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Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:27:47 No.17890185 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>17890408 >>17890432 >>17890472 >>17890542 >>17890595 >>17891154

>you should use your favorites regardless of how bad they are
>you can't use that pokemon because it's too strong!

Karenfag logic. If I want to use Rotom Wash, I will. Look at this happy motherfucker.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:30:38 No.17890226 Report

Quoted By: >>17890291

>starting a thread just to project

Pretty sure you're the only fag here OP. But thanks for letting us know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:30:42 No.17890229 Report

Quoted By: >>17890262

>tfw your fav is Giratina

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:32:43 No.17890262 Report

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>>17890229
USE IT NIGGA. IN FACT, USE 6! FUCK SPECIES CLAUSE

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:33:47 No.17890286 Report

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I wouldn't say happy motherfucker as much as I'd say smug motherfucker

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:34:02 No.17890291 Report

Quoted By: >>17890392

>>17890226
You're so new.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:40:12 No.17890392 Report

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>>17890291

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:41:23 No.17890408 Report

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>>17890185
They then tell you it's objectively ugly and you never actually liked it or some shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:42:51 No.17890432 Report

Quoted By: >>17890452

>>17890185
>you can't use that pokemon because it's too strong!
I don't think I've ever heard a karenfag say that. Smogon on the other hand...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:42:57 No.17890435 Report

Quoted By: >>17890456 >>17890507

Confessions thread?
i legitimately like genesect and think it looks awesome but i don't use it because people will label me as a "filthy smogonfag"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:44:00 No.17890452 Report

Quoted By: >>17890501

>>17890432
see >>17888304

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:44:14 No.17890456 Report

Quoted By: >>17890487

>>17890435
Of course! Because the worst thing in the world is being called a filthy smogonfag by some rando on the internet.

Just use him if you like him

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:45:14 No.17890472 Report

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>>17890185
>you should use your favorites regardless of how bad they are
Assuming they aren't novelty pokemon, pretty much anything is viable in UU. So if you have a few favorites in UU, why not use them in UU?

>you can't use that pokemon because it's too strong!
Are you sure you're not confusing this line with "Holy shit why do you just use the exact same team of 6 that literally everyone else uses?"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:46:18 No.17890487 Report

Quoted By: >>17890521 >>17890548 >>17890557

>>17890456
i-i'm sorry it's just that most of /vp/ is like this

too bad it'll be banned to ubers soon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:47:16 No.17890501 Report

Quoted By: >>17890534

>>17890452
He's not even arguing "You shouldn't use a Pokemon because it's strong"
He's just saying that you're badly trying to justify using the most overused pokemon ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:47:40 No.17890507 Report

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>>17890435
Hey man.
Genesect is cool as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:47:48 No.17890510 Report

Quoted By: >>17890536 >>17890551 >>17891470

My favorites are Starmie and Wailord.
Wailord is so shit that I can't use him and Starmie is outclassed so I don't get to use it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:48:30 No.17890521 Report

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>>17890487
Don't worry, most of the people like that are just filthy hipster randos who just need to git gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:49:28 No.17890534 Report

Quoted By: >>17890559

>>17890501
He's arguing "You wouldn't use your favorite if it wasn't OU".

And he said that anyone who likes Genesect (and probably any other OU pokemon) has "shit taste".

How can you defend this guy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:49:31 No.17890536 Report

Quoted By: >>17890547

>>17890510
>Wailord
>Shit
Nigga choice specs and water spout. Fuck shit up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:49:53 No.17890542 Report

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>>17890185
Doesn't that make you a Karenfag too? Karenfags use the pokemon they like best, if your favorite happens to be powerful all the better.

As a karenfag (I guess) I only use what I like, but beyond that I don't really give a shit. I don't play to win because I know I probably won't if I'm using my favs.

But sometimes my keckleon swagger + psych up + shadow sneak combo work, and winning with your bro is the best feeling

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:50:19 No.17890547 Report

Quoted By: >>17890567

>>17890536
Nigga priority runs rampant and it aint hitting for jack shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:50:21 No.17890548 Report

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>>17890487
The vocal minority of /vp/ are just hipsters that like to praise underappreciated Pokemons and bash on popular Pokemon.

Pay no attention to them

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:50:33 No.17890551 Report

Quoted By: >>17890612 >>17891470

>>17890510
>tfw MegaBlastoise
Can Starmie even stay in UU?

