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Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 06:15:51 No.17235965 View View Reply Original Report

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Any math folks here?
How hard does Machamp hit?
"Using its heavy muscles, it throws powerful punches that can send the victim clear over the horizon."
Here's a reference/formulas for hitting a baseball.
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/AlbertKlyachko.shtml

But how much would it take to punch 150lbs over 15 miles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 07:27:55 No.17237172 Report

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>Yellow: One arm alone can move mountains. Using all four arms, this Pokémon fires off awesome punches.

So it can also move a mountain with one arm. Given the average weight of a mountain and friction forces, that's probably really damn strong. and yet, it has less attack than a fucking supercomputer

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 08:03:10 No.17237801 Report

Quoted By: >>17237885 >>17238032

Okay, so I'm no physicist, but I decided to do some calculations on the mountain thing.

Let's say that the the mass of the mountain is 10^14 kilograms. This seems reasonable for an decently sized mountain, maybe 2000 metres tall. Now, let's consider the mountain is resting on a granite base, and it's bottom is made of granite too. The coefficient of friction between these is about 0.6.

>(10^14)(9.8) = 9.8 x 10^14 N
>(9.8 x 10^14)(0.6) = 5.88 x 10^14 N

That is a damn lot of force. In fact, it is probably about a trillion times more force than a person can exert at full capacity.

So, I don't think Machamp is capable of throwing something over the horizon. Whatever he is throwing would probably vaporize soon after leaving his hand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 08:07:36 No.17237877 Report

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Also, lemme just remind you that Machamp has 55 base speed. Realistically though, since it weighs only 130 kg, it could leap around like the Hulk.... using only one hand. In fact, it could probably leap into space.

>inb4 "speed stat is based on reaction time and battle reflexes, not movement speed"

To that I have these:

>Crystal: With four arms that react more quickly than it can think, it can execute many punches at once.

>FireRed: Its four ruggedly developed arms can launch a flurry of 1,000 punches in just two seconds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 08:08:11 No.17237885 Report

Quoted By: >>17237970

>>17237801
If only it had 1,000,000,000,000 base Attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 08:14:05 No.17237970 Report

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>>17237885
He could kill with false swipe

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 08:15:42 No.17237993 Report

Quoted By: >>17238090 >>17238142

I tend not to believe anything the PokeDex says which is all probably bullshit anyway.
Those descriptions are just to mkae little kids say "OHHHHH!!! AHHHHH I WANT A MACHAMP GYISE!!!!"
Machamp can hit hard i can tell, but not as hard to send someone "over the horizon". That's just stupid

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 08:16:17 No.17237998 Report

Quoted By: >>17238060

That's probably enough force to kill an Indian Elephant

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 08:18:52 No.17238032 Report

Quoted By: >>17238097

>>17237801
Mountains start at 1000ft/300m

What would be the results then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 08:20:47 No.17238060 Report

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>>17237998
and absorb its nutrients

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 08:22:39 No.17238090 Report

Quoted By: >>17238264

>>17237993
Because it's a kid's game?
You need to consider that the dex is canon and that Tyranitar has a base stat of 134, and it can destroy a mountain with one arm.
Gigalith can also destroy a mountain with a similar base atk.

And Pokemon never fight to kill. Remember that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 08:22:50 No.17238097 Report

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>>17238032
It depends on the mass of the mountain. It would still be an insane amount of force, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 08:26:42 No.17238142 Report

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>>17237993
Oh look at how grown up you are!

The whole kid/make belief stuff in Pokémon is its charm. I believe it's the core reason why people still play to this day, despite getting older. Shit, I've been playing for 15 years now, I couldn't give two shits if I'm playing Pokémon and being 23 already. If you take out anything from the core of Pokémon, it loses its charm. It annoys me to no end when people bitch and moan about how they want a mature rated Pokémon game and that it should "grow up with its fan base".

So, let the kids (and those kid at heart) read up on their bros' dex entries and believe whatever it says on there. It makes shit even more awesome.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 08:35:46 No.17238264 Report

Quoted By: >>17238448

>>17238090
Different person but, the Pokedex being bullshit has nothing to do with it being in a kids game. At least half of the entries are not only physically impossible, but completely laughable too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 08:39:53 No.17238325 Report

Quoted By: >>17238483

So Machamp can also throw 1000 punches in two seconds. Considering it's using all four arms equally, that is equal to 125 punches per arm, per second. Now, Machamp is 1.6 metres (fuck imperial lol). It's a little tough to tell, but Machamp seems to have relatively long arms compared to it's stature. For simplicity's sake, let's say Machamp has an arm length of 0.5 metres.

>0.5 metres/(8x10^-3 seconds per punch)= 62.5 metres/ second average velocity. That's really fast, but let's convert it to miles or kilometres per hour.

>140 miles per hour
>225 kilometres per hour

Okay, that's really damn fast, but not Pidgeot fast just yet.

However, we are forgetting to factor certain things.
>Acceleration: Machamp's punch is probably faster than that at the apex of his punch
>Recoil: The calculations were made under the assumption that it takes a 125th of a second for Machamp the fully extend his arm.

This is obviously false though, as it would also take time for Machamp to bring his arm back to prepare the next punch. In fact, it would probably take longer for him to bring his arm back than to actually perform the punch. I'm not about to analyse videos of punches, though. The point is, this implies that his punch speed is much higher, maybe even Mach level speeds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 08:51:56 No.17238448 Report

Quoted By: >>17238643

>>17238264
Neither is half the shit in DBZ.
It's their world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 08:55:34 No.17238483 Report

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>>17238325
FFFUCK.
Does anyone have that Scyther After image feat/calculations?

I also remember the Machamp one about how durable his skin has to be inorder to throw thise punches.
Damn, those images were back in 08 though..

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 09:12:02 No.17238643 Report

Quoted By: >>17239795

>>17238448
I have no knowledge or experience with DBZ, so I can't really say anything about that except that THAT discussion is for another thread on another board.
Saying that it's "their world" is no excuse for illogicalities with the "facts" in the Pokedex, as they obviously have similar physics to our own.
I except the general consensus that the Dex entries were written by children or for children, as that is the only logical conclusion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 10:56:15 No.17239795 Report

Quoted By: >>17239842

>>17238643
" is no excuse for illogicalities with the "facts" in the Pokedex, as they obviously have similar physics to our own."

>Fictional creatures.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jan 2014 11:01:11 No.17239842 Report

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>>17239795
Your point?
Some people enjoy mulling over stupid things that don't honestly matter.

Also
>pulling out the "they don't exist" card in a thread about discussing the physics in dex entries

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