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Battle Maison

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 14:40:44 No.17510992 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>17511135 >>17511143 >>17511195 >>17511196 >>17511290 >>17511660 >>17513027 >>17514618 >>17514782

This just happened to me
M55W-WWWW-WWW4-P4TZ

For people who still think the Maison isn't bullshit just try to calculate the probability of this happening. Fuck this shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 14:47:45 No.17511042 Report

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bump

4897-6055-3493 (Floette, Spritzee, Snubble)

4897-6055-3493 (Floette, Spritzee, Snubble) Mon 20 Jan 2014 14:53:04 No.17511135 Report

Quoted By: >>17511175 >>17511224

>>17510992
I don't understand what this is, and I want to know. So bump for OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 14:53:39 No.17511143 Report

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>>17510992

> Her again

Yeah, 0.032% of that working.

Maison would have been better if the AI doesn't pull a cheat out of nowhere.

As for me...
> Opposing pokemon is frozen
> The ice has thawed!

Everytime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 14:55:29 No.17511161 Report

Quoted By: >>17511175 >>17511224

I don't have the Symbols to Battle Translator. What happened?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 14:57:16 No.17511175 Report

Quoted By: >>17511203

>>17511135
>>17511161

A Dewgong attacked first with the help of Quick Claw for 5 times in a row. Which only procs 20%.

Apparently Maison AI has increased modifier for proc rate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:00:11 No.17511195 Report

Quoted By: >>17511205

>>17510992
How do I watch this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:00:29 No.17511196 Report

Quoted By: >>17511259

>>17510992
That was a Seismitoad with Rain Dance/Earth Power/Muddy Water/Sludge Bomb. You could've used Dragon Dance more, but it probably wouldn't have helped though.
>The opposing Dewgong's Quick Claw let it move first!
It's the only way the battle maison can win.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:01:06 No.17511203 Report

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>>17511175
That shit have happened to me tons of times. Quick Claw is fucking OP in the Battle Maison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:01:30 No.17511205 Report

Quoted By: >>17511238 >>17511620

>>17511195

> Beat the game
> Get online
> Go to Key Item list and use VS Recorder
> Choose to search replay
> Type the code
> Watch

Not sure if you can save it though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:03:46 No.17511224 Report

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>>17511135
>>17511161
It's a code that you're supposed to put on the VS recorder to watch battle videos.
Go online in the PSS and go to your VS Recorder and put the code so you can see it.

I had Dragonite with 1 DD up when the Beauty sent out Dewgong, her 2nd pokémon. Multiscale was already broken so I switched to Gengar while her Quick Claw activated and it used Ice Beam, leaving Gengar with half his health. I digivolved to use Thunderbolt but Dewgong attacked first AGAIN and KOd gengar.
I sent out Porygon-Z and Nasty Plotted. Surprise surprise, Quick Claw activated and attacked first. Z tanked it, but when it was about to Tri Attack Dewgong's shit got KOd thanks to Quick Claw.
When I sent Dragonite out and chose Dragon Claw you can pretty much guess what happened. Quick Claw activated and Ice Beam KOd me.

FIVE FUCKING TURNS OF A 20% CHANCE.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:04:53 No.17511238 Report

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>>17511205
Oh, thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:05:40 No.17511248 Report

Quoted By: >>17511306 >>17511527

You have yet to experience the maison's true terror. Quick Claw Walrein, aka destroyer of worlds. His QC will proc every time and he will hit you with Sheer Cold even with Sand Veil and Bright Powder. I wish I had saved it, but I was so mad that I couldn't bring myself to care.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:06:41 No.17511259 Report

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>>17511196
Well I didn't know what Seismitoad was running and I feared it had Ice Beam/Blizzard like a Whiscash I faced earlier, so I tried to KO it. Anyway, stabbed Ice Beam would've KOd me anyway and I didn't know Dewgong was up next, so it was unavoidable.
If Gengar or Z had survived that I could've won. Fucking shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:09:12 No.17511290 Report

Quoted By: >>17511298

>>17510992
How many battles in were you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:10:05 No.17511298 Report

