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Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:17:43 No.18342750 View View Reply Original Report

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ITT: Suggest ways Game Freak can make NFE Pokémon more viable

Since the release of Eviolite, it has given NFE Pokemon an edge. How do we improve on that idea?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:19:16 No.18342773 Report

Quoted By: >>18342794 >>18342853

A way to evolve Pokemon while retaining the looks of the prevo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:19:20 No.18342774 Report

Quoted By: >>18342794 >>18342853 >>18342883 >>18343020 >>18343726 >>18346924

Evolution Stone
You use it on a NFE pokemon they gain the stats of their fully evolved form and lose the ability to use eviolite and to actually evolve.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:20:31 No.18342794 Report

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>>18342773
>>18342774

Evo-stats mind

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:23:07 No.18342837 Report

Quoted By: >>18342843

NFE get one extra moveslot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:23:42 No.18342843 Report

Quoted By: >>18342905

>>18342837
It shouldn't make full evo Pokemon useless though

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:24:33 No.18342853 Report

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>>18342773
>>18342774
I'd love the fuck out of that. Would make the game more varied in appearance at least.

NZimmer !WABCAFs6Hg

NZimmer !WABCAFs6Hg Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:26:28 No.18342883 Report

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>>18342774
>use it on a Riolu
>Prankster Lucario

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:27:46 No.18342905 Report

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>>18342843
it's not useless because full evo get 10% boost of their moves power

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:28:05 No.18342912 Report

Quoted By: >>18342924 >>18342926 >>18342933

how about you just evolve your pokemon and stop being so attached to their weak forms? evoiolite was nice enough to you fags who hate FEP, so shut up and be happy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:29:15 No.18342924 Report

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>>18342912
but i really really leik mudkipz!!!!!

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Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:29:25 No.18342926 Report

Quoted By: >>18342981 >>18343006 >>18344061

>>18342912
Porygon2, what did they do you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:29:53 No.18342933 Report

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>>18342853
It could also change things up a little in that some prevos have different abilities than the fully evolved. I don't if any of the former are better than the latter, b--

>Vigoroth

hmm.

>>18342912
It's not just about "being attached to their weak forms," it has the potential to expand the meta a bit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:33:24 No.18342981 Report

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>>18342926
yea thats about the only pokemon i actually like its PEF more. porygon z is really dumb looking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:34:59 No.18343006 Report

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>>18342926
Made it cool and funny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:35:12 No.18343011 Report

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>>18342981
u wot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:35:36 No.18343020 Report

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>>18342774
Murkrow would be pretty ballin if this was implented.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:35:51 No.18343027 Report

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>>18343006
BAZINGA

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:36:40 No.18343033 Report

Quoted By: >>18343308

give eviolite a further boost if the pokemon has two evolutions above it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:39:28 No.18343066 Report

Quoted By: >>18343598

Make variants of Eviolite (one that boosts Atk and SpA, etc).

Make it a useable item rather than a held one.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:47:39 No.18343171 Report

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Hasn't Raichu suffered enough OP?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:52:20 No.18343242 Report

Quoted By: >>18343280

Make two other variations of the eviolite: one that boosts the attack stats, and one that boosts speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:54:10 No.18343280 Report

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>>18343242
One variation that boosts HP

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:54:33 No.18343286 Report

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I wish eviolite never existed. It's why we got shit like megas instead of actual proper evolutions like in gen 4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 00:56:03 No.18343308 Report

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>>18343033
I'm surprised this isn't the case already, since a lot of the anime characters use 1st form pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 01:15:14 No.18343598 Report

Quoted By: >>18343684 >>18343703

>>18343066
>Attackiolite Zweilous
>Attackiolite Scyther
No fucking thank you. I'd like to see Eviolite give a +2/+2 to first stage (of 3) mons though. I'm on mobile, anyone care to check if +2 Porygon is bulkier than +1 Porygon2?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 01:20:18 No.18343684 Report

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>>18343598
252+ SpA Deoxys-A Psycho Boost vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite[x2] Porygon: 124-147 (37.1 - 44%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Deoxys-A Psycho Boost vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Porygon2: 160-189 (42.7 - 50.5%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO

252+ Atk Deoxys-A Superpower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite[x2] Porygon: 148-176 (44.3 - 52.6%) -- 23% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Deoxys-A Superpower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 190-224 (50.8 - 59.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 01:21:23 No.18343703 Report

Quoted By: >>18343793

>>18343598
Porygon with hypothetical double Eviolite
>65/140/150 defenses with a relatively bad 85 SpA
Porygon2 with Eviolite
>85/135/143 defenses and a usable 105 SpA
20 base HP is much more valuable than 5/7 extra defenses, plus an extra 20 SpA makes pory2 not just bulkier but more generally effective than Porygon. However, those defenses would be utterly godlike in LC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 01:22:37 No.18343726 Report

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>>18342774
>Sheer force Salamence

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 01:22:38 No.18343727 Report

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Kind of sucks that, in buffing knock off, they severely nerfed NFE pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 01:25:19 No.18343793 Report

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>>18343703
Eviolite multiplies by the stat itself, not the base stat. The same applies to Huge Power and boosting moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 01:25:44 No.18343805 Report

Quoted By: >>18343892

>>18343684
Did you calculate that as Eviolite and a +1 or as +2 with no item? Eviolite stacks differently with a +x modifier (100 Defense with 2 cosmic powers = 200 Defense, 100 Defense with 1 cosmic power = 225 Defense). A +2 with no item is the right way to calc a double Eviolite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 01:28:33 No.18343867 Report

Quoted By: >>18343984

>>18343793
What's the effective base Def/SpD for Porygon2 with Eviolite?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 01:29:47 No.18343892 Report

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>>18343805
I assumed that the Double Eviolite would boost the stat by 50%, and then boost the resulting stat by 50%. I didn't think that it would work in the same way that stat boosts do.
252+ Atk Deoxys-A Superpower vs. +2 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Porygon: 112-132 (33.5 - 39.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Deoxys-A Psycho Boost vs. +2 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Porygon: 93-111 (27.8 - 33.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 01:34:30 No.18343975 Report

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>>18343892
Eviolite wouldn't apply itself twice, it would just function as +2 instead of +1. It seems like the difference between 2.25x and 2x is enough to give your Porygon an edge over P2 in certain situations, but if it's 2x it's never worth using over Porygon2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 01:35:02 No.18343984 Report

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>>18343867
144 Defence and 152 Special Defence.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 01:39:09 No.18344061 Report

Quoted By: >>18344685

>>18342926
>not liking Porygon-Z

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 02:16:50 No.18344685 Report

Quoted By: >>18348625

>>18344061
>having pleb tastes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 03:39:25 No.18346143 Report

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bump

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Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 04:37:08 No.18346924 Report

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>>18342774
>vital spirit slaking

Finally, the beast has awakened!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Mar 2014 07:18:35 No.18348625 Report

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>>18344685
Pleb taste would be thinking Porygon-Z ruined the line, because casual plebs tend to put gen 1 & 2 on a pedestal.

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