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OU SUSPECT TESTS BEGIN

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 10:02:06 No.17666611 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>17666647 >>17667154 >>17667370

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/xy-suspect-testing-round-1-np-michael-jackson-extreme-speed-demon.3498655/

Because I know not EVERYONE on /vp/ is a complete casual trashcan... right?

tl;dr - GET 1700 ELO ON BOTH LADDERS AND YOU GET TO VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT LUCARIONITE/GENESECT/DEOXYS-S SHOULD BE BANNED

Who are you voting out of our precious tier, /vp/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 10:08:17 No.17666647 Report

Quoted By: >>17666659 >>17667295

>>17666611
No, some of us are into this.
I just lost three battles, though. Fucking kill me.
Two of our niggas from /cpg/ are almost there.

I wanna get Mega Luke banned above all, and hopefully Genesect as well. They're both broken.
I'm not feeling Deo-s because no one's using it, but it's probably ban worthy as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 10:09:41 No.17666659 Report

Quoted By: >>17666702

>>17666647
There is literally nothing broken about Deo-s, the fact that it was ever uber to begin with is a goddamn crime

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 10:09:46 No.17666660 Report

Quoted By: >>17666702 >>17667468

I can understand Genesect and Mega Luke, but all Deoxys-S does is set up hazards, die, and get its hazards spun/Defogged away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 10:13:09 No.17666702 Report

Quoted By:

>>17666659
>>17666660
All it does is shit up hazards but that's enough for most offensive teams to just walk all over you.

I'm not having trouble with it, no one is even using it, but just wait till good players start using it. I don't know if it's broken but it's hell to face if used properly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 10:44:47 No.17666889 Report

Quoted By: >>17666991 >>17667000 >>17667252

I feel like M-Luke is obviously broken, Gene is on the fence, and Deo-S is definitely not, even when played by good players on HO teams.

On the other hand, Aegislash needs to go way more badly than Gene and I'd argue possibly even M-Luke, but we're gonna have to wait for that one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 10:57:34 No.17666991 Report

Quoted By: >>17667006 >>17667180

>>17666889
You serious?
I find Aegislash the least threatening of the S ranked pokes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 10:59:38 No.17667000 Report

Quoted By: >>17667005 >>17667010

>>17666889
>Aegislash stronger than Gensect

top
fucking
kek

Also wasn't Deoxys-S promoted up from UU SIX DAYS AGO? And is already in a suspect test for Ubers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:00:48 No.17667005 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667000
Remember what's the rule
>If the top players and mods on smogon lose too often to certain mon, then it will be a suspect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:01:18 No.17667006 Report

Quoted By: >>17667021 >>17667047 >>17667092 >>17667109 >>17667205 >>17667252

>>17666991
then you're playing against retards

aegislash has 0 safe switchins, has 150/150 defenses and 150/150 offenses, then has 5 different viable sets to abuse

mandibuzz is destroyed by LO flash cannon, cant do anything but activate weakness policy, automatize wrecks offensive teams, etc etc

i can see literally 0 reason to keep aegislash in ou and have no idea why people think it's anything but the best poke the tier has possibly ever seen

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:01:43 No.17667010 Report

Quoted By: >>17667018

>>17667000
Deo-s was suppposed to be one of the first suspects since the begining of times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:03:10 No.17667018 Report

Quoted By: >>17667079

>>17667010
It was placed in UU. Not OU. They obviously did not think it was Ubers worthy a month ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:03:25 No.17667021 Report

Quoted By: >>17667037

>>17667006
>can do anything but activate weakness policy
So you're facing WP Aegislash users and I'M the one playing against retards?
Ok.

Btw the buzz OHKOs Blade Form Aegis and can't be OHKO'd even by LO Head Smash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:05:38 No.17667037 Report

Quoted By: >>17667046

>>17667021
i've already got reqs shitlord

weakness policy aegis is extremely powerful and if someone lets you foul play an aegislash-blade i'd say they're pretty fucking horrible

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:07:05 No.17667046 Report

Quoted By: >>17667063

>>17667037
Oh really?
What's your alt?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:07:07 No.17667047 Report

Quoted By: >>17667063

>>17667006
Can you please take a screenshot of yourself on the OU ladder? I have a hard time believing you are even above 1300 if this is actually giving you trouble.