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>>17511290
30 I think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:10:46 No.17511306 Report

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>>17511248

Will Aggron be good against it in that case?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:11:16 No.17511314 Report

Quoted By: >>17511516

What is confirmation bias?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:30:39 No.17511516 Report

Quoted By: >>17511579

>>17511314
What is google?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:32:09 No.17511527 Report

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>>17511248
Everytime i face i Walrein i fear it'll be that one

Also the last time i got sweeped by a Blissey
Bitch froze my mega-mom to death and then a scarfed Garchomp finished the rest of my team

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:32:28 No.17511531 Report

Quoted By: >>17511623 >>17511630

>fight at least 250 times to get three trophies, most certainly more than that
>rare occurrence happens
>THE MAISON IS CHEATING ECAUSE IT IS!
>i-it counterpicks guys, I swear! t-this is certainly not because teams were generated randomly many times and I happened to land on one that destroys mine

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:35:26 No.17511579 Report

Quoted By: >>17511598 >>17511630 >>17511707

>>17511516

I can't tell if you're saying that there's reproducible evidence of the Maison cheating easily locatable with Google, which I don't think there is, or just completely missing the point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:36:26 No.17511598 Report

Quoted By: >>17511629

>>17511579
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0WSB6TFQ9o

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:38:13 No.17511620 Report

Quoted By: >>17511689

>>17511205
>beat the game
Why do I have to beat the game just to watch a stupid video?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:38:20 No.17511623 Report

Quoted By: >>17511664 >>17511687

>>17511531

> 0.032% to proc Quick Claw five times in a row.
> Not cheating
> There's also scenario where AI blows with perma flinch

Do you even math? Unless you can score 5 Quick Claw proc in a battle, it's the AI cheating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:38:28 No.17511629 Report

Quoted By: >>17511688 >>17511707

>>17511598

Oh, so it was option C, "completely failing to understand what confirmation bias is".

Did you also make videos every time an opponent could have destroyed you with hax, but didn't?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:38:30 No.17511630 Report

Quoted By: >>17512965

>>17511531
>>17511579

Everyone knows that teams are generated randomly in the Maison smartass. We're complaining that stuff like this that is kinda impossible to see happening in competition happens precisely when you're about to get to something and it's annoying as fuck.
Being defeated by some mistake you made - annoying, but acceptable.
Being defeated by super simulator luck - annoying and stupid.

>bb-buttt stop saying it's rigged guise you hav no pruf"!!! evn if ur not sayngg it stop!!!
Shut up and learn to read.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:41:09 No.17511660 Report

Quoted By: >>17511687

>>17510992
They're also like to cast Yawn if you switch out... unless you let your poke fall asleep. That's because AI move calculates after your move :(

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:41:23 No.17511664 Report

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>>17511623

And how many Battle Maison battles do you think take place every day? That a 0.032% chance will happen to multiple people every day is all but guaranteed.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Improbable_things_happen

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:43:20 No.17511687 Report

Quoted By: >>17511765 >>17511783

>>17511623
If you complain about 0.032% chance being cheating I guess getting a shiny is cheating. Getting a competitive pokemon in gen V and before must also be cheating.

>>17511660
No, they just spam yawn because it's the best possible move in their routine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:43:25 No.17511688 Report

Quoted By: >>17511712 >>17511715

>>17511629
Can you reproduce what the maison just did?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:43:25 No.17511689 Report

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>>17511620
A better question is why haven't you beaten the game within 3 months

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:45:31 No.17511707 Report

Quoted By: >>17511730

>>17511629
>>17511579
I'm not the guy who posted the video, I'm the one who you replied to. I never said this was proof the AI is rigged, I said it was fucking bullshit.
"what is google" is a way of telling you you're stupid by thinking that you know something others don't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:45:53 No.17511712 Report

Quoted By: >>17511750

>>17511688
If he tried enough times he certainly will get a 5x quick claw in a row. Hell, if it's possible than if somebody tries enough times they will get a 6x Quick Claw Sheer Cold in a row. I don't think anybody will waste their time in this, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:46:01 No.17511715 Report

Quoted By: >>17511750 >>17511754

>>17511688

Fight many, many battles where I fail to get hax and win, then get a single battle where I do? Yes.

