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>Browse /vp/ regularly, see Maison Hax complaining almost daily >Think nothing of it, surely exaggerated >Finally getting around to going for the trophies >Bring in WP Dragonite, M-Pinsir, Swampert and Gengar >Having absolutely no issues >Run into a perfectly balanced and incredibly well played Trick Room team, almost lose >Shit, I'll have to be more careful >Couple more matches, playing cautiously, everything's fine >Almost every battle is handled by Dragonite and Pinsir >Suddenly >"Enemy Aerodactyl used Rock Slide!" >"A critical hit!" >"M-Pinsir fainted!" >"Dragonite's Weakness Policy activated!" >"Dragonite flinched!" >"Enemy Weavile used Ice Punch!" >Barely survive >Send out Gengar >"Enemy Aerodactyl somehow outspeeds a Timid perfect Speed IV/EV Gengar and uses Rock Slide!" >"A critical hit!" >"Dragonite fainted!" >"Gengar fainted!" >"Enemy Weavile used Ice Punch!" >"But there was no target!" >mfw it's turn 3, I have yet to use an attack and all I have left is a Swampert Fucking hell, you guys weren't kidding. How the fuck do you prepare for this shit? Counter with obnoxious hax of your own? Or is it just perserverance? Share stories of frustrmaison, and the team you used to get past 50-streak.
Anonymous
>>17726689 >"Enemy Aerodactyl somehow outspeeds a Timid perfect Speed IV/EV Gengar and uses Rock Slide!" Of course it fucking does, Aerodactyl has 130 base speed and Gengar has 110
Anonymous
>quick claw fissure donphan ends my runs every time also whisicash with fissure and cryogonal with sheer cold, every one of them hits 100%
Anonymous
>>17726745 This is the only thing that pisses me off. I can deal with pretty much everything else in the maison though
Anonymous
>>17726734 Well, fuck.
I guess I just need to bring another wall, then? I dunno what to expect in here anymore. I thought one mixed wall one bulky sweeper and a physical and special fast powerful sweeper was a good mix
Anonymous
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>>17726689 >"Enemy Aerodactyl somehow outspeeds a Timid perfect Speed IV/EV Gengar and uses Rock Slide!" Nevermind that the Dactyl is 20 base speed faster than Gengar and that these endgame flat battle facilities always have max EVs and beneficial natures.
Anonymous
>>17726805 the whole point is that you can't have a team that is completely infallible to hax
even the ultra slow and safe whimsicott/durant/m-gyra teams have all sorts of things that fuck them up and end runs early
I personally use megamom/gliscor/togekiss as my main 3 and can almost always get over 70 wins and broke 120 before getting hit with two OKO moves
Anonymous
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>>17726782 Then what's your team dawg
Anonymous
>>17726857 You lead with Momma, then? And abuse flinch with Togekiss?
And any team advice for Doubles?
Anonymous
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I got to 48, and lost to being fully paralyzed 3 times in a row Almost cried in frustration
Anonymous
>>17726689 >Not knowing that Aerodactyl naturally outspeeds Gengar you deserved to lose
Anonymous
I use Mega Mom, Life Orb Froge, and Sash Mamo. Literally 0 problems so far. I think everyone's biggest problem is they don't utilize priority moves enough
Anonymous
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>>17726969 >Gengar and Aerodactyl are both in my top 5 favemons You're right...I-I'll step up, senpai
Jay: 1263-7011-3822 (pawniard, cacturne, absol)
Jay: 1263-7011-3822 (pawniard, cacturne, absol) Thu 30 Jan 2014 06:03:57 No. 17727014 Report Quoted By:
i got to 49 in super single, last mons down for me with megamom and opponent with regigigas. this should have been an easy win, but the fucker hit me with confuse ray and for the next 5 round i hit myself in confusion. i nearly threw my 3ds.
Anonymous
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I run charizard Y with heat wave/solar beam/protect/dragon pulse (protect for the inevitable rock slide) alongside him I run swampert with assault vest and the usual attacking moves to absorb "hurr durr rockslike" and bait them into leading with grass types that charizard can rape, and to destroy rock types in general. Next is breloom who destroys bulky water types which swampert and charizard Y can't beat. Last is chandelure b/c life orb fire blast. I can only get to about 40 or so. I'm thinking I should swap chandelure out?
Anonymous
>>17726933 mega mom
adamant 252hp/252atk/4spe
crunch
pup
return
sucker punch
gliscor@toxic orb
sassy 252hp/252def/4spe
earthquake
aerial ace
protect
toxic
togekiss@leftovers
calm 252hp/252spd/4spe
air slash
toxic
roost
nasty plot or protect
they all cover each others weaknesses and lead with megamom since she has the bulk to eat everything but a stab close combat or stab focus blast and get to +2 with pup and sweep with return and sucker punch. Crunch is useful to take down bulky ghosts, but fake out could be useful for getting certain kills without taking damage. Togekiss eats special attacks and gliscor eats physical, just watch out for the ice weakness.