>b-but my rating doesn't affect how valid my opinion is

Yes it does. There is a reason YOU will not qualify for this or any other suspect test.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:08:44 No.17667055 Report

Quoted By: >>17667064

another one bites the dust

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:09:33 No.17667063 Report

Quoted By: >>17667082 >>17667084 >>17667252

>>17667046
i have two

thx zarel/i wish i had drugs

>>17667047
so a retard like you can post my screenshot in the thread? yeah good joke

come message me on showdown if you want proof - and just remember you're fucking awful

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:09:34 No.17667064 Report

Quoted By: >>17667070

>>17667055
>I was just pretending to be shit at pokemon, am I a master troll yet

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:10:44 No.17667070 Report

Quoted By: >>17667074

>>17667064
...what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:11:45 No.17667074 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667070
sorry nvm I suck at reading comprehension
I'm a huge faggot please rape my face.

Kyouko !TW3SDzEwkI

Kyouko !TW3SDzEwkI Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:12:25 No.17667079 Report

Quoted By: >>17667088 >>17667099

>>17667018
"placed"

It was used below 3.41% of times, hence why it became UU.

All of ya'll faggots believe that Deo-S's best set is suicide lead. It's not. The Revenge Killer set is the most threatening with a huge Super Effective coverage and an insanely powerful Psycho Boost. I can testify to this, as I've used this mon in every team since the start (after Deo-N got banned).

Also get out MLuke. I don't want to deal with you. As for Genesect, I've never had huge troubles with it... because I'm carrying Heatran all the time maybe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:12:52 No.17667082 Report

Quoted By: >>17667088 >>17667099

>>17667063
>"Prove you have any idea what you're talking about."
>n-no!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:14:04 No.17667084 Report

Quoted By: >>17667099

>>17667063
sure you do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:15:10 No.17667088 Report

Quoted By: >>17667095 >>17667129

>>17667082
He posted two accounts with high ladder ratings..? That seems pretty proving.

>>17667079
I don't think deo-s is uber material in gen priori-bulk

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:15:35 No.17667092 Report

Quoted By: >>17667180

>>17667006
Aegislash is easily one of the weakest smogon mons.
>Not taking 2 attacks max to kill it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:16:36 No.17667095 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667088
>posted two accounts
No he didn't, he named two accounts on the ladder. That is no different from me saying that I am Dauude Sandstorm, RS 7n7, dEnIsSsS, and ondaman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:17:05 No.17667099 Report

Quoted By: >>17667111 >>17667117 >>17667129 >>17667130 >>17667252

>>17667082
>>17667084
message me then you fucking retards

i'm not posting a screenshot because - guess what - you use screenshots to PROVE IT'S YOU IN THE SUSPECT THREAD

why the FUCK would i post that kind of info on 4chan?

i'm proving it's me and i'm proving that you two are retarded 1300 elo scrubs if you want me to

>>17667079
deo-s as a revenge killer is an absolute joke and is just begging for aegislash to come in and do another 60% to anything on your team with shadow ball

anything that lets aegis come in for free is a liability in this meta - this includes deo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:17:26 No.17667101 Report

Quoted By:

Swagger shit needs to go. I got to 1900 with a tea if only two pokemon, swagger klefki and sableye.

Luke on the other hand is easily wallable once you figure out if it's special or physical. Genesect is a little annoying but entry hazards rapes it hard. Deoxys is just a waste of a perfectly good slot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:17:56 No.17667109 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667006
how bad are you at this game

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:18:04 No.17667111 Report

Quoted By: >>17667125

>>17667099
why are you so hellbent on thinking aegislash is the god of all things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:18:42 No.17667117 Report

Quoted By: >>17667131

>>17667099
Are you in a room or something? Looked you up in the lobby but could find you, and I don't know how to do to find someone on Showdown. I'm kinda new to this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:19:40 No.17667125 Report

Quoted By: >>17667156 >>17667252

>>17667111
because it severely limits teambuilding to the point that things like latias and deo-s are UU simply because they let aegislash come in for free

it's incredible centralizing and needs to fucking leave

Kyouko !TW3SDzEwkI

Kyouko !TW3SDzEwkI Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:20:34 No.17667129 Report

Quoted By: >>17667149

>>17667088
Well, being a revenge killer and not a sweeper, prioribulk isn't too important.

But I didn't say it was ban worthy. I don't think it is.

