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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:00:46 No.16908672 View View Reply Original Report

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When will these two leave OU already?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:02:30 No.16908702 Report

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Hopefully soon, but I hate how Deo-s will probably get suspected earlier than Genesect, when it's a much smaller threat. Not because it's not broken but because Genesect is retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:04:32 No.16908746 Report

Quoted By: >>16909399 >>16909493

I don't understand why they always knock 3/4 Deoxys forms down to OU every gen when it has been proven from time to time that they are way to good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:15:37 No.16909026 Report

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Soon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:26:55 No.16909239 Report

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DS isn't that bad but fucking Genesect god damn.
FUCK

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:30:46 No.16909317 Report

Quoted By: >>16909340 >>16909850 >>16909877

God I want a Deoxys so fucking bad, just for in game play, I suck at competitive play. I'm only three badges in, and don't have pokebank, or any other pokemon games anymore. :(
>that face you will never have your bro.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:31:52 No.16909340 Report

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>>16909317
>>that face you will never have your bro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:34:10 No.16909390 Report

Quoted By: >>16909640

>genesect
>threatening

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:34:49 No.16909399 Report

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>>16908746
Because the metagame changes.
Last gen, Deo-D was barely banned, as a big part of the users thought it wasn't broken.
And I'm not sure about Deo-D being broken now, too many defoggers make it's life harder. Deo-S needs to go, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:36:22 No.16909444 Report

Quoted By: >>16909502

When bank comes out I can give you an event Deoxys as long as you don't mind if it is a clone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:38:23 No.16909493 Report

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>>16908746

Because the higher ups at Smogn love Chaos, even if it is very brief.

Still think Deoxys-N should have been played with a little more though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:38:43 No.16909502 Report

Quoted By: >>16909519

>>16909444
That doesn't bother me at all. What's your friendcode?

(IGN Serena) 0860-3392-4713

(IGN Serena) 0860-3392-4713 Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:39:22 No.16909519 Report

Quoted By: >>16909658

>>16909502
>>16909502

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:44:31 No.16909628 Report

Quoted By: >>16909689 >>16909704 >>16909801 >>16909886

I'm not good at all (around 1500) and I have no problem with either of these, why do people have a problem with them?

>deoxys
Knock off rapes it
>genesect
Have a baitmon like Espeon pack HP Fire. It'll also take care of things like Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Scizor

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:45:00 No.16909640 Report

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>>16909390

Fuck off Talonflame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:45:45 No.16909658 Report

Quoted By: >>16909680

>>16909519
Kk added, when can I expect this? And how will I know when you're online?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:46:51 No.16909680 Report

Quoted By: >>16909750

>>16909658
I have to add you back, you can hit me up on Skype

MeowMixMax

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:47:19 No.16909689 Report

Quoted By: >>16909700

>>16909628

>Espeon
>Beating Genesect

Have fun getting OHKO'd by U-Turn/X-Scissor

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:47:29 No.16909691 Report

Quoted By: >>16909712 >>16909721

With all the things being so broken

wouldn't that sort of balance things out

At this point I feel like they should make a tier between OU and Ubers just because there are so many Pokemon that are the tiniest bit too good for OU but way too bad to play in Ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:47:55 No.16909700 Report

Quoted By: >>16909725 >>16909727 >>16909769 >>16909776

>>16909689
Espeon outspeeds it by a lot and OHKO's it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:48:21 No.16909704 Report

Quoted By: >>16909789 >>16909998 >>16911729

>>16909628

>1500

Opinion Discarded

Get to at the very least 1800 and then your opinion might matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:48:41 No.16909712 Report

Quoted By: >>16909829

>>16909691
Ubers is a banlist, viability doesn't matter

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:49:03 No.16909721 Report

Quoted By: >>16909829

>>16909691
Well Ubers is always a banlist before a tier, when something is being considered for Ubers it is never taken into account how well it will do in Ubers, only how much better OU will be without it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:49:11 No.16909723 Report

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Deo-S will likely go.
Genesect will possibly go.
Deo-D is staying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:49:22 No.16909725 Report

Quoted By: >>16909809

>>16909700

>not knowing 90% of Genesect's are Scarfed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:49:25 No.16909727 Report