I just went to random.org and generated a number between one and a million. 983262. HOLY SHIT THE CHANCES AGAINST THAT ARE 1:1000000 RANDOM.ORG IS RIGGED

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:47:40 No.17511730 Report

Quoted By: >>17511789 >>17511804

>>17511707

It's bullshit that sometimes your opponents get lucky?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:49:18 No.17511750 Report

Quoted By: >>17511807 >>17511836

>>17511712
I've yet to see a OHKO move miss in Maison and I've won 300 in a row.

>>17511715
Now go and get the same number 5 times in a row, smartass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:49:37 No.17511754 Report

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>>17511715
>hehehe THERE'S A CHANCE OF HAPPENING SO IT'S NOT RIGGED!
So if everytime you leave your house you get hit by a falling piano you'll just say you have bad luck?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:50:37 No.17511765 Report

Quoted By: >>17511807

>>17511687

If I could use those rate where I got perma-screwed (flinch by non-serene grace Pokemon/confuse-punching self for turns/frozen or asleep for 3-5 turns) to breed Shiny, I could have been a box of competititve shinies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:50:56 No.17511771 Report

Quoted By: >>17511827 >>17512685

Well if we're having this thread already, what's a good team for the battle maison?

I want to get good BP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:52:19 No.17511783 Report

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>>17511687
But they stop to use Yawn EXACTLY ON TURN where you stop switching out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:52:44 No.17511789 Report

Quoted By: >>17511800 >>17511836

>>17511730
Of course it is. It's like all odds are against you.
Imagine going into a match and all the moves your opponent hit are crits, so he 6-0s you. Do you leave the match saying "Good game, I just had bad luck" or do you leave angry?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:54:04 No.17511800 Report

Quoted By: >>17511805

>>17511789
>"Good game, I just had bad luck"

I do that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:54:32 No.17511804 Report

Quoted By: >>17511819 >>17511836

>>17511730

It's not really the AI getting lucky here. More like rolling with 2 dices, and you're stuck with one dice.

> inb4 "non of dis is pruven!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:54:37 No.17511805 Report

Quoted By: >>17511846

>>17511800
Of course, everyone believes that buddy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:54:40 No.17511807 Report

Quoted By: >>17511839 >>17511945

>>17511750
That means you are a pretty lucky person, congratulations on seeing such a rare occurrence. I've seen them miss plenty of times in all these years of Battle Towers, Frontiers, Subway and Maison.

>>17511765
Yeah sure. Please remember the highest shiny rate chance (masuda method with shiny charm) is 0.00097...%. Way lower than the "claw hax" this thread is complaining about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:56:05 No.17511819 Report

Quoted By: >>17511917

>>17511804
No man, it's more like you roll your loaded dice 300 times and complain you lose one match.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:56:40 No.17511827 Report

Quoted By: >>17511851 >>17512896

>>17511771
The team I used to get 300 wins:

Rotom-Wash @ Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 232 HP / 56 SAtk / 220 Spd
Modest Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Volt Switch
- Will-O-Wisp
- Trick

Scizor @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn
- Brick Break
- Thief

Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Iron Head

Open with Rotom. Trick slower physical, Wisp Faster physical, switch if grass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:57:07 No.17511830 Report

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I remember the subway last gen, when I lead with Zoroark disguised as Gengar and the AI never tried to hit me with Ghost, Psychic or Dark type moves, but instead used Signal Beam, Focus Blast, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:57:27 No.17511836 Report

Quoted By: >>17511917 >>17511926 >>17511945

>>17511750

But the chance of getting that number is already less than your Quick Claw scenario.

Again: hundreds of thousands of Maison battles are fought daily. It's a practical guarantee that highly improbable events will happen in some of those battles. People simply don't make threads and videos about the ones where nothing unexpected happens.

>>17511789

Whether or not you're angry is immaterial. If a large number of battles are fought, some of those battles are going to have 100% crits for one player. Be mad if you want, but "I just had bad luck" is still all that happened.