>>17667099
So anything but Diggersby, Lando-T and Garchomp is pointless to carry? Okay, sure!
Aegislash is good, no doubt, but it's not the God of Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:20:43 No.17667130 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667099
are you diagnosed retarded or just normal retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:20:44 No.17667131 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667117
/w thx zarel, hi

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:22:34 No.17667149 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667129
anything that lets aegislash come in for free is pointless to carry unless you're carrying several checks for it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:23:44 No.17667154 Report

Quoted By:

>>17666611
Lucarionite is the only one of those three that should be banned IMO

Genesect isn't as good as he was in gen V, when he was just barely uber material

Deoxys S isn't really that good, he honestly becomes setup fodder for pokemon like aegislash

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:23:56 No.17667156 Report

Quoted By: >>17667164

>>17667125
So then I guess Blissey should drop to UU too becasue it lets aegislash get a free switch?
OH OH I KNOW, EVERY WALL IN THE GAME SHOULD BE UU BECAUSE THEY LET AEGISLASH GET A FREE SWITCH IN ASIDE FROM HEATRAN AND MANDIBUZZ!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:25:50 No.17667164 Report

Quoted By: >>17667187 >>17667198 >>17667252

>>17667156
well blissey is trash, but at least it's immune to shadow ball

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:28:00 No.17667180 Report

Quoted By: >>17667833,1

>>17666991
>>17667092
>mfw finding out smogon gave it an s rank for viability

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:29:07 No.17667187 Report

Quoted By: >>17667196

>>17667164
your point being?
It just gets rekt by Sacred Sword anyway. Why are you acting like Sacred Sword is it's only move? And it doesn't hit that hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:30:09 No.17667196 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667187
Shadow Ball*

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:30:24 No.17667197 Report

Quoted By: >>17667211 >>17667215

After years of playing this is the first time I actually feel obligated to participate in this, I already have the requirements on OU, I need to fulfill the OU (suspect) requirements on the same alt to make it valid?, or I can just post the pics of two different alts.
Also, what are you guys voting for.
Fuck all of these guys, Genesect is probably the most scary one, I'm so glad the dumb fucks in the ladder don't use the Rock Polish sets anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:30:42 No.17667198 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667164
>blissey is trash

yeah sure chansey is better but it isn't trash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:31:18 No.17667205 Report

Quoted By: >>17667241

>>17667006
The funniest part to me is that you are bitching about mixed/special Aegislash which is significantly less common at higher Elo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:32:20 No.17667211 Report

Quoted By: >>17667237

>>17667197
Eh. If I ever take the time to actually climb Showdown, I'd probably ban Mega Luke even if I do use it. It's broken as hell and needs to go quickly. Second up would be Genesect and I don't think any other pokemon are ban worthy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:32:41 No.17667215 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667197
I just want mega luke to end.

Btw I can confirm the Aegislash dude is legit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:37:09 No.17667237 Report

Quoted By: >>17667275

>>17667211
Every time a broken piece of shit is banned to ubers a new one takes it's throne as "OU'S MOST BROKEN SHIT"
Who do you think is next besides Aegislash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:38:14 No.17667241 Report

Quoted By: >>17667252

>>17667205
you actually have to be trolling right now

mixed aegis is the ONLY set at higher elo, are you fucking serious?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:40:25 No.17667252 Report

Quoted By:

>>17666889
>>17667006
>>17667063
>>17667099
>>17667125
>>17667164
>>17667241

ya'll niggas gettin' rused

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:45:51 No.17667275 Report

Quoted By: >>17667289

>>17667237
Aegislash probably won't get banned. It has good enough counters so that it won't fly to ubers. I guess people will still be calling for Talonflame's head though, since people hate that bird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:48:40 No.17667289 Report

Quoted By: >>17667357

>>17667275
I know! Once I get the requirements I will make a thread with a poll so people can decide what I vote on, 4chan's sucks dick at competitive and a single vote probably wouldn't matter in the case of Lucario.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:49:57 No.17667295 Report

Quoted By: >>17667401

>>17666647
nigga from /cpg/ here confirming that I hit 1700 on normal OU ladder. Will do Suspect ladder when it comes up.

personally:

MLuke Ban
Deo-S OU
Gene OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:50:31 No.17667303 Report

Quoted By:

Luke and Gene will get banned, dunno about Deo-S but it could go. Wouldn't particularly care either way with him.

