So apparently, when Yveltal dies, the world ends. Doesent that technically mean that Yveltal should be the god of Pokemon and not Arceus? If not, how does Arceus remedy the problem?
Anonymous
Earth isn't the only planet with pokemon on it, obviously.
Anonymous
>>17566968 Whole Creation =/= world
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>>17566968 Simple. Arceus just keeps an extra world on standby every 30,000 years.
Force respawn
Anonymous
Who says Arceus does? Maybe Arceus made Yveltal
Sean 1048-8469-4474 [Meditite, Sawk, Tyrogue]
Sean 1048-8469-4474 [Meditite, Sawk, Tyrogue] Wed 22 Jan 2014 23:58:44 No. 17567051 Report >>17566968 You'd have to be a real dick to use it in battle then, I suppose.
Oh I lose? No no no. See, if I lose, EVERYONE loses.
Anonymous
Just because it absorbs life energy from everything in the world to be reborn doesn't mean it absorbs all of the life energy.
Anonymous
The entire planet doesn't die, it just sucks the life from the area around it ie. the Kalos region.
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>>17566968 what? Arceus created everything
Yveltal just stops life on the planet
Anonymous
>>17566993 >somewhere out there is a whole planet of deoxys fuck that shit. i already think the regular deoxys is creepy.
Anonymous
>>17566993 This, and This:
>>17567018 Arceus = Entire existence god.
Yveltal = Dark avatar of Earth(planet)
Kyogre = Sea avatar of Earth(planet)
Lugia = Just a Guardian
Mewtwo = Goku
Anonymous
>>17567169 There's also probably a planet full of the clefairy line.
Imagine if the Clefairies were in a giant intergalactic war with the Deoxys
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>17567169 There is also a world with Clefairy and Clefable. As well as the Elgyem line.
Anonymous
>>17566993 how can you say that?
It's like saying that there are other human beings on other planets
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It dying leading to the deaths of others does not make it a god.
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>>17567331 >implying God didn't come from space Anonymous
Lunatone and Solrock both come from space too, don't they?
Anonymous
The legendary pokemon are just powerful mons that primitive people worshipped and whose legends lasted to modern times.>2014 >there are still arceusfreaks
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Straight from the Y Pokedex>When its life comes to an end, it absorbs the life energy of every living thing and turns into a cocoon once more
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>>17567037 >>17567059 >mfw trading it to other games is basically pass the apocalypse hot potato Anonymous
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>implying a god character would die if the world died
Anonymous
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Whats all this god talk about?
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>>17567499 I could see that for a couple of the legendaries. But Palkia and Dialga seem like the real deal.
Anonymous
>It is described in mythology as the Pokémon that shaped the universe with its 1,000 arms.
Anonymous
>>17567499 Arceus makes a universe in HG/SS. Its lore might not be overblown.
Anonymous
>>17567589 I don't see any difference between believing in Zeus or believing in Yahweh
Anonymous
>>17567619 Arceus also creates a new Creation Trio in HG/SS too, which are basically gods
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>17567673 He just creates Dialga, Palkia and Giratina for a HGSS event, which are just powerful mons.
Anonymous
>>17567619 >>17567673 >Arceus creates a new universe >lets a 10-12 year old kid just reach in and snatch out the Universes essence of Time or Space Anonymous
Calm down, have a drink with me.
Anonymous
>>17567673 >Semi-gods. fix.
Anonymous
>>17567732 No they aren't the offspring of a god and a human.
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>>17567704 I'll take 3 cases
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>>17567732 what? That's not a thing. You might be thinking of demi-gods, but that implies a non-deity parent. They're gods, just on a lower level of power.
Anonymous
>>17567696 >just powerful mons The birth of Dialga created the flow of time
How is that not a godly being?
Anonymous
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>17567797 Pearl's Pokedex
>A Pokémon spoken of in legend. It is said that time began moving when Dialga was born. Anonymous
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So, just making it clear, Yvetal is a micro-level Halo?
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>>17567797 >I don't want to believe Dialga is a god despite everything in the games indicating it is, therefore it is not Anonymous
>>17567821 >pokedex good one m8
Obiously Yvetal came to exist when the necessity of death arrived so he might not be bound to the rules of Arceus(god) and may obliterate everything including arceus itself
Anonymous
>>17567747 But they aren't gods. They don't have a "lore".
Its just overpower beasts, son of anothers minor god(Ho-Ho).
This do not imply i dont like them. just aren't gods. Anonymous
>>17567840 It's also in the lore of Sinnoh
Anonymous
>>17567841 Yvetal is the true pokegod
Anonymous
>>17567866 Yeah lore. That's lower than christfag level proof.
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>>17567862 >They don't have a "lore". Did you even play the Sinnoh games?
Anonymous
>>17567897 If it's just christfag level proof then we'res your atheist level proof of it not creating time?
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>>17567870 I think Yveltal is more like Shiva, Jormungandr or whichever deity ends the world in Aztec mythology.
Anonymous
>>17567943 >prove me wrong No. The burden of proof is on you.
>godfags in charge of logic Anonymous
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>>17567943 >your atheist level proof of it not creating time? Anonymous
>>17566968 Nope. Yveltal can not die because he automatically drains life from other Pokemon; not humans. The only reason the earth was in danger was because dumbass Lysandre attached Yveltal to a machine.
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>>17568077 It's like harnessing the power of Godzilla to make a nuke.
