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Lt- Surge's war, and Pokémon Central Europe

Adalwolf 2337-4240-7163 Tue 11 Mar 2014 20:26:37 No.18447684 View View Reply Original Report

A few days ago, someone posted the artwork of this TCG card (pic related), “Secret Mission”, on /vp/, and I was immediately intrigued by it.
Alas, my PC broke down that day, but now that I have a new one, I could finally make the comparison maps I had in mind.

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Adalwolf 2337-4240-7163 Tue 11 Mar 2014 20:28:47 No.18447704 Report

Quoted By: >>18447742

>>18447684
"WARSCHAU", the German name for Warsaw, and river Bug being labelled immediately gave it away as a map of Poland; but something was off.
I thus retraced the borders and rivers depicted on the card to compare them to real maps.

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Adalwolf 2337-4240-7163 Tue 11 Mar 2014 20:31:19 No.18447742 Report

Quoted By: >>18447764

>>18447704
Sure enough, the Bug was correctly labelled, and the line next to Warssaw/Warschau was indeed the Vistula.
But here I noticed the other borders—I had thought the northern border to simply be the coats of the Baltic Sea, but comparing the maps, it was too far south.
Then my eyes fell on the south-western border, and I immediately recognised it as Silesia's. In that case, the nothern border had to be East Prussia, and the eastern one...
Could it be...?

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Adalwolf 2337-4240-7163 Tue 11 Mar 2014 20:32:41 No.18447764 Report

Quoted By: >>18447803

>>18447742
Yes! The map depicts the Second Polish Repubic in its borders after the Polish-Soviet War! The border to (Soviet) Russia might be a bit wonky, but tere's no doubt about it.

Adalwolf 2337-4240-7163

Adalwolf 2337-4240-7163 Tue 11 Mar 2014 20:34:42 No.18447803 Report

Quoted By: >>18447854

>>18447764
Lt. Surge hasn't significantly aged between this picture of his at war, and his appearance as a gym leader in Kanto. If we assume that he entered the war as a young adult, and he's 30 or 40 years at the time of R/G/B, this means that the war could not have taken place more than 20 or 25 years before Gen I.

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Adalwolf 2337-4240-7163 Tue 11 Mar 2014 20:37:56 No.18447854 Report

Quoted By: >>18447898

>>18447803
We conclude:
>20–25 years before Gen I, Germany and Poland existed in their Interwar borders
>World War II and thus the Holocaust never happened in the Pokéworld
>there was a recent war involving Poland, Russia, America/Unova, and probably Germany

I just haven't figured out yet what's going on on this map. The Russians are moving into Poland from the east; are they liberating it from German occupation, since the map uses the German name of Warsaw and has a large “DEUT.....N” over it? Are Unova and Poland defending against Russian aggression?

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Adalwolf 2337-4240-7163 Tue 11 Mar 2014 20:40:39 No.18447898 Report

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>>18447854
It should be noted that Japan, too seems to be in its Interwar borders, at least partially.
Southern Sakhalin ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karafuto_Prefecture ), gained in the Russo-Japanese Wad and lost after WW2, is shown as being part of Sinnoh in Gen IV.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Mar 2014 20:54:09 No.18448051 Report

Quoted By: >>18448087

So, let's see...

This means, presumably, that war is likely on the Poke-Horizon.

Calling it now, the next games will be in communist Poke-Russia and you have to work with Lt. Surge to stop the offensive before the government awakens the box legendary to take over the world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Mar 2014 20:59:07 No.18448087 Report

Quoted By: >>18448159

>>18448051
>there will never be a prequel to R/G/B set during Surge's war
>there won't be two versions of the game, one seeing the player side with Poland, the other with Russia
>Lt. Surge won't alternatively be your rival/ally depending on the version you pick
>you will never go full Reich with your Pokémon, ride into battle on a Rapidash like your proud Hussar ancestors, or watch your Machamp liberate kurwas for the motherland

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Mar 2014 21:04:49 No.18448159 Report

Quoted By: >>18448239

>>18448087
...

