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Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 03:36:43 No.16891579 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>16891642 >>16892000 >>16892305 >>16892663 >>16892910 >>16893621 >>16895059

Why is Bug no longer super-effective against Poison?
Why is Poison no longer super-effective against Bug?

Does Game Freak hate giving these types buffs or something? It doesn't seem like much from a glance but face it, it could really make some battles much more interesting, especially in this gen.

ITT: Suggest and discuss type chart rearrangements.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 03:39:51 No.16891626 Report

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Bug weak to everything including bug.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 03:40:37 No.16891642 Report

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>>16891579
>Bug/Poison Pokemon are now weak to both of their own types

No thanks.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 03:41:52 No.16891653 Report

Quoted By: >>16891940

Fairy no longer resists bug.

Poison no longer resists bug.

Rock is no longer super effective against Ice.

Ice resists flying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 03:53:31 No.16891889 Report

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Bug is now SE against Fairy
Ice resists Flying
Steel is SE against Dragon
Flying is no longer SE on Grass
Fighting is no longer SE on Steel

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 03:55:52 No.16891940 Report

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>>16891653
>Ice resisting anything
But that's never going to happen. ;-;

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 03:58:27 No.16892000 Report

Quoted By: >>16892064

>>16891579
Fairy should be weak to Psychic because Psychic needs a bit of a boost and Fairy needs a bit of a downgrade.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 03:59:18 No.16892018 Report

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I wish poison was SE against water and bug SE against ground. Marine life dies with pollutants and there are a lot of bugs that reside in the earth

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:01:12 No.16892064 Report

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>>16892000
I think Psychic should super effective against Ghost or Steel, instead of Fairy, because Fairies aren't really a threat right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:02:30 No.16892090 Report

Quoted By: >>16892158 >>16894185

Ground not SE against Steel
Fairy not SE to Dark
Ice resists Ice/Flying/Ground or ground immunity
electric weak to grass

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:02:42 No.16892098 Report

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CAN WE PLEASE NERF FAIRY? THINK OF KLEFKI ;____;

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:03:38 No.16892134 Report

Quoted By: >>16892307

when fairy was announced I really hoped it would be weak to grass...

I just imagined them draining the glittering light out of their tiny bodies...but no. They are weak to steel and poison...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:03:50 No.16892141 Report

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Wow that makes perfect sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:04:32 No.16892158 Report

Quoted By: >>16892259

>>16892090
>Ice resists Fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:09:05 No.16892259 Report

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>>16892158
That works too

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:11:18 No.16892305 Report

Quoted By: >>16892361

>>16891579
>Why is Bug no longer super-effective against Poison?
>Why is Poison no longer super-effective against Bug?

When was this a thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:11:20 No.16892307 Report

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>>16892134
I like this

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:11:38 No.16892311 Report

Quoted By: >>16892399

How about rock not being weak to half the goddamn types

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:14:18 No.16892361 Report

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>>16892305
Pretty sure Poison was strong against Bug in Gen 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:14:34 No.16892368 Report

Quoted By: >>16892407 >>16892456

Grass+ resists Psychic-
Grass+ resists Ghost-
Ice+ resists Water-
Psychic+ resists Fairy-
Flying- takes neutral damage from Grass+
Steel- takes neutral damage from Psychic+
Fire- takes neutral damage from Fairy+
Fairy- takes neutral damage from Bug+
Fairy- is weak to Psychic+
Ghost- is weak to Fire+
Fighting- is weak to Poison+
Poison- is weak to Flying+
Water- is weak to Ice+

Overall:
Grass: +++
Ice: ++
Psychic: ++
Bug: +
Flying: =
Fire: =
Poison: =
Fighting: -
Steel: - -
Ghost: - -
Water: - -
Fairy: - - -

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:15:58 No.16892399 Report

Quoted By: >>16892438

>>16892311
Rock should resist Electric and Bug

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:16:09 No.16892407 Report

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>>16892368
*Fairy: - -

Forgot to take into account the Fire nerf

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:17:11 No.16892438 Report

Quoted By: >>16892516

>>16892399
Yes make bug weak against even more things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:18:11 No.16892456 Report

Quoted By: >>16892537

>>16892368
What about Electric? It need one more weakness. All types, barring normal, should have 3 weaknesses

