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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 14:30:32 No.17077865 View View Reply Original Report

ITT: Pokemon that you love, but will always suck competitively. No matter what.

Pic related, love this guy, but he will never be useful. I've tried.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 14:31:22 No.17077870 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 14:33:46 No.17077890 Report

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stunfisk isn't terrible to be honest, it has good defenses, sneaky pebbles and unique typing

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 14:33:59 No.17077893 Report

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poor guy, I just want him to dick on people whilst looking chilled

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 14:46:06 No.17078047 Report

Quoted By: >>17078084 >>17078136 >>17078608 >>17078935 >>17080734

>>17077865
>160 Defence
>less Hp than Weedle
>Only fucking Sturdy barely allows it SodomySediment Setup

hurting

haru 0061-0848-2068 (Machoke, Pancham, Hariyama)

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haru 0061-0848-2068 (Machoke, Pancham, Hariyama) Thu 02 Jan 2014 14:47:14 No.17078064 Report

Quoted By: >>17078136 >>17078254

not the worst poke ever... but ive never seen a steelix online do much of anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 14:48:40 No.17078084 Report

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>>17078047
>less HP than a fucking weedle

HAHAHAH

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 14:52:53 No.17078136 Report

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>>17078047
>>17078064
You would think a massive rock/steel snake would be more threatening.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 14:56:18 No.17078183 Report

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H-hopefully Flare Blitz will help it a bit...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:02:29 No.17078254 Report

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>>17078064
Steelix lead in my team, this pokemon is awesome and bulky as hell.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:02:37 No.17078256 Report

Quoted By: >>17078302 >>17078925

I've always wanted good ol' Mawile to be usable without the backup of a mega stone, but she can only inflict mosquito bite-level damage and then she dies.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:03:47 No.17078274 Report

Quoted By: >>17078338 >>17078354 >>17078458

Swadloon is my favorite Pokemon, and I've tried all I could to make it the best in my team. I gave it insane moves, trained it as hard as I could, and gave it every supplement possible to make it stronger. In the end, it just didn't work. I finally, grievingly, evolved it last night. Since then it's been the leader of my team, but I still miss Swadloon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:05:59 No.17078302 Report

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>>17078256
With Sheer Force and Life Orb Mawile's damage output is decent. It can't OHKO shite but it does dommage. It can 2HKO a bunch of shit. It was quite decent as a revenge killer in NU last gen. Not enough to be top NU or anything but it could be used if you really wanted to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:08:34 No.17078329 Report

Quoted By: >>17078337

Surprising lack of Dunsparce in this thread.
Is it perhaps of any use that I don't know about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:09:28 No.17078337 Report

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>>17078329
Serene Grace Headbutt, Rock Slide and Glare for le ebin paraflinching: now 15% less effective because of paralysis nerf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:09:29 No.17078338 Report

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>>17078274
Did you try eviolite?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:10:30 No.17078352 Report

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Give it prankster already GF.
I don't care how broken priority spore would be, just make it happen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:10:39 No.17078354 Report

Quoted By: >>17078460

>>17078274
swadloon is easily my number 3.

my second favorite sucks pretty bad competitively, but I use him anyway, fuck yall I love hitmonchan

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:17:50 No.17078458 Report

Quoted By: >>17078474 >>17078570

Drifloon

>>17078274
I fucking love Swadloon. What did you try to do to make it viable/

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:18:06 No.17078460 Report

Quoted By: >>17078473

>>17078354
One of the few things I miss about gen 1 is how stupidly op he was.

Voice !!ugeajNQsi8Q

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Voice !!ugeajNQsi8Q Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:18:54 No.17078469 Report

Quoted By: >>17079798

An otherwise great pokemon done in by a complete and utter lack of coverage moves.
If she got Fiery Dance, the nickname "blood waifu" would be even more appropriate.
Sadly it's one of three Dance moves she can't learn (the others being Lunar Dance and Dragon Dance, which wouldn't benefit her much anyway. Well, MAYBE Lunar Dance as a last ditch effort if Sleep Powder isn't an option.)
TOP LIL WANTS TO BURN FOR YOU!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:19:26 No.17078473 Report

Quoted By: >>17078545

>>17078460
how?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:19:36 No.17078474 Report

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>>17078458
I love Drifblim, but never was keen on Drifloon. I only wish it got Wish. Gardevoir gets it, and they are in the same Egg Group.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:23:25 No.17078545 Report

