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Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 08:08:02 No.17100128 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>17100158

>Last gen we joked about Kyurem-B being UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 08:10:30 No.17100158 Report

Quoted By: >>17100178

>>17100128
It's extremely broken and will be banned to BL soon, along with Tornadus and Keldeo. Seriously fuck them. Get rid of Bisharp and Chansey too.

Tell me how to git gud /vp/ ;_;

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Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 08:11:33 No.17100166 Report

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>deoxys-d and -s in uu
>manaphy in uu

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 08:12:31 No.17100178 Report

Quoted By: >>17100201

>>17100158
>keldeo
not hard to handle at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 08:14:05 No.17100201 Report

Quoted By: >>17100222 >>17100267

>>17100178
In conjunction with the others I find him hard to deal with
But that's probably just me; subsequently if they got rid of the other faggots who keep taking out my team members which can kill Keldeo I might be able to fucking do something

Also Deoxys get out
Are there any good spinners/defoggers in UU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 08:15:35 No.17100222 Report

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>>17100201
Sandslash

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 08:19:02 No.17100267 Report

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>>17100201
it has lots of safe switch ins so I find it the least of UU's worries, the same can't really be said for stuff like kyurem-b and thundurus-t

as for defoggers there's latias and zapdos

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 08:22:11 No.17100299 Report

Quoted By: >>17100474

Drizzle: The Experience feat. Politoed, Keldeo, Kingdra, and Kyurem-B with special guest appearances by Deoxys-S and Latias

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 08:36:01 No.17100474 Report

Quoted By: >>17101755

>>17100299
UU is now OU. Smogon should rethink the tiering system to accomodate all the new Pok?mon. its been a while since we had only 250 mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 10:55:10 No.17101740 Report

Quoted By: >>17102098

People need to realize tat this thing is OU material and it needs to get more usage.
Teravolt Ice Beam kills Megasaur and Teravolt Earth Power kills Rotom-W.
Both are slower than Kyu-B and can't do jack shit in return if it's running its trademark Substitute set.
And there's still the LO mixed attacker that has NO counters and shits all over the OU fairy types because all of them are weak to its ice/electric/ground moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 10:56:35 No.17101755 Report

Quoted By: >>17101784 >>17101790

>>17100474
The usage cutoff needs to be lowered.
3.41% is too high and at this rate we'll end up with a BL tier made of 15-20 mons whoa re perfectly viable in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 10:59:45 No.17101784 Report

Quoted By: >>17101838

>>17101755

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/official-smogon-university-simulator-statistics-%E2%80%94-november-2013.3494159/page-6#post-5048549

>This will (probably) never happen. 3.41% comes from the likelihood that you will have a 50% chance of seeing a Pokemon in every 20 battles. UU gets more powerful each generation, often being more comparable to the previous generation's OU than its UU. This may become even more true this generation if Politoed, Ninetales, and Hippowdon all become UU.

>Lowering the cutoff would also increase the number of Pokemon in any given tier that are subpar choices in OU, mainly thanks to being outclassed. BW Jolteon is a good example, as there were few reasons to use it over Thundurus-T, so it was generally considered a subpar option. Lowering the cutoff would only make this more common. (Why would I use Noivern, for example, in OU when I could use any of the other 6 dragons in the tier?)

Basically, a lower cut-off point leads to more Pokemon in OU being outclassed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 11:00:11 No.17101790 Report

Quoted By: >>17101868

>>17101755
What's the problem with that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 11:02:22 No.17101806 Report

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Kyurem-Black @ Leftovers
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 56 HP / 216 SpA / 236 Spe
Mild Nature
- Substitute
- Ice Beam
- Earth Power
- Fusion Bolt

Kyurem-Black @ Life Orb
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 100 Atk / 180 SpA / 228 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Ice Beam
- Earth Power
- Fusion Bolt
- Roost/Iron Head/Outrage

The first set uses many common top OU pokemon such as Heatran, Gliscor, Rotom-W and Mega Venusaur as set up bait and from there it 2HKO's at worst anything not named specially defensive Ferrothorn or Chansey. It also beats dangerous offensive pokemon like Dragonite and outspeeds Lucario before Mega evolving (Bullet Punch won't KO even after SR).

The second set has no counters whatsoever and is pretty much guaranteed a kill per match against offensive/balanced teams and can potentially 6-0 stall teams by itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 11:05:55 No.17101838 Report

Quoted By: >>17101885 >>17101918 >>17102052

>>17101784
>comparing gen 5 to gen 6
3.41% was fine in gen 5 because there was a small BL tier made of decidedly average pokemon (except Chansey and maybe normal Kyurem), but if we end up with stuff like Keldeo, Latias, Kyu-B and Tornadus-T in BL there is obviously something wrong with the current system. Besides what exacly outclasses them again?
I don't care how pretty that "50% chance" looks, it's still an arbitrary number and BL tiers should be as small as possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 11:09:32 No.17101868 Report

Quoted By: >>17101881 >>17101928 >>17101939

>>17101790
tier sizes should be proportional to the number of available mons.
it's absurd to keep the OU number at ~50 when we have 700+ mons now.
will it still be 50 by the time gen 10 rolls out and we have 1000+ mons?

the fact perfectly viable and extremely strong pokemon like keldeo and kyu-b are OU is a testament of how messed up this system is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 11:10:39 No.17101881 Report

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>>17101868
are UU*

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 11:11:03 No.17101885 Report

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>>17101838
The meta will change a lot, though. Torty, Latias, Keldeo and Kyube wont fall. Neither will the deos, who may actually get kicked to ubers.
Shit like Klefki and Sableye wont stay in OU. I think it's kinda reckless to make a UU tier right now. I mean, it's fun and all, but it's completely different to what a deffinitive UU will look like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 11:14:29 No.17101918 Report

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>>17101838
avoiding BL pokemon is impossible, there will always be something that is broken in UU. and usage in OU doesn't determine how good a pokemon is in the UU metagame, either. look at froslass or gothitelle last gen, they were banned to BL but were rare sights in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 11:15:33 No.17101928 Report

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>>17101868
i'm not saying i don't like your idea, but it just doesn't make sense to include more pokemon if they're just going to be outclassed by everything else already in the tier. so what if BL ends up being big? There's no guarantee that the 'mons we're discussing will even stay UU or that they're actually too strong for UU. Metagame is still relatively new, give it a little bit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 11:17:52 No.17101939 Report

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>>17101868
>it's absurd to keep the OU number at ~50 when we have 700+ mons now
when hundreds of those pokemon are shit? not really

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 11:21:05 No.17101970 Report

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Bump OU to top 60 and a majority of the problems are solved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 11:30:43 No.17102052 Report

Quoted By: >>17102056

>>17101838
They should rename Ubers to God tier, OU to Ubers and Fill the new OU tier with the current cut off,BL and the viable UU mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 11:31:18 No.17102056 Report

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>>17102052
lolno

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Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2014 11:35:22 No.17102098 Report

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>>17101740
>Teravolt Ice Beam kills Megasaur and Teravolt Earth Power kills Rotom-W.
Shiiit, I forgot that Teravolt was literally mold breaker, thanks dude

>Finally an good m-saur and rotom w counter

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