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:20:34 No.16892516 Report

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>>16892438
Bug is already weak to Rock, however, Rock doesn't resist Bug attacks; it receives neutral damage from bug.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:21:17 No.16892537 Report

Quoted By: >>16892570 >>16892649

>>16892456
The only type I can see electric realistically being week to is Water, which doesn't need any more buffs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:22:36 No.16892570 Report

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>>16892537
*weak

God I'm off today

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:22:52 No.16892577 Report

Quoted By: >>16892774 >>16898019

Why don't abilities like Freeze Dry exist, but for other types? For example, a Psychic attack that's super effective against Dark types or Grass attack that is super effective against Fire or Flying types?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:23:26 No.16892588 Report

Quoted By: >>16892670

Poison is super effective against Water
Steel is super effective against Electric
Electric is super effective against Steel
Rock resists Ground
Rock resists Ice
Ice resists Psychic
Steel is neutral to Fighting

That's how I would "fix" the type chart, if I could

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:25:52 No.16892649 Report

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>>16892537
How about Grass since it already resists electric attacks? Maybe, Dark can be super effective against it, too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:26:32 No.16892663 Report

Quoted By: >>16892757

>>16891579
Fairy now resists Ghost, Dark and Fighting. It is immune to Dragon.
It is weak to Poison, Steel and Psychic.
It SE against Dark, Fighting and Dragon.
It is resisted by Ice, Poison and Steel and has no effect on Psychic.

Dark types are now immune to Torment and Taunt
Psychic types can't be confused
Fighting Types can't be flinched and don't take recoil

also some other bullshit because why not

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:26:55 No.16892670 Report

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>>16892588
I love this. It's fucking perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:30:00 No.16892738 Report

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The only thing I want to see is a Water, Ghost, and Electric nerfing. You can work Grass being SE against Electric, Bug SE against Ghost and Poison SE against Water

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:30:54 No.16892757 Report

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>>16892663

> Psychic types can't be confused

I like dat. I like dat right therr

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:31:38 No.16892774 Report

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>>16892577
Boil
Type: Fire
Special
BP: 80
AC: 100
PP: 10

Boil is super effective against Water type pokemon

Pure Salt
Type: Rock
Physical
BP: 70
AC: 95

Super Effective against Ghost type pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:34:05 No.16892817 Report

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>poison weak to bug
>suddenly generation 1 grass types hear thunder in the background

scissor seriously doesn't need a buff, though leavanny getting one is suddenly funny

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:36:49 No.16892878 Report

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Fairy
>resist Dark but isn't SE on it
>doesn't resist Bug
>is resisted by normal

Ghost
>ineffective to Fighting much like it is to normal

Ice
>resists water
>no longer weak to rock
>resists + SE on fairy

Poison
>SE on water
>resists Rock

Grass
>gets small Atk+SAtk boost in sun like how Rock does with sdef in sandstorm

Dark
>SE on normal

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:38:21 No.16892910 Report

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>>16891579
Poison is super-effective against Water.
Grass is super-effective against Electric.
Grass and Psychic resist Fairy.
Electric is super-effective against Steel.
Rock resists Electric.
Bug is neutral against Fairy.
Fairy is neutral against Fire.
Ice resists Ground and Water.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:39:10 No.16892934 Report

Quoted By: >>16892965 >>16892979 >>16892996

Sound type.

Resists Electric and Fairy.

Weak to Psychic, Ice, and Steel.

Super-effective against Electric and Water.

Bug, Psychic, ice, and Steel resist it.

This is a good idea, prove me wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:41:09 No.16892965 Report

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>>16892934
Steel is the last type that needs a buff, replace it with Rock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:41:40 No.16892979 Report

Quoted By: >>16893039

>>16892934
justify your type choices

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:42:37 No.16892996 Report

Quoted By: >>16893118

>>16892934
>No impact on Ghost/Fighting's perfect coverage

Enjoy your Life Orb Shadowballs/Focus Miss soundfag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:45:20 No.16893039 Report

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>>16892979
Psychics can control sound waves and can prevent it from bothering them.

Sound can't be heard through ice.

Steel via boomboxes that control and amplify sound.