Quoted By: >>16909809

>>16909700
It not only doesn't outspeed the 70% of them that run choice scarf or extremespeed
you also need to run hidden power fire, which means you can't KO the other half of all Pokemon which pose a threat since that's your only coverage move besides shadow ball/dazling gleam or grass knot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:50:29 No.16909750 Report

Quoted By: >>16909771

>>16909680
I don't have skype, but my fc is
3909-8649-9565

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:51:14 No.16909769 Report

Quoted By: >>16909809

>>16909700
Most Genesects are scarfed

Also, what move does Espeon have to OHKO genesect? HP Fire?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:51:16 No.16909771 Report

Quoted By: >>16909811

>>16909750
What is your IGN? I will make a note of it when I see you online.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:51:25 No.16909776 Report

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>>16909700
dude you're in 1500
it's not just you that's likely to be mediocre
no offense

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:51:53 No.16909789 Report

Quoted By: >>16909808 >>16909852

>>16909704
>kids thinking that rank = skill
Oh to be 12

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:52:34 No.16909801 Report

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>>16909628
>Baitmon
You can't be serious, that's really specific and gimmicky. Not to mention bans also only have good players in mind. The reason Genesect is too strong is because it can U-turn out of everything that can threaten it and do a ton of damage, especially with Choice Scarf. It has a huge movepool and only one weakeness and high offensive stats that get boosted because of download. It's Gen V's stand in for Mewtwo, do you have to ask why people want it banned?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:52:56 No.16909808 Report

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>>16909789
On Showdown it does, you get a higher rank by winning lots of matches.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:52:58 No.16909809 Report

Quoted By: >>16909851 >>16909883 >>16909885

>>16909769
>>16909727
>>16909725
Not him, but a sashed Espeon wrecks it with HP Fire. Its also a great counter for Ferrothorn because of Magic Bounce and HP Fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:53:10 No.16909811 Report

Quoted By:

>>16909771
Christian

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:53:46 No.16909829 Report

Quoted By: >>16909853 >>16909916

>>16909721
>>16909712
But that's why I'm calling it into question

Why can't there be a tier rather than a banlist? Or a tier in addition to the banlist? There's clearly a bunch of staples in ubers which will remain uber due to being overpowered, but some pokemon like Salamence in Gen 4 simply went into Ubers and were never heard from again because they had no niche, nothing to do, they were strong at one point but might as well be PU if they can't be used anywhere they can have a use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:54:51 No.16909850 Report

Quoted By: >>16909898

>>16909317
sent ;)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:54:53 No.16909851 Report

Quoted By: >>16909896

>>16909809
>Sashed Espeon
When he can just U-turn out of it and not receive that HP Fire?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:54:55 No.16909852 Report

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>>16909789

But in Showdown it does.

1800 is the cutoff point where you're playing with retarded children/manchildren and playing with people that can actually think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:54:58 No.16909853 Report

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>>16909829
Salamence was not niche in DP Ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:56:07 No.16909877 Report

Quoted By:

>>16909317
I know that feel.
I have a Deoxys in my SoulSilver game. It's a flashcart. I have no actual retail games other than X.

I just want to throw yarn at it.

This is man's true pathos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:56:16 No.16909883 Report

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>>16909809
You realize U-turn switches you out, right?

Even if you got your Espeon in without any residual damage so far and somehow got it in for free on a double switch or something
>you pick HP fire
>it was scarfed (like all of them are) and used U-turn
>it switches to something like Blissey which would never give a fuck about Espeon
>Espeon uses HP fire on Blissey and takes 5% wherein it heals itself back with leftovers on the same turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:56:27 No.16909885 Report

Quoted By: >>16909901 >>16909948

>>16909809

>sash

>U-Turn
>Sash used
>switch into Heatran or any other Flash Fire Pokemon or literally any Water Type.

Now you're down one pokemon and I'm ready to sweep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:56:31 No.16909886 Report

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>>16909628

genesect's usually scarfed, so it'll just u-turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:57:06 No.16909896 Report

Quoted By: >>16909923 >>16909970

>>16909851
U-Turn doesn't OHKO it iirc and from what I've witnessed it usually goes for the X-Scissor if it has no other good counter for it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:57:11 No.16909898 Report

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>>16909850
Sent what? I didn't get any Notifications

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:57:19 No.16909901 Report

Quoted By:

>>16909885
No water types because then you risk grass knot but yeah, pretty much all of the rest of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:57:56 No.16909916 Report

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>>16909829

Salamence in Gen 4 Ubers was never heard of again because the Metatgame literally ended when he went to Ubers since Gen 5 came out.