>>17511804

Again: improbable things happen, and if you repeat your trial many times, improbably things are pretty much guaranteed to eventually happen.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:57:37 No.17511839 Report

Quoted By: >>17511847 >>17511861

>>17511807

> Without Shiny Charm
> 1/1638
> 0.061%

Back to school for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:58:26 No.17511846 Report

Quoted By: >>17511926

>>17511805
I only got angry once -- against a japanese guy that kept spamming OHKO moves against me, and they all hit. It was bad luck indeed, but I also didn't respect his "strategy." If I faced someone with a "normal" team that kept getting crits on me, I'd be fine with that. It's part of the game.

It's just that the mix of that awful strategy and luck got to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:58:27 No.17511847 Report

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>>17511839
Maybe we forgot to multiply by 100.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:58:50 No.17511851 Report

Quoted By: >>17511945

>>17511827
Good luck with that, pretty much every mon you face after 50+ wins will be a grass type. That's what happened when I lead with MB Espeon and all the Dark types happened to be lead, specially Skuntank.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 15:59:37 No.17511861 Report

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>>17511839
Ignore that % sign.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:02:00 No.17511880 Report

Quoted By: >>17511911

I've seen a rumor of people battling against shinies in the Maison. Anyone found one? It's not that farfetched since GF makes opponents with shinies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:03:20 No.17511892 Report

Quoted By:

The Maison doesn't cheat, but it's still set up "unfairly" in a way designed to create situations like this, simply because the player has to win 50+ matches in a row, while the AI only has to win one.

What we need is a good Pokemon-playing learning algorithm so we can finally replace this kind of "fake" difficulty with simply having good, human-like AI.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:04:50 No.17511911 Report

Quoted By: >>17511935

>>17511880
i remeber the shiny espeon in emerlad i think

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:05:34 No.17511917 Report

Quoted By: >>17512015

>>17511819
>>17511836

I have a record where I won 10 times in a row against an AI in RPS, so of course I believe in niche "probability". Though I still believe there is increased modifier going on for the AI. Adding just 10% changes a lot of things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:06:07 No.17511926 Report

Quoted By: >>17511944 >>17512015

>>17511836
>"I just had bad luck" is still all that happened.
So fucking what? I still get mad since everything was against me. Can't I open a thread about it without some smartass giving me a lesson about how probability works? I already know that shit idiot, I already went through college.
Why don't you gather your knowledge and go teach some students for money instead of trying to teach a father how to have children?

>>17511846
Everything is part of the game dummy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:07:00 No.17511935 Report

Quoted By: >>17513082

>>17511911

FR/LG actually

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:07:56 No.17511944 Report

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>>17511926
I know it's also a part of the game, I was just saying it's the only time I got annoyed by it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:08:03 No.17511945 Report

Quoted By: >>17512015 >>17512352

>>17511807
>That means you are a pretty lucky person

Considering I've met with 70 more or less OHKO users in my 300 win streak, and they all hit their OHKO first try before dying, how lucky am I?

>>17511836
>But the chance of getting that number is already less than your Quick Claw scenario.

Of course it is, the numbers aren't even comparable. The main problem with the Maison getting 5 procs in a row is that it its very common for them to get those, while for us, it's very, very rare. Trust me, I tried to. I went to Showdown with a friend in a custom game and we tried for 10 hours to reproduce the quick claw ohko bullshit. Needless to say, It didn't work. But for the maison, whenever you face a Walrein, you're going to get one mon OHKO'd.

>>17511851
I just switch to Scizor if I'm slower or Volt Switch if I'm faster. Then I murder it with U-Turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:12:24 No.17512015 Report

Quoted By: >>17512038 >>17512104 >>17512134 >>17512138

>>17511917
You do know that we have the code for the previous generations cracked open and can't find any such "modifier", right?

>>17511926
>Can't I open a thread about it without some smartass giving me a lesson about how probability works?

Not when the OP says
>For people who still think the Maison isn't bullshit just try to calculate the probability of this happening
, no. And getting mad because a game of chance went against you is childish.