Aegis is not getting banned and you're retarded if you think otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 11:57:56 No.17667357 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667289
MLuke will definitely go. People have been wanting it out of OU ever since Megamom got banned. You can guarantee people will be calling for Genesect's head next and then that'll be about it. Dexoys-S may go to ubers, but I feel it works well enough in OU so there's no need to go ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:00:56 No.17667370 Report

Quoted By: >>17667380 >>17667393 >>17667399 >>17667821

>>17666611
Calling it, next thing to be banned after Genesect and mega Luke is gonna be Pinsir.
Either that or Pinsir beomes the most used mega.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:02:24 No.17667380 Report

Quoted By: >>17667399

>>17667370
at this rate our only mega options will be mega houndoom or mega aerodactyl.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:04:05 No.17667393 Report

Quoted By: >>17667403

>>17667370
Both the Zards are as good as Pinsir

ZardY has less counters, too

theory debunked

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:05:05 No.17667399 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667370
>>17667380
Lucario is without a doubt the last mega to be banned, there's a huge gap between Kanga/Gengar/Lucario and the rest of them

Kyouko !TW3SDzEwkI

Kyouko !TW3SDzEwkI Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:05:17 No.17667401 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667295
I agree with this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:05:45 No.17667403 Report

Quoted By: >>17667422 >>17667429 >>17667431 >>17667435

>>17667393
>Blissey
>Chansey
>Heatran (if no Focus blast)
As long as these 3 things exist, Charizard is not gonna get banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:06:08 No.17667406 Report

Quoted By: >>17667425

What the fuck was Gamefreak thinking when they gave this shit Adaptability and made others megas utter shit in comparison (starting off with Banette)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:08:13 No.17667422 Report

Quoted By: >>17667438

>>17667403
>(if no Focus blast)

literally no other move as good as fblast for char-y

fun fact all 3 of those get demolished by char-x too

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:09:06 No.17667425 Report

Quoted By: >>17667437

>>17667406
If you haven't figured it out yet, Game Freak has clear favorites when it comes to Pokemon. It's why we have Delphox and Chesnaught, and then in the next room we have Greninja.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:09:30 No.17667429 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667403
Or no EQ. Some ZardY actually run EQ because they're too gay to run inaccurate moves.

Not like you'll find manyn Zardys with no means to destroy the tran, tho.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:09:47 No.17667431 Report

Quoted By: >>17667440

>>17667403
I have seen Charizard Y sets with EQ or to lure Heatran or Flare Blitz to 2HKO the fat whore. Oh, and the less common Charizard X sets with Overheat to roast every wall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:10:13 No.17667435 Report

Quoted By: >>17667449 >>17667453 >>17667457 >>17667470

>>17667403
Zard Y always has Focus Blast

Blissey can't counter Zard Y, he hits too hard, only Chansey can.

So the list of his hard counters is more like

Latias
Chansey

And Pinsirs is more like

Skarm
1 of Aegis/Rotom-W depending on moveset
Zapdos

Very slightly longer list. Very, very slightly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:10:31 No.17667437 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667425
I wouldn't give Chesnaught shit, the thing is actually pretty legit. It's got a really good typing and it's easy to build cores around it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:10:47 No.17667438 Report

Quoted By: >>17667561

>>17667422
Blissey and Chansey wall the shit out of MegaZardY and can pretty much cripple it to death.

Balloon heatran is a good counter to MegaZardX assuming he still has his balloon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:11:33 No.17667440 Report

Quoted By: >>17667454 >>17667532

>>17667431
>use Flare Blitz on Blissey
>die from the recoil
gr8

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:12:16 No.17667449 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667435
>pinsir
>not easy as fuck to counter
resisting flying + ground isn't hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:13:16 No.17667453 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667435
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey in Sun: 241-285 (33.7 - 39.9%) -- 30.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Chansey in Sun: 202-238 (28.6 - 33.8%) -- 0.7% chance to 3HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:13:18 No.17667454 Report

Quoted By: >>17667467

>>17667440
It's a lure more than anything. Every special attacker benefits from reliable killing unsuspecting Blissey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:13:52 No.17667456 Report

Quoted By: >>17667466 >>17667474 >>17667478 >>17667487 >>17667506

Aegislash will never be banned. The only things that ever get banished in these suspect tests are the fast, powerful sweepers and attackers, and the really annoying stuff.

Aegislash is slow. Therefore, it's fine.

I can vouch for the sword being a fucking terror though. most people agree that the most common set is King's Shield / Shadow Ball / Sneak / Sacred Sword, right? And Mandibuzz is a good counter to this set?

A few days ago I battled this guy. He got rocks up and kept the offensive pressure on, not really giving me a free turn to Defog. He switches in Aegislash and I think "finally, here's my chance!"