Same thing with Landorus-I and Gen 5 Ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:58:24 No.16909923 Report

Quoted By: >>16909985

>>16909896
U Turn will always OHKO your standard 252Spa 252Spe Timid Espeon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 00:59:41 No.16909948 Report

Quoted By: >>16909990 >>16910001 >>16910032 >>16910089

>>16909885
>knowing that a fucking espeon is going to be packing a fire type move when 90% don't
Ok buddy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 01:01:07 No.16909970 Report

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>>16909896
>U-turn doesn't OHKO
>X-scissor
Who the hell are you playing with? Genesect has one of the most powerful U-turns in the Game which Espeon is weak to. last Gen it was considered one of the best ways to deal with Mewtwo. That's the point, you put a Choice Scarf on him, and his download raises his attack x1.5. You can't counter him because he won't ever face his counters. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 01:01:46 No.16909985 Report

Quoted By: >>16910002 >>16910042 >>16910532

>>16909923
You're not building it right
252 sp Attk/128 speed/128 HP Jolly Espeon still outspeeds most non-scarfed things out there, it doesn't need all of those speed EVs

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 01:01:49 No.16909986 Report

Quoted By: >>16910039

Don't most espeons have Fighting for Hidden Power?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 01:02:04 No.16909990 Report

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>>16909948
Even if you don't know that it's running a fire move, what could Espeon possibly do to a Heatran?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 01:02:34 No.16909998 Report

Quoted By:

>>16909704
>1800

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 01:02:53 No.16910001 Report

Quoted By:

>>16909948
He doesn't have to. Espeon is weak to Bug. Psychic is weak to bug, Genesect always wants to switch. You just gave him a win-win.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 01:02:58 No.16910002 Report

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>>16909985
>128 speed
>fucking Jolly

You really don't know shit about competitive battling do you? Its like you want to always be outran by Gengar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 01:05:02 No.16910032 Report

Quoted By: >>16910063

>>16909948

Or I can switch into Heatran cause Espeon literally can't do shit to Heatran unless it carries the extremely gimmicky and situational HP Ground, and if it does, that means it can't to shit to Genesect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 01:05:30 No.16910039 Report

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>>16909986
Despite this whole turn of events, I usually run HP Fire because my Espeon is an anti lead and stuff like Ferrothorn and Forretress aren't affected enough by the recently weakened HP Fighting to care.

Maybe one day it'll get aura sphere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 01:05:48 No.16910042 Report

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>>16909985
>252 SpA
>jolly

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 01:06:23 No.16910058 Report

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>Decide to wonder trade my breeding rejects
>nothing be Eevees, Ralts and Froakies in return

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 01:06:32 No.16910063 Report

Quoted By: >>16910138

>>16910032
I thought everyone ran Balloontran
What happened to that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 01:08:24 No.16910089 Report

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>>16909948
>Implying your opponent has to know that your Espeon is carrying HP Fire

Holy shit you're dumb, I mean seriously. Genesect is at 1,5x Attack thanks to Download and is facing Espeon who is weak to Bug and has 60 Def / 95 SpD, what move do you think the Genesect is going to use? Thunderbolt? Ice Beam? Flamethrower? No, the Genesect is going to use U-turn and then switch into some specially bulky Pokemon. There's no need for the Genesect to know what moves the Espeon is carrying because this plan works 100% of the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 01:11:38 No.16910138 Report

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>>16910063

Well everyone does, but if you are switching Heatran into Espeon, you probably don't have your Balloon anyway.

Rocket 3754 6751 7231 (Hawlucha and shit)

Rocket 3754 6751 7231 (Hawlucha and shit) Fri 27 Dec 2013 01:30:22 No.16910532 Report

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>>16909985
Genesect outspeeds and Scarf u-turns into his butt-buddy heatran. Your espeon is either dead or 1 Hp, and if you went for a surprise hp fire you've just boosted his heatran. Your move?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 02:14:20 No.16911573 Report

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How does non scarf Genesect work with sticky web support?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2013 02:20:30 No.16911729 Report

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>>16909704
is 1700 is bad for someone who doesn't play everyday in showdown?

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