>>17511945

Then by all means, collect some actual data and do a hypothesis test. Anecdotal experiences mean very little. People reported exactly the same shit in previous generations, and yet nobody can find any special AI edge in their code.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:13:45 No.17512038 Report

Quoted By: >>17512053 >>17512875

>>17512015
It's been proven that the game cheats in Emerald, making enemies way more likely to have Pokémon that counter yours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:15:03 No.17512053 Report

Quoted By: >>17512068 >>17512875

>>17512038

Which has nothing to do with in-battle probabilities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:16:11 No.17512068 Report

Quoted By: >>17512099 >>17512875

>>17512053
Nope, I agree with you on that one, I'm reasonably sure in-battle mechanics are unaltered. I just meant to point out that the facilities don't have a history of playing entirely fair.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:18:31 No.17512099 Report

Quoted By: >>17512155

>>17512068

It seems about as fair as making a team specially designed to beat a Chateline's team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:19:10 No.17512104 Report

Quoted By: >>17512117 >>17512150

>>17512015
>Then by all means, collect some actual data and do a hypothesis test.

Why? To prove something I already know? Everytime I face a Walrein in Maison I change to worst pokemon I have in hand because it will die. And It always does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:20:06 No.17512117 Report

Quoted By: >>17512129

>>17512104
>It happened to me a few times so it's true

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:20:52 No.17512129 Report

Quoted By: >>17512168

>>17512117
>few times
>every time there's a walrein, he hits me with a OHKO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:21:26 No.17512134 Report

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>>17512015
>getting mad because a game of chance went against you is childish
Playing pokémon is childish, now what?
Deal with it, nerd.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:21:34 No.17512138 Report

Quoted By: >>17512186 >>17512218

>>17512015

> Previous generations
> This gen will be simlar! R-right, guys?

I'll admit, I don't own games from Gen 2 to Gen 5 to know if they are cheating or not.

But I'll be glad if you can explain why that Espeon is yawning for turns while I keep switching in, with one of them a Fighting Pokemon which it can easily SE with?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:22:00 No.17512150 Report

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>>17512104

It would certainly have been a more productive use for those ten hours on showdown.

You can believe whatever you like based upon whatever anecdotal, personal experiences you like, but if you want other people to share your beliefs, having actual evidence for them is a great help.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:22:28 No.17512155 Report

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>>17512099
Good luck losing until you reach it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:23:11 No.17512168 Report

Quoted By: >>17512202 >>17512265

>>17512129
>it happened to me on multiple occasions so it's true
There's a guy who got hit by lightning 10 times, that doesn't mean lightning was unfairly attracted to him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:24:16 No.17512186 Report

Quoted By: >>17512320

>>17512138
It's a hipothesis. If you want to give your argument some help you'd be better trying to find some evidence instead of babbling nonsense such as "but that doesn't prove anything!!!".

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:25:19 No.17512202 Report

Quoted By: >>17512234 >>17512238

>>17512168
Next post you'll be saying "it happens to me everytime so it's true".
Quit the shitposting, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:26:09 No.17512218 Report

Quoted By: >>17512254

>>17512138

Is there some stipulation that the AI has to always assume that you're not going to switch and can never predonkle you?

That said, GF seem terrible at writing moderately complex code like that, so they probably did just say "some of the time, they get to re-pick based upon what they player does", because that takes much less effort.
Nothing to do with move probabilities, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:26:56 No.17512234 Report

Quoted By: >>17512295

>>17512202
I'm not shitposting, I'm just saying that you could simply be having bad luck. I don't know how many Walrein you faced, but even if you faced a hundred of them it wouldn't be solid proof, and also I would have to call bullshit

I do think the Maison cheats, by giving enemy teams an advantage over you, or by having the AI choose moves after seeing what you're doing, but I don't think there's any changes in probability or stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:27:46 No.17512238 Report

Quoted By: >>17512295

>>17512202

Understanding how hypothesis testing works is shitposting?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:28:28 No.17512254 Report

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>>17512218

Not when it does the same thing until it runs out of PP to use it. You're going to tell me that it will only use an attack move when I refuse to switch out? I have the rep saved to reproduce the same thing.