...

Dammit, why do I want that to be a fangame so much?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Mar 2014 21:10:44 No.18448239 Report

Quoted By: >>18449374

>>18448159
>Pokémon Hussar Version
>Pokémon Cossack Version

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Mar 2014 22:09:26 No.18449100 Report

Quoted By: >>18456578

This is grounded enough in fact to be added to the appropriate Bulbapedia page. Who wants to do it?

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_world_in_relation_to_the_real_world

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Mar 2014 22:16:46 No.18449200 Report

Quoted By: >>18449280 >>18450080 >>18450139

That's nice and all but it has been proven that at least a few real countries exist in the Pokémon world alongside the Pokémon countries.

America for example.

There could still have been the second worldwar and everything but they simply refused to take part in it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Mar 2014 22:22:16 No.18449280 Report

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>>18449200
>There could still have been the second worldwar and everything but they simply refused to take part in it.
>Second World War
>without Germany or Poland taking part in it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Mar 2014 22:28:01 No.18449374 Report

Quoted By: >>18449489

>>18448239
>Hussar
I hate you

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Anonymous Tue 11 Mar 2014 22:37:47 No.18449489 Report

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>>18449374
You will never lay your filthy hands on Vienna, Turk!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Mar 2014 23:15:24 No.18450080 Report

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>>18449200
They only exist.

It is still entirely possible for the history of the whole world to be different enough for there to have not yet been a world war 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Mar 2014 23:19:59 No.18450139 Report

Quoted By: >>18452306

>>18449200
Technically, Poke-Japan might still be a country.

Every setting is just a region, not a whole country.

Unova could be a state of the US, Kanto through Sinnoh prefectures of Japan, and Kalos a province of France.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Mar 2014 02:09:34 No.18452306 Report

Quoted By: >>18456025

>>18450139
Have they ever touched upon the concept of government at all in the games? mentioning a mayor or governor etc.?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Mar 2014 07:01:52 No.18456025 Report

Quoted By: >>18456318

>>18452306
bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Mar 2014 07:35:09 No.18456318 Report

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>>18456025
Pokémon Colosseum had a mayor in one town, though he was secretly the leader of Team Crypto.
Team Plasma's aim was to crown N King of Unova; nobody else was holding such a title, but apparently his possession of Reshiram/Zekrom and his defeating the Elite Four and the current champ would have been enough to legitimise him.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Mar 2014 08:18:55 No.18456578 Report

Quoted By: >>18466105

>>18449100
>gong to bulbapedo
>ever

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Ghost MissingNo. Wed 12 Mar 2014 18:43:10 No.18460586 Report

Quoted By: >>18466105

>>18447684
Interesting, bumped your thread here and on KC.

Have you managed to read the manga? I think something about Surge's past was also said there, but I don't remember, I've read it years ago.

I think Sakhalin is still part of Russia, they are just butthurt about it and added that to Sinnoh. Even Kurils are rightfully Russian, they lost them in Russian-Japanese war.

I would really like to see next games set in Far East and Siberia in Russia, then Eastern Europe and finally Germany to explain this. Or even Korea and China.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Mar 2014 01:07:55 No.18466105 Report

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>>18456578
What I want to know is why does my browser slow to crawl when on Bulbapedia? Its been a problem with Wikia in general, but Bulbapedia its been bad.

>>18460586
Sakhlin is indeed part of Russia atm. While he had made some non binding commitment to an invasion of Japan's empire in Mengjiang (Mongolia), Manchukuo (Manchuria) and Korea, Stalin committed to an offensive only in the last days of the war. Especially when he got wind of the atomic bombs about to be dropped, he advanced the timetables tremendously - hence why Manchukuo was occupied, and eventually given to the PRC instead of being handed to the ROC like it was supposed to be. And why we have the Korea situation to this very day - the Soviet supply lines exhausted around the 38th parallel, and then we landed at Inchon. He was hoping to capture part of mainland Japan, Hokkaido at the very least before the surrender. We would have then had a similar North/South thing going on that Korea has.

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