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Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:01:09 No.18400945 View View Reply Original Report

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Hey /vp/
Can we discuss the strengths and weaknesses of these two birds and which one is subjectively better?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:01:53 No.18400951 Report

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Doduo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:02:25 No.18400957 Report

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They both suck, roughly equally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:02:41 No.18400961 Report

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>>18400945
Spearow was my favorite, simply because it had red wings and a bad ass hair style.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:05:04 No.18400982 Report

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Spearow had Peck

/thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:07:59 No.18401005 Report

Quoted By: >>18401015 >>18401065

Ash caught a Pidgey, so that's what I went for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:08:56 No.18401015 Report

Quoted By: >>18401024 >>18401963

>>18401005

And then it did nothing, and then he released it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:10:29 No.18401024 Report

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>>18401015
BUT IT WAS A BADASS PIDGEOT

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:10:35 No.18401026 Report

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>>18400945
Fearow is fucking terrible and didn't even get Brave Bird. Pidgeot at least managed to get Brave in Gen 4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:10:48 No.18401028 Report

Quoted By: >>18401044 >>18406707

>Spearow becomes Fearow, one of the few Pokemon that gets Drill Run and the only Flying-type
>Fearow is subjectively more useful
>Pidgeot is lackluster in every sense of the word

Spearow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:11:49 No.18401038 Report

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>>18400945
Spearow only gets one evolution, whereas Pidgey gets two.

Two is bigger than one so Pidgey wins.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:11:50 No.18401039 Report

Quoted By: >>18401059

>>18400945
The key difference is that Pidgeot has a higher BST than Fearow, but spearow evolves into Fearow earlier. By the time you'd have a pidgeotto, you'd already have a Fearow that has a far higher BST. Also, comparing their stats, in Gens 1 through 5, Fearow has a higher speed (in Gen 6 Pidgeot got it's speed bumped up to ONE above Fearow), and in all the games so far Fearow has a higher attack. Pidgeot is more defensive.

This is why Spearow is the correct choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:12:23 No.18401044 Report

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>>18401028
>Fearow gets a non-stab move
>no brave bird
>Pidgeot gets it
Dodrio is still better than both though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:12:37 No.18401046 Report

Quoted By: >>18401052 >>18401054 >>18401066 >>18401076

>>18400945
Pidgey is the savior
Spearow is the servant of the false prophet

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:13:27 No.18401052 Report

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>>18401046
ebic
simply ebic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:13:34 No.18401054 Report

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>>18401046

That is SO two weeks ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:13:59 No.18401059 Report

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>>18401039
Spearow was always the best starting bird since it was naturally more offensive.
It's fine if you wanna troll people with your shitty sand-attack but whoever get's the first hit wins, therefore yes I agree with you, Spearow is superior.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:14:52 No.18401065 Report

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>>18401005
Technically he never caught a pidgey. He caught a pidgeotto.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:15:04 No.18401066 Report

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>>18401046
the hell are you talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:16:17 No.18401076 Report

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>>18401046
Redditfag please go

OFFICIAL TOP FLYING TYPES PER GENERATION POWER RANKINGS

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OFFICIAL TOP FLYING TYPES PER GENERATION POWER RANKINGS Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:17:47 No.18401085 Report

Quoted By: >>18401090 >>18401102 >>18401116 >>18401173 >>18401530 >>18401560 >>18401567 >>18401573 >>18401629 >>18401679 >>18402429

1. Staraptor
2. Talonflame
3. Pidgeot
4. Noctowl
5. Swellow

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900001. Unfezant

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:18:31 No.18401090 Report

Quoted By: >>18401114

>>18401085
>Edgy McEdgebird
Even his emo fucking crest is gay

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:20:23 No.18401102 Report

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>>18401085
>Anime makes his sweet pomp look like a fucking emo combover

Now it's shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:21:34 No.18401114 Report

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>>18401090
>hating the fringe on the head because of a buzzword
>120 Attack and 100 Speed
>Not best bird
Shiggy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:22:05 No.18401116 Report

Quoted By: >>18408266

>>18401085
Noctowl is so sad. It has to be my favorite of all the starting birds, but it's just so useless. It should have been Psychic/Flying, maybe even Dark/Flying, and it really should have been a special attacker. It's abilities are pretty shitty, too, except for Tinted Lens which it can't take advantage of.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:28:45 No.18401164 Report

Quoted By: >>18401174 >>18406873

SPEARow is based off a spear.