Switch-out Pokemon: Yawning the next one
Keep Pokemon: No more Yawn

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:28:58 No.17512265 Report

Quoted By: >>17512300 >>17512313

>>17512168
So, it's false until it's proven it is true?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:30:47 No.17512295 Report

Quoted By: >>17512313 >>17512344

>>17512234
Well it just happens that actually the AI doesn't cheat at all! All the specially made teams that counter you perfectly are in fact RANDOMLY GENERATED!

>>17512238
>i'm not shitposting I sware!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:31:13 No.17512300 Report

Quoted By: >>17512314

>>17512265

...Yes? You only reject the null hypothesis when you have sufficient evidence for the alternative.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:31:49 No.17512309 Report

Quoted By:

How do I view these?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:32:25 No.17512313 Report

Quoted By:

>>17512265
Theories can never be proven true, only false, that's how theories work.

>>17512295
>Well it just happens that actually the AI doesn't cheat at all!
I suspect that they cheat in team generation based on the fact that they did so in Emerald, as was proven from looking at the game's code. But hey, I might be wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:32:31 No.17512314 Report

Quoted By: >>17512331 >>17512344

>>17512300
I have sufficient evidence for the maison always hitting OHKO moves when it can use them. Not that you would care, because that would prove you're wrong, but keep at it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:32:58 No.17512320 Report

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>>17512186

>hipothesis

So be it. Then I'll call mine about "AI having better proc modifier" a hippotamus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:33:34 No.17512331 Report

Quoted By: >>17512352

>>17512314
How much proof do you have? Other than "I've faced a Walrein and it KO'd me" you haven't actually given any numbers.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:33:49 No.17512335 Report

Quoted By:

>battle the maison several times
>everytime that you get put against a quick claw user it activates and murders you
>everytime you get placed against a 1HKO user it kills you
>everytime you get to high levels all teams counter you perfectly

>it's not rigged you can't prove it for sure!

Some people would be better with their mouth fucking shut.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:34:17 No.17512344 Report

Quoted By: >>17512395

>>17512295

>All the specially made teams that counter you perfectly are in fact RANDOMLY GENERATED!

This just in: catching a Mankey to fight Brock with is cheating!

Again, this has nothing to do with in-battle probabilities, which is what this thread is about.

>>17512314

You do? Could you link me to your data? Any filehost is fine, or just put it on a Google Drive. What p-value did you get when you did the hypothesis test?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:34:40 No.17512352 Report

Quoted By: >>17512370 >>17512428

>>17512331
read >>17511945
>Considering I've met with 70 more or less OHKO users in my 300 win streak, and they all hit their OHKO first try before dying, how lucky am I?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:35:42 No.17512370 Report

Quoted By: >>17512386

>>17512352

If there's one thing that makes data extra reliable, it's the phrase "more or less".

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:36:30 No.17512386 Report

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>>17512370
Yeah, the number of walreins I faced totally change the fact that they all hit me with OHKO moves first try.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:37:25 No.17512395 Report

Quoted By: >>17512446

>>17512344
Try to get this, retard - when you battle Brock you know what he's using, so you have the advantage of getting something that beats him.
In the Maison, the AI isn't supposed to know what move you're using or the pokémon you have since that would be giving an unfair advantage over you (because, hold on to your seats, you don't know what they're using).

In fact, if the AI actually uses your options to beat you it is cheating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:37:28 No.17512400 Report

Quoted By:

Most autistic thread I've seen today. Congrats /vp/.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:39:19 No.17512428 Report

Quoted By: >>17512466

>>17512352
That'd make it pretty likely there's some shenanigans going on, if your data's accurate. I find it hard to believe that you didn't see a single miss, but I guess we'll have to wait and see until they figure out a way to look into the code.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:40:21 No.17512446 Report

Quoted By: >>17512498

>>17512395

>(because, hold on to your seats, you don't know what they're using).