Anonymous
>>17567841 >Is just another Pokemon and held down by a type combo >Not being bound by Arceus rules Anonymous
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>>17567499 *tips pokedora*
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
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That's a neat pic OP, thanks. Are there matching ones for Xerneas and Zygarde?
Anonymous
>>17567210 >Mewtwo = Goku Nah. Mewtwo is Freeza (regular Mewtwo), Cell (Mega Mewtwo X) and Buu (Mega Mewtwo Y)
Anonymous
>All you faggots arguing over lore in a game
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Supernatural explained it best as a quote from Death (something along the lines of): Neither God nor I remember who is older. At the end of times, I will outlive God long enough to reap him and then myself.
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>>17568131 >wheredoyouthinkweare.txt Anonymous
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>>17568077 I bet Yveltal CAN die. The trick is to kill it after it has already used its life drain trump card and regressed to cocoon form.
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>>17568129 >Xtwo >Cell >not Janemba John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
>>17567210 Kyogre isn't any kind of avatar, it's a parallel to the Biblical Leviathan. It doesn't have any special powers (except for the sake of being a Pokémon, of course) it's just the most powerful of all creatures of the sea. Same with Groudon (Behemoth) and Rayquaza (Ziz).
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>>17567232 What if it was a Nuzlocke?
Anonymous
Arceus is the god of everything in the Pokemon world. It can create the creators and rules of Time, Space and Anti-Matter at will. Im more than certain it could simply stop Yvetal's effect from ending all life in Kalos, seeing as Xernas and Yvetal were more than likely created by Arceus directly due to the power they wield over other legendary Pokemon.
Anonymous
>>17568210 >has the ability to create and expand oceans >"It doesn't have any special powers" Anonymous
>>17568210 Kyogre made the oceans, Groudon made the land, which Regigigas then pulled around.
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>>17568329 >this is what arceusfags actually believe Anonymous
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>>17568210 What are you talking about Kyogre and Groudon created the Hoenn region due to battling with each other they have the ability to summon a torrential downpour/ intense heatwave that could destroy the ecosystem of Hoenn if left to ravage.
Rayquaza had to be created to keep them in check, Those two Pokemon are unfathomably strong
Anonymous
>all these faggots talking about Arceus when the real strongest Pokemon was made by human-hands
Anonymous
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
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>>17568353 (except for the sake of being a Pokémon)
I probably should have said "powerful Pokémon" I suppose. A large enough group of Politoed could probably do the same thing.
>>17568437 Does it say that they created them? I can't remember. I'm pretty sure that it doesn't, only that they can expand them but to me that's always seemed like a side effect of them fighting (which is also a Biblical parallel) and not their statement of purpose.
Anonymous
I love how the Arceus vs Mewtwo thing is like Christianity vs Atheism.
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>>17568353 Every water pokemon can just generate gallons of water out of nowhere. Kyogre is doing the same thing, only on a mythical scale.
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>>17568551 Except the people working to prove something.
Anonymous
Threadly reminder that Arceus that the player catches is just an aspect of the creator deity that is responsible for the universe.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>17568482 What if humans
also created Arceus, in order to have a new unspoiled utopian universe for them to live in, but they then erased all knowledge of the event. ?
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>>17567037 Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
Anonymous
>>17568617 so arceus is jesus?
Anonymous
>>17568689 Yes.
He fainted for your sins.
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I was under the impression that it just sucks in the life energy of everything around it within a certain radius when it dies. Ergo, not the whole world.
Anonymous
>>17567169 Deoxys is a mutation from a strand of alien DNA that made contact with a laser beam. Its one of a kind
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
>>17568617 I say that every time someone asks "lol y can u catch GOD in a pokeballz". Same with Dialga, Palkia, and Giritina. They're just avatars of the beings they represent, a good enough trainer can catch them because their Pokémon forms play by the Pokémon rules. It's like asking why Jesus had to walk when Daddy could have just teleported him or something.
>>17568706 Loled.
Anonymous
>>17568723 except there were tons of Deoxys from space in that one movie
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>>17567696 >Which are just powerful mons >Who just happen to be able to control space, time and anti-matter What's with /vp/ and all of this fedorashit now?
Suddenly everyone thinks legendaries are just regular pokémon with high bsts
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>>17568706 >>17568689 the true Jesus is Volcarona. Just think about it
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>>17568641 That's actually what happened anon. They'll include it next gen. Believe me, my dad works at Nintendo
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
>>17568723 There's two in the movie. When counting legendaries as One of a kind or not I always put Deoxys in the category of "at least two".
or, as I was typing this post comes up
>>17568747 Was there? I only remember the two on Earth but it's been a while.
Anonymous
>>17568617 Threadly reminder that Arcues is canonically uncatchable because the Hall of Origin can't be legitimately accessed. It only ever ends up in player hands via Nintendo distribution or hacking.
Anonymous
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>>17568723 >DNA originated from a planet somewhere >one strand mutated due to a lazer >billions of strands may be floating in space >natural energies may change the DNA into a different kind of Deoxys >there are billions of different and unique deoxys in the pokemon universe Shinji Ikari pilots Eva 01 Anonymous
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>>17566968 Think of Yveltal as Arceus' clock. Your welcome bitchesss.
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
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>>17568783 >yfw when people who "find" God by illegitimate means end up with an illegitimate god >a false idol >only people who find God through the power of the institution have truly found him >>17568807 The anime is its own canon. So are the games and (debatably) each manga.