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Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:51:02 No.17890557 Report

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>>17890487
>Trying to "fit in" with a some loud /vp/ minority

Nothing is more pathetic

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:51:05 No.17890559 Report

Quoted By: >>17890637

>>17890534
No he's not, he's arguing "It's not actually your favorite, you're just saying that because you feel the need to have an excuse for using him"

I'm not even defending him I'm just saying you don't know how to read.
Either way it doesn't equate to "you can't use that pokemon because it's too strong!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:52:07 No.17890567 Report

Quoted By: >>17890597

>>17890547
Use it to wreck shit in UU then. Priority aint really a problem there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:53:50 No.17890595 Report

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>>17890185
Mah nigga, Rotom's the best, Heat form's not too shabby either though but wash is where it's at.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:53:51 No.17890597 Report

Quoted By: >>17890714 >>17891097

>>17890567
>UU
>tiers
I don't play with my favorites because in the real world there are no tiers that are enforced by GF or Nintendo online. There is only the ladder and not some fucked up smogon bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:54:43 No.17890612 Report

Quoted By: >>17890712

>>17890551
Starmie is good for things other than spinning at least.

Plenty of people would also much rather use Megardevoir (who is stronger) and Mega Medicham (who is way, way stronger.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:55:43 No.17890637 Report

Quoted By: >>17890682

>>17890559
Right, and by saying that you're only saying that you like something so you can still use it, he's implying that you can't legitimately like an OU pokemon (most of which have pretty cool designs, by the way), which basically equates to "You can't use pokemon you like because it's too strong! You don't even like it because it's too strong!" the latter is much worse.

Please stop insulting me and try to understand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:58:12 No.17890682 Report

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>>17890637
>He said you can't legitimately like the design on one specific OU Pokemon, which means you can't like the design of any OU Pokemon!"

Plus those two things don't equate to each other whatsoever. I have no clue how you took the massive leap from "You don't like it's design" to "You actually do like it but shouldn't use it because it's strong"
I think you're legitimately just trying to fuck with me at this point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 02:59:56 No.17890712 Report

Quoted By: >>17890771 >>17890794

>>17890612
>>17890612
>Starmie is good for things other than spinning at least
I'm pretty sure it's outclassed for most of those things. 115 speed isn't as impressive as it used to be and Starmie actually has lower attacking stats than some walls.
Also, Starmie won't feel safe in the tier where there's a MegaManectric is on every team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:00:04 No.17890714 Report

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>>17890597
That's fine and all but you don't have to be such a massive faggot about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:03:32 No.17890771 Report

Quoted By: >>17890866

>>17890712
Mega Manectric isn't that common; it's at 6.1% usage, whereas Blastoise, Medicham and Gardevoir all have ~10%.

115 is still really fast, and while it doesn't have particularly high SpA it still has analytic, which lets it get a huge boost when it forces a switch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:04:51 No.17890794 Report

Quoted By: >>17890866

>>17890712
>Starmie actually has lower attacking stats

Analytic

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:09:48 No.17890866 Report

Quoted By: >>17890974

>>17890771
>>17890794
All the three megas you mentioned tank any of LO Starmie's hits while OHKOing in return.

If the opponent's switching from Starmie, it's probably going to be into a Blissey or something, making the one-time Analytic boost pretty meaningless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:15:24 No.17890974 Report

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>>17890866
Medicham loses almost all of its health from Hydro Pump, but yeah Blastoise and Gardevoir are just too specially bulky.

If it's going to be spinnan in UU, Chansey doesn't matter, LO Analytic Hydro Pump or Ice Beam gets rid of pretty much any relevant spinblocker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:22:22 No.17891097 Report

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>>17890597
Kind of unrelated but I don't see why people make a big deal over which metagame is actually official. Unless you actually plan on playing in the actual Nintendo-hosted tournaments then quite frankly it doesn't really matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:23:00 No.17891114 Report

Quoted By: >>17891186 >>17891224 >>17891252 >>17891267 >>17891358 >>17891650

I think what most people object to is:

>But ______ IS my favorite! He's my favorite because he's strong!

This stupid logic.

Smogonfags have made the metagame awesome and then absolutely shitty at the same time. It's always the same OU Pokemon every match you play. Nobody is there just using a totally off-the-wall team, everyone's gotta be using the same old same old

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:24:53 No.17891150 Report

Quoted By: >>17891224

my buddy annoys me with his karenfag mindset. the reason i call it that is because he doesn't even use mons that he likes, he uses someone because no one uses it

>wants to use greninja
>won't use protean because "thats too broken"
>wants to use gardevoir
>doesn't use mega waifu because "its too powerful"
>wants to use ageislash
>can't use it because "everyone else does too"

like he tries to make UU/NU/RU pokemon into OU and fails every time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:25:10 No.17891154 Report

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>>17890185
>you can't use that pokemon because it's too strong!
You have Karenfags totally wrong. There's a difference between actually using what you like, and just using a Pokemon because he's good and the second he gets banned from OU or whatever, you throw it away.

Use Rotom-W if you want and you like him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:26:20 No.17891186 Report

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>>17891114
Just out of curiosity, why is it bad to like something because it's strong?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:28:17 No.17891224 Report

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>>17891114
If you don't like lack of diversity go play UU. There's a lot more diversity there. Or just stick to cartridge.

This gen is actually fairly diverse, all things considered. Certainly way more diverse than weather wars.