Sound utilizes electricity to be heard, and can be heard in the water. (muh Wailord calls)

Bugs make sounds all the fucking time they don't give a shit about them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:50:25 No.16893118 Report

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>>16892996

But Ghost gives perfect coverage when paired with any other type of attack except for Dark, and that's only because Dark resists both types of attacks.

Basically, whatever something can't cover, Ghost can, being as close to neutral in effectiveness as it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:59:11 No.16893293 Report

Quoted By: >>16893322 >>16893441 >>16893786

Can we give Ghost a buff?

I mean seriously, is there really any advantage to using a Ghost move over a Dark move other than STAB? They're both good against the same fucking types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 04:59:18 No.16893298 Report

Quoted By: >>16893551

give electric, ice, poison, bug, rock, grass, maybe ground a buff

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 05:00:22 No.16893322 Report

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>>16893293
Ghost is better defensively, Dark is sort of better offensively.

Except Ghost/Fighting has perfect coverage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 05:05:59 No.16893441 Report

Quoted By: >>16893467 >>16893470

>>16893293
Ghost is the third, arguably second best type in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 05:07:32 No.16893467 Report

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>>16893441
If it had the offensive moves of Dragon or Fighting it would be the best type.

Unfortunately we're stuck with Shadow Ball and Phantom Force.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 05:07:40 No.16893470 Report

Quoted By: >>16893515

>>16893441
How so?

Fairy is honestly better

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 05:10:02 No.16893515 Report

Quoted By: >>16893574

>>16893470
Water > Steel = Ghost > Fairy > Fighting

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 05:11:54 No.16893551 Report

Quoted By:

>>16893298
The only one that needs a buff here is Grass. Electric is the only type that has one weakness and 3 resistances, it deserves a nerfing. The others could go for some NE and SE reshuffling

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 05:13:24 No.16893574 Report

Quoted By: >>16893640

>>16893515
water needs a nerf. either a poison or ice weakness.

Jake - 1693-1651-2164 (machoke, riolu, throh)

Jake - 1693-1651-2164 (machoke, riolu, throh) Thu 26 Dec 2013 05:16:04 No.16893621 Report

Quoted By: >>16894410

>>16891579
How is removing a weakness from both a bad thing again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 05:16:52 No.16893640 Report

Quoted By:

>>16893574
Weakness to Poison, resisted by Ice. Sorted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 05:26:18 No.16893786 Report

Quoted By: >>16893818

>>16893293
>ghost is SE against the same things as dark
>ghost has less resisted types than dark
ghost is fine. the tradeoff between the 2 is that dark has more "coverage" in terms of effects while ghost is more straightforward

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 05:28:54 No.16893818 Report

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>>16893786
Ghost has less NVEs, but an immune type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 05:35:00 No.16893939 Report

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There's way too many types. 18 different types is retarded. Distill that shit down to like, 7 types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 05:48:37 No.16894185 Report

Quoted By:

>>16892090
>two types immune to ground
wow, stop posting anytime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 05:53:19 No.16894256 Report

Quoted By: >>16894297 >>16894399 >>16894428 >>16894914

What types a pokemon needs to be in order to have the shittiest defensive typing?

bug/ice?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 05:55:45 No.16894297 Report

Quoted By:

>>16894256
Aurorus

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:03:04 No.16894399 Report

Quoted By:

>>16894256
Here's an idea for a bug/ice Pokemon
Bug/Ice Butterfly
Ability: Reflective Wings
Super effective moves are not very effective on this Pokemon, and it is weak to the things it would normally resist.
80/60/80/120/100/115

There. Bug/Ice is now one of the best defensive types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:03:31 No.16894410 Report

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>>16893621
Think of it as a similar scenario to Ghost being super-effective against Ghost and Dragons being super-effective against Dragons.

It's not a bad thing, it's an interesting thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:04:58 No.16894428 Report

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>>16894256
Bug/Grass is the worst
Ice/Rock is second worst

There was a chart that listed like the top and bottom 5 type combinations.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:05:22 No.16894440 Report

Quoted By: >>16894512 >>16894527 >>16894562 >>16894568 >>16894574 >>16894647 >>16894780

Why don't they just merge Rock and Ground already? They're not that different and you fucking know it.

