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Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:05:22 No.17394587 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>17394615 >>17394633 >>17394765 >>17394941 >>17395338

>"Paraflinch is a valid tactic"
>"There are ways to deal with it like Heatran or Rotom-W"

>So is double team/baton pass
>Jirachi can still paraflinch Heatran to death and flinch abuse Rotom.
>Jirachi once paraflinched a Registeel 80HKO

So really, why is this shit allowed?
>inb4 don't play by Smogon rules
You have to suck smogon cock if you want to play Showdown.

What other load of shit bans does Smogon have in place?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:06:46 No.17394615 Report

Quoted By: >>17394634

>>17394587
I came here to watch dumb arguments

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:07:40 No.17394633 Report

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>>17394587
Nice try. Your arguments aren't going to be any less retarded in a new thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:07:40 No.17394634 Report

Quoted By: >>17396670

>>17394615

Pass the popcorn

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:08:25 No.17394647 Report

Quoted By: >>17394701

>baton passing double team
Everything gets it. That's why evasion is a problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:08:34 No.17394652 Report

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>Bans Dodging.
>Doesn't ban Stealth Rock.
>Balance.
>Smogon has Flawless logic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:10:24 No.17394691 Report

Quoted By: >>17394769

Are you one of those who cries about everything?
Do you want offensive attacks banned too? and status moves too? and pokemon too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:10:58 No.17394701 Report

Quoted By: >>17394914

>>17394647
Why? Because it makes everything viable? And smogon can't have THAT, now can they?

If everything worked, then people would have no reason to use their stupid cookie cutter builds and teams, and then who would they lord over feeling superior?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:14:33 No.17394765 Report

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>>17394587
>muh Smogwash

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:14:42 No.17394769 Report

Quoted By: >>17394792

>>17394691
Megasmogon clause: everything is banned, you fight with petty arguments instead of pokemon because everything else is OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:15:33 No.17394792 Report

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>>17394769

I'm going to have to ban your arguments because they are better than my arguments and we cannot have that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:18:08 No.17394853 Report

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>Implying there's a way to directly counter Double Team+Baton Pass other than pure haze

Mr. Pokemon !D0842i3RdA

Mr. Pokemon !D0842i3RdA Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:21:38 No.17394914 Report

Quoted By: >>17394961

>>17394701
No, because then EVERYONE would be using it because it's going to get them wins. Since it's fucking hard to actually hit a +6 evasion Pokemon.

That's why it's banned. People are going to use what gets them wins. Smogon doesn't force you to use certain Pokemon.

People blame Smogon for shit they don't control, and that's the balance of the game.

Talk to GF about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:22:52 No.17394941 Report

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>>17394587
Test ran double team/baton pass to see how well it holds up.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/xybattlespotsingles-77990295

Don't know why they nerfed Double Team though. Used to be x2 not x1.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:23:42 No.17394961 Report

Quoted By: >>17395019 >>17395026

>>17394914
If you let your opponent get to +6 evasion then it would be time to
>Git gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:26:16 No.17395019 Report

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>>17394961
>Double team
>You miss
>Rinse and repeat

Mr. Pokemon !D0842i3RdA

Mr. Pokemon !D0842i3RdA Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:26:34 No.17395026 Report

Quoted By: >>17395228

>>17394961
+1 evasion already makes you miss like hell.

Just invest EV"s in Defense, then spam Double Team while holding brightpowder

There's a reason why that stuff is banned.

If you can't actually with fair clauses (Clauses has nothing to do with the Pokemon themselves)

Then you're the one that needs to "git gud"

I bet you hate Sleep Clause too.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:31:23 No.17395121 Report

Quoted By: >>17396201

>Double Team
>not using Technician Scyther with Aerial Ace to wipe the floor with them

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:33:02 No.17395159 Report

Quoted By: >>17395206 >>17395207 >>17395215 >>17396099

Since we're gonna have a shitty discussion anyway, might as well jump in. Let's talk about "lol banning Xerneas from Ubers"

You've got 10 seconds to stop a Power Herb Xerneas that has Geomancy, Focus Blast, Moonblast and Earth Power (I know it doesn't get it yet, but let's assume it does) with anything other than a 252/252Sp.Def+ Bronzong with Light Screen or Scizor. Go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:33:45 No.17395174 Report

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>not using simple double team bibarel

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:35:00 No.17395206 Report

Quoted By: >>17395256

>>17395159
Sableye, trick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:35:06 No.17395207 Report

Quoted By: >>17395256

>>17395159
roar

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:35:33 No.17395215 Report

Quoted By: >>17395297

>>17395159
Shedinja

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:35:51 No.17395228 Report

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>>17395026
Thanks to your input, it got dumber.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/xybattlespotsingles-77994390

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:37:06 No.17395256 Report

Quoted By: >>17395384

>>17395207
only if sturdy/sashed
>>17395206
ok, now do it without losing at least one pokémon

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:39:12 No.17395297 Report

Quoted By: >>17395499

>>17395215
Shedinja truly is the bomb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:40:52 No.17395338 Report

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>>17394587
just play wifi queer

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:43:25 No.17395384 Report

Quoted By: >>17395414 >>17395472 >>17395495

>>17395256
First turn: Priority trick, you get lagging tail.
You still chose Geobullshit, so now you have to wait the next turn

Second turn: Switch into Mega Gengar or Chandelure which have Shadow tag, and can take a bullshit moonblast and don't give a fuck about focus blast

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:44:48 No.17395414 Report

Quoted By: >>17395477

>>17395384
Ch-chandelure doesn't have Shadow Tag as a hidden ability anymore, anon...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:47:56 No.17395472 Report

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>>17395384
Thing is, Xerneas doesn't set up in front of something that can stop it. You're almost always switching into a boosted one. Nobody is retarded to try to do get the geomancy boost in front of something like Jirachi or Sableye.