You know what the bosses are using, and will therefore design a team capable of beating them. If the player is a top threat in the competition, then it makes perfect sense that the AI would do the same thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:41:24 No.17512466 Report

Quoted By: >>17517813

>>17512428
I gave up believing when a Walrein hit my Garchomp with sand veil holding a bright powder in sandstorm with sheer cold.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:44:33 No.17512496 Report

Quoted By:

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:44:42 No.17512498 Report

Quoted By: >>17512573

>>17512446
No it doesn't, don't even try to state this. The game is supposed to be fair, meaning your team is battled by other teams with the same level of power.
Do you think the battle analyzer thing was OK? Knowing what your opponent was doing to adjust your move to theirs? Of course not, because in battle what's supposed to be between you and victory is a clash of strategy and some luck.

Also, try to make a perfect team to counter the boss and see yourself losing mid way through the streak.
The bosses are not the top challenge, getting there is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:47:54 No.17512573 Report

Quoted By: >>17512601

>>17512498

In what universe does it not make sense that other competitors would not notice one guy who keeps winning and decide that building a team that can beat him might be a good idea?

But once again: absolutely nothing to do with the thread's topic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:49:34 No.17512601 Report

Quoted By: >>17512704 >>17512757

>>17512573
I love to see the backpedalling going here. First there's no way of knowing if the maison is cheating, now if they are, it's fair.

Pull your head out of your ass and stop regurgitating bullshit, dumbass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:53:55 No.17512685 Report

Quoted By: >>17515436 >>17516961

>>17511771
inb4 reddit
http://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/1ptvov/guide_how_to_get_long_streaks_at_the_battle_maison/

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:55:14 No.17512704 Report

Quoted By: >>17512729 >>17512757

>>17512601

It has been proven multiple times that the maison pokemon sometimes have stats higher than they legally should be able to have. I have seen a few times a pokemon getting outsped when it would be physically impossible even including items,nature IVs and EVs

it flat out cheats

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:56:38 No.17512729 Report

Quoted By: >>17512805

>>17512704
>It has been proven multiple times that the maison pokemon sometimes have stats higher than they legally should be able to have.
Show me this proof.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:56:48 No.17512734 Report

Quoted By: >>17512910

> Theorists : "Hur dur, do you know how many Battle Maisons are ran within a day? Of course something like that will happen. Because probability!"

Confirmed haven't gone through the maison often. How about playing through it and tell me how many times you get perma-confused/yawned/OHKO/flinched? Like, gee, must be probability going against you when that happens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:57:42 No.17512757 Report

Quoted By: >>17512831

>>17512601

Again: whether or not the Maison counter-picks is irrelevant to whether or not it manipulates probabilities, and there's as yet no evidence to suggest that either of those are anything more than confirmation bias. Counterpicking would be less unreasonable than direct probability manipulation, however, since the player is free to do the same thing for Chatelines if they want to.

>>17512704

Then give me a replay. Every time I've seen one of these WHAT THE FUCK NO WAY IT COULD OUTSPEED threads, it always turns out that when people actually do the calculation, yes way, a max speed scarfed one does outspeed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 16:59:42 No.17512805 Report

Quoted By: >>17512825 >>17512910

>>17512729

Why would I save every instance this has happened, its so common and widely accepted it doesn't really occur to me to save such a small thing to one of the very few deniers. I don't understand why the denial is so strong.

I have seen extremely slow pokemon outspeed extremely fast pokemon faster the user confirmed it has the right IVs, EVs and nature and choice scarf was outruled. It cheats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 17:00:48 No.17512825 Report

Quoted By: >>17512848

>>17512805
I've seen people start threads about it, and it always ends up being a speed tie due to scarf or something stupid like that. I'm not denying anything, I'd just like to see actual proof.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 17:01:14 No.17512831 Report

Quoted By: >>17513014

>>17512757
>Counterpicking would be less unreasonable than direct probability manipulation, however, since the player is free to do the same thing for Chatelines if they want to.
No it fucking isn't. It's cheating, don't try to say it's more fair than some other method of cheating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 17:01:53 No.17512848 Report

Quoted By: >>17512858

>>17512825

I have seen the Sheer cold Walrein outspeed a correctly trained Gengar when choice scarf was outruled. Sadly that is all I can give, my word isn't enough though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 17:02:33 No.17512858 Report

Quoted By: >>17512905

>>17512848
Interesting. Why was Choice Scarf outruled?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 17:03:28 No.17512875 Report

Quoted By: >>17512910

>>17512038
>>17512053
>>17512068
Actually, it cheats, for real.