Anonymous
also, I'm running into a shit ton of focus sashes. sure is annoying when I'd otherwise be OHKO'ing left and right
Anonymous
>>17727095 >get fucked by OHKO hax my first battle maison run >switch to sash on my lead >get fucked by parahax or miss all my 1KOs since no choice specs/band now Every team gets fucked in some way, it's all luck on if you can make it past battle 100 without hitting some combo that counters you.
Anonymous
>>17727221 yeah I feel conflicted, if I run band on my breloom, he wrecks shit hard, but then they're all sashed/faster. If I run sash, they're all too bulky to OHKO.
Anonymous
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>>17727246 That's what makes megamom so good to me outside of instant kill moves. 105/100/100 is bulky as hell and it has a built in choice band that breaks sashes AND can setup on things with power up punch AND can drop faster threats with sucker punch.
At least half of the super single teams can be cleanly swept with just 1 power up punch and alternating return and sucker punch, really makes the fights fast.
Anonymous
What I've been using in the Maison that avoids most hax is Mega-MILF Jolly 252 Att/Spe 4 HP Sucker Punch Power up Punch Earthquake Return Durant@Choice Scarf Jolly 252 HP/Speed 4 SDef Truant Entertainment Giga Impact Shadow Claw -- Cloyster@Focus Sash Adamant 252 Att/Spe 4 SDef Skill Link Protect Shell Smash Icicle Spear Rock Blast This got me to 131, and I only lost because I wasn't paying attention while playing. The closest I got to losing besides that was a Quick Claw Dewgong who froze big mommy.
Anonymous
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>>17727776 Truant just fails too much for me without taunt/embargo support, always protects or uturns or a quick claw fire attack/OHKO move and I'm left with a 3vs1 scenario with no setup if my lead drops early.
Anonymous
>>17726689 That fucking choice scarf+kings rock aerodactyl is a huge faggot. Ended my streak again today
Anonymous
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>>17728073 2 items.. i see..
David 2766-8772-6781
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>>17726689 Aerodactyl is faster than gengar.
Aero is 130. Gengar is 110.
Anonymous
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>>17726991 What sets do you run on them?
I've been using the same team with Talonflame instead of M-Kanga (haven't trained any of my three 5-IV Kangas yet). Talonflame can't really get work done in-game like it does on Showdown.
Anonymous
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>>17727776 I tried that same a similar team that uses Durant as a lead, Blaziken/Scolipede for setting up a +6 attack/speed baton pass with a sub on the pokemon you use entrainment, and Cloyster for receiving the baton pass.
Got 25 battles done before an Exploud lead one-shot Durant with fire blast and proceeded to use roar on my Blaziken while setting up. Cloyster was unable to kill it and I was left with a Blaziken that has no moves.
Anonymous
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Mega Heracross/Cloyster/Mandibuzz. Only thing that counters Mega Hera is users of STAB Brave Bird. Cloyster can kill every such user of STAB Brave Bird. The things that can then kill Cloyster die to ToxicStall Mandibuzz.
Anonymous
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>>17726745 Whiscash is
my most hated pokemon ever
since emerald battle frontier
I fucking hate it
I want it erased
I want to have one irl just to kill it
Anonymous
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teams who got past 50 wins : mega blaziken protean frog bellyjet azumarill A bit of luck with this one. Greninja was running grass knot over dark pulse for coverage. ----------- rotom-w gengar char x Basically the karenfag team, featuring smogonwash. Gengar was sashed, always rocked since gen 3. ------- cinccino gliscor mega venusaur Most funny team used. Cinccino is a boss. Gliscor was running eq/knock off/taunt/roost, and it delivered. Venusaur, well, we know how it works. ------------ Galvantula WP Dragonite Mawile Don't understimate Galvantula, it got good coverage and sticky web. No much to say about the others, but they really appreciate the sticky web support. ---------- Current team on 75 : Talonflame Ferrothorn Blissey Basically the "I don't wanna die" team. Created because I was quite anal about Talonflame beating the chatelaine.
Anonymous
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So has the Pokebank opened up any good options? I rarely see Bankmons in these threads.
Anonymous
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>>17727025 What abilities on those?
Anonymous
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Did someone mention Aerodactyl hax? N7RG-WWWW-WWW4-ZGAH
Anonymous
Guys, I'm curious. Is it easier to get bigger streaks on singles or doubles?
Anonymous
>Get AI down to last pokemon >Ambipom >Now to finish- >Ambipom used Fake Out >Flinched >Now time to fini- >Ambipom used Fling >It flung its Kings Rock which made you flinch AGAIN >Finally kill it afterward What the hell is the point of that set? Just to prolong battles? I keep seeing it in Battle Maison and always it's the last pokemon on the AI's team.
Anonymous
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>>17731459 >Doubles >Triple >Rotation Have all been easy for me, with more pokemon on your team, you are able to counter the AI better.
Single is an whole another story.
You neither have luck, or use Mega Mom like everyone else, which I will not do.
Single is hell, your better off doing the others first.