Pidgey is based off a pigeon, aka a rat with wings.

SPEAROW THE BEST

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:29:53 No.18401173 Report

Quoted By: >>18401211

>>18401085
Unfezant is better than at least Pidgeot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:29:54 No.18401174 Report

Quoted By: >>18401182

>>18401164

No, I think it's based off a sparrow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:30:49 No.18401182 Report

Quoted By: >>18401382

>>18401174
It's obviously based off a spear.
Look at its pointy ass beak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:35:10 No.18401211 Report

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>>18401173
While I like Unfezant, it just hasn't got the stats or moves to make the most of its ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:39:59 No.18401265 Report

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>>18400945
They're both so bad. I can think of, like, twelve birds that are better than them.

But at least Pidgeot gets Brave Bird.

Ruby !!iPJbBu5S79g

Ruby !!iPJbBu5S79g Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:51:01 No.18401377 Report

Quoted By: >>18401445

Pidgeot can't hit for shit without using Brave Bird, which is effectively its only good attack. Fearow and Dodrio both carry Drill Peck, which while weaker, does not involve recoil. Furthermore, they both have higher attack stats. Between the three, I suppose Fearow would be best, because in addition to carrying Drill Peck, it also carries Drill Run, allowing for super-effective coverage against electric types... not that this matters anyways, as most electric types will outspeed all of the birds and rape them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 07:51:31 No.18401382 Report

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>>18401182
The beak isn't really pointy like a spear.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:00:54 No.18401445 Report

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>>18401377
TRIGGER WARN THAT SHIT

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:10:14 No.18401507 Report

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Spearow is underrated.
I love my Spearow, I make it a conscious choice to always catch a Spearow when I play a new game in Pokemon.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:14:40 No.18401530 Report

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>>18401085
>Mfw playing D/P for the first time in 2007 and Staraptor learned close combat
Truly the bravest bird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:19:31 No.18401560 Report

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>>18401085
>Mega-Staraptor
>Gale wings
>stats boost

Oh my word.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:21:19 No.18401567 Report

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>>18401085
which ipfacti

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Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:22:46 No.18401573 Report

Quoted By: >>18401590 >>18401610 >>18401669

>>18401085
>Unfezant has the second highest attack of any regional bird
>Has good movepool and good abilities
>10/10 design
>Fun crit-based gimmick with super luck
>Bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:23:53 No.18401590 Report

Quoted By: >>18401598 >>18401620

>>18401573
but is so, unpleasant to look at, also you should get an eye test.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:25:24 No.18401598 Report

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>>18401590
>Unfezant looking bad
And you're telling me to get an eye test?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:27:00 No.18401610 Report

Quoted By: >>18401642

>>18401573
>Stat monkey
>Less than 100 base speed
>"Good" movepool

It's got an awful movepool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:28:46 No.18401620 Report

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>>18401590
Pheasants are a badass looking bird to begin with, coupled with the fact that they worked in a masquerade mask into its design to parallel the actual mask the animal has it's pretty great overall
It looks fierce, but still elegant, as it should considering what it's based off of

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:29:50 No.18401629 Report

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>>18401085
>forgot about Swellow being fast as hell and learning Endeavor via level-up
>kill something with Swellow but take a lot of damage
>next pokemon is slower than super speedy Swellow
>Endeavor all but ruins it before Swellow is KO'd
>Easy revenge kill incoming

This was casual in-game not-even-trying stuff making Swellow badass by default.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:31:22 No.18401642 Report

Quoted By: >>18401672

>>18401610
>115 attack reaching maximum of 361
>93 speed is decent
>Night Slash, Slash, and Sky Attack for crits
>U-Turn and Swagger
>Morning Sun

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:32:35 No.18401647 Report

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>all these numberfags
Spearow is just cooler

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:38:24 No.18401669 Report

Quoted By: >>18401672

>>18401573
>Special Oriented Movepool
>65 Base Special Attack
>Good

Probably one of my biggest 5th gen disappointments

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:39:53 No.18401672 Report

Quoted By: >>18401763

>>18401669
>Special Oriented Movepool
>>18401642
lolwut?

