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Anonymous Sun 09 Feb 2014 03:22:51 No.17930048 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>17930196 >>17930388 >>17932013

Someone explain to me why this thing isn't at least UU now with its new typing and defog? It's got a shallow movepool sure, but it has almost perfect coverage with dazzling gleam and can even use fire blast to destroy steels. It's a slightly less bulky porygon2 with actual resists/immunities and real utility with defog.

Togetic @Eviolite
Modest 252 HP/252 Spa/4 SpD
Defog
Roost
Dazzling Gleam
Fire Blast

Am I crazy, or is this thing incredibly good this gen?

Cage(3067-5050-7038)

Cage(3067-5050-7038) Sun 09 Feb 2014 03:25:39 No.17930104 Report

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Cause most people play Serene Grace Faggotry

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Feb 2014 03:31:04 No.17930196 Report

Quoted By: >>17930415

>>17930048
>It's a slightly less bulky porygon2
> Porygon 2 defense stats: 85/90/95
> Togetic defense stats: 55/85/105
Notice the huge HP difference.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Feb 2014 03:36:08 No.17930278 Report

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it really needs toxic, but you'd have to lose fire blast and it really really needs it to deal with steels

besides the obvious scizor/genesect/ferro/forret OHKOs, it can take a hit from every one of these steels and do this back:

252+ SpA Togetic Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Lucario: 254-300 (90.3 - 106.7%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Togetic Fire Blast vs. 32 HP / 0 SpD Bisharp: 256-302 (91.7 - 108.2%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Togetic Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Skarmory: 256-302 (76.6 - 90.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Togetic Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Klefki: 214-252 (67.2 - 79.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Togetic Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Mawile: 198-234 (65.1 - 76.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Togetic Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Filter Mega Aggron: 171-202 (49.7 - 58.7%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Togetic Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Excadrill: 272-320 (75.1 - 88.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Togetic Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Jirachi: 190-224 (55.7 - 65.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Togetic Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 134-158 (41.3 - 48.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

seems decent enough to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Feb 2014 03:43:24 No.17930388 Report

Quoted By: >>17930724

>>17930048
>significantly less HP than Porygon2
>significantly worse attacking stats than Porygon2
>ability is useless as a defensive wall

Defog is all it's got going for it, and there are better defoggers given that everything got it in gen4

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Feb 2014 03:44:31 No.17930415 Report

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>>17930196
30 HP is pretty huge, but it's main selling point is having a solid eviolite tank it has 50% dark resist, 75% fighting resist, ground immunity and dragon immunity on top of the ability to defog. I think a support set with toxic/thunder wave would be better though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Feb 2014 03:46:26 No.17930457 Report

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Because Togekiss is still better even with Eviolite. Togetic isn't like Porygon2 or Chansey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Feb 2014 03:51:35 No.17930553 Report

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It's a decent special wall, but it's setup bait for almost everything in UU or higher since it only has 2 move slots to work with besides defog/roost. There are so many good defog users out there now, I doubt it is even useful in RU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Feb 2014 04:02:08 No.17930724 Report

Quoted By: >>17930763 >>17930775

>>17930388
Try
>Dazzling Gleam
>Nasty Plot
>Baton Pass
>Roost

Hard to kill and can pass away the boosts at the first sight of danger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Feb 2014 04:02:43 No.17930735 Report

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outclassed by golbat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Feb 2014 04:04:49 No.17930763 Report

Quoted By: >>17930805

>>17930724
>40 base speed

I guess that could be an advantage, but really what are you forcing out with a fucking togetic that will let you get a nasty plot boost and baton pass?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Feb 2014 04:05:31 No.17930775 Report

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>>17930724

But then why not togekiss?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Feb 2014 04:08:02 No.17930805 Report

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>>17930763
it's one of the best aegislash counters in the game unless it runs iron head or flash cannon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Feb 2014 05:21:10 No.17932013 Report

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>>17930048
>Not using Mandibuzz
Defog
Roost
Foul Play
Toxic

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