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Swagger Clause

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 12:05:07 No.18416261 View View Reply Original Report

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>2014
>Suddenly "Prank-swagger is flipcoining muh meta"

Either get good or don't be a hypocrite.
Ban all strategies and moves that has paralyze, confusion, infatuation or reduction of accuracy(like Flash and Sand-attack).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 12:06:49 No.18416267 Report

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And crits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 12:35:43 No.18416353 Report

Quoted By: >>18416384

While Double Team and Minimize made hazers and roarers a must in any team, I can't see any of that centralization happening because of the Prankster+Swagger "abuse".

Swagger can be easily removed and avoided by SWITCHING, substitute, items, moves, abilities, 0 IV attack, etc.
It also has the double edge of raising the foe's attack and the weakness of lasting only a couple of turns.

Even when paired with Prankster the strategy can't do much against special attackers or walls because of the frail staller nature of the pranksters...

Why ban Swagger?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 12:44:29 No.18416381 Report

Quoted By: >>18416403 >>18416405 >>18416433 >>18417065 >>18417137

Swagger can ruin well earned-sweeps in a single move. I could build up 6 Quiver Dances against an idiot opponent, KO their opposing Pokemon, and in comes a Prank-Swag abuser, which has now taken 6 turns of effort away from me, or at least reduced it to possibly multiple coin flips. Even in a game that is luck/strategy based, no other status bullshit bar evasion can unfairly bridge a skill gap like Prank-Swag. The only solution to the above solution is to have your sweeper pack a priority move, and while that may not seem like a ridiculous request, most sweepers rely on coverage before priority, since they're expecting speed boosts to be enough. The only reason they would want a priority move is if they're facing something that has a priority move that they're 4x weak to, but even then they'd most likely KO it with a more powerful coverage move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 12:46:11 No.18416384 Report

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>>18416353

Banning swagger will centralize the counter to Sub+Dancers/Bulkers for the small handful of pokés with access to Haze and Roar.

Swagger can be learned by any poké and so it's omnipresent through every tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 12:52:07 No.18416403 Report

Quoted By: >>18416425

>>18416381

>wanting to free dance without retaliation
>not even wanting to make a sub
>being this spoiled brat "stop ruining my strategy that I wasted 10 turns preparing"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 12:52:34 No.18416405 Report

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>>18416381
>well earned-sweeps

not well earned enough apparently

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 12:58:09 No.18416425 Report

Quoted By: >>18416521

>>18416403
It doesn't matter how many dances I use before retaliation, that retaliation will eventually happen and there's no way to prepare for it without severely reducing the viability of my sweeper. While there are plenty of ways to stop sweepers, after a certain point their boosts and the time it took to get them shouldn't be up to a strategy that can't be checked through speed. Substitute is rarely a viable option because any sweeper known for using sub can be priority taunted, not to mention a sweeper that doesn't normally use it is now losing coverage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 13:00:33 No.18416433 Report

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>>18416381
You're not entitled to victory because you spent more turns setting it up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 13:22:17 No.18416521 Report

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>>18416425

>not to mention a sweeper that doesn't normally use it is now losing coverage

Again, wanting to gain your free dances without paying any price.

>strategy that can't be checked through speed
Prankters have shitty speed, hp, def and everything.

That's when you use your own priority moves to outspeed and kill them.

Your real problem here is priority Taunt that counters your strategy. Not Swagger that can be easily blocked by Substitute.

>crying and whining because you can't put a dancer in front of a poké with access to Taunt
As I said, you are spoiled kid.

Even without access to Taunt, anybody with the pranksters would just Encore the shit out of your poké, kid.

With an IQ of 20 you should be able to understand that dancing in the presence of Encore, Taunt, Swagger, Roar and Haze in the opposite team is not the best case scenario.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 13:30:45 No.18416562 Report

Quoted By: >>18416586

Luck is one of the huge factors in pokemon, since the beginning. Get over it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 13:36:07 No.18416582 Report

Quoted By: >>18416596 >>18416632 >>18416659

>liking how skill is completely removed from the match

Figures you kids would like swagplay, since you aren't skilled enough to win matches without luck. Fuck off OP and anyone who defends this shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 13:36:32 No.18416586 Report

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>>18416562
I really don't get it.