3668-8703-2650 Gustavo

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3668-8703-2650 Gustavo Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:48:16 No.17395477 Report

Quoted By: >>17395511 >>17395521

>>17395414
....really?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:49:18 No.17395495 Report

Quoted By:

>>17395384
>Chandelure
>Shadow Tag

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:49:28 No.17395499 Report

Quoted By: >>17395785

>>17395297
>tfw incognito igneous

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:50:06 No.17395511 Report

Quoted By: >>17395546

>>17395477
yeah, it's not infiltrator

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:50:37 No.17395521 Report

Quoted By: >>17395659 >>17396223

>>17395477
Yep.
still, infiltrator isn't too terrible, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:51:50 No.17395546 Report

Quoted By: >>17395632

>>17395511
Hold up, what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:55:12 No.17395632 Report

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>>17395546
>In Generation V games, Litwick, Lampent, and Chandelure have Shadow Tag as their Hidden Ability, but they cannot be obtained by any legitimate means. Their Hidden Ability is replaced with Infiltrator in Generation VI.

3668-8703-2650 Gustavo

3668-8703-2650 Gustavo Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:56:08 No.17395659 Report

Quoted By: >>17395684 >>17396223

>>17395521
Yes it is. it's like comparing reese's puffs to special K
What happens if I transfer a Chandelure with ST?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 00:57:06 No.17395684 Report

Quoted By: >>17395765 >>17395896

>2014
>still thinking evasion is balanced

>>17395659
It was never released, so presumably Bank would reject it as illegal
>implying hack checks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 01:00:25 No.17395765 Report

Quoted By: >>17395835

>>17395684
>yfw keen eye sableye with WoW

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 01:01:15 No.17395785 Report

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>>17395499
i guess you could immediately switch when you see xerneas to something with Defog/Rapid Spin so Shedinja won't die

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 01:03:58 No.17395835 Report

Quoted By: >>17395918 >>17395932

>>17395765
>using Keen Eye on Sableye

If you have to run something this retarded just to handle one threat, there's clearly a problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 01:06:33 No.17395896 Report

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>>17395684
Whirlwind ignores accuracy checks now.

3668-8703-2650 Gustavo

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3668-8703-2650 Gustavo Thu 16 Jan 2014 01:07:14 No.17395918 Report

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>>17395835
what if the problem is that i'm unlucky

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 01:07:43 No.17395932 Report

Quoted By: >>17395980

>>17395835
If evasion is allowed, keen eye absolutely fucks them backwards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 01:09:49 No.17395980 Report

Quoted By: >>17396090

>>17395932
If by "fucks them backwards" you mean "wasted a teamslot on something horribly useless that can only land one WoW and then die", sure. Sableye needs Prankster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 01:14:02 No.17396090 Report

Quoted By: >>17396191

>>17395980
But then it can't hit evasion users :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 01:14:28 No.17396099 Report

Quoted By: >>17396507

>>17395159
Because ubers is a banlist first, metagame second. Xerneas is nowhere as bad as moody. Also, ho-oh and lugia.

Did no one play PO DW when BW first came out? You had retarded shit like ST chandy, litwick, lampent, all spamming memento then something like dugtrio switching in then maxing evade+attack before sweeping.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 01:17:55 No.17396191 Report

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>>17396090
Like I said, wasted a teamslot, since it won't hit anything else ever. And it doesn't even kill evasion users, just WoWs them. And hell, WoW still has only 60% base accuracy. If it doesn't hit first try Sableye is dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 01:18:24 No.17396201 Report

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>>17395121
Wow, one pokemon. I'm sure that'll do a great job at countering every single pokemon in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 01:19:19 No.17396223 Report

Quoted By: >>17396252 >>17396270

>>17395659
>>17395521

>Generation VI

>Infiltrator now allows Pokémon to bypass Substitute.

GameFreak really wants to nerf Subs this gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 01:20:21 No.17396252 Report

Quoted By:

>>17396223
You forgot Sound moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 01:21:14 No.17396270 Report

Quoted By:

>>17396223
honestly it should have done that to begin with. I like the change, subs are hella annoying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 01:30:59 No.17396507 Report

Quoted By:

>>17396099
>Because ubers is a banlist first, metagame second.
I know that, hence why I mocked the idea in the first post.

Also lugia/ho-oh only handle it without SR, and Xerneas isn't partying unless multiscale/sturdy/sashes are broken.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2014 01:37:16 No.17396670 Report

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>>17394634
Here ya go

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