>>17891150
Go tell him that Mega Waifu is way weaker than the top megas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:29:55 No.17891252 Report

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>>17891114
I would bet any amount of money that it would be like that even WITHOUT Smogon, it'd just be everyone using Ubermons as opposed to OU: The Team: The Movie: The Game Part 3

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:30:26 No.17891267 Report

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>>17891114
>This stupid logic.

You can't like things that are effective?

That's like saying you shouldn't like E-Mail over Fax

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Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:31:18 No.17891286 Report

Quoted By: >>17891320

>MFW I play with my favorites
>By getting perfect versions of them and making them competitively viable

Current Team: Crustle
Exploud
Golem
Swoobat
Hypno
Flygon

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Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:32:49 No.17891313 Report

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>mfw all of my favorites are actually good this gen

Thanks Knock Off

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:33:13 No.17891320 Report

Quoted By:

>>17891286
>Hypno

Good taste, he's got a cute fuzzy neck thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:34:59 No.17891358 Report

Quoted By:

>>17891114
That's not Smogon's fault.
The problem is people who have no idea how to read Smogon's tiers.
OU isn't a collection of the best Pokemon. It's a collection of the most popular Pokemon. OU is a checklist you have to go over when making your team and a list of threats you must account for.
The problem is a large portion of people think OU actually stands for the best Pokemon. There is some merit to thinking that the best things would be the most used but it's deceptive. This creates a trap where some people will use things merely because they're OU, creating a loop where a bad Pokemon is wrongfully placed in OU because people use it because they see it in the OU tier. The most blatant example of this was Electivire in DPPt.

This mindset is the same on /vp/, several "pro-Smogon" posters think that OU is the cream of the crop. Let's not kid ourselves, if you let somebody see the opponent's entire team in advance you can easily counterpick an OU team using only Pokemon in lower tiers. Smogon's only problem is they made everyone have easy access to data that it's very easy to misinterpret.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:40:37 No.17891470 Report

Quoted By: >>17891716 >>17891736

>>17890510
>>17890551
Guys, I'm about 1500 up on the ladder (not great I know, but I've been laddering for the last week and I know the metagame very well) and I use Starmie as my main spinner. He's not outclassed at all by Excadrill and here's the reason:

>The main reason to Rapid Spin is because you have SR weak teammates. By definition at least one or more Pokes in your team is weak to Rock. Excadrill has weakness to ground - which makes your team extremely weak to QuakeEdge combo (cough LandT cough). Hence Excadrill have bad synergy with rock weak pokes. Also Trevenant cockblock the shit out of Excadrill.

>Analytic boosted Hydro Pump hits like a truck on the switch. For example standard Scarf/E-Belt Genesect is OHKO'd by Hydro Pump on the switch. Starmie also outspeeds and reliably beat every single spinblocker as long as you predict to hit them on the switch.

>Finally Starmie checks on Mega Venusaur and Mega Lucario who doesn't carry E-speed (the special one and the physical one with bullet punch - e.g. more common one)

I don't know whether Starmie will stay OU or not in this Gen, but it is definitely not outclassed by Excadrill - it serves a slightly different purposes. Just like Aamongus last gen, just because its not OU doesn't mean it is unusable in OU. For god's sake Terrakion's usage is UU now

> if you want to Rapid Spin RELIABLY, M-Blastoise>Excadrill>Starmie

>If you want to wallbreak and rapid spin in your mean time (so your team wasn't 100% reliant on spinner), then Starmie>Excadrill for walbreaking, revenge killing, and luring purposes

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Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:49:55 No.17891650 Report

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>>17891114
VGC is even more centralized than Smogon OU.

What a double standard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:52:23 No.17891716 Report

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>>17891470
>He's not outclassed at all by Excadrill and here's the reason
Nobody said it was and Starmie is genderless.

Also, have some calcs!
252 SpA Life Orb Analytic Starmie Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Jellicent: 192-229 (47.5 - 56.6%) -- 33.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Don't forget that Thunderbolt won't be boosted the second time, and Jellicent can just recover off T-Bolts while you whittle away your own health through Life Orb damage.

252 SpA Life Orb Analytic Starmie Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Trevenant: 226-268 (60.4 - 71.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Sitrus berry leaves Trevenant at 59-70% HP where it can shrug off non-analytic boosted Ice Beams while OHKOing with Horn Leech/Shadow Claw/etc.

>Starmie checks on Mega Venusaur
252 SpA Life Orb Starmie Psychic vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Venusaur: 273-322 (75 - 88.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Even using the rare Psychic against a MegaVenusaur not fully invested in special bulk won't kill it while Venusaur gets a clean OHKO with Giga Drain.

MegaBlastoise can reliably 2HKO any spinblocker with Dark Pulse.
Excadrill and Starmie aren't exactly comparable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2014 03:53:44 No.17891736 Report

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>>17891470
I'm about 1500 too.

What is that converted to the old ladder, because I was around 1800 then, and I'm running into much stronger people.

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