Strategy always consider the PROBABILITY of something happening and the PROBABILITY of the planning working.
This is like saying that poker is luck based.

How is it knowing you have a x% of chance of attacking, getting crits, getting status not part of strategy.

That's why the only valid argument is not the flipping coin bullshit but the overcentralization of the metagame. Which is not happening in this case of swaggesters...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 13:38:10 No.18416596 Report

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>>18416582
>Complaining about luck in a game completely built on RNG
Get a load of this dumb faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 13:43:38 No.18416632 Report

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>>18416582
I don't even know where to start to say how retarded you are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 13:45:59 No.18416659 Report

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>>18416582
But you can counter confusion with own tempo or switch. It isn't more luck than sleep powder which can sleep you or miss.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 13:48:04 No.18416676 Report

Quoted By: >>18416691 >>18416723

How is switching a counter to Swagger? Whatever you switch in will get swaggered too unless it has Magic Bounce, which has two (maybe 3) viable users. Overcentralization.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 13:50:51 No.18416691 Report

Quoted By: >>18416719

>>18416676
Switch until they run out PP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 13:56:15 No.18416719 Report

Quoted By: >>18416771

>>18416691
So Stealth Rock + Swagger is a perfectly fine strategy because I can just keep switching to counter Swagger. Brilliant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 13:56:37 No.18416723 Report

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>>18416676
>>18416676

You can switch to any special attacker or staller.

Even after several swaggers their attack won't do any significant self damage considering you removed IV from attack.

If you have 50% of chance of missing, you have 50% of OHKO the enemy considering that all pranksters have shitty status.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 13:58:55 No.18416737 Report

Quoted By: >>18416790

You know what, they should just introduce new showdown meta with no crits, no confusion, 100% accuracy on every move, no paralysis, name it smogoun and call it a fucking day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 14:06:26 No.18416771 Report

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>>18416719
>>18416719

Your argument against Prankster+Swagger is invalid when you add other moves and variables.

The problem here is not Prankster+Swagger anymore. It's Stealth Rocks and a fit team.

Pranksters don't run sets with Stealth Rocks.
If you can't manage entry hazards and forced switch it's a problem with your team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 14:10:17 No.18416790 Report

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>>18416737
Also no flinching and SR is on the fields automatically from first turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 14:12:20 No.18416796 Report

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people still bitching about swagplay? Stop being a smogonfag and learn to play the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 14:23:04 No.18416846 Report

Quoted By: >>18417015 >>18417285

Swagplay is a cheap hipster strategy meant only to accomplish ebin trolling and thus /vp/ enjoys its inclusion in the metagame and will defend it to the end.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 14:48:45 No.18417015 Report

Quoted By: >>18417074

>>18416846
gr8 b8 m8

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 14:57:42 No.18417065 Report

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>>18416381
>well earned-sweeps

Stopped reading right there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 15:00:04 No.18417074 Report

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>>18417015

Refute the point than, shitposting hipster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 15:02:02 No.18417093 Report

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GUYS, GUYS.

Taunt. And Magic Bounce.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 15:09:26 No.18417137 Report

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>>18416381
>well earned-sweeps

I don't even care what more you said.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 15:13:58 No.18417176 Report

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why not use a lum berry
i use that shit with dragonite

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 15:21:25 No.18417235 Report

Quoted By: >>18417287

>tfw you use a deosharp + swagplay team and you're in 1813 ELO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 15:27:53 No.18417285 Report

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>>18416846
Swagplay is legit. Prankster is cheap.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Mar 2014 15:28:12 No.18417287 Report

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>>18417235
>Gitting Gud: the Post
You made it because you know how the game works. Rejoice, anon, you've made it to the mountain top.

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