I switch in, taking SR damage, and tank the Shadow Ball. I Defog as he King's Shield's. It seems safe to throw out a Foul Play, try to gain some momentum.

I end up activating his Weakness Policy, and he KOes Mandi with fucking Flash Cannon.

o_o

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:14:13 No.17667457 Report

Quoted By: >>17667482 >>17667532

>>17667435
You're forgetting two key things though, Pinsir can boost and it's fast, plus it has a really fucking strong priority.
Char Y is not very fast by fast sweeper standards, it gets outsped by many things and every scarfer, has no priority and can't boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:14:59 No.17667466 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667456
>The only things that ever get banished in these suspect tests are the fast, powerful sweepers and attackers, and the really annoying stuff.

i can make shit up too if you want

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:15:04 No.17667467 Report

Quoted By: >>17667532 >>17667544

>>17667454
You're not "reliably killing" something when that takes more than a half of your HP, and I bet it doesn't OHKO without investment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:15:06 No.17667468 Report

Quoted By:

>>17666660
No. The Deoxys-S hazard set isnt the problem, its the life orb mix attacking set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:15:23 No.17667470 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667435
And unless they're max physical defense, Zapdos and even Rotom-W stand a chance of being OHKOd by a +2 Return after SR

Pinsir is way good

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:15:50 No.17667474 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667456
oh no shit sherlock. What else would Aegislash run?
Give it some swagger first before foul playing, how stupid can you get?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:16:25 No.17667478 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667456
>Non-Autotomize Weakness Policy Aegis
maximum bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:17:03 No.17667482 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667457
It's pretty rare and almost inexistent, but some people actually run Flame Charge/Tailwind ZardY.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:17:38 No.17667487 Report

Quoted By: >>17667515

>>17667456
We all know it's not like that.
What gets banned are threats, be it support, offensive, or defensive threats, as long as they're centralizing, broken or some shit.

Lugia can't deal damage for shit and just stalls forever, but it's not going to ever be OU. Deo-s, who's a support poke, got banned last gen, because it's support capabilities made it too easy for teams to sweep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:19:59 No.17667502 Report

Quoted By:

Maybe mega luke the others are ok.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:20:57 No.17667506 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667456
If you don't know the item, it's usually better to not hit it with foul play in shield form. Use Whirlwind or some shit until you're sure what item it's carrying. It shouldn't take much damage while doing so.

Now, if I ever get my Mandibuzz OHKO'd after rocks by Head Smash I'm gonna laugh a lot and stop playing for a while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:21:50 No.17667515 Report

Quoted By: >>17667523 >>17667524

>>17667487
This gen we have Defog though, and Mandibuzz especially.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:23:46 No.17667523 Report

Quoted By: >>17667549

>>17667515
Yeah but there's also this thing called "mantaining offensive pressure", which means a better player will fuck you sideways, and "defiant", meaning that a Thundurus or a Bisharp can switch into Defog and tear you open a new asshole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:23:53 No.17667524 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667515
Which is why I don't think will get banned this gen. Lots of actual removers around now.

Kyouko !TW3SDzEwkI

Kyouko !TW3SDzEwkI Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:24:19 No.17667532 Report

Quoted By: >>17667535

>>17667467
It never OHKOs...
But it always 2HKOs. Even without investments.

>>17667440
Zard Y has successfully done his job at wallbreaking, meaning you can now run that Nasty Plot Deo-S there reliably.

>>17667457
Char Y isn't even a sweeper. It's a wallbreaker, meaning it's a supporter. And he is the strongest wallbreaker in the game bar Water Spout Kyogre (Either scarf or specs). Comparing CharYzard with Minsir is like comparing Specs Keldeo to SD Talonflame, really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:25:24 No.17667535 Report

Quoted By: >>17667546

>>17667532
>Nasty Plot Deo-S
That sounds like a nasty set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:26:37 No.17667544 Report

Quoted By: >>17667562

>>17667467
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey in Sun: 241-285 (33.7 - 39.9%) -- 30.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Charizard Flare Blitz vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey in sun: 397-468 (60.88 - 71.77%) -- guaranteed 2HKO0 Atk Charizard Flare Blitz vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey in sun: 397-468 (60.88 - 71.77%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 Atk Charizard Flare Blitz vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey in sun: 397-468 (60.88 - 71.77%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
The role of a lure is to kill whathever it is supposed to kill, even if you fucked in the process. Blissey gets 2HKO, Chansey dies after rocks if I recall. Still, it's realiable enough.

