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Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 19:40:23 No.17863375 View View Reply Original Report

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Is steel's loss of resistance to ghost and dark attacks a good thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 19:42:01 No.17863406 Report

Quoted By: >>17863472

Ghost is now OP offensively and Bronzong is now shit. So, no. Even though the Ghost resistance never made much sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 19:46:21 No.17863472 Report

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>>17863406
It used to be more difficult for Ghosts to phase through Steel objects, but through years of practice, it's not as troublesome anymore. Ghost will be super effective on Steel in another decade or so if the trend continues.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 19:46:39 No.17863476 Report

Quoted By: >>17863491 >>17863535

Steel resisted a hell lot of elements if you ask me, ice and grass should have gotten a buff at least, what would happen if grass resisted fairy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 19:47:37 No.17863491 Report

Quoted By: >>17863510 >>17863516 >>17863550 >>17863838

>>17863476
Ice resists steel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 19:48:41 No.17863510 Report

Quoted By: >>17863532

>>17863491
Ice resists steel? wasn't it weak to it before?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 19:49:02 No.17863516 Report

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>>17863491
Ice is weak to steel and it resists only ice type moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 19:50:13 No.17863532 Report

Quoted By: >>17863583

>>17863510
Steel is still super effective on Ice, he's just an idiot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 19:50:20 No.17863533 Report

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Gamefreak in charge of balancing it's own game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 19:50:24 No.17863535 Report

Quoted By: >>17864354

>>17863476
>>grass buffs

i wish, although i guess they are immune to powders now

Lizerd

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Lizerd Wed 05 Feb 2014 19:51:12 No.17863550 Report

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>>17863491

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 19:53:22 No.17863583 Report

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>>17863532
I got really confused for a moment indeed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 19:57:15 No.17863632 Report

Quoted By: >>17863689

I am checking the pokemon bank website... so I don't use my own computer to browse and organize the contents? I have to use the 3DS, oh well, Nintendo in charge of having software outside of their platforms.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 19:59:39 No.17863671 Report

Quoted By: >>17863817 >>17863845

Without the nerf to steel, Aegislash would be Ubers easily

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:00:50 No.17863689 Report

Quoted By: >>17863707

>>17863632
Considering you can't even reply to the right thread, it's probably better if it's all on the 3DS so you don't accidently delete all your Pokemon on the computer through your retardation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:01:55 No.17863707 Report

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>>17863689
it was kind of random you know.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:04:03 No.17863732 Report

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When I first heard that steel lost its resistance to dark and ghost, I didn't think it was that that huge of a thing.
I was wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:06:30 No.17863774 Report

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It's a good thing for Ghost and Dark types at least. Stuff like Mandibuzz and Bisharp got a lot more viable because of it + the Defog and Knock Off buffs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:06:46 No.17863778 Report

Quoted By: >>17863801 >>17863809 >>17863811

Steel needs to resist ghosts again.
Fuck Ghost is op as fuck now.
Make Psychic neutral to it or something. Psychic is absolute shit as things stands. It's arguably the worst typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:07:54 No.17863801 Report

Quoted By: >>17863940

>>17863778
Ice would like a word with you

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:08:35 No.17863809 Report

Quoted By: >>17863851

>>17863778
>Ice
>Poison
>Grass

Rupus 1504-7050-6199 (Ivysaur, Maractus, Pansage)

Rupus 1504-7050-6199 (Ivysaur, Maractus, Pansage) Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:08:52 No.17863811 Report

Quoted By: >>17863940

>>17863778
>psychic worst typing

>what is bug
>what is ice

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:09:03 No.17863815 Report

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I'm okay with Steel losing its Dark resist since Dark has been pretty shitty since it was introduced, though it really needs that Ghost resist since fucking nothing but Dark and Normal resist it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:09:05 No.17863817 Report

Quoted By: >>17864003

>>17863671
>weakness policy

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:09:50 No.17863827 Report

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Why don't they make it so that everything resists everything and the entire metagame revolves around setting up swords dances, calm minds, and baton passing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:10:25 No.17863834 Report

