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Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:13:06 No.17625504 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>17625587 >>17625622 >>17625681 >>17625692 >>17628392

>Mega Charizard is an offensive juggernaut
>Mega Venusaur is a defensive behemoth
>Mega Blastoise spins rocks

Why did Blastoise get the shaft?

Henry 4871 4983 2666 (Abra, Sigilyph, Xatu)

Henry 4871 4983 2666 (Abra, Sigilyph, Xatu) Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:14:26 No.17625537 Report

Quoted By: >>17625585 >>17625616 >>17625624 >>17625805

he's the best rapid spinner in the game, as well as taking hits and dishing them out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:16:22 No.17625576 Report

Quoted By: >>17625591

Because Blue is worst version.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:16:50 No.17625585 Report

Quoted By: >>17625654 >>17626035

>>17625537
>best spinner
Excadrill is the best spinner. M-Blastoise is the best AT spinning, but Excadrill is a way better spinner to have on your team. Blastoise is too slow to sweep, and not bulky enough for bulky offense. No recovery, no defense against status.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:16:51 No.17625587 Report

Quoted By: >>17625608 >>17625990

>>17625504
>almost same level of bulk as Mega Venusaur
>135 Special Attack with Mega Launcher
>got the shaft

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:17:04 No.17625591 Report

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>>17625576
Except Blue was an improved version of Red and Green.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:17:54 No.17625608 Report

Quoted By: >>17625650

>>17625587
>>almost same level of bulk as Mega Venusaur

What are you smoking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:18:06 No.17625616 Report

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>>17625537

This. He's extremely balanced and can hit pretty much anything for at least neutral damage, plus the pseudo STAB.

git gud XDXDXD

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:18:18 No.17625622 Report

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>>17625504
Because of Greninja, I presume

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:18:22 No.17625624 Report

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>>17625537
Not mention his ability allows him to destory spinblockers. None of the Kanto starter megas got the shaft.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:19:37 No.17625649 Report

Quoted By: >>17625751

He's actually a force in UU

inb4 "but UU means it's shit"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:19:37 No.17625650 Report

Quoted By: >>17625751 >>17625754

>>17625608
79/120/115 vs 80/123/120

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:19:41 No.17625654 Report

Quoted By: >>17625751

>>17625585
What is aqua ring?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:20:22 No.17625672 Report

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>this thread
>implying spinning and spin blocking are anywhere near as good as hyper offense and immense bulk

You guys are retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:20:59 No.17625681 Report

Quoted By: >>17625802 >>17625831

>>17625504
I baton pass him calm minds, he can take out eviolite chansey with aura sphere with just a +3 boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:21:51 No.17625692 Report

Quoted By: >>17625802

>>17625504
Because there's already like a hundred of his type to choose from so something ridiculous has to be given to it to make it notable.

And Clawitzer/Starmie

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:25:02 No.17625751 Report

Quoted By:

>>17625654
>what is aqua ring?
An EXTREMELY shitty recovery move that is a complete waste of a move slot.

>>17625649
>UU means its shit
No, but Blastoise can't keep up with the top threats in the actual game

>>17625650
M-Venusaur has 5 resistances, and immunity to poison, and is only weak to Flying and Psychic. It also has a ton of recovery options. Bulk doesn't just mean defensive stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:25:16 No.17625754 Report

Quoted By: >>17625884

>>17625650
You're forgetting about Thick Fat, Leech Seed, Giga Drain and Synthesis.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:25:24 No.17625758 Report

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He's a turtle yet he's not the bulkiest of the group.
This shit always confused me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:27:33 No.17625802 Report

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>>17625681
>I baton pass him calm minds, he can take out eviolite chansey with aura sphere with just a +3 boost.

Having to pass it +3 from another Pokemon isn't anything to brag about. Most of the game is strong if you're passing them stats.

>>17625692
>something ridiculous has to be given to it to make it notable.
Honestly, it would be much better off with Shell Smash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:27:57 No.17625805 Report

Quoted By: >>17625813 >>17625845

>>17625537
>he's the best rapid spinner in the game
Why does every person with a friend code in their name have absolutely terrible opinions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:28:43 No.17625813 Report

Quoted By:

>>17625805
This so fucking much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:29:42 No.17625831 Report

Quoted By:

>>17625681
>I baton pass caterpie 3 shell smashes, that means it's a good pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:30:27 No.17625845 Report

Quoted By:

>>17625805
>leddit
that's your answer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:32:22 No.17625884 Report

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>>17625754
And Poison immunity. That's huge for a tank.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:33:30 No.17625905 Report

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>designed to look like a tank
>isn't a good tank
>a flowerfrogdinosaur is much better

Why do you make me suffer, GameFreak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:37:28 No.17625977 Report

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Shell Smash when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:38:19 No.17625990 Report

Quoted By: >>17626786 >>17626883

>>17625587
>>almost same level of bulk as Mega Venusaur
MVenusaur has three forms of recovery, two uncommon weaknesses, and can reliably force switches with sleep. MBlastoise is nowhere near as bulky as MVenusaur.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 18:40:43 No.17626035 Report

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>>17625585
This x1000. Mega Blastoise really kind of sucks. I tried to use him for a while, but there are just so many better alternatives.

Its exactly as you said. He's too slow to sweep, too frail for bulky offense, and has no recovery so he can't wall.

The only success I ever had with him was with a desperation moveset as a sort of "set-up" physical tank with Iron Defense, and even then he got countered hard by phazers, toxic, and pretty much any special wall.