Quoted By: >>17078563 >>17078610

>>17078473
>gets thunder punch, fire punch, and ice punch pretty much in a row.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:24:56 No.17078563 Report

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>>17078545
>thunder punch, fire punch, and ice punch
>special moves
>on a pokemon with 35 base special stat

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:25:20 No.17078566 Report

Quoted By: >>17078651

this fucking guy, sure he's good if you sneaky smeargle sturdy on to him, unkillable in fact bar status, hes got a nice gimmick that's horribly implemented and it hurts

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:25:37 No.17078570 Report

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>>17078458
Well, I gave it an Eviolite to improve its defenses. I bred one to know Bug Buzz and Leaf storm, as well as Me First.

The Leaf storm thing didn't work since Sewaddle can't learn it, so it ended up learning Energy Ball.

Now it's a Leavanny that knows Poison Jab, Leaf Blade, X-scissor and Bug Buzz.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:26:42 No.17078590 Report

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oh and this guy, the entire line reeks of wasted potential, seriously, who though that bloody stat spread was a good idea

choc: 0061-0632-2482 - Pansage, Ivysaur, Quilladin

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choc: 0061-0632-2482 - Pansage, Ivysaur, Quilladin Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:27:48 No.17078608 Report

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>>17078047
I....I just checked....

My god Onix, I am so sorry....

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:27:50 No.17078610 Report

Quoted By: >>17078655

>>17078545
>special moves
Hitmonchan sucked back then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:28:11 No.17078615 Report

Quoted By: >>17078655

>>17078563
Say what you will. At the end of the day, it countered pretty much anything with ease.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:31:01 No.17078651 Report

Quoted By: >>17078687

>>17078566
carbink is the first pokemon who can skill swap sturdy. Unfortunately you can't skill swap wonder guard, so you'll have to overwrite its ability with something else first, either through entrainment or worry seed or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:31:09 No.17078655 Report

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>>17078610
sadly he's still not the greatest, running with sky uppercut thunder punch ice punch and earthquake.
>>17078615
no, he didn't. he had a total of like, 3 useable moves, being mega punch/kick and submission.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:32:36 No.17078675 Report

Quoted By: >>17078694 >>17078717 >>17078730 >>17078741 >>17078826

>nobody likes unown

I always wanted to see it get buffed with new stats, abilities and a moveset

loved it because of the lore and movies

>unown will never be useful
they could have at least give us unown hordes, it's the perfect horde pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:33:40 No.17078687 Report

Quoted By: >>17078700 >>17078706 >>17078738

>>17078651
its possible, i saw an ingame battle recording of someone swapping sturdy to smeargle then he used entrainment on shedinja (doubles)

although most players would see what was going on and/or use a status move afterwards

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:34:06 No.17078694 Report

Quoted By: >>17083961

>>17078675
I ran a team in crystal with unown and he carried the team
I was using a team of the worst pokemon I could

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:34:41 No.17078700 Report

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>>17078687
>Heal Bell/Aromatherapy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:35:06 No.17078706 Report

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>>17078687
which is why you use thunder wave on shedinja after, and give it safety goggles

it's tricky to pull off but if you manage it, the opponent can't do anything unless they can change your ability

Voice !!ugeajNQsi8Q

Voice !!ugeajNQsi8Q Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:35:45 No.17078717 Report

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>>17078675
"OH GOD WHICH ONE DO I CATCH?!"
...yeah, actually it would be the perfect horde pokemon. Maybe next game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:37:10 No.17078730 Report

Quoted By: >>17078750 >>17078761

>>17078675
its a shame they designed unown purely as a lore related mon in my opinion
it would be cool to see an evolution with a lot of unown floating around some sort of tablet, possibly with a signature move that was basically a power buffed hidden power, foul play, and a special attack equivalent of foul play, still a gimick one but a usefull one

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:37:37 No.17078738 Report

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>>17078687
>You will never get a FAGET horde

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:37:54 No.17078741 Report

Quoted By: >>17078826

>>17078675
>a hoard of wild unown appeared
>D I C K S

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:38:38 No.17078750 Report

Quoted By: >>17078789 >>17079473

>>17078730
siglyph looked like it would've been an unown evolution until they decided "NO, EVERYTHING IN UNOVA IS UNIQUE"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:39:40 No.17078761 Report