Kyouko !TW3SDzEwkI

Kyouko !TW3SDzEwkI Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:26:42 No.17667546 Report

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>>17667535
It's not really THAT good, but it was the first example that popped up into my head.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:27:18 No.17667549 Report

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>>17667523
Well then the guy with Mandibuzz just got outplayed. All you have to do is switch into Mandibuzz while Deo S is out, and either go for a safe foul play/knock off or predict the taunt and go into a safe switch in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:29:54 No.17667561 Report

Quoted By: >>17667567

>>17667438
>Balloon heatran is a good counter to MegaZardX assuming he still has his balloon.
Not against the dd/claw/blitz/quake coverage sets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:29:55 No.17667562 Report

Quoted By: >>17667582

>>17667544
Chansey's Physical bulk is higher than Blissey's, so it should take less damage, but
>397-468
The recoil is intense.
Also must be pretty shit getting relatively two low rolls and getting softboiled on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:30:44 No.17667565 Report

Quoted By: >>17667575

Meanwhile
>Smogonwash at 30+%

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:31:16 No.17667567 Report

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>>17667561
Oh yeah. Good point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:32:10 No.17667575 Report

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>>17667565
Being on every team doesn't make it broken or centralizing.
I agree that's annoying but I don't think anyone will argue that it's broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:32:57 No.17667582 Report

Quoted By: >>17667590

>>17667562
Some dickfuck doesn't understand the basic concept of pressure. If you Flare Blitzing the shit until you die it will get weakened to a point where another mon can take finish the job.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:35:37 No.17667589 Report

Quoted By: >>17667592 >>17667596 >>17667603

Why do people use chansey and blissey when eviolite porygon2 is tankier?

I run a bolt/beam toxic recover porygon 2 and its pretty gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:36:00 No.17667590 Report

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>>17667582
I understand that.

That's not "reliably killing" though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:37:01 No.17667592 Report

Quoted By: >>17667666

>>17667589
Chansey has like twice the bulk P2 has, and a much better support movepool, including Stealth Rocks and stuff.

Kyouko !TW3SDzEwkI

Kyouko !TW3SDzEwkI Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:37:51 No.17667596 Report

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>>17667589
Because Chansey/Blissey are extremely good clerics and wish passers in Stall teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:39:11 No.17667603 Report

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>>17667589
Because people is gay just like their mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:45:07 No.17667666 Report

Quoted By: >>17667680 >>17667704 >>17667776

>>17667592
I am looking at chanseys non existence def and pointless ability (natural cure is shit if statues force ur wall to switch)
compare to porygon2
solid 90/95 def spef, great attack boltbeam coverage
>TRACE - sick ability (i traced prankster once shit was so cash)

Kyouko !TW3SDzEwkI

Kyouko !TW3SDzEwkI Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:46:43 No.17667680 Report

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>>17667666
>non existent physical bulk
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:49:18 No.17667704 Report

Quoted By: >>17667737

>>17667666
250/5 is nothing to laugh at when backed by an eviolite. Fucking Kyurem-b has trouble breaking that down. Natural Cure is a great ability too, but you have Aromatherapy and Heal Bell anyways. You can Wish Pass, set up rocks, or just stall shit forever.
There's a reason it was BL last gen while P2 was UU and no one complained.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:53:33 No.17667737 Report

Quoted By: >>17667817 >>17667833

>>17667704
I see your point , I might give chansey a fair go then, I want to test it out in battle maison first tho
(if you can stall battle maison long enough you can stall anything)
Lets see if it does better than porygon2.. whats a good chansey set for maison?

toxic softboil protect sesimic toss?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 12:59:38 No.17667776 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667666
>chanseys non existence def
>natural cure is shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 13:04:51 No.17667817 Report

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>>17667737
fuck I just found out sesimic toss is a egg move for chansey and I dont have mankey to start the breeding chain..

can someone please give me a breeding left over chansey with seismic toss so I can start breeding?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 13:05:33 No.17667821 Report

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>>17667370
Mega Evolutions were a mistake to begin with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Jan 2014 13:06:50 No.17667833 Report

Quoted By:

>>17667737
>stall in maison
>trying to stall teams with 100% accuracy OHKO moves and brightpowder

Anonymous

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>>17667180
Smogon's viability thread is populated by the scrubbiest players. It's the one place they let you post about what pokemon is the most amazing without proving yourself on the ladder.

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