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Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:19:25 No.18339295 View View Reply Original Report

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ITT:
Bros that we want to be competitively viable. What's their names, /vp/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:21:12 No.18339310 Report

Quoted By: >>18339322 >>18339323

I just want to see Chesnaught get Drain Punch.
Is that too much to ask for?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:21:41 No.18339314 Report

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Gamefreak please stop being assholes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:22:31 No.18339322 Report

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>>18339310
that'd make so much sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:22:42 No.18339323 Report

Quoted By: >>18339339 >>18339346 >>18339359

>>18339295
It can be viable depending on if you can use it well.
I heard somebody made it to #1 on the OU ladder with Arbok on his team.
>>18339310
Synthesis/Leech Seed not enough, niqqa?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:24:11 No.18339339 Report

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>>18339323
Instead of running 2 recovery moves you could use a recovery move that does STAB damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:25:11 No.18339346 Report

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>>18339323
It gets all the moves it needs in Coil, Gunk Shot, Sucker Punch, and earthquake, but it just doesn't have the stats to back it up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:26:19 No.18339359 Report

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>>18339323
Drain Punch would let Chesnaught run an AV set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:28:03 No.18339368 Report

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>>18339346
A MegaEvo might help if it added 55 to the base Attack, 20 to the base Defense and 30 to the base Speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:29:46 No.18339382 Report

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>>18339346
Yeah. One person using it effectively (honestly I'd like to see the rest of his team) does not mean it's viable. It could use the Mega boost, lol. Maybe a Prankster?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:29:48 No.18339383 Report

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>>18339295
My bro isn't a piece of data

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Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:30:22 No.18339388 Report

Quoted By: >>18339431

Introduced in the same gen as Reuniclus which can do most of the same things, but better. :(

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:30:23 No.18339389 Report

Quoted By: >>18339876

Humans

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:30:47 No.18339396 Report

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>>18339368
I though Megas only boosted stats by 100...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:31:51 No.18339404 Report

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>>18339396
My mistake, add 50 to the base Attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:34:28 No.18339427 Report

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>>18339404
Then it would be a fucking beast. 135 base attack? Defense boost would be good too. And 110 speed is doable. One coil and it would be unstoppable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:34:29 No.18339428 Report

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Exploud is *this* close to being good.
Gf please make it tankier

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:35:08 No.18339431 Report

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>>18339388
Perhaps a bulky AV set with Analytic? A bit niche and it lacks moves, but at least you'll find a use for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:36:49 No.18339453 Report

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>>18339427
It would make sense too, seeing as cobras are incredibly venomous and swift. They wouldn't even need to give it a special ability, Intimidate would do just fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:39:58 No.18339486 Report

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>>18339453
Agreed though if you ask me, Arbok is just made for Prankster. Glare? Coil?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:40:12 No.18339491 Report

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Flare Boss Lysandre !2DrkZFLarE

Flare Boss Lysandre !2DrkZFLarE Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:48:36 No.18339574 Report

Quoted By: >>18339597 >>18340085

Beedrill.

Come on, man. I'd even take Vespiquen at this point. I just want my buggy brethren to be useful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:51:16 No.18339597 Report

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>>18339574
> I just want my buggy brethren to be useful.

Iktf

GF seem to have it in for bug pokemon which ironic given the game is based of bug hunting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:52:49 No.18339621 Report

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>>18339597
Gen 5 did some great things for Bug-types.
Then Gen 6 reversed it by introducing yet another type it's useless against...
Gamefreak pls, make up your minds about bugs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:52:51 No.18339622 Report

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>>18339491

Bitch do you even Fake Out + Normal Gem + Unburden

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:54:36 No.18339646 Report

Quoted By: >>18339694 >>18339715

This badass right here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 19:58:32 No.18339694 Report

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>>18339646

Harvest with Sunny Day support can turn it into a poor man's Trevenant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:00:01 No.18339705 Report

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>>18339622
that actually sounds like a good plan

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:00:34 No.18339711 Report

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>>18339705
It's a pretty standard set.

Flare Boss Lysandre !2DrkZFLarE

Flare Boss Lysandre !2DrkZFLarE Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:00:35 No.18339712 Report

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>>18339597
T-They don't even have to be THAT good, I just would like to see Beedrill get some love.

Fell Stinger is kind of cool, but it won't survive long enough to use it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:00:52 No.18339715 Report

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>>18339646
Dont worry man, i always use Tropius on my teams, Fly/Cut/Strength/Rock Smash

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Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:03:38 No.18339746 Report

Quoted By: >>18339766 >>18339802

Why are Drain Punch and Protean incompatible? Oh, why? It's just not fair.

Assault Vest with DP/Knock Off/Shadow Sneak/filler would've been astounding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:06:03 No.18339766 Report

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>>18339746
We'll just have to wait until tutors become available in the next games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:09:26 No.18339802 Report

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>>18339746
>>18339766
Or you could just PokéGen one with those moves.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:10:01 No.18339810 Report

Quoted By: >>18339948

c'mon.
also, more good bugs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:10:14 No.18339816 Report

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>>18339802
But aren't illegal combinations like that banned from online use? Like they can't be traded or battled with?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:14:56 No.18339876 Report

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>>18339389
The "Oppenheimer" moveset on humans was actually so nasty that they themselves banned it from use. I'm talking "makes Giga Impact look like a limp-wristed slap" kind of nasty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:16:36 No.18339897 Report

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Armaldo

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Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:19:06 No.18339932 Report

Quoted By: >>18339971

Even a Mega wouldn't save mustache beetle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:20:13 No.18339942 Report

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>>18339802

Wouldn't matter, it'd be a brick.