Anonymous
>>17567169 Yeah it's called Smogon Persei 8
Anonymous
ITT: Fags who don't know shit about canon
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
>>17568863 Why is there an alien world named after Koffing?
>>17568873 Unless you want to argue for the billionth time that the Pokédex isn't canon (please don't want that. no one wants that) that isn't true and at best is just shitty plot consistency by Game Freak.
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>>17568873 >According to the legends of Sinnoh, this Pokémon emerged from an egg and shaped all there is in this world. Good one shitlord
Anonymous
>>17567057 This is probably the most likely explanation. "it absorbs the life force of all living creatures". It doesn't say it takes ALL their life force, and it doesn't say that it actually kills them.
Anonymous
>>17568482 >implying arceus is use his true power >implying his mega won't have BST of 860 John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
>>17568931 >implying it won't have a base stat of 999 >implying Game Freak won't play into current misunderstandings and give Giratina a Satan mega with 666 Anonymous
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>>17568922 It hurts them anyway.
>>17568931 >Mega Arceus >Ability: Protean Anonymous
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>>17568931 >Implying we won't get a stronger Mega-Mewtwo every gen Anonymous
>>17568918 There isn't, Smogon Persei would be a star
Anonymous
>>17568954 >Give Giratina a mega >Actually make its bst lower Anonymous
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>>17568747 There were two, and a fuckton of shadow clones.
Counting the one from the Ranger special makes 3 at the very least. So as far as the animeverse is concerned, super fucking rare but not unique.
Game canon is anyone's guess.
Anonymous
>>17568747 >>17568782 Why do people still to this day keep using movie canon which isn't even canon to the anime aside a few movies as examples about game canon? They are two separate canons and so far in the games Deoxys has only appear catchable in the game once in FR/LG. Its one of a kind
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>>17567297 >implying pokemon on earth are the only possible pokemon to be on other planets Obviously It would be different pokemon.
Anonymous
>>17568918 The Pokedex just says that that Arceus is said to have done all these things in mythology. It never explicitly states that, yes, Arceus is God.
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>>17567297 It's like you're really comparing pokémon to real life
>>17568101 Did Arceus dictated that water would put out fire? i think he just created shit and physics just happened
Anonymous
>>17568989 You know, that's actually not a awful idea. Think about it.
Arcanine for example has already has a high base stat total. What if a Arcanine mega lowered its base stat total by 30 or so but in doing so it boosted its speed or attack.
Give up 30 in defense and gain 15 Speed and 15 Attack. Something like that
Anonymous
>>17569067 Yes, it's pretty bad.
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>>17569067 Shit I meant 10 Speed and 15 attack, you lose 5 base stat points but become alot more specialized. It could work
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>>17569066 that should be palkia's work because it is the one ho controls the space.
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
>>17569012 I didn't "use" it. I stated a fact. Since there's really no evidence either way about how many there are in the games (it only being catchable once doesn't really say anything) movie canon is the second best thing.
Hajibab 1392-4902-1126 IGN: Sophia
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>>17567297 >Just watched Destiny Deoxys movie >Lines are literally >AFTER ALL WHO SAID WE WERE THE ONLY PLANET WITH POKEMON Anonymous
>>17569129 pokemon in the anime say their name
pokemon in the game do not (except for fucking pikashit, god I hate that pokemon)
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
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>>17569040 Where does it say that he created Sinnoh? Is it one of the things that Cynthia tells you or something?
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>>17566968 No . by the rule of conservation of legendaries, trio legendaries have no power equivalent to god arceus
Anonymous
>>17567698 Think about it, though. That universe that Arceus created now exists without a deity to control Time, Space, or Anti-Matter.
I guess in Giratina's case nothing of value was lost, but in Dialga or Palkia's case, that universe no longer has a deity to control time/space. Time/Space in that universe it now going rampant and flipping the fuck out.
Sucks to suck, I guess.
>reCaptcha: posten senses I don't know whether to be impressed, or worried about that reCaptcha.
Anonymous
>>17569091 >Steelix Mega >Goes from 200 Defense Stat to 120 and 65 Spec Defense to 25 dropping its total by 120 points >Gains 55 points in speed, 20 in HP and 30 in Attack overall loses 15 base stat points but shifts from a defensive juggernaut to a much faster, stronger hitting Pokemon with still amazing defense How is that necessarily bad? Situation calls for a stronger and faster Pokemon so you Mega Steelix to boosts it offensive power for a trade of its defensive power. It adds more strategy to battling
Anonymous
>>17569067 The point of a mega is to become a LOT more powerful. You're limited to one mega per battle for a reason. If you want to make it faster and stronger, just make it faster and stronger without hitting other stats. Unless you want to dip into those stats to make it even more faster and stronger.
If you just want a rearranged Arcanine, an alternate evo for Growlithe is a better idea.
Anonymous
So what's the deal with Zygarde?
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>>17569129 Well we are talking about game canon here, so by game canon Deoxys is one of a kind, you can't catch it but in one game
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
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>>17569157 Then that's different for each canon. If it's stated in one canon and not another, you're free to make your own judgments on the truth, and all I said was that there are two Deoxys in the movie and an unspecified amount in the games.
>>17569189 >>17568735 Anonymous
>>17567466 I think Staryu/Starmie are, too. Starmie send signals into space at night or something.
Beldum line might be aliens, too. Wild Metang/Metagross are found in the same place as Elgyem/Lunatone/Solrock in B2W2, plus they're shaped like UFOs.