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Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:42:22 No.18401679 Report

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>>18401085
1. Staraptor
2. Talonflame
3. Swellow
4. Unfezant
5. Noctowl
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.
.
90001. Unfezant

Dont forget that Pidgeot has shit stats even when he finally evolves and has no moves, while Talonflame has Fly+Ember until 36 and heart scales

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:43:19 No.18401686 Report

Quoted By: >>18401700 >>18401706

Unfezant would have been better with a more useful ability. Sure, it has a bunch of moves with increased crit chance, but even then the crits may not be too useful. Maybe if it got Sniper or Serene Grace instead, it could have been more memorable.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:45:55 No.18401700 Report

Quoted By: >>18401702

>>18401686
It's as if you like not having a bonus 50% on all your moves that also breaks through defense boosts and intimidate

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:46:48 No.18401702 Report

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>>18401700
Never thought of it that way.

The only reason I'm rethinking is because your dubs command it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:47:28 No.18401706 Report

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>>18401686
Serene Grace is still shitty with Unfezant movepool, Sniper could be a good ability but even with crits using Fly or Aerial Ace twice would outdamage it, but it should have gotten something else, even fucking Scrappy would have been better

Or at least let him learn Acrobatics

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:51:34 No.18401719 Report

Quoted By: >>18401761

Meh i like my Night Slash/Hypnosis/Sky Attack/Steel Wing Unfezant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 08:56:07 No.18401738 Report

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Neither are very strong, but pidgeot remains my favorite bird. I'm going off of design, spearow looks cooler but fearow looks terrible to me. I don't like using Pokémon that are just ugly to me. Pidgeot is just glorious, but that could be nostalgia goggles.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:01:03 No.18401761 Report

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>>18401719
Fezant Approved

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:01:13 No.18401763 Report

Quoted By: >>18401775

>>18401672
>having to rely on SKY ATTACK
>Slash over Return
>relying on crits
Idiot confirmed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:03:46 No.18401775 Report

Quoted By: >>18401800

>>18401763
>What is Super luck?
>What is Scope lens?
>What is High Crit-Chance?
>What is 70x1.5?
>I dunno, guess I'll just spout nonsense

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:11:41 No.18401800 Report

Quoted By: >>18401827 >>18401860

>>18401775
>waste item slot, ability slot, and move slots so you can guarantee niche 1.5x hits that has other quality of limited strategic use

Just stop. I wish the build worked as much as anyone, but they made crits pretty shitty even if you try to build for it. It's like, a niche counter for cosmic power assholes and that's only if you let them set up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:17:35 No.18401827 Report

Quoted By: >>18401842 >>18407381

>>18401800
I'ts like you hate fun
Lemme guess, you go with a choice scarf return or some other shit that gets one crappy attack then dies?
It's not a niche counter, seeing as how it bypasses the common intimidate, and raises slash's power to above return, and also gives him a 105 power dark attack
If you stop focusing on the negatives, maybe you could see the positives, or just keep being a fucking pessimist that likes to pick apart details that don't even matter and make an absolutely terrible point that anyone could see through

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:22:20 No.18401842 Report

Quoted By: >>18401887

>>18401827
>wasting your item, ability, and move slots just so your shitty shoehorned build works
>detail that doesn't matter
>not offering an actual counterargument
>HURR YOU JUST HATE FUN
That's what I thought. And you people wonder why nobody takes you seriously when you offer such brain-dead builds.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:22:32 No.18401844 Report

Quoted By: >>18401863

Unfezant@Life Orb
Jolly 252 Atk/6 HP/252 Spe
Super Luck
-Aerial Ace
-Return
-Night Slash
-U-turn

>tfw even for ingame my unfezant sucked and died in battle subway

Staraptor helped me clear the Battle Frontier of Platinum along with Garchomp and Froslass

In Black it was Darmanitan, Haxorus and Lilligant, no bird this time

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:29:12 No.18401860 Report

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>>18401800
>niche

crits bypassing evasion and def buff is nothing to laugh about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:30:16 No.18401863 Report

Quoted By: >>18401885

>>18401844
Why dosent Unfezant have brave bird? Like honestly it makes such little sense. Crobat gets bloody brave bird, shouldent being a bird pokemon guarantee it as at least an eggmove. Its things like this that really peeve me off, when a pokemon has everything going for it but because GF cant be bothered to give it that one last obvious thing it needs, it just becomes absolutely useless. No pokemon should have its best stab move at 60 power unless your running technician

