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Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 17:18:11 No.17797056 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>17797123 >>17797168

>You need at least 5 HM moves to get anywhere in Gen 4

What's is UP with that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 17:20:00 No.17797080 Report

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>What's is UP with that?
>What is is UP with that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 17:20:33 No.17797089 Report

Quoted By: >>17797145 >>17797206

HMs were originally introduced to increase the immersion and help players imagine they really are going on an adventure where they and their Pokémon are helping each other.
Game Freak take a long time to realise things are bad for gameplay.

MASUDA

MASUDA Sun 02 Feb 2014 17:22:44 No.17797123 Report

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>>17797056
>What's is
Hmm maybe to screw fucktards like you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 17:22:48 No.17797125 Report

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*Turns on walk through walls cheat* Tree? What tree? So long fuckers! Smell ya later!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 17:24:03 No.17797145 Report

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>>17797089
HMs didn't originally exist since TMs 51 to 55 serving the exact same purpose as HMs 01 to 05 exist in the internal data of Red/Green.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 17:25:57 No.17797168 Report

Quoted By: >>17797308

>>17797056

And the pointless rock climb things everywhere. The pointless rocks on the way. You even need an HM Slave to go up against Red in HGSS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 17:28:12 No.17797206 Report

Quoted By: >>17797728 >>17798957

>>17797089
Immersion my ass. What's this, a tiny tree blocking my path? Well I could use a fire move to burn it down, or a million other attacks that could remove the tree (since going around it is fucking impossible) but I better turn around and go find that cut hm instead. Or my water pokemon clearly already knows how to swim, but it can't do that unless it knows the specific move surf.

I've always thought pokemon should have 1-2 move slots just for over world moves, to be unusable in battle. And then put a much larger emphasis on moves having over world effects. Of course you can still teach cut as a battle move if you really want to, but if not, you can fit it on your team without hurting a pokemon's move set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 17:30:07 No.17797238 Report

Quoted By: >>17797270 >>17797331 >>17798333 >>17798892

Off the top of my head, these are the necessary HM's.

Gen 1: surf, strength, cut
Gen 2: cut, surf, strength, whirlpool, waterfall.
Gen 3: Rock smash, strength, waterfall, dive, surf
Gen 4: surf, strength, rock smash, cut, rock climb, waterfall
Gen 5: surf, strength, waterfall

Gen 4 has the most at six, while Gens 1 and 5 are tied for three. I haven't played Gen 6, so whatever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 17:32:47 No.17797270 Report

Quoted By: >>17797327 >>17797374 >>17797728

>>17797238
>gen 2 and 3
Seriously fuck those, who's retarded idea was it to make a water type HM slave?

I thought it was Masudas favourite

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 17:34:53 No.17797308 Report

Quoted By: >>17797339 >>17797728

>>17797168
>You even need an HM Slave to go up against Red in HGSS.
Oh god don't even get me started on that bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 17:36:12 No.17797327 Report

Quoted By: >>17797661

>>17797270
You're not supposed to have a water slave. You're just supposed to have six water types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 17:36:24 No.17797331 Report

Quoted By: >>17797358 >>17797841

>>17797238
Hm... in gen V in Black/White, the only needed one was cut to get a cutscene. You didn't need any other HM unless you were looking to get shortcut/item goodies. Did that change in B2/W2

X/Y needed surf and strength

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 17:37:14 No.17797339 Report

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>>17797308
>yfw Red doesn't even have rock climb on his team

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 17:39:15 No.17797358 Report

Quoted By: >>17797491

>>17797331
I haven't played black in years because I completed the pokédex on it, so I can never reset it. ever. But I don't recall needing cut. Where was it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 17:40:05 No.17797374 Report

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>>17797270
At least surf is a usable move.
Hell is have cut/rochsmash slave in team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 17:47:55 No.17797491 Report

Quoted By: >>17797540

>>17797358
After beating the first gym in Gen V Black/White. You had to use cut to get to some Munna, or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 17:52:06 No.17797540 Report

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>>17797491
fuck. I forgot the dreamyard. Thinking back now, I hadn't realized just how linear black and white were... Eh. They still have my favorite soundtrack.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 17:58:26 No.17797661 Report

Quoted By: >>17797709

>>17797327
masuda is water

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 18:00:35 No.17797709 Report

Quoted By: >>17798072

>>17797661
>tfw male Vaporeon confirmed for Masuda

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 18:01:27 No.17797728 Report

Quoted By: >>17797796

>>17797206
>>17797270
>>17797308

This this this.

Why doesn't GF just makes HMs only usable outside battle and make TMs to complement the battle moves they were.

Also if immersion is so important make fly and surf show the actual pokemon and not some generic sprite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 18:04:57 No.17797796 Report

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>>17797728
>Also if immersion is so important make fly and surf show the actual pokemon and not some generic sprite.

easy. Only use wailmer and lapras.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 18:07:27 No.17797841 Report

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>>17797331
Yes, it changed in BW2.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 18:20:19 No.17798072 Report

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>>17797709

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 18:34:48 No.17798333 Report

Quoted By: >>17798396

>>17797238
absolutely no HM is necessary in gen V to finish the game
in gen VI only surf

TheOnlyMoth

TheOnlyMoth Sun 02 Feb 2014 18:38:20 No.17798396 Report

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>>17798333
your forgetting that ONE cut scene in the dreamyard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 19:07:22 No.17798887 Report

Quoted By: >>17798896

It baffles me that HM moves even still exist. It honestly feels like it is universally agreed they suck and no likes them. Just change those moves to TMs and the factors that determine whether or not your Pokemon can swim or fly are:
1. The badges
2. If the Pokemon is at least somewhat sizable enough to carry you. As in, a Spearow should not be able to carry anyone. Neither should a Noctowl technically, but you could at least maybe rationalize that you can hold on to its leg or something (Think Silver and his Murkrow in the manga).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 19:07:53 No.17798892 Report

Quoted By: >>17798951 >>17798959

>>17797238
>Gen 4
you forgot defog

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 19:08:21 No.17798896 Report

Quoted By: >>17798966

>>17798887
HMs stopped relying on badges in Generation V.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 19:10:52 No.17798951 Report

Quoted By: >>17798959

>>17798892
Technically you could get through the foggy areas blindly, like how you can get through dark caves without flash, IIRC

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 19:11:43 No.17798957 Report

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>>17797206

Or better yet, just have where once you got the HM, and Pokemon that can learn a HM can use it in the field without it taking up a move slot. Or just fuck them off altogether.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 19:11:54 No.17798959 Report

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>>17798892
>>17798951
Yeah you didn't NEED defog, and it was easier to go without it than Flash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2014 19:12:12 No.17798966 Report

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>>17798896
Really? Huh, I did not notice that when I was playing White version. I guess I just assumed since it has always been that way. Thank you for information good sir

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