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Pokémon Trading Card Game General

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Mon 17 Mar 2014 20:05:55 No.18533765 View View Reply Original Report

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TCG General, continued from >>18472412

Wild Blaze cards leak:
http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.com/wiki/Wild_Blaze_leaks_online

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Anonymous Mon 17 Mar 2014 20:08:24 No.18533786 Report

Quoted By: >>18534036

Posting codes again.

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Anonymous Mon 17 Mar 2014 20:11:40 No.18533823 Report

Quoted By: >>18533866 >>18534050

Best Art i think are the ones done by Ken Sugimori exclusively for the TCG.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Mon 17 Mar 2014 20:15:04 No.18533866 Report

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>>18533823
Seconded. I mean, check out this Charizard drawn by Sugimori. Where would we be without this classic?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Mar 2014 20:27:11 No.18534036 Report

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>>18533786
All redeemed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Mar 2014 20:28:27 No.18534050 Report

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>>18533823
>flip coin based attacks

i hate those.

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Anonymous Mon 17 Mar 2014 20:37:58 No.18534146 Report

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>>18534050
mmkay.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Mon 17 Mar 2014 20:52:48 No.18534331 Report

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Let me tell you about how stupid Fliptini is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Mar 2014 20:54:57 No.18534363 Report

Quoted By: >>18534442 >>18534525

>every pokemon trading card game general we make fails

Stop hurting me /vp/ I want this

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Mon 17 Mar 2014 21:00:04 No.18534442 Report

Quoted By: >>18534525

>>18534363
Tell me about it. Currently, I'm Poke-obsessed, particularly with the TCG. I don't know, my brain is in hyper overdrive. Any time I spend not thinking about Pokemon is spent thinking about why I'm not thinking about Pokemon

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Mon 17 Mar 2014 21:08:44 No.18534525 Report

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>>18534442
>>18534363
Well, really, it was that gap in NDX power that kind of pushed away viewership from the original set of threads. I know I sold off the entirety of CoKEShaMe when I realized that 80 dollar mewtwos was too much for me, especially when I wouldn't play the deck much.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Mon 17 Mar 2014 21:14:23 No.18534589 Report

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>>18534525
But why use Mewtwo-EX at all? I mean it's good for a T1 40 damage and it's anti-Keldeo, but if you're running Blastoise you'd best be running Ballista or Mewtwo is going to eat you for breakfast.

I tried running energy accelerated Mewtwo with Psychic Mirage Gardevoir and it was so difficult. Maybe it's my deck choices influencing me, but Mewtwo just seems... subpar.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Mon 17 Mar 2014 21:17:58 No.18534632 Report

Quoted By: >>18534673

>>18534589
Because Blastdeo wasn't a thing at the time.

CoKEShaMe was a deck that was only playable in the period of next destinies due to having a lot of Call of Legends cards.

It was basically:
Cobalion/Kyurem/Electrode Prime/Shaymin EX/Mewtwo EX

This was before mewtwo had a tin promo and before it started getting outclassed, so it was about 80 dollars a piece.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Mon 17 Mar 2014 21:21:41 No.18534673 Report

Quoted By: >>18534755 >>18534776

>>18534632
Mother of God. I read Cobalion and just flashbacks of a deck I faced at Cities one time. Team Plasma Klinklang in an all-Steel deck, locked out my team until I Catchered it in and OHKO'd it with Mewtwo. Ended up in 26th of 32 people, though. :/

How long have you been in the TCG scene? Is the power jump that noticeable from what it was before to NXD to now?

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Mon 17 Mar 2014 21:27:52 No.18534755 Report

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>>18534673
I started playing at roughly the start of BW. I played mewbox at the time and that was fairly fun, especially since HPs on pokemon tended not to get that high, so a loaded Lucario blast would kill most things, even when launched from mew prime. (I also ended up meeting Binder Guy at a cities tournament there). From there I moved to coke as we approached NXD. EXs warped how a lot of stuff played, since Resiboar/Thunderdome simply went from sitting on 130 hp beaters that could do 120 damage to 180 HP beaters that could do 150 damage, and as it continued things did continue to build up.

I actually left the game at that point then just came back recently, but from what I can tell, the meta has less creeped higher, so much as it has shifted due to insulated strategies.

Bell

Bell Mon 17 Mar 2014 21:30:06 No.18534776 Report

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>>18534673
No real power creep since NXD-DEX. Cards have gotten slightly stronger, but relative to everything else, even Yveltal is less dominant and Mewtwo was. I've been in this since 2004.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Mon 17 Mar 2014 21:33:20 No.18534809 Report

Quoted By: >>18534936

I do want to comment on these new Mega Pokemon.

I think they're going to cap the power creep at, maximum, 250 HP and 300 damage. M-Charizard X has 230 HP and a 300 damage attack for a pretty big cost. I don't think Game Freak or Pokemon will let it get any higher than that. Your thoughts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Mar 2014 21:43:49 No.18534936 Report

Quoted By: >>18535094

>>18534809
They better cap it at that

I don't want Poggeyman tcg to look like those Knockoff Chinese cards i bought when i was destitute.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Mon 17 Mar 2014 21:50:01 No.18535027 Report

Quoted By: >>18535094

I hope the TCG doesn't turn into YuGiOh-level strength Pokemon. I'd up and quit at that point.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Mon 17 Mar 2014 21:55:34 No.18535094 Report

Quoted By: >>18535135

>>18535027
>>18534936
The only real issue with the strength is the disparsity between the strength of different stage pokemon.

It's really awkward that we have basics that are 130-180 HP, but if a basic can evolve, it doesn't exceed ~50 HP, as well as stage ones almost never exceeding ~110 and stage 2s never exceeding ~140 (with 140 being the rarity)

All coupled with those pokemon tending not to be able to break 60/90/