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:35:44 No.18401883 Report

Quoted By: >>18401898

>>18400945
Playing FireRed one more time and I had same problem. I choose Spearow - Fearow is faster and can learn drill peck and is was enough for me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:36:15 No.18401885 Report

Quoted By: >>18401894 >>18401896

>>18401863
In the canon of the kind of animal it is, I guess those birds wouldn't be brave and would in fact run from most battles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:37:09 No.18401887 Report

Quoted By: >>18401993

>>18401842
>wasting
Already explained this, so if you just want to ignore what I said, so be it
>doesn't matter
Many pokemon would kill for a 100+ power move with no drawbacks that hits SE on a move that is immune to one of their STABs
>not offering an actual counterargument
hue
>HURR YOU JUST HATE FUN
Alright, I'll give you that one, I'll admit that was a bit "trope-y" of me to say, and I apologize for that but my main point still stands

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:39:25 No.18401889 Report

Quoted By: >>18401897

Playing blaze black. http://pastebin.com/hFZiycaY

>#528 Swoobat
Stat: HP is now 77, Attack is now 67, Special Attack is now 107, Special Defense is now 65, Speed is now 114.
Abilities: Simple, Unaware.
Level Up: Stored Power at Level 56.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:40:51 No.18401894 Report

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>>18401885
Wherever they are hunted they are always timid once they associate humans with danger, and will quickly retreat for safety after hearing the arrival of hunting parties in the area. (Wikipedia: Common Pheasant)

Yeah, seems about right, good point

Personally I wish it would've gotten something better, at least drill peck

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:41:42 No.18401896 Report

Quoted By: >>18401905

>>18401885
I guess you could make that argument. But in the game they seem to portray Unfezant as being pretty intimidating. In that 3DS Pokedex they brought out awhile back it flew into the air and did some pretty sick looking kick animation, made it look pretty intimdating for a bird. Besides if swanna and farfetched can learn brave bird, im pretty sure most others could.
And even if it goes somewhat by the nature of the animal, its pokemon it really shouldent limit moves like that. And it just grinds my gears to know thats the reason Unfezant really has a hard time. Didnt even get drill peck.

Its like Aurorus. When they first announced it and announced its ability the first two things i thought were "its going to get a normal type attack that will help show case its new ability, like Hyper Voice" and "it has a gem in its head so it will get access to Power Gem for a rock stab" How do you mess that up so badly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:42:05 No.18401897 Report

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>>18401889
Obviously an oversight of the modmaker
Have fun with your OP Swoop Bat though
Sounds Brilliant

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:42:15 No.18401898 Report

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>>18401883
Yeah Fearow is the best choice in Fire Red, it learns Drill Peck somewhat late, but it gets Aerial Ace and Fly, you can also buy Secret Power in the celadon store, which is a 70 BP normal type move that gets STAB and has a 30% chance of sleep or paralysis because you mostly fight in buildings and grass

Pidgeot has a shittier movepool and less attack

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Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:43:50 No.18401905 Report

Quoted By: >>18401913 >>18401998

>>18401896
Aurorus really is a sad case, It's too bad the only really usable option for it is a physicall attacker with return and even thats... Euughh

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:45:57 No.18401913 Report

Quoted By: >>18401932 >>18401938

>>18401905
2 months ago i saw a showderp faggot wrecking an OU team with refridgerate hyper beam

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:48:19 No.18401932 Report

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>>18401913
I have no idea hows thats possible. As soon as a the player used his first hyper beam, you would just switch in anything with a fighting or steel attack and one shot it. Would be interesting to see how they did it

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Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:48:46 No.18401938 Report

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>>18401913
Oh Geez, that sounds amazing
Then again, that's fairly conditional and situational
But if you can pull it off I'd imagine It'd be great

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:53:31 No.18401949 Report

Quoted By: >>18401964

farfetch'd>all

your all faggots

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:57:47 No.18401963 Report

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>>18401015
Wrong. He caught a Pidgeotto, it was used as a Scout and to clear away smoke attacks, then it evolved and was released to a forest pretty close to Pallet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 09:58:23 No.18401964 Report

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>>18401949
Farfetch'd is actually bretty good in Blaze Black 2, dat 90 Atk/90 Spe Fighting/Flying typing with Swords Dance, Leaf Blade and Close Combat+Fly STAB, Fly was changed to 100 BP 100% accuracy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 10:05:14 No.18401986 Report

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Fearow has something unique going for it at least - access to Drill Run and an ability that complements it: Sniper.

