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Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 21:53:17 No.17391910 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>17391998 >>17392329

>Knock-Off is the nail in the coffin for defensive play
>mfw

Looks like I'll just use all-out attacking uber legendaries, because there is no reason for me to use pokemon I actually like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 21:55:29 No.17391966 Report

Quoted By: >>17391992

Seriously, why does Game Freak hate defense so damn much?

How do we fix stall for gen VII?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 21:56:24 No.17391992 Report

Quoted By: >>17392621

>>17391966
Something with a Download ability but for defensive stats.

>inb4 it's given to something with 400 BST

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 21:56:34 No.17391998 Report

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>>17391910
Yea there is! Just start liking Genesect, Rotom, Aegislash, Greninja, Lucario, and Talonflame. THEN you'll be using Pokemon you like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:05:31 No.17392208 Report

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Knock-Off ruins so many pokemon.

Any defensive Ghost (Besides Aegislash, who is more of a Tank) or Psychic pokemon is now pretty much useless (as if they had a chance to begin with).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:10:44 No.17392329 Report

Quoted By: >>17392421 >>17392437

>>17391910
>The only buff knock off received was dealing a bit more damage if an item is being held.

Literally the ONLY change. People are just finally catching on that knocking items off is pretty fucking good. This shit has been around since 4th gen with Tangrowth.

Fuck off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:14:26 No.17392421 Report

Quoted By: >>17392439

>>17392329
Knock Off used to be 20 PP. Knocking off an item was useful but it didn't do much damage at all.

Now it does good damage, and fucking everything gets it from the BW2 move tutor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:15:15 No.17392437 Report

Quoted By: >>17392464 >>17392476 >>17392667

>>17392329
>only a bit more damage
>raised from 20 BP to 65 BP, with a 50% boost to that if there is a held item, which are imperative to stall and defensive pokemon
>oh, and let's give it 5 more extra PP.

Knock-Off is now good enough to make Mandibuzz OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:15:31 No.17392439 Report

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>>17392421
>20 PP
*BP

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:16:21 No.17392464 Report

Quoted By: >>17392545 >>17392617

>>17392437
>Thinking Mandibuzz is OU because of knock off.
>Not because of Defog
>Not because of Overcoat buff
>Not because it is now one of the only defensive mons that is immune to ghost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:16:57 No.17392476 Report

Quoted By: >>17392545 >>17392617

>>17392437
>Knock-Off is now good enough to make Mandibuzz OU
Mandibuzz is the only defensive Pokemon immune to ghost, that's why. Also defog. And Spore immunity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:18:15 No.17392509 Report

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Just switch m-venu into knock-off.

Come to think of it mvenu counters most knock-off users.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:18:21 No.17392510 Report

Quoted By: >>17392564

>tfw gliscor switches in to knock off
>IT LOST ITS TOXIC ORB

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:19:48 No.17392545 Report

Quoted By: >>17392569 >>17392623

>>17392464
>>17392476
>thinking mandibuzz is immune to ghost

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:20:53 No.17392564 Report

Quoted By: >>17392686

>>17392510
>Switching Gliscor into Knock-Off

You deserve to lose your Toxic Orb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:21:08 No.17392569 Report

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>>17392545
>implying vultures aren't ain't scared of no ghosts

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:23:25 No.17392617 Report

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>>17392476
>>17392464

>immune to ghost

What?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:23:42 No.17392621 Report

Quoted By: >>17392649

>>17391992
>Intimidate

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:23:43 No.17392623 Report

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>>17392545
Meant resistant, of course.

No, seriously, one of only two defensive dark types with recovery. The other is Umbreon and it gets buttfucked by Sacred Sword.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:24:54 No.17392649 Report

Quoted By: >>17392683

>>17392621
>opponent switches
>your boost is now gone

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:25:30 No.17392667 Report

Quoted By: >>17392687

>>17392437
2 Knock Offs outdamages 2 Crunches.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:26:31 No.17392683 Report

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>>17392649
>implying forcing switches is a bad thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:26:42 No.17392686 Report

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>>17392564
No the opponent switch into knock off

Feels good to wreck that fucker

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:26:45 No.17392687 Report

Quoted By: >>17392747 >>17392748

>>17392667
By like 2.5 BP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:29:50 No.17392744 Report

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I wouldn't find it as annoying if it wasn't given to EVERYTHING.

Same with stealth rock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:29:55 No.17392747 Report

Quoted By: >>17393896

>>17392687
mega stone holders always hold an item

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:29:59 No.17392748 Report

Quoted By: >>17392802

>>17392687
Which isn't a big deal, but BUT the added utility vastly overshadows the chance of lowering defense from crunch.

Imagine if Tyranitar got Knock Off.
Tyranitar@Assault Vest
>Sassy Nature
>252 Hp 252 SpDef
>Knock Off
>Stone Edge
>Ice Beam
>Fire Blast

Hello Ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:32:39 No.17392802 Report

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>>17392748
iirc Leftovers will actually let ttar take more special hits, and I really like letting ttar be my sneaky pebbles mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 22:33:57 No.17392828 Report

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OP, knock off can also be used to remove choice items and life orbs, if that's any consolation.

But it ranks up there with Scald as one of the most obnoxious moves in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jan 2014 23:28:59 No.17393896 Report

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>>17392747
It only deals the 50% extra damage if the pokemon's holding an item other than mega stones and griceous orb.

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