Anonymous
>>17569202 You could do all that without lowering it's bst.
M-Garchomp has less speed than regular Garchomp and yet it's bst is like 100 points higher.
Not to mention that goes completely against what Steelix is supposed to be.
Anonymous
>>17569205 It allows for already strong Pokemon to get Mega's that aren't super OP however. M-Gengar, M-Kanga, M-Blaziken and soon to be M-Lucario (Already on PO) Have been banned for already being good Pokemon (Not in Kanga's case though) to being OP due to getting a stats boost and better abilities.
Had they just had their stats rearranged they could had avoided being banned as they'd still be strong but not OP due to the trade off they have to make to mega.
Anonymous
>>17569286 You forgot the part that GameFreak doesn't give a fuck about smogon.
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
Anonymous
>>17569265 I was just using Steelix as an example as it has such a high defense stat it has something to give, something that would benefit from getting their stats rearranged more would be something like Hitmonlee which could keep its base stat total or lose a few points and gain Attack power and Speed in exchange for that special attack stat it doesn't use. Which makes it more powerful yet not OP like M-Luke or M-Gengar has become
Anonymous
>>17569286 >Pokemon Delta forms are revealed for [/spoiler:lit]Pokemon Plus and Minus[/spoiler:lit] >Stats are moved around to fit a certain theme (speed, defense, attack etc.) that wouldn't be expected (speed + attack ferrothorn) Delta = "a change in".
>>17569314 The entire metagame is based around double battles. Mega Milf is okay in doubles. same with a lot of "OP" pokemon because smogon can't into the true meta, doubles.
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>>17569314 GameFreak still somewhat cares about game balance, hence why they make changes that favor balance each gen (Despite fucking something else up in the process) like grass's Spore immunity or Electric types immunity
Anonymous
>>17569342 Mega-evolutions are supposed to be "evolutions beyond regular evolutions" and aren't meant to hinder the pokémon in any possible way other than being unable to use items so lowering their bst is plain fucking stupid.
Whether they become OP or not is completely irrelevant.
Anonymous
>Arceus is basically a literal God. >Lets let the players have the creator of all life in a fucking pokeball.
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
Anonymous
>>17569348 Right, this is shit I am talking about. If you gave Ferrothorn a attack and speed boost with a mega but didn't touch its defensive stats it becomes OP as fuck. But if you exchanged some of its defensive power for offensive power you now have another use for Ferrothorn as a versatile weapon that can stay a defensive monster until a situation calls for offense and you can go mega and gain that power you need while still keeping some of its defensive power. Its not OP to make it a mega now
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>>17569348 >Delta forms that makes no sense
Anonymous
>10 hours on paint later
Anonymous
>>17569425 You aren't hindering anything but changing the Pokemon's role. It gives up some but gains alot. You can't give certain Pokemon megas as it is because it would make them OP and even Gamefreak has their limits. (M-Heatran, now you can not only not kill it but it also OHKO's everything) for example. Redefining Heatran to a tankier Pokemon in trade for power allows for it to play its role as a annoying burn spreader more
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>>17568978 A star with small buds of plasma jutting off of it at random points making it look like...
A KOFFING!
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>>17569465 Ah I did not see that tanks anon.
Anonymous
>>17569571 >You can't give certain Pokemon megas as it is because it would make them OP and even Gamefreak has their limits. They gave fucking Mewtwo a mega, do you realize how retarded what you're saying sounds?
Anonymous
>>17569569 Am I dumb for hoping that we get elder/out gods next gen?
Anonymous
>>17569693 Partly, because those elder gods will still bow down to the might of the Pokemon made by human-hands. But that'd be cool too
Anonymous
>>17569500 >>17569571 But Megas are supposed to be OP. That's literally the whole point. That's why you can only use one per battle. That's why they're not just another forme change, like so many others.
Are you daft?
Anonymous
>>17569569 i don't really thik that arceus created Xerneas and Yveltal, i think that they were just a colateral effect and they took shape when the weapon did its thing.
Anonymous
>>17569610 Right and you see where Mewtwo is now right? Yeah Game Freak doesn't work with Smogon tiers and shit but all I am saying is that if some Pokemon got megas like this we'd see much fewer bans on the megas by Smogon
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>>17569771 The weapon was literally powered by them, it was created after them and not the other way around.
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
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>>17569693 I want some Hindu ones, particularly Shiva. Mainly for the concept of worldly/planar forms (possibly using megas).
>Now I am become time, destroyer of worlds. Anonymous
>>17569757 >Implying there won't be an event pokemon created by Elder Things Anonymous
>>17569790 >You can't give certain Pokemon megas as it is because it would make them OP >But they gave two to Mewtwo which is already one of the most OP pokémon >And you see where it is now right? Do you even read what you're typing?
As
>>17569770 put they're supposed to be better than regular pokémon, not just alternate formes with similar stats. It's the fucking point.
Anonymous
>>17569770 Over powered and powerful are not the same thing. Go back to reddit or LoL or wherever you come from so that the big kids can talk about things.
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>>17569837 >similar stats *similar base stats
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>>17569771 I liek.
But arceus still the creator of life/death. But this fuckers just get a pokeavatar in earth.
Anonymous
>>17569829 >Implying that will be able to surpass the power of the man-made Pokemon Anonymous
>>17569790 Who gives a shit what Smogon bans
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>>17569790 >>17569849 The reveal of Mega Evolutions stated that it would put regular Pokemon on the same level as Legendaries. That's what Game Freak stated. Some Legendaries are Uber, even in Game Freak's formats.