While Pidgeot gets Brave Bird, so does several other, better birds. You can point at it having Tangled Feet, but so does Dodrio and it also learns Brave Bird.

To make things worse for Pidgey, Brave Bird is an Egg move, so you wouldn't even be able to use it normally on a regular playthrough either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 10:06:50 No.18401993 Report

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>>18401887
>Already explained this, so if you just want to ignore what I said, so be it
Crits aren't a very viable strategy if the attacks you're using aren't strong at all. 70 Non stab BP, a 130 STAB BP move that takes two turns to charge up and could possibly kill you and an 80 BP move. You'd have to be using something like Kingdra for it to even be anywhere close to viable, with STAB 120 attacks

>Many pokemon would kill for a 100+ power move with no drawbacks that hits SE on a move that is immune to one of their STABs
Most birds kill to have Close Combat to take out rocks instead of ghosts since a good prediction of when you're opponent switches into his ghost means a bye-bye with Brave Bird.

>hue
>implying you gave a counter argument other than hurr hating fun or hurr stop being a pessimist.

Unfezant will never even reach Swellow tier until it gets Brave Bird and a good ability. Niche builds aren't going to help it in NU where so many things outclass it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 10:08:12 No.18401998 Report

Quoted By: >>18402006 >>18403425

>>18401905
Auro gets Tri-Attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 10:10:41 No.18402006 Report

Quoted By: >>18402016

>>18401998
I guess thats true, through nature power. Its still sucks it didnt get power gem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 10:13:27 No.18402016 Report

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>>18402006
Yeah.
That typing doesn't help it either. x4 weakness to steel and fightan

Tyrantrum got the better tradeoff

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 11:04:48 No.18402167 Report

Quoted By: >>18402211

Fearow gets Drill Peck and can be taught Heatwave, because it can.

I've never tried Dodrio though. I'm already happy with the regional bird by the time i meet one. Ecxept for Unfezant with its stupid stats and name and ordinary typing whod end up replaced by sigilyph

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Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 11:19:30 No.18402211 Report

Quoted By: >>18402236

>>18402167
Dodrio was an underrated gem back in the days, Fire Red was where it shined best with its speed and attack, both pretty good.
>dat physical tri attack
Its nowhere near as good now sadly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 11:23:45 No.18402219 Report

Quoted By: >>18402234

Hey guys what's better, Geodude or Sandshrew?

Gen 2 btw

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 11:29:38 No.18402234 Report

Quoted By: >>18402238

>>18402219
In Gen II, just about every single Pokemon outclasses Sandshrew.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 11:30:29 No.18402236 Report

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>>18402211
It peaked when it got brave bird. DE and BB combo with that speed and attack is bound to do loads

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 11:31:49 No.18402238 Report

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>>18402234
damn, that's a shame. I guess I'll stick with Geodude

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 12:13:26 No.18402357 Report

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why is Fearow so ugly?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 12:27:14 No.18402409 Report

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>>18400945
pidgey is simply better because it evolves two times

how can some shitty bird which only evolves once be better than something which has three stages of superiority?

besides, pidgeot is actually a bro tier bird pokemon traveling at super speeds

fearow was basically a dumbed down aerodactyl

who would you rather sit on the back of, pidgeot or fearow?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 12:28:17 No.18402413 Report

Quoted By: >>18402418

>>18400945

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Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 12:30:06 No.18402418 Report

Quoted By: >>18402424

>>18402413
PIDGEY LOVERS JUST GOT

BLOWN

THE

FUCK

OUT

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 12:33:07 No.18402424 Report

Quoted By: >>18404314

>>18402418
>Implying you don't breed Pidgeot and Wailord to get Lugia

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 12:34:57 No.18402429 Report

Quoted By: >>18402438 >>18402455

>>18401085

I see that you didn't say "starter" bird, so you should put the unchallenged QUEEN OF BIRDS up there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 12:38:56 No.18402438 Report