There's a special shuckle with 600+ EVs on def.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 17:04:19 No.17512896 Report

Quoted By: >>17512921 >>17512954 >>17513041

>>17511827
why thief and not knock off on scizor?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 17:05:01 No.17512905 Report

Quoted By:

>>17512858

It used a different move before sheer cold

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 17:05:10 No.17512910 Report

Quoted By:

>>17512734

Keyword: "often".

If you do something often, improbable things will happen, especially when "going through" it involves battles against hundreds of Pokemon, any one of which is a potential opportunity for hax.

>>17512805
Ah, yes, the argument from Everyone Knows I'm Right. A classic.

>>17512875
Very interesting. I'm sure you simply forget to paste the link in that post, so I'm eagerly awaiting it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 17:05:43 No.17512921 Report

Quoted By: >>17512940

>>17512896

> 65 BP
> No boost from Technician

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 17:06:44 No.17512940 Report

Quoted By:

>>17512921
1,5x boost if it has item. plus, knocks out shit like quick claw/focus band

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 17:07:24 No.17512954 Report

Quoted By: >>17513045

>>17512896
Does scizor learns it by level up? Is it an egg move?

Citrus 1220-7186-8797

Citrus 1220-7186-8797 Mon 20 Jan 2014 17:08:13 No.17512965 Report

Quoted By:

>>17511630
>generated randomly
Actually, they're not. I was trying to cheese the mansion with a round/pixilate team, so it was primarily normal and fairy types and attacks. Every single team I played against, for 20+ matches, had at least two steel types on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 17:11:03 No.17513014 Report

Quoted By:

>>17512831

Why is it cheating? The rules for what in-battle probabilities are have been clearly defined, but picking Pokemon based upon the player's team is hardly any worse than the need for the player to win 50 battles but the AI only needing to win once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 17:12:10 No.17513027 Report

Quoted By:

>>17510992
Truant Durant this shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 17:12:57 No.17513041 Report

Quoted By: >>17513068

>>17512896
WHY MUST YOU REMIND ME THAT BANK IS NEVER COMING.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 17:13:01 No.17513045 Report

Quoted By:

>>17512954
fuck, I use knock off on showdown
serebii says its a transfer only move so... preasu understandu

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 17:15:40 No.17513068 Report

Quoted By:

>>17513041
I reminded myself too anon...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 17:16:26 No.17513082 Report

Quoted By:

>>17511935
red meowth was in frlg too

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 18:28:38 No.17514518 Report

Quoted By:

Endgame battle facility has to cheat, only way to give a challenge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 18:33:10 No.17514618 Report

Quoted By:

>>17510992
Funny.

I got rekt by a rain dance team too last time i did battle maison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 18:40:28 No.17514782 Report

Quoted By: >>17516924

>>17510992
I just rekt your entire team with an aegislash. Git gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 18:42:57 No.17514851 Report

Quoted By:

What teams do you guys suggest for every battle type there?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 19:09:10 No.17515436 Report

Quoted By: >>17516875

>>17512685
Huh, that's pretty funny. I wonder how the AI will counter that.

Might give it a try eventually.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 20:23:49 No.17516875 Report

Quoted By:

>>17515436
The counters are protect users and exploud (how exploud counters is explained in the comments section). Or it can multihit you or whatever. Still cheesing cheating AI seems to be the lest annoying way (although quite boring and the amount of cheese from the both sides is so high that you can open a cheese factory)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 20:26:01 No.17516924 Report

Quoted By:

>>17514782
>aegislash
>not outsped and 1hkod by porygon-z's dark pulse, or dragonite's EQ, gengar's Shadow Ball, etc
Please don't post if you don't know what you're doing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 20:27:32 No.17516961 Report

Quoted By:

>>17512685
mfw I have all three of those pokemon and never thought about this strategy
it's so obvious too

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jan 2014 21:05:40 No.17517813 Report

Quoted By:

>>17512466
accuracy/evasion modifiers don't effect ohko attack accuracy

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