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I liked it until it made bisharp one of the most annoying motherfuckers out there

and aegislash being a god tier ghost type regardless doesn't help

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:10:48 No.17863838 Report

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>>17863491

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:11:17 No.17863845 Report

Quoted By: >>17863903

>>17863671
>not playing Weakness Policy Aegislash
>not taking 20% from non-stab SE knock off and #rek teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:11:47 No.17863851 Report

Quoted By: >>17863940 >>17863962

>>17863809
poison is a pretty good defensive typing actually

too bad almost all poison types are shitmons

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:15:28 No.17863903 Report

Quoted By: >>17863917

>>17863845
I'm running it and it either hits weakness policy and destroys everything in one hit, or just gets OHKO'd. Nothing inbetween.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:15:30 No.17863904 Report

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>everyone saying ghost is op now
>not realizing dark is the new master race attacking type
obviously, ghost always has been and still is an s-tier defensive type

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:16:44 No.17863917 Report

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>>17863903
"either it lives or it dies"
-yuo

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:16:47 No.17863918 Report

Quoted By: >>17863958

>People thinking that steel type was balanced before
Shit, nigger, it's still the most op type in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:18:07 No.17863940 Report

Quoted By:

>>17863811
>>17863801
I think he mean't offensively worst.

Ice is a fantastic offensive type, Bug is okay offensively.

>>17863851
Bug and poison suffer from the same problem, most of their respective pokemon are utter fucking shit.

At least poison types can absorb toxic spikes, bugs just get shat on by treacherous shingles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:19:29 No.17863958 Report

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>>17863918
yeah this. fuck ou, glad i don't have to deal with fagget aegislash, but ghost and dark weakness completely pushed metagross bronzong and jirachi into uu where they're decent to strong but not out of place. JJIRACHI will probably stay uu now. jirachi.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:19:57 No.17863962 Report

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>>17863851
it would be if not everything with passable atk ran EQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:22:26 No.17864003 Report

Quoted By: >>17864057

>>17863817
what's that? I am not a competitive player btw.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:25:03 No.17864057 Report

Quoted By: >>17864076

>>17864003
When hit with a move you're weak against, it gives you +2 attack and special attack, Aegislash is a good user of it since it has its defensive form to sponge the hits better and hit back hard when it activates.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:26:17 No.17864076 Report

Quoted By: >>17864104 >>17864106 >>17864125 >>17864126

>>17864057
So, is an ability? I thought for a moment it was another stupid rule made by smogon or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:28:19 No.17864104 Report

Quoted By: >>17864249

>>17864076
>another stupid rule made by smogon

Holy shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:28:20 No.17864106 Report

Quoted By: >>17864141

>>17864076
it's an item

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:29:22 No.17864125 Report

Quoted By: >>17864141

>>17864076
Item, one time thing in a battle. An ability like that would be OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:29:22 No.17864126 Report

Quoted By: >>17864249

>>17864076
>another stupid rule made by smogon

r u serious m8?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:30:03 No.17864141 Report

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>>17864106
>>17864125
Oh, I see then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:37:06 No.17864249 Report

Quoted By: >>17864312 >>17864371

>>17864104
>>17864126

Weakness Policy: The new clause of gen 6 as stated by Smogon, anything that's better than Aegislash gets banned.

yfw people like that guy hate smogon and don't even know what it is

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:39:18 No.17864285 Report

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Smogon is cancer

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:39:48 No.17864298 Report

Quoted By: >>17864325 >>17864334

No, it wasn't okay to make my bro shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:40:34 No.17864312 Report

Quoted By: >>17864948

>>17864249
That's the joke, I am just a little bitter about them banning Salamence in the good old days of Gen IV.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:41:19 No.17864325 Report

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>>17864298
I know that feel bro, at least with Weakness Policy and Rock Polish, he can do work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:41:39 No.17864334 Report

Quoted By: >>17865103 >>17867367

>>17864298
>two additional weaknesses make something shit
Tyranitar has seven weaknesses and is still good.

Try using Weakness Policy+Rock Polish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:42:29 No.17864354 Report

Quoted By: >>17864579 >>17864699

>>17863535
immunity to powder and leech seed is enough reason for me to put a grass type on every team. Kind of annoying, really.