Quoted By: >>18402444 >>18402455

>>18402429
>Not Hawlucha

Wow shit taste.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 12:42:09 No.18402444 Report

Quoted By: >>18402467 >>18412512

>>18402438

Hawlucha 2weak, he gets wrecked by any priority attack. Mandibuzz stays up the whole game and makes your opponent kill himself for not being able to get off the taunt + toxic ride.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 12:45:43 No.18402455 Report

Quoted By: >>18402494 >>18402498 >>18402507 >>18412871

>>18402429
>>18402438
>Not the bravest bird

These colors don't run.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 12:49:11 No.18402467 Report

Quoted By: >>18412354

>>18402444
>not doing bulkup + rest/chesto/unburden
do you even hawlucha

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 12:56:49 No.18402494 Report

Quoted By:

>>18402455
fuckin lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 12:57:51 No.18402498 Report

Quoted By:

>>18402455
I AM A REAL AMERICAN
FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF EVERY MAN

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 13:00:26 No.18402507 Report

Quoted By:

>>18402455
GOD BLESS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 13:15:03 No.18402553 Report

Quoted By: >>18402846

Talonflame is objectively the best regional bird. Awesome design and concept, fast, hits hard, has a great ability, two great STABs, a variety of support moves such as (priority) Tailwind and Will-O-Wisp, priority Roost, setup options is Swords Dance and Bulk Up and generally works wonders with partners who can keep rocks off the field and deal with its counters. Yet we will always hate on the poor fucker because OU:The Experience and because Smogon likes it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 14:04:48 No.18402846 Report

Quoted By:

>>18402553
I think the list was for in-game, in which case Staraptor preforms better. Talonflame's speed is just overkill in game, while Staraptor will outspeed just about every threat. Staraptor's Brave Bird, Return, Close Combat, FILLER set can hit just about everything (for me, filler was Aerial Ace to stop evasion fags), and he has the real attack. I also used a Talonflame, and his power was a bit underwhelming. His main attack was either Flame Charge or Fly, and once I got Flare Blitz he was dying all the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 15:23:43 No.18403326 Report

Quoted By: >>18408010

In Gen 1, the only gen that matters for comparing them, Gust was a normal type attack. Pidgey didn't get a flying move of its own until Level 28/31 with Wing Attack

...except in RB Wing Attack was a power 35 move, making it WEAKER than Peck, which Spearow had been carrying for ages.

Conversely, Spearow's Drill Peck is learned at level 29/36.

Of course, they're all better than Farfetch'd, which people will always wrongly trade away their only Spearow for and then swear up and down it's the best because MUH BRO LEARNS CUT

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 15:42:15 No.18403425 Report

Quoted By: >>18403447

>>18401998
How do I teach it Tri-Attack?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 15:45:00 No.18403447 Report

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>>18403425
Nature Power becomes Tri Attack in buildings, where all wifi/maison/etc battles take place.

Thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5

Thoughtless celestial !!tHnFiSDPCz5 Sat 08 Mar 2014 15:50:18 No.18403476 Report

Quoted By: >>18404785 >>18409489

I got a spearow cause my rival had a pidgey.

also that drill pack. beak > wings

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 16:35:20 No.18403879 Report

Quoted By:

Always loved Pidgeot the most.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 16:49:21 No.18404012 Report

Quoted By:

>>18400945
They're both bad.
Use Talonflame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 17:11:34 No.18404314 Report

Quoted By:

>>18402424
LOL

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 17:32:33 No.18404566 Report

Quoted By:

Can we talk about how disappointing these are?
Evos included

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 17:46:02 No.18404785 Report

Quoted By:

>>18403476
Me too, friend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 17:48:57 No.18404832 Report

Quoted By:

Fearow

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 18:36:59 No.18405478 Report

Quoted By:

Pidgey pros/cons
>+Available in more games earlier
>+Evolves at level 18 into Pidgeotto
>+Ok Attack and Speed
>-Learnset is a bit limited
>-Takes long-ish to evolve into Pidgeotto
>Neutral: Pretty one dimensional

