: >>16852695

>>16852641
Lilligant is made for Own Tempo.
I don't give a fuck i'm locked into Petal Dance, after 2 QD i can OHKO Mewtwo and 2HKO Charizard or even Yveltal without dying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:43:14 No.16852677 Report

Quoted By: >>16852738

>>16852638
>cotton guard fluffix
gg physical attackers

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:45:26 No.16852695 Report

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>>16852673
Well with simple you can get the same boost in 1 turn, and with a lum berry you can remove the first confusion. I don't know.
>>16852671
To be fair, Talonflame is the stealth rocks of Fighting, Grass, and Bug types. As long he's still breathing on your opponent's team then you're going to have to watch out for him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:47:35 No.16852713 Report

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>>16852638
Fluffix's moveset
-Stealth Rocks
-Dragon Tail
-Toxic / Will'O Wisp
-Recover

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:49:26 No.16852725 Report

Quoted By: >>16852734 >>16852754 >>16853337

>>16852461
Speed Boost would fix Aurorus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:50:56 No.16852734 Report

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>>16852725
Wouldn't it die before it could take effect?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:51:35 No.16852738 Report

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>>16852677
Now I want this thing even more. After just one Cotton Guard:

252+ Atk Choice Band Deoxys-A Superpower vs. +3 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Fluffix: 43-51 (12.1 - 14.4%) -- possible 7HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:52:23 No.16852744 Report

Quoted By: >>16852770

>>16852532
Flygon is awful.

It has one of the most mediocre stat distributions ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:53:11 No.16852749 Report

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>>16852638
>tfw it took Onix's line losing both of it's original typings to be useful

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:53:30 No.16852754 Report

Quoted By: >>16852793

>>16852725

Bullet Punch, Mach Punch, Aqua Jet. It's like Aurorus refuses to be good no matter what you give it outside of a better typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:56:05 No.16852770 Report

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>>16852744
The sad thing is, Flygon's stats were actually good for Gen 1-3 standards. That tended to be as good as Non-Pseudo/Legendary Pokemon got without being Arcanine, or having a downside like Truant/Defeatist. It was around Gen 4 where the split happened, and things got a bit more min maxed as well as Gen 5 having major power creep. And with Garchomp around he never stood a chance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 10:59:42 No.16852793 Report

Quoted By: >>16852808

>>16852754
>Aqua jet
It always bugs the hell out of me that Auroros and Mamoswine are weak to Water (and to a lesser extent Grass). Come on, please Gamefreak let Ice resist water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 11:03:22 No.16852808 Report

Quoted By: >>16852822

>>16852793
That wouldnt make sense though since water is just ice at a higher temperature.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 11:08:49 No.16852822 Report

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>>16852808
That's actually the reason it should resist it. Why would Mamoswine suddenly hate something he's surrounded by in the wilderness? Besides, these aren't ice cubes you're fighting, it's super cold beings which can freeze every type of Pokemon, and have a move that can hit water x2. Water shouldn't bother them what so ever. It'd also be balanced.

>Water type
>Takes out Fire with Water
>Takes out grass and dragon with ice
>Ice types (that resists water)
>Uh oh shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 11:09:53 No.16852826 Report

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Arbok, sheer force

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 11:23:29 No.16852879 Report

Quoted By: >>16853082

These threads tend to be bad because the "bad" pokemon that people try to fix don't need fixing. shuckle is good, lilligant is good. both need time to set up, however. lilligant has sleep powder for this, shuckle has a fuckton of def and spD. use them properly.

anyways, something that actually needs to be fixed: Magcargo

hmm. fuck. I dunno. cotton guard or fur coat could make its defense huge, and possibly useful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 12:07:34 No.16853082 Report

Quoted By: >>16853133

>>16852879
But liligant has nomoves, so it's far from good

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 12:11:09 No.16853097 Report

Quoted By: >>16853102

Lapras with no guard. 100% accuracy sheer cold because fuck you

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 12:11:23 No.16853098 Report

Quoted By: >>16853103

>>16852408
>Pupitar
>Shell Smash
It learns it at level 100 so that tyranitar can't get it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 12:12:10 No.16853102 Report

Quoted By: >>16853364

>>16853097
Lapras isn't that bad though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 12:12:19 No.16853103 Report

Quoted By: >>16853110

>>16853098

>evolves into Tyranitar at level 100 after learning Shell Smash anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 12:14:12 No.16853110 Report

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>>16853103
ah right you learn moves before evolving. Eviolite shell smash pupitar would still be nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 12:20:56 No.16853133 Report

Quoted By: >>16853141

>>16853082
>Approaching Lilligant as a sweeper

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 12:22:27 No.16853141 Report

Quoted By: >>16853228

>>16853133
Isn't that how people use her though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 12:39:08 No.16853228 Report

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>>16853141
She literally only learns grass attacks so running as a pure sweeper is silly due to dicks coverage.
I've been running a Timid Teeter Dance, Leech Seed, Energy Ball (if it had Own Tempo I'd use Petal Dance) and Quiver Dance Lilligant and she's netted me some nice setting up and a couple of decent sweeps.
It's not great but 75 def/spD and 70hp can bulk through some surprising stuff.
Great in doubles too.

Outclassed by heaps of other pokemon but I like using her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 12:56:58 No.16853337 Report

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>>16852725
I'm starting to think that even wonder guard wouldn't fix Aurorus

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 13:00:17 No.16853364 Report

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>>16853102
>just barely not PU
>not that bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 13:09:38 No.16853441 Report

Quoted By: >>16853452

Give Aurorus No Guard, Sheer Cold, and higher speed stat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 13:10:57 No.16853452 Report

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>>16853441
One change. Damn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 16:27:37 No.16855249 Report

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>>16852481
>ledian
>6 arms
>each punch move hits 6 times at 1/2 the power

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 16:30:05 No.16855277 Report

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The only thing I can think of is Dewgong with Volt Absorb, not very good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 16:46:36 No.16855474 Report

Quoted By:

>>16852469
>Defeatist

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 16:52:14 No.16855552 Report

Quoted By: >>16858366

>>16852408
Lopunny with Pure Power

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 18:14:17 No.16856630 Report

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>seismic toss now does one third of your max hp in damage

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 19:57:23 No.16858366 Report

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>>16855552
>Lopunny
>pure

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2013 22:07:36 No.16860990 Report

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>>16852408
>shuckle with leech seed
>that terribad HP
>that humongous recovery

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