Do you see where this is going? If you want your altered base stats with an equal or lesser total, make it a forme change. Megas are meant to be obscenely powerful. Hell, the only reason why you don't see Game Freak issuing bans for VGC is that it's really fucking hard for a Pokemon to be imbalanced in Doubles. Remember what happened to Wobbuffet in singles?
Also, do you have any spicier b8? This one was a bit dry. Anonymous
Anonymous
>>17569918 Choo choo Shoggoth pokemon is coming to crush you
Anonymous
>>17569983 But Tangrowth already exists.
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>>17569983 Go back to whence you came from, puny Pokemon
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Anonymous
>>17569569 Where the fuck do Reshi and Zeki play into all this?
Anonymous
>>17570063 They're just a dragon that split in two + a shell.
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
>>17570063 The abstract concepts division, with Uxie, Azelf, a Mesprit.
Anonymous
>>17570063 The YinYang Dragons are from the Unova war. Not really godly
Anonymous
>>17569918 >Implying it won't >Implying Pokemon born from mankind's ignorance are worth anything All man-made Pokemon are created using primitive methods and have nothing but brute force going for them. An artificial Pokemon properly crafted by Elder Things would be a nightmare.
Anonymous
>>17570086 >>17570093 Naw niggas naw, the Tao Trio has got to be related to Arceus somehow.
Anonymous
>>17567698 >Diamond Pokédex entry >It is described in mythology as the Pokémon that shaped the universe with its 1,000 arms. >Caught Arceus has no 1,000 arms >You did not caught Arceus per se but something like a offspring of them Anonymous
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>>17570128 Well they're not. They're just some regional legendaries irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
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>>17570108 >Implying the original dragon wouldn't be able to rape Arceus to hell and back John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
>>17570170 >>You did not caught Arceus per se but something like a offspring of them An avatar.
Anonymous
>>17570124 >All man-made Pokemon are created using primitive methods and have nothing but brute force going for them. >What is a Mewtwo Anonymous
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>>17570198 >yfw you caught one of its arms >yfw I have no face Anonymous
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>>17570124 >Mewtwo >Porygon line >brute force Ok. And always remember, Mewtwo is a genner
Anonymous
>>17570215 Doesnt mewtwo solve all of its problems by fighting using brute force? That nigga turned a 10 year old to stone for crying out loud
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>>17570337 What, did you expect it to brainwash people or something?
Anonymous
>>17570337 Brute force? It fucking hypnotized a Nurse Joy for fucks sake. It even cloned an army of Pokemon to do it's bidding. Tell me how that is brute force. He even explicitly stated that he is the world's greatest Pokemon trainer.
Anonymous
>>17570215 >Not even a true manmade Pokemon; just a Mew whose potential raw power was forcefully brought out at the cost of its versatility Primitive method, check.
>Has no special influence on the fabric of the world or unique abilities; just a standard Psychic type on steroids who hits extremely fast and hard Nothing but brute force, check.
Anonymous
>>17570509 >Mewtwo >not versatile Anonymous
>>17570509 >Cloning is a primitive method John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
>>17570509 >genetic engineering >primitive how retarded can you even BE?
Anonymous
I think Yveltal just causes death. Before Yveltal things didn't die.
Anonymous
>>17570547 >Mewtwo >As versatile as Mew Mewtwo may be stronger overall, but it had to sacrifice Mew's "can learn all available moves" ability to get there. There's simply no denying it.
Anonymous
>>17570444 .....thats literally brute force. It didnt convince her of anything, or trick her. It used mind control.
Anonymous
>>17570558 >>17570566 It's probably pretty primitive in the pokemon world.
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>>17570591 Mewtwo still gets pretty much all the moves he needs, it's not much of a drawback.
Anonymous
>>17570558 >>17570566 The ape beasts think cloning is the cutting edge of science. How adorable.
Anonymous
>>17570509 Mewtwo sent everybody back in time at the end of the first Pokemon movie and also erased their memories. He's pretty damn powerful.
>inb4 hurr durr movies That's part of Mewtwo's canon. Deal with it.
Anonymous
>>17570566 It's pretty goddamn primitive genetic engineering, if my Mewtwo's IVs are anything to go on
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>>17566968 he is now immortal thanks to my 30+ boxes of failed larvitar offerings
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>>17570627 What edge
Go worship your lovecraftian shit somewhere else
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>>17570594 >Mind control >Brute force You're not making sense
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>>17567210 I don't remember goku creating his own tournament to decide the fate of an entire race of beings or cloning a bunch of saiyans
Anonymous
>>17570558 >>17570566 >Cloning >Not building the Pokemon from the ground up to perfection It's like you WANT the baggage associated with the flawed, natural Pokemon being cloned.
Anonymous
>>17570619 Yet, Mewtwo is the only successfully cloned Pokemon?
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>>17570628 >Mewtwo sent everybody back in time at the end of the first Pokemon movie What movie did you watch?
He just erased their memories and sent them back to the island. He didn't send them back in time.
Mewtwo has a different history in the games by the way. Anonymous
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>>17570619 Unless they figured out how to clone stuff back when they were still tribes it's far from primitive
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>>17570649 Welcome, newfriend. :^)
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
>>17570687 Tell that to my 6IV Ditto.