Quoted By: >>17078778

>>17078730
Give it two moves:

Hidden Power from pre-evo, and

>Cypher Power
Exact same as HP, but with 140 BP. Exclusive to the Unown line.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:41:10 No.17078778 Report

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>>17078761
>140 stab no drawbacks psychic HP
>140 special rock move
Oh boy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:41:49 No.17078789 Report

Quoted By: >>17078827

>>17078750
i actually got back into the series after a few years with black2 and i was blown away by how much sigilyph wasn't related to the unown, i mean its based on symbols for christs sake

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:43:07 No.17078801 Report

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I'm the Swadloon dude, I also wish I could just train a teeny tiny little Joltik to be badass.

But I can't. Because it's too teeny tiny to be a bamf.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:45:07 No.17078826 Report

Quoted By: >>17078862

>>17078675
>>17078741
>Unown hordes appear throughout the story, spelling out five-letter words that are cryptic hints

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:45:11 No.17078827 Report

Quoted By: >>17078922

>>17078789
It also looks like an alternate version of Xatu.

Friggin totem pole birds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:48:22 No.17078862 Report

Quoted By: >>17078877 >>17078897 >>17078909 >>17078932

>>17078826
>story based around ancient legendary reawakening that could rival arceus but nobody knows

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:49:35 No.17078877 Report

Quoted By: >>17078894 >>17078909

>>17078862
And of course just like every game you get to catch a legendary Pokemon that there's only supposed to be one of but everyone and their mother has.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:51:11 No.17078894 Report

Quoted By: >>17078911

>>17078877
Catch Rate: 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:51:40 No.17078897 Report

Quoted By: >>17078932

>>17078862
>hunt rivaling the regi trio search from gen 3
>you have to pass tests in a non linear order to open locks
>the new trio is based on the theme of seals and locks that actually look good
>protagonists from older games make a cameo

Dan 0877-0204-4806 [Ice] Snover, Weavile, ???

Dan 0877-0204-4806 [Ice] Snover, Weavile, ??? Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:53:03 No.17078909 Report

Quoted By: >>17078919 >>17079007

>>17078877
>>17078862

It's like a treasure hunt, and you are required to work out the cryptic clues to get the password.

For the event.
With only a 10 of the legendaries to give out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:53:12 No.17078911 Report

Quoted By: >>17078934

>>17078894
And then you go online and all the twelve year olds are like I HAVE AN ARCEUS WANNA BATTLE MY ARCEUS I HAVE A TEAM OF MEWTWO AND ARCEUS AND PALKIA AND ARCEUS AND MEW AND ARCEUUUUUUUUUUUUUS

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:54:15 No.17078919 Report

Quoted By: >>17078937

>>17078909
Ten legendaries per...

How many people are playing Pokemon worldwide now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:54:18 No.17078921 Report

Quoted By: >>17078948 >>17078991

I'm sad how many of the first gen Pokemon are shit

I just like the simpler designs a lot but looking at them hardly any are useful at all, they have shit typings, bad stats and awful movesets

I'm glad Gengar is so still so great but now every faggot is using him because he's broken as fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:54:22 No.17078922 Report

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>>17078827
>implying it isnt a great theme, i just wish xatu had gotten an evolution/not been made to look retarded because
>m-muh sky battles

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:54:50 No.17078925 Report

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>>17078256

isnt M-mawile a constant threat in OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:55:28 No.17078932 Report

Quoted By: >>17078969

>>17078862
>>17078897
I like all of it except the older protagonist cameos. That's unstable ground there.
Also pls no puzzles with surfing water currents

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:55:37 No.17078934 Report

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>>17078911
>complaining about a bunch of incredibly bad players
I don't see how they are relevant.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:55:44 No.17078935 Report

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>>17078047
>yfw Joltik has higher attack than Onix
You would think a giant rock snake would have something like 90 attack at least.

Dan 0877-0204-4806 [Ice] Snover, Weavile, ???

Dan 0877-0204-4806 [Ice] Snover, Weavile, ??? Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:55:53 No.17078937 Report

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>>17078919
They would be worth hundreds of shinies. It's the perfect plan. I want one for Trading fodder.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:56:36 No.17078948 Report

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>>17078921
But Growlithe and Vulpix. I mean they're still pretty great. And Raichu's not bad.