Vipes

Vipes Sat 25 Jan 2014 19:25:14 No.17626786 Report

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>>17625990
>brave bard
>uncommon in talonflame: the metagame

You're right in the rest though, MVenusaur is miles better than MBlastoise

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 19:29:26 No.17626883 Report

Quoted By: >>17626941 >>17626950

>>17625990
>uncommon weakness's
>EQ
Please be trolling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 19:32:59 No.17626941 Report

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>>17626883
>EQ
I hope you're the troll here. MVenusaur's only weaknesses are flying are psychic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 19:33:18 No.17626950 Report

Quoted By:

>>17626883
>EQ
>a weakness
Please be trolling

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 20:47:03 No.17628297 Report

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bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 20:51:16 No.17628392 Report

Quoted By: >>17629037

>>17625504
No, Mega Blastoise is a mix of the two.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 21:23:17 No.17629037 Report

Quoted By: >>17633489

>>17628392
He's really not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jan 2014 23:12:48 No.17631155 Report

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It's supposed to be.
The main problem with Blastoise is that it's a bit lackluster in moves, typing, and ability.

It doesn't have any reliable recovery, so it can't tank like MegaVenusaur.

It doesn't have any neat boosting moves or immediate power that MegaCharizardX/Y have.

Mega Launcher, while decent, still pales in comparison to things like Drought and Thick Fat.

It's mainly good at spinning and killing spin blockers, but that's not as impressive with the Defog buff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 00:46:52 No.17633391 Report

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Bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 00:50:38 No.17633489 Report

Quoted By: >>17633565

>>17629037
what about that mega launcher?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 00:53:35 No.17633565 Report

Quoted By: >>17633607

>>17633489
As stated, the attack boost is not
as devastating as it seems and Blastoise is too slow to sweep and not bulky enough to be a bulky attacker. No recovery, susceptible to status, no good boosting moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 00:55:46 No.17633607 Report

Quoted By: >>17633637

>>17633565
that sucks, squirtle was my first. why do they always screw with the pokemon i like...?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 00:56:47 No.17633637 Report

Quoted By: >>17633654 >>17633666

>>17633607
If it makes you feel better, he was never that good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 00:57:33 No.17633654 Report

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>>17633637
SHUT UP, SHUT YOUR FACE RIGHT NOW!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 00:58:06 No.17633666 Report

Quoted By: >>17633699 >>17633748

>>17633637
neither was charizard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 00:59:05 No.17633699 Report

Quoted By: >>17633713

>>17633666
And now Charizard is great. Blastoise should have been made great too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 00:59:46 No.17633713 Report

Quoted By: >>17633749

>>17633699
That was the point of the whole thread genius. OP asked why he got shafted

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 01:01:03 No.17633748 Report

Quoted By: >>17633785 >>17633788

>>17633666
>neither was charizard
Because of sneaky pebbles? Pffft whatever eases your autism op

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 01:01:09 No.17633749 Report

Quoted By:

>>17633713
I know. Im OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 01:02:26 No.17633785 Report

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>>17633748
No, not because of Stealth Rock. It just never excelled at anything and was outclassed every generation until now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 01:02:35 No.17633788 Report

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>>17633748
Look at this idiot and laugh. Charizard was fucking garbage, you have literally no reason to use it over volcarona or even moltres

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 01:03:13 No.17633802 Report

Quoted By: >>17633820 >>17633828 >>17633850 >>17633895

I don't use him, but he seems to be a great bulky attacker.
79/120/115 defenses are nothing to laugh at, 135 spa is really good and with its ability it basically gets free STAB on fighting, dragon and dark.
Why is it considered so bad?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 01:04:35 No.17633820 Report

Quoted By: >>17634012

>>17633802
Jesus Christ.

Read the thread!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 01:04:55 No.17633828 Report

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>>17633802
No recovery. I cant imagine how strong it would be with recover.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 01:06:08 No.17633850 Report

Quoted By: >>17633890 >>17634169

>>17633802
>slow
>no recovery
>susceptible to status
>doesn't hit hard enough
>no good boosting moves
Pick all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 01:08:28 No.17633890 Report

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>>17633850
>doesn't hit hard enough
>base 135 sp.atk

nigga are you high?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 01:08:37 No.17633895 Report

Quoted By:

>>17633802
U forgot the part where it spins rock

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 01:13:49 No.17634012 Report

Quoted By: >>17634393

>>17633820
I did, none of the points made in the thread make him worse. Its only problem is no recovery, but many bulky attackers lack that.

>susceptible to status
It's not a physiscal attacker so it doesn't care for the burn, that's the only thing that matters. It's not a setup sweeper so it doesn't care for toxic either, it can just switch out.

He also beats every spin blocker thanks to STAB Dark pulse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 01:20:01 No.17634169 Report

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>>17633850
this. I tried using balstoise in a large variety of teams but he just isn't up to par with other mons. i love him but he just doesnt pull his weight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 01:22:58 No.17634245 Report

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I want the XY crowd to leave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 01:29:19 No.17634393 Report

Quoted By: >>17634536

>>17634012
>Its only problem is no recovery, but many bulky attackers lack that.
That's not true because every bulky attacker has the option to at least hold Leftovers. Blastoise doesn't even get that much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2014 01:36:21 No.17634536 Report

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>>17634393

Wow, does they got it rough.

The only thing I can think of to help them is Trick Room. Would that even possibly work? If not then Tail Wind? Paralysis support? Sticky Wed?

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