Arguably this would fix the metagame because it would help turn Rock/Ground types like Rhyperior into pure ones that aren't 4x weak to Water and Grass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:08:42 No.16894512 Report

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>>16894440
This.

It would do so much good for the metagame. It'd get rid of the powerful-as-fuck StoneQuake combo and would make it a decent defensive typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:09:51 No.16894527 Report

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>>16894440
Please fix Golem ;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:12:09 No.16894562 Report

Quoted By:

>>16894440
those 4x weaknesses are kinda necessary. with the right padding (any combination of screens, curse, bulk up, or sandstorm) and you've already got a REALLY fucking bulky pokemon

and reconciling the ground/rock attack effectiveness sounds disastrous

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:12:24 No.16894568 Report

Quoted By:

>>16894440
What would be the result on flying types

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:12:43 No.16894574 Report

Quoted By:

>>16894440
they should also fuse grass and bug, maybe poison in there too

and ice and water

maybe psychic and ghost

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:17:46 No.16894647 Report

Quoted By: >>16894691 >>16897941 >>16897975

>>16894440
>tfw:

Earth

Super Effective against
Fire
Electric
Steel
Ice

Not Very Effective against
Grass
Bug
Flying
Earth

Resists
Steel
Fire
Earth

Immune to
Electric

Weak to
Grass
Ice
Flying
Bug

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:21:11 No.16894691 Report

Quoted By: >>16894700 >>16894749 >>16894806 >>16894807

>>16894647
Why would earth be super effective against Steel? Steel represents machinery, something that grinds and burrows into the earth on a daily basis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:21:56 No.16894700 Report

Quoted By: >>16894734

>>16894691
Ground represents ground and steel digs into that on a daily basis.

Explain that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:23:48 No.16894734 Report

Quoted By: >>16894743

>>16894700
Well that's the thing, it makes no sense. So why continue this nonsensory when you could fix it? Isn't that the whole point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:24:19 No.16894743 Report

Quoted By:

>>16894734
Buff steel more please yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:24:24 No.16894749 Report

Quoted By:

>>16894691
by that logic, you could argue that machinery basically destroys every other element possible
>machinery cuts down trees
>powered by fire (or heat, whatever) and electricity
>can be used to weigh down flying type wings
>crushes bugs
and so on, you get my point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:26:09 No.16894780 Report

Quoted By: >>16894801

>>16894440
M-My Golem buddy ;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:27:20 No.16894801 Report

Quoted By:

>>16894780
golem was fucking incredible in the rby story

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:27:33 No.16894806 Report

Quoted By:

>>16894691
Japan is a hilariously earthquake-prone country. Earthquakes destroy their steel buildings on like a monthly basis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:27:41 No.16894807 Report

Quoted By: >>16894833 >>16894838 >>16894846 >>16894914

>>16894691
Bugs should be weak to everything including because bugs are the weakest things in real life. Normal mice eat bugs all the time.

Sometimes the type chart doesn't need to adhere to strict flavor logic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:28:59 No.16894833 Report

Quoted By:

>>16894807
ignore that "including."

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:29:25 No.16894838 Report

Quoted By:

>>16894807
>bugs are the weakest things in real life
explain to me why we're afraid of wasps and shit?
>inb4 oh it's so easy to kill them
So give them piss poor defenses!
>oh wait, they already have that
What more do you want?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:29:40 No.16894846 Report

Quoted By: >>16894914

>>16894807
Bug is a shit type anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:33:57 No.16894914 Report

Quoted By:

>>16894846
>>16894807
>>16894256

>bug doesn't resist Psychic even though the flavor of Bug SE against Psychic is that "mind games don't work on hive minds."

why.mp3

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 06:43:36 No.16895059 Report

Quoted By:

>>16891579
speaking of bugs anyone want to give me a female durant and a female shuckle

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 11:12:08 No.16897941 Report

Quoted By:

>>16894647
Grass should be immune, the rest looks good

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 11:17:29 No.16897975 Report

Quoted By:

>>16894647
wat about immune/resists poison

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2013 11:22:57 No.16898019 Report

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>>16892577
Dry Ice

Super Effective against Fire

Ice should have been super effective against water and resist it. since the fucking beginning. If anything, Scald should be super effective against Ice. Fuck you Game Freak.

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