I used to have a Persian on my team, that was pretty cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:58:19 No.17078969 Report

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>>17078932
surfing water currents would be fine, just as long as random encounters are turned off in that section

Guts 1521-4229-3098 [Paras - Beautifly - Vivillon]

Guts 1521-4229-3098 [Paras - Beautifly - Vivillon] Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:58:34 No.17078974 Report

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>>17077865
I have a shiny for that fuck if you want it later. Female modest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 15:59:56 No.17078991 Report

Quoted By: >>17079069

>>17078921
all the trade-for-third-evo first gen ones are great.
>Gengar
>Alakazam
>Machamp
>Golem
Boom, there's two thirds of your first gen team, real easy.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 16:01:08 No.17079004 Report

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>pretty cool design and great shiny
>movepool is mediocre and saved by move tutor along with viable attacking stats
>speed isn't fast enough to sweep and too high to be a good trickroom user
>bulk isn't good enough to take hits well
Feels bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 16:01:19 No.17079007 Report

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>>17078909
there would have to be something to prove they're legit, like a ribbon or something. If the mon is in the game's code but only 10 legit ones exist, you know thousands will be hacked in.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 16:03:28 No.17079039 Report

Quoted By: >>17079054 >>17079094 >>17079129 >>17079834

her X/Y model is so adorable.

please spoonfeed me a way to make her useful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 16:04:35 No.17079054 Report

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>>17079039
There is none, use Bunnelby.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 16:05:50 No.17079069 Report

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>>17078991
Haha, that's more or less what I used through the single player + Blastoise and various mons for the 6th slot. I do like those Pokemon but there are few of my favorites I'm a bit sore on

I was kind of pleased how useful Butterfree was for so long this game, though I didn't really look up whether it has potential for battling yet

Dan [Sandshrew/Marowak/Palpitoad] 3540-0341-8385

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Dan [Sandshrew/Marowak/Palpitoad] 3540-0341-8385 Thu 02 Jan 2014 16:05:51 No.17079070 Report

Quoted By: >>17079148 >>17079798

One of my favorite Grass type pokemon and everytime I try to use her, she just gets wrecked.

Makes me pretty sad

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 16:06:53 No.17079094 Report

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>>17079039
Klutz + Choice Scarf + Switcheroo makes for a small support set, but, it won't be viable in competitive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 16:08:17 No.17079129 Report

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>>17079039
klutz switcheroo shenanigans are fun

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 16:09:06 No.17079148 Report

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>>17079070
All you can hope to do is just sub leech seed

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 16:29:58 No.17079473 Report

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>>17078750

I would prefer unown getting buffed in every aspect and siglyph being separate
maybe even multitype unown

they could have just made it linked to the unown but being of a higher rank is the pokemon pantheon

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 16:34:42 No.17079549 Report

Quoted By: >>17079762 >>17080063

Fucking slaking. I love this guy, but his fucking ability.... Wish there was megavolution nerfing his stats and changing his ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 16:47:33 No.17079762 Report

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>>17079549
Shame he didn't keep Vital Spirit.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 16:49:46 No.17079798 Report

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Whatever it do, it always outclassed by any grass type, like >>17078469 even motherfucking >>17079070 has more niche.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 16:51:30 No.17079834 Report

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>>17079039
Klutz Assault. Never have I seen more anger as I make their precious Taunt bait Gliscor or Hazard setter a shitmon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 16:51:34 No.17079836 Report

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Poliwrath ;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 17:06:46 No.17080063 Report

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>>17079549
>Literally a Vigoroth as buffed as him.
My anus is now tightly clenched.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 17:33:13 No.17080468 Report

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Ever since I was a kid I loved this guy. I just love his design and that he seems to have two faces even though I now know what the six year old me called the "tired" face is the real one. Shame he has no moves

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 17:48:06 No.17080734 Report

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>>17078047
>less Hp than Weedle
I have never felt so sorry for a Pokémon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 18:07:46 No.17081187 Report

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Limber Stunfisk replaced with Storm Drain Stunfisk when?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 18:38:25 No.17081865 Report

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Outclassed to death.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2014 20:02:53 No.17083961 Report

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>>17078694
I'm curious of who was in this team? I remember adamantly trying to use a Jumpluff with sleep powder+leech seed+ingrain but to no avail, was out of the party by the penultimate gym ;_;

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