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Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 19:55:44 No.17199884 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>17200034

How many points does a BST need so it can be considered "viable"?
Is 100 attack viable? Or is everything under 130 considered shit (if it has no gimmick) ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:04:27 No.17200034 Report

Quoted By: >>17200095 >>17200148

>>17199884
BST doesn't really matter its all moveset, look at Entei, BST of 580 and it basically can't do shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:05:05 No.17200044 Report

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slaking has 670 BST

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:07:01 No.17200083 Report

Quoted By: >>17200110 >>17200203

Moves, Ability, Typing, and BST are all factors. The Entei example is a good one. Black Kyurem has a BST that exceeds Mewtwo's, but is considered lower-tier due to typing and speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:07:31 No.17200095 Report

Quoted By: >>17200109 >>17200148

>>17200034
this, BST isnt really important its the allocation but more than that its the ability and movepool (and typing)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:08:27 No.17200109 Report

Quoted By: >>17200127 >>17200161

>>17200095
>Good typing
>Good ability
>Shit stats
>Into the trash it goes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:08:26 No.17200110 Report

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>>17200083
Not to mention movepool, its basically one ice punch away from Ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:09:29 No.17200127 Report

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>>17200109
>what is sableye

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:10:39 No.17200148 Report

Quoted By: >>17200197

>>17200095
>>17200034

Tell that to Nidoking.

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Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:11:08 No.17200161 Report

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>>17200109
>implying sableye isn't viable in ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:12:18 No.17200180 Report

Quoted By: >>17200218 >>17200243 >>17200263 >>17200267 >>17200640

Dual typed pokemon are inherently better than monotypes. Prove me wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:13:36 No.17200197 Report

Quoted By: >>17200309

>>17200148
but anon Nidoking does have a move pool problem, its a physical attacker but its ability works much better with its special move pool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:13:57 No.17200203 Report

Quoted By: >>17200270

>>17200083

Regigigas is NU garbage because it has a bad ability (Slow Start) and a terrible movepool, despite monstrous stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:14:44 No.17200218 Report

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>>17200180
Obamasnow

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:16:03 No.17200243 Report

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>>17200180
Bug/Grass

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:16:48 No.17200263 Report

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>>17200180
aggron losing rock typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:16:55 No.17200267 Report

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>>17200180
Rock/Fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:17:09 No.17200270 Report

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>>17200203
Yeah. And if you do the trick where you suppress the Ability, Slaking has better balk, making Regigigas even more inferior.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:19:10 No.17200309 Report

Quoted By: >>17200326 >>17200345 >>17200522

>>17200197
Its base attack is 92 while the special is 85, not too far from each other so it should be viable either way... except both numbers are mediocre.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:20:15 No.17200326 Report

Quoted By: >>17200518

>>17200309
Its base attack is 102.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:21:32 No.17200345 Report

Quoted By: >>17200518

>>17200309
>Its base attack is 92

not any more.

http://www.serebii.net/xy/updatedstats.shtml

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:28:51 No.17200518 Report

Quoted By: >>17200728

>>17200326
>>17200345

True, my bad.
The point remains tho, he is still not fast (or slow) enough to be a threat, defenses are not stellar either.

Not hating on Nidoking but he's the living proof that movepool alone doesn't make a pokémon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:29:05 No.17200522 Report

Quoted By: >>17200635 >>17200705

>>17200309
>433 Atk
>Elemental Punches, Rock Slide
>384 SpA
>Elemental 90's, Sludge Wave, Earth Power
>Mediocre

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:33:36 No.17200635 Report

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>>17200522
Straight to ubers then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:33:45 No.17200640 Report

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>>17200180
Rock/Ice is worse than any typing out there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:36:39 No.17200705 Report

Quoted By: >>17200860

>>17200522
>Made up numbers

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-xy/034.shtml

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:37:37 No.17200728 Report

Quoted By: >>17200783

>>17200518
Spinda is another good example. Great movepool, but no stats to back it up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:40:14 No.17200783 Report

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>>17200728
That's because it's a gimickmon.

I can only hope GF gives it a evolution that's actually useful and still looks as cute as Spinda.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2014 20:43:27 No.17200860 Report

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>>17200705
>what is sheer force

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