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>>17570687 >fossil pokemon Anonymous
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>>17570658 ....mind control is literally brute force. Force is not restricted to punching things ya know
Anonymous
>>17570629 now you're just shitposting
>>17570684 what baggage? And we have the Porygon line for purely man made Pokemon
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>>17570649 >I don't have anything of value to say....I better call him edgy. am I fitting in yet guys? Anonymous
>>17570730 >Force is not restricted to punching things ya know Yes.
>mind control is literally brute force. No.
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>>17570583 Can anyone figure out how Xerneas could fit into this? Maybe Xerneas is just a counter to prevent all death all the time.
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>>17570717 >hurr I can't provide a better argument, better shitpost kek
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>>17570755 >make a joke >shitposting o-okay
I'll just leave
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>>17570690 Depending on the source, some state he sent them back in time prior to them visiting the islands, some say he just sent them back to the mainland and changed everyone's memories.
Serebii says Mewtwo sent everybody back in time.
Serebii confirmed.
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>>17570721 How about some clones that are actually modified?
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mewtwo literally is brute force incarnate. when he broke free from the cloning facility he raised it and killed every other mewtwo clone in the place. whether they were failures or not
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>>17570769 It doesn't.
Death existed before Yveltal.
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>>17570730 it's not brute force anon
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
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>>17570783 Are you fucking retarded? I wasn't trying to argue, it was a joke.
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>>17570789 Serebii sees time travel in fucking everything.
It's called projecting. :^) Anonymous
>>17570721 I forgot about those. But they aren't modified to be stronger, like Mewtwo is.
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>>17570814 There were no other Mewtwos at that facility. He was their one and only success according to the first movie... unless it's been retconned? I haven't seen the most recent movie. What's their bullshit explanation for the second Mewtwo?
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>>17570843 if they were they wouldn't be rock type
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>>17570788 You guys made Maka leave....
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>>17570817 How? Maybe it taking the energy of everything means taking their life force.
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>>17570852 >What's their bullshit explanation for the second Mewtwo? Different people made a Mewtwo that looked exactly the same as the last one.
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>>17570755 >"What baggage?" >Flawed, natural Pokemon As Mewtwo is derived from Mew, it still suffers from similar flaws. A 100% artificial Pokemon created from scratch instead could theoretically have no weakness.
Porygon as you mentioned is a step in this direction. It uniquely knows Conversion2, which allows it to change its type to counter any Pokemon.
Anonymous
>>17570814 he was the only success out of the other experiments. And when he went out and created that island, he made his own Pokemon army using cloning techniques that are better than those that made him. He even made Pokeballs that could catch already caught Pokemon. Those could even catch pokemon inside Pokeballs. Just because it has the brute force to destroy everything doesn't mean it does.
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>>17570890 Fucking Aurorus.
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
>>17570907 I like to believe they were associated with the ones that made the original and followed their plans. Maybe tried to make it more docile, resulting in the femininity.
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>>17570768 >Forcing someone to do what you want is not forcing someone to do what you want >Im smart guys >no really Anonymous
>>17570907 like how the Samsung galaxy s3 is thin and squarish like an iPhone? I'm not buying it GF
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>>17570944 It's not brute force just because you're imposing your will.
Anonymous
>>17570929 You mean the same scientist Mewtwo slaughtered within ten minutes of the first movie?
Man, that kind of violence will never happen again in a Pokemon movie/episode. I mean, he freaking killed everything and the animators/writers made no effort to hide that fact.
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>>17570948 What are you even trying to say here?
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>>17570789 Why the fuck would he even need to do that? Are there any of instances of mewtwo using localized tempural displacement to fix problems?
Nothing could ever defeat it, he would just throw them into the center of the sun, or fling them forward 80 years relative to everything and have them age to death.
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>>17570944 >Mind control is brute force >Im smart guys >no really Anonymous
>>17570984 In Origins, Mr. Fuji was one of those scientists and he survived. Maybe some other scientist did too?
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
>>17570984 I'm not sure exactly what you're asking me now but I think you misunderstand. I don't think that they /were/ the same team, just someone who would have had some association with the team who made the Mewtwo from M01 and had access to the documents related to that Mewtwo's creation. It's just headcanon, but it makes a fuckload more sense than chalking it up to coincidence.
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>>17570789 >Serebii says Mewtwo sent everybody back in time. He also said that BW2 had a tutorial.
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>>17570979 .....If maliciously using your power in the most direct way to affect change isnt brute force...what the hell is
Or are you saying mind control is some sort of subtle force
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
>>17571047 That's hinted at in the games too.
Copypasted from my notepad document on Mewtwo lore:
NOTE: It is speculated that the Guyanese jungle where Mew was apparently discovered is actually Faraway Island. A message is left on a signpost there which contains a remnant of a signature belonging to a name ending in ? ji but this element is present exclusively in the Japanese release of Pokémon Emerald, which is generally assumed to be from Fuji. The researcher who wrote these diary entries is speculated to be Dr. Fuji, the founder of Pokémon Lab, or Mr. Fuji, who may both be the same character.
__________________________________________________
Old Man At Lavender Pokécenter: There's a rumor…
I hear that MR. FUJI's not from
these parts originally, either.
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Cinnabar Lab Sign: A photo of the
LAB's founder,
DR.FUJI!
FRLG: A photo of the LAB’s founder…
DR. FUJI?!
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>>17571047 Origins Mewtwo follows a different canon than Mewtwo Strikes Back. All of the Pokemon movies take place in Strikes Back universe. Fuji is present when Mewtwo decides to fuck shit up and is probably one of his first victims.