[JPN] Sayuki 2878-9974-7591 (Pidgey, Woobat, Rufflet)
[JPN] Sayuki 2878-9974-7591 (Pidgey, Woobat, Rufflet) Thu 30 Jan 2014 14:24:00 No. 17731587 Report Whimiscott@Focus Sash Jolly(252hp, 38 def, 220 spe) Ability: Prankster -Taunt -Encore -Knock Off -Memento Durant@Choice Scarf Jolly(252 hp, 18 spDef, 240 spe) Ability: Truant -Entrainment -Superpower -Rock Slide -Iron Head Gyarados@Gyaradosite Adamant(156 hp, 72 atk, 96 def, 184 spe) Ability: Multiscale -Dragon Dance -Earthquake -Waterfall -Protect Lead with Whimiscott, Taunt + Knockoff so the AI has no choice but to attack and loses its hax item Send in Durant, give the AI traunt Switch to Gyara on a turn the AI is loafing around, get to +6 Reached 1300 wins at the battle maison singles until a Moody Octillery decided to end the streak.
Anonymous
I also use to think Maison Hax was bullshit, but after this happened I somewhat believe it. M55W-WWWW-WWW4-P4TZ Fucking Quick Claw
Anonymous
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>>17731587 >each victory took me an hour Anonymous
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>Use Weakness Policy boosted Sacred Sword on Excadrill >It avoided the attack >tfw Sacred Sword is a move that negates evasion but it missed anyways And that's how I lost in Doubles Battle Maison
Anonymous
>>17731602 What's the chance of Quick Claw activating 5 times in a row?
Anonymous
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>>17731661 1/5^5 or 1/3125, if it's still 20%.
Anonymous
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>>17731661 20% chance each turn for 5 turns:
(0.2)^5 = 0.00032 = 0.032 %
Yep.
Anonymous
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http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/like-ability-capsule-1000w-0l-triple-maison-team-report/ This dude got a 1000+ win streak with a team in Maison Triples. Not my choice of format but for grinding BP it seems legit.
Anonymous
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My super doubles team: Hitmontop@Sitrus berry ("I'll never get OHKOed") Intimidate -Fake out -Close combat -Wide guard -Bullet punch Charizard@CharizarditeY ("Hitmontop saves me from rocks") Blaze->Drought -Heat Wave -Solarbeam -Roost -Flame charge Garchomp@Choice Scarf ("I must outspeed Latios") Rough Skin -Dragon claw -Earthquake -Poison jab -Rock slide Gengar@Life orb ("Either it or black sludge is fine") Levitate -Shadow ball -Disable -Substitute -Dazzling gleam Hitmontop is the MVP of this team, since it intimidates and protects Zard from potential rock slide users with either fake out or wide guard while letting the starter speed boost with Flame charge or nuke both opponent's mons with Heat wave. It also protects itself from Garchomp's earthquake with wide guard, making it an awesome partner for Chomp alongside Zard and Gengar due to eq's immunity.
Anonymous
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Any run across that fucking Zapdos with Heat Wave, double team and brightpowder? Fuck that thing.
Anonymous
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Reposted from an earlier thread. I copied that guy's team to try it out and it's been very successful so far. Cinccino @ life orb Jolly 252 att, 252 speed tail slap rock blast bullet seed u-turn Gliscor @ toxic orb Impish the usual bulky and speedy spread you find on smogon EQ roost taunt knock off Venusaur @ venusaurite bold 252 hp, 188 spdf, the others in def giga drain sludge bomb synthesis leech seed
Uchronie [1950-8836-2069]
I went to 108 with Volcarona - Gastrodon - MegAggron But man, after twelve, every lead is the exact counter of my lead. I kept Volcarona as a bait and switched with Storm Drain Gastrodon on the water attacks. And when I tried with Gastrodon as a lead, HOW CONVENIENT, EVERY LEAD IS GRASS. I bet the Smogonsfags hate the maison>"uh waaaah Praflinch hax" >"buh waaaah Evasion clause"
Anonymous
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>>17732203 > implying smogonfags actually play on their carts Anonymous
>>17732203 >implying smogonfags even play outside of simulators Anonymous
>>17732596 >Implyng smogonfags even do anything other than theorycraft Anonymous
Anonymous
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>>17732762 >Implying I don't already have all 5 trophies and a record streak Anonymous
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Here's the replay of how my Gliscor saved my ass from that Flinchdactyl. 6JTW-WWWW-WWW5-2DVW
Anonymous
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>>17726689 >Counter with obnoxious hax of your own? Yes, for singles you get truant Durant with entrainment, full buff Blaziken and any attack mon, preferrably having multihit moves. Put Truant on foe, protect when he moves, buff then not, baton pass boosts and wreck shit.
Anonymous
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I haven't had THAT much trouble in the Maison. Only times I lost is when they throw teams at me that completely counter mine. But I've had a lot of close calls
Anonymous
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>>17731587 >Gyarados >Ability: Multiscale Anonymous
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>>17731484 Fake Out / KR Fling / U-Turn is a deadly set on Ambipom.
Replacing U-Turn with Base 140 Last Resort is increasing in popularity as well.
Anonymous
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A friend and I got to 50 super-multi wins I used Scarfed Gardevoir and M-Mawile He used Leftovers Jellicent and Specs Chandelure Beat the Battle Chatelaines, but not by much Got wrecked on 51 by more genies