Flare Boss Lysandre !2DrkZFLarE

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Flare Boss Lysandre !2DrkZFLarE Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:20:35 No.18339948 Report

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>>18339810
this a billion times.

I just- I love bees, okay?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:22:26 No.18339971 Report

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>>18339932
Not even if it gave it Prankster and boosted its bulk?

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Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:23:00 No.18339978 Report

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Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:23:47 No.18339991 Report

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Parasect.
Permarain returning when?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:24:26 No.18340006 Report

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>>18339694
Trevenant has good attack. I thought about this in a stall set similar, but my choices for attack are Air Slash (Not horrible, but bad with Tropius' SpA) or Leaf Blade (Grass Stab? No thanks.)

>>18339715
This one hurt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:25:16 No.18340019 Report

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>>18339991
>permaweather
>return

Oh fuck no

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:25:46 No.18340022 Report

Quoted By: >>18340040 >>18340049 >>18340061

Why must his typing be so bad?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:27:11 No.18340040 Report

Quoted By: >>18340057 >>18340097

>>18340022
It's worled well enough for Gyarados, how come it doesn't work for Mantine?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:27:50 No.18340049 Report

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>>18340022
What are you talking about fool that's a great type combination. The weaknesses to Electric and Rock are easily patched up by a bulky Ground type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:28:12 No.18340057 Report

Quoted By: >>18340084

>>18340040
no recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:28:26 No.18340061 Report

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>>18340022
water/flying isn't that bad

The reason he sucks is no roost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:29:45 No.18340084 Report

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>>18340057
>Water Absorb
>Aqua Ring

two forms of recovery Gyara doesn't get.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:29:54 No.18340085 Report

Quoted By: >>18345304

>>18339574
How to Fix Beedrill.

>Add some speed
>Give it technician or tough claws
>Let it learn Swords dance.

With tough claws it could learn Fell Stinger, Poison Jab, U turn and swords dance and be pretty strong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:30:46 No.18340097 Report

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>>18340040
Because its typing is not the issue. Gyarados works because it puts out a ton of damage and pressures your opponent to get rid of it. Mantine just sorta sits there and gets shot in the face. Mantine's SpDef is great, but other than that its stats are shit.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:31:37 No.18340111 Report

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Two of my favorite types. Interesting concept. Nice ability.

Too bad anyone with half a brain can kill him before he does anything.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:36:47 No.18340183 Report

Quoted By: >>18340231 >>18340298 >>18340400 >>18345128

I thought a good way to make Golem workable is go give it a Mega form.

>+50 attack
>+50 speed
>Fire/Ground
>Ability: Magma Core - turns all normal type moves to fire type and boosts them by 10%.

You start of sturdy, use a rock polish to increase speed then use Mega form to either sweep with a fire rock climb and an earthquake.

Or finish whatever you want off with a fire typed empowered explosion

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:38:51 No.18340213 Report

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>no bulk
>terrible speed not even good for trick room
>no moves
>mediocre offenses
I bet whoever gave it its stats and moves hated the guy that designed Matactus.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:40:34 No.18340231 Report

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>>18340183
> empowered STAB fire type explosion coming off of 170 base attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:45:59 No.18340298 Report

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>>18340183
I can dig it. It'd take up a Mega slot, but at least with Explosion you could go out with a pretty powerful bang before being taken out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:50:04 No.18340335 Report

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>>18340298
It'd become a Lucario hardcounter. no doubt.

With no residual damage you could pop in as normal golem, fire of Explode with a mega evolve and tank a super hit with sturdy.

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Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:52:49 No.18340360 Report

Quoted By: >>18340390 >>18340393 >>18344683

If only it was faster

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:55:50 No.18340390 Report

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>>18340360
>tfw
;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:55:57 No.18340393 Report

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>>18340360
I use one with a choice scarf that works well, trick lets it shut down predicted switch ins to things that wall it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:56:34 No.18340400 Report

Quoted By: >>18340413

>>18340183
>Magma Core
>not Immolate

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:57:41 No.18340413 Report

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>>18340400
Immolate sounds cooler, but I thought it'd fix thematically more if it was like a Lava ball.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Mar 2014 20:59:51 No.18340433 Report

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>>18340413
I can imagine it now, flames spurting out of the now glowing cracks in Golem's shell with magma overflowing out of the main orifaces for the arms, legs and head much like the sand in Hippowdon's Gen 4 sprites.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 02:11:22 No.18344575 Report

Quoted By: >>18344594 >>18344779

BASTIODON

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 02:12:21 No.18344594 Report

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>>18344575
this bro right the fuck here

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 02:16:43 No.18344683 Report

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>>18340360
>he's never given Z sticky web support
I've won countless games with that shit

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Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 02:20:52 No.18344754 Report

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Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 02:21:09 No.18344759 Report

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NIGGER YOUR MOOVPOOL IS AMAZING, I LOVE YOU SO MUCH
WHY CAN'T YOU JUST NOT BE THE EMBODIMENT OF SLOW?

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Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 02:22:02 No.18344779 Report

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>>18344575
YES
BEST FOSSIL

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 02:43:16 No.18345128 Report

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>>18340183
The only way I've ever been able to use Golem competitively is as a hazard setting suicide lead. He's too vulnerable for anything else with his common weaknesses.

I'd like his mega to get an ability called fall out that causes sand storm when it self destructs. It'd be a great lead for sand teams.

>Set out your sneaky pebbles 1st turn.
>Sturdy keeps him alive in most cases.
>Mega evolve.
>Self destruct/Explosion.
>Probably kill whatever pokemon your opponent has out.
>Sand storm starts.
>Send in pokemon to exploit the weather.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 02:51:08 No.18345304 Report

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>>18340085
So you're basically saying we'd have to turn it into scyther to be viable, right?

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