It doesn't make any sense. Let's just accept that.
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>>17571057 It's not the opposite of subtle.
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>>17571097 Well when you put it that way, I guess so.
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>>17571147 No one said it was
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>>17571057 see
>>17570921 Mewtwo is a trainer too
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>>17571049 It took an entire team funded by Giovanni to create the first Mewtwo, and everybody on the island with knowledge of the experiment was killed. I'm guessing the data was also destroyed as well unless it was sent to a backup server off-site. Even if a few of the scientist were away and escaped death by Mewtwo's hand, I have a hard time believe a team large enough to start from the beginning exists. The main man behind the project, Dr. Fuji, was killed by Mewtwo after all.
That being said, your headcanon still makes more sense than chalking everything up to a coincidence.
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>>17571191 >You will never play a pokémon game where Mewtwo is the MC John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
>>17571057 I'm pretty sure that what the people that have been arguing against you are trying to say (but can't find the words to do so, apparently) is that while it may be a /type/ of brute force, it isn't an example of the creation of Mewtwo's primitivism, which is where the argument began. I'm pretty sure what they mean is that not all "brute force" is necessarily unadvanced, and that mind control isn't brute force in the same way that Genesect having a massive canon is brute force. It's the difference between an army of tens of thousands and the invention of a device that can destroy them all in an instant.
>>17571097 This. Mewtwo's lore is one of the most divergent examples between canon.
Origins/Game Mewtwo > PokéSpe Mewtwo > M01 Mewtwo > Genesect Movie Mewtwo Anonymous
>>17571239 >You will never play a pokemon game where Mewtwo is the champ Anonymous
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>>17571240 >Origins/Game Mewtwo > PokéSpe Mewtwo > M01 Mewtwo > Genesect Movie Mewtwo Damn that's some good taste
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
>>17571216 >it was sent to a backup server off-site I think it was either something like this, or reports that definitely got sent back to the Rocket higher-ups.
>>17571270 >You will never play a Pokémon game where Mewtwo is your rival Anonymous
>>17568077 according to legends, Yveltal drains the energy from the surrounding lifeforms and goes into a cocoon/egg state for a thousand years before it woke up to feed again.
Lysandre just wanted to use the weapon (which powered by the energies of the Monsters itself) to remold the world in his image (or just to rule the world with the weapon itself). The monsters that attached to the machine would either die or ceased to exist, as the Flare Boss just stated.
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>>17571311 >Mewtwo will never call you talking about his top percentaage rattata Anonymous
>>17571325 Lysandre is basically poke hitler.
Wants to take resources for him and his people
Set up a proper world
Destroy everyone else in the process.
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>>17567210 Arceus = Entire existence god.
Dialga = Avatar of Time
Palkia = Avatar of Space
Giratina = Avatar of Antimatter
Yveltal = Dark avatar of Earth (Planet)
Xerneas = Light avatar of Earth (Planet)
Zygarde = Balance avatar of Earth (Planet)
Kyogre = Sea avatar of Earth (Planet)
Groudon = Ground avatar of Earth (Planet)
Rayquaza = Sky avatar of Earth (Planet)
Lugia = Guardian of the Sea
Ho-oh = Guardian of the Skies
Celebi = Guardian of the Forest
Mew = Origin of Pokemon DNA on Earth
Deoxys = Origin of Pokemon DNA on Unknown Alien Planet
Mewtwo = Manmade experiment with DNA
Cresselia = Guardian of light side of Moon / manifestation of good dreams
Darkrai = Guardian of dark side of Moon / manifestation of bad dreams
Regigigas = Strong Pokemon (Heavy-lifter / Worker)
Regis = Manmade representations of culture
Legendary Beasts & Birds = Strong / Rare Pokemon
There are more, I got bored
Anonymous
>>17571397 Was Hitler a good guy who became disillusioned about the world though?
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>>17571311 >You will never play a Pokémon where Mewtwo is your dad John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
>>17571411 The Regis aren't man made. They were made by Regigigas, who I'm almost positive wasn't man-made but may have been.
IDK why people always say that they were, aside from the fact that we call them golems.
>>17571447 >You will never play a Pokémon game where Mewtwo is your bike Anonymous
>>17571411 >Celebi = Guardian of the Forest I thought Celebi's main job was being a guardian of time
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>>17571414 Yes
If he's being sincere in Mein Kampf, he loved his country and its people, and genuinely thought they were the greatest in the world.
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>>17571469 >golems You called?
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>>17571414 Yes.
Originally he was just some random guy who wanted to be an artist.
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>>17571469 >mfw you'll never catch this mewtwo John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
>>17571482 It's guardian of the forest to go with guardian of the sea and guardian of the sky. It time travels for God knows why. There isn't nearly enough lore about Celebi.
Did the Mystery Dungeon with the shiny Celebi tell us anything important? It's the only extra source I can think of from which I don't remember much.
>>17571535 Go away, your name doesn't even make sense.
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>>17571414 Yes. Awful though he was, he only wanted what was best for him and his people. He believed himself to be doing what was right. What was meant to be done.
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
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>>17571599 >mfw you'll never train this Mewtwo >mfw you'll never be Blaine Anonymous
Wait what was this thread about?
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>>17571311 To me, Arceus is the Avatar of Matter/God while Giratina's the Avatar of Antimatter/Devil.