Spearow pros/cons
>+Higher Attack and Speed than Pidgey
>+Goes into Fearow at level 20
>+Fearow learns some unique moves like Drill Run and Assurance
>-Availability is slightly lower than Pidgey
>-Sort of frail, can't take much SE hits
>Neutral: Does better early game than late game

Pidgeotto is a bit more balanced than Fearow, but if you're looking for an Fly slave to abuse EXP share on than both do it well enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 19:47:44 No.18406450 Report

Quoted By:

>Not a dragon, charizard, Crobat, swoobat and golurk
EAT SHIT BIRD FAGS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 20:08:32 No.18406707 Report

Quoted By:

>>18401028
>Spearow becomes Fearow and the only Flying-type
Wow

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 20:23:10 No.18406873 Report

Quoted By: >>18416087

>>18401164
Ironically, Pidgey looks more like a sparrow than Spearow does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 21:02:41 No.18407381 Report

Quoted By:

>>18401827
You used up your Ability and Item slot to BARELY out-damage a regular, itemless Return with a Critical Slash on a regular basis. Never mind that running a goddamned Muscle Band pushes your damage output with Return well above anything that you can reach with Crit4Dayz. And no, Sky Attack does not actually have a high Critical Hit ratio, despite literally everything the game says about it.

And now that I've checked, I can't find anything about Unfezant learning Slash at all. So the ONLY move that you're boosting to 100% Crit is Night Slash, unless you're planning on running Air Cutter and Razor Wind. Which just goes to show how bad Unfezant really is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 22:05:59 No.18408010 Report

Quoted By:

>>18403326

the first time i played red got a pidgey, sotred it for a spearow because "those niggas are strong", then traded it for Dux, level up like a madman (slash in RBY was broken), then find another spearow, level 1 level and evolved, looks stats "wow, fearow its stronger and gets drill peck", boxed Dux.

When i arrived Cinnabar island i boxed it for Aerodactyl, then i realized Aerodactyl sucks. Boxed it for Articuno, and boxed articuno for Zapdos.

Zapdos is the absolute bird

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 22:12:53 No.18408073 Report

Quoted By: >>18409520

Yall niggas make me want to run fearow

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Mar 2014 22:32:14 No.18408266 Report

Quoted By:

>>18401116
>Implying Noctowl is a bird

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 00:15:04 No.18409489 Report

Quoted By:

>>18403476
>I got a spearow cause my rival had a pidgey.
truly the greatest person to play Pokemon, holy shit you remind me of my young self when I was really immersed in Pokemon games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 00:17:19 No.18409520 Report

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>>18408073
DO IT FAGGOT YOU WON'T REGRET IT.

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Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 00:20:37 No.18409578 Report

Quoted By:

There is only one real answer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 01:11:46 No.18410208 Report

Quoted By: >>18412370

>tfw my save gets corrupted
FUCK EMULATION.

Spearow is better, hands down.

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Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 01:32:34 No.18410530 Report

Quoted By:

>>18400945
Boomburst chatot with choice specs.

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Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 02:00:05 No.18410909 Report

Quoted By: >>18412385

CAW CAW

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 03:29:35 No.18412354 Report

Quoted By:

>>18402467
>Hi Jump Kick
>Acrobatics
>Bulk Up
>Rest
Chesto Berry+Unburden, this set actually sounds very interesting I'll try it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 03:31:20 No.18412370 Report

Quoted By: >>18412444

>>18410208
Your emulators save got corrupted?

If so its your own damn fault for not having plenty of back ups.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 03:32:16 No.18412385 Report

Quoted By:

>>18410909
Thanks doc

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 03:37:43 No.18412444 Report

Quoted By:

>>18412370
I saved in-game, then when I tried playing it the next day it loaded up an old save for some reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 03:42:28 No.18412512 Report

Quoted By:

>>18402444
He's not weak. He's the pride of UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 03:43:48 No.18412537 Report

Quoted By: >>18412555 >>18414623

Pidgeot - not interesting
Fearow - like an inferior non-electric Zapdos
Noctowl - Pidgeot with some extra miscellaneous moves
Swellow - Guts abuser with access to Boomburst on the other end should it be required
Staraptor - Glass cannon
Unfezant - Terrible
Talonflame - PRIORITY BRAVE BIRD and also fire and a bad name

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 03:44:47 No.18412555 Report

Quoted By: >>18413578

>>18412537
Take off Gale Wings from Talonflame and what you get?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 03:51:35 No.18412658 Report

Quoted By: >>18412732

>no one running specs pidgeot with hurricane/hurricane/uturn/hp
U all suck

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 03:56:32 No.18412732 Report

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>>18412658
>70 SpAtk
>70% accuracy
>hurricane twice
Just no.