Bug, and Ice really need some help though. Maybe Grass too, but like I just said it's really useful already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:42:43 No.17864358 Report

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So ghost neutrality I feel is justifiable, but can someone explain to me how dark is neutral? It was always seemed me that dark meant "fighting dirty" but good luck kicking someone in full plate in the nuts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:43:27 No.17864371 Report

Quoted By: >>17864630

>>17864249
It would make more sense as a smogon rule if it was like "your team can't have any pokemon with shared resistances among any of your team members" or something like that.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:55:52 No.17864579 Report

Quoted By: >>17864717 >>17864765 >>17864866

>>17864354
>Grass type buff
>immune to powders and leech seed
>comes mostly from grass types
>they can't use powder moves as freely anymore
Is it a buff or a nerf? I don't understand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:58:05 No.17864630 Report

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>>17864371
of course, it would make even more sense if the rule was "if you fight a smogon staff using aegislash you must only use it against a pokemon that resists anything from aegislash"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:59:13 No.17864656 Report

Quoted By: >>17864705 >>17864713

Psychic and electric should be SE against steel, and fighting neutral or NVE.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 20:59:55 No.17864674 Report

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Yes. Because Steel is supposed to be the universal defensive type.

Hope it doesn't end up like the Psychic type/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 21:01:12 No.17864699 Report

Quoted By:

>>17864354
Removing steel's resistance to those three types would be a start

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 21:01:21 No.17864705 Report

Quoted By:

>>17864656
I could see electric doing something but neutral is enough, but why psychic?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 21:01:46 No.17864713 Report

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>>17864656
>Psychic should be SE against steel

Steel was made to nerf Psychics in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 21:02:16 No.17864717 Report

Quoted By: >>17864742 >>17864811

>>17864579
>Spore
coming from smeargle, now they just need a pokemon type that resists sleep attempts, maybe fairy so darkrai can go get fucked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 21:03:42 No.17864742 Report

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>>17864717
There are already Pokemon with an ability that makes them immune to sleep. I mean, the vast majority of them are shit, but they exist. Primeape counters Darkrai, at least, but is otherwise pretty bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 21:04:53 No.17864765 Report

Quoted By: >>17864811

>>17864579
I would say overall it's a buff, because to counteract an opposing grass type's powders you need a grass type yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 21:08:02 No.17864811 Report

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>>17864717
We have abilities like Vital Spirit though, its a shame not a lot of good things get it.
>>17864765
Yeah but the fact that you need a grass type to counter a grass type would just make it a sort of neutral again since it just checks itself, right? Barring Smeargle with Spore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 21:11:41 No.17864866 Report

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>>17864579
Its both. it wasn't even necessary

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 21:17:12 No.17864948 Report

Quoted By: >>17864993 >>17865117

>>17864312
>tfw I still remember this
imo the most retarded smogon ban to date

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 21:20:14 No.17864993 Report

Quoted By: >>17865117

>>17864948
Precisely, that's when I got the impression that they just suspect and/or ban something they have the misfortune of losing too much against, like, having a really bad day against a certain mon is their only motivation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 21:23:17 No.17865037 Report

Quoted By: >>17865083 >>17865103 >>17865334

Poor bronzong and metagross, they are useless as shit this gen now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 21:25:42 No.17865083 Report

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>>17865037
Don't they still have insane defenses and screens?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 21:26:53 No.17865103 Report

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>>17865037
see:>>17864334

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 21:27:43 No.17865117 Report

Quoted By:

>>17864948
>>17864993
Mence ban was totally justified.

Mence and Chomp were the two most centralizing forces of DPPt Metagame. They're the only reason I even carried by banded Mamoswine, considering that was the only reliable counter to them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 21:39:52 No.17865334 Report

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>>17865037

Metagross is good with assault vest in ubers

+2 Xerneas moonblast doesn't 2hko

meteor mash+Bullet Punch does.
Delicious chunk damage on MewtwoY too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 23:23:32 No.17867367 Report

Quoted By: >>17867409

>>17864334
whats a good EV spread for weakness policy metagross?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2014 23:25:52 No.17867409 Report

Quoted By:

>>17867367
252 speed/252 attack/4hp

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