>>17571482 That's spiritual trio's Job. They're the gatekeepers of the secret of the Space/Time Continuum, which is why Cyrus need them to summon Palkia and Dialga so he could use them to shape it to what he see fits (though he ended up summoning Giratina as well, and thus got stuck in the Distorted Realm)
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>>17571601 >Rock monster named golem doesn't make sense. Anonymous
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>>17571645 Legendaries, lore and bullshit.
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>>17571645 The Kennan and Kel 20th anniversary reunion movie.
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
>>17571645 Lore.
>>17571653 GF calls Giritina "antimatter" but I feel like it's more "oppositeness" or the embodiment of chaos or "anything that isn't" or however you want to put that phrase. Calling it antimatter is a bit of a simplification.
>>17571685 Seems like you need to brush up on your Judaism.
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>>17571325 >(or just to rule the world with the weapon itself) Maybe you dont remember and thats fine but the goal was that Team Flare, all about 8 or 9 of them tops, plus Lysandre and a few scientists would be the only living beings on the planet.
Not that they'd have trouble repopulating with how fucking hot and slutty those girls are
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>>17572214 That's probably why people joined in the first place
Shit, I wanted to sign up when those sluts first appeared
But then, that's the case with me with every villainous team
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>>17572268 I would've joined them if not for that absurd entry fee.
Had they waited a month, I could've paid up... Shit I almost snuck in when they were like "Where's your uniform? Oh well, feel free to take a 'nap' any time you want" in the base. All of my lesbians
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>>17571781 >He expects game freak to care about how the jews feel about pokemon Anonymous
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>>17568005 Sorry, but the burden of proof is on you. The game states it this way, and there is nothing hinting otherwise.
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>>17572310 >>17572268 >every team ever >JOIN TEAM ROCKET, WE ABUSE POKEMON TO ENGAGE IN RACKETEERING AND POACHING what the fuck, that's awful
>THIS IS THE UNIFORM FOR FEMALE MEMBERS HAIL ROCKET
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>>17572316 I don't expect that at all though. Golem's name doesn't make sense regardless of how
our every world leaders feel.
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>implying all these other planets that are home to Clefairy etc. aren't exactly the same in the diversity of Pokemon but Clefairy are just native there where as they are not in the Pokemon world that we know
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>>17569348 >Delta forms >not the same Pokemon with different typing Kiddo, do you even TCG?
Anonymous
>>17569286 Give me one good reason why Luke is broken
Heracross is better.
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
>>17572855 >tfw there will never be a game set in Holon Worst feel in all of Pokémon.
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>>17571092 Ever since they said Mew was found in Guyana, I always thought they found it in
Jonestown I dunno, with all the fucked up things that happened after with Mewtwo, it seems like it would be an omen or something...
Anonymous
>>17574096 Luke has 2 options, SD or nasty plot. And hits hard with both. Once you know what set it's using, it has already killed aat least one of your pokemon
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>>17574490 I've seriously considered making an Emerald romhack set in Holon with all of the Pokemon's typing and movesets changed.
John Lydon lol !xPOSER9PtU
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>>17574793 I started messing around with typings in GSC a while ago but then I got X. I'll seriously have to do a run-through of it with odd typings someday. I was basing it mostly off the cards, with electric Feraligatr and ground Meganium but also some things that just make sense like Psychic/Flying Noctowl.
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>>17574696 >Luke has 2 options, SD or nasty plot. And hits hard with both. Once you know what set it's using, it has already been killed Oh. So why is it good, if its just dead turn1?
So the typical special set carries fight/dark/maybe steel/dragon
Which is walled by Florges or Smogonbird. Boobookeys cant actually wall or it would too.
Physical has E Speed and a variety of fighting moves, maybe a steel one. Still walled by non-fighting weak bulky physical mons or anything with Curse. Shadow Sneak + Waterfall greninja annihilates anything without Sucker punch/Dark pulse.
Oh, and Mega luke is still fighting weak
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>>17567169 Didnt Kyurem come from space by meteor or some shit like that?
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>>17574898 damn type, that was supposed to say "it has already killed one of your pokemon"
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>>17569012 >Deoxys has only appear catchable in the game once in FR/LG. What about Emerald?
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What happens when you put a fight against Xerneas (an immortal pokemon) with Yveltal (a pokemon that could kill anything)?
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>>17574948 It did. I edited your sentence to more reflect what actually happens.
Azumarill, Talonflame, Greninja, and basically anythhing that isnt total shit not only totally walls Lucario, but one-hit KOs it without fucking trying. Except Extrasensory greninja
Anonymous
>>17569569 Shouldn't Palkia and Dialga be above Xerneas and Yveltal?
>Time &Space then
>Life & Death Anonymous
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>>17574991 Zygarde comes in and smacks their shit.
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>>17569213 Probably a new form with an ability that will give it an advantage over both Xerneas and Yveltal since its Dragon-typing is weak to Xerneas and Yveltal is immune to its Ground-typing.
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>>17575094 That is, if Zygarde can even touch them.
>Xerneas and Yveltal immune to Zygarde's STAB moves. Anonymous
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>>17575150 In-battle mechanics, yeah either one could probably rip Zygarde's shit up. But I'd bet the plot-bullshit would be something like it's Aura Break ability completely disabling Xerneas and Yveltal so that whatever the plot needs to happen, happens, rather then it just shutting down their own abilities.
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>>17575056 Read again, anon.
Has NO "before", all sons are created simultaneously.
Also: "before and after" only exist on Dialga born,