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Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 04:05:32 No.18412871 Report

Quoted By: >>18416023

>>18402455
Any other answer is wrong - Braviary is objectively the best bird. If you disagree you're a communist and a terrorist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 04:58:22 No.18413578 Report

Quoted By:

>>18412555
The best god damn egg hatcher this side of Kalos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 06:20:43 No.18414551 Report

Quoted By:

I like Zubat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 06:21:28 No.18414559 Report

Quoted By:

chatot with chatter and boomburst is the only option

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 06:24:38 No.18414585 Report

Quoted By:

in RBY totally pidgey.

in XY... still pidgey fearow can suck my brave bird

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 06:29:25 No.18414623 Report

Quoted By:

>>18412537
>like an inferior non-electric zapdos
>pidgeot with some extra miscellaneous moves

confirmed for not knowing shit about anything
pls stop pretending to know anything about competitive forever ok

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 10:09:40 No.18415856 Report

Quoted By: >>18416041

>>18400945
spearow takes ages to evolve, at least pidgey gives you a cool middle ground on evolutions

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Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 10:56:42 No.18416023 Report

Quoted By: >>18416029

>>18412871
Shit. I want communist pokemon. What is most commie mon?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 10:59:06 No.18416029 Report

Quoted By: >>18416047

>>18416023
Delibird

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Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 11:02:20 No.18416041 Report

Quoted By: >>18416063

>>18415856
>spearow takes ages to evolve,

spearow evolves to fearow at level 20, pidgey evolves at 18 into pidgeotto and even then it still has to wait until 36 to even compete with fearow in stats, you are retarded as fuck

>at least pidgey gives you a cool middle ground on evolutions

from 18 it evolves at 36, thats 20 more levels than fearow before it becomes useful, not to mention the strongest shit it gets is wing attack

>m-m-uh shitgeot!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 11:05:31 No.18416047 Report

Quoted By: >>18416069

>>18416029
Nah, maybe it looks like Дед Мороз but I need something different

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 11:12:12 No.18416063 Report

Quoted By: >>18416072 >>18416076 >>18416077

>>18416041
and the only good attack Fearow has until 40 is peck
every bird from gen 3 and on are all superior because they get wing attack before 20

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 11:14:09 No.18416069 Report

Quoted By:

>>18416047
Ursaring with a striped shirt, bottle of vodka in one hand, balalaika in another.
Or simply Quick Feet abuser. Or even better, Guts sweeper in TR team. No brakes whatsoever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 11:14:51 No.18416072 Report

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>>18416063
fearow gets aerial ace at 23 in the games you can catch him, aka Fire Red for example you can buy either secret power or return for a better STAB attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 11:15:28 No.18416076 Report

Quoted By: >>18416085

>>18416063
>every bird from gen 3 and on are all superior because they get wing attack before 20
i don't play casualized versions of games, that's why i stopped at gen 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 11:16:16 No.18416077 Report

Quoted By:

>>18416063
Spearow gets Aerial Ace at lvl 17, which is superior to Wing Attack, and can learn Drill Run via heart scale as soon as it evolves at 20

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 11:19:02 No.18416085 Report

Quoted By: >>18416092

>>18416076
>yet im still here to shitpost daily :^^^^^^^^^^^)

top kek, as if anyone cares what you do

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 11:19:13 No.18416087 Report

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>>18406873
Yeah, there's nothing particularly pigeon-like about the entire pidgey line really.

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Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 11:20:26 No.18416092 Report

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>>18416085
thanks for giving me attention

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 11:26:00 No.18416110 Report

Quoted By: >>18416111

Xatu is better because MUH INDIAN HERITAGE

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Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 11:27:33 No.18416111 Report

Quoted By: >>18416162

>>18416110
would be shit if not for magic bounce

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 11:37:33 No.18416162 Report

Quoted By:

>>18416111
>that pic
>not naming it "real_fucking_Natu"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 19:50:45 No.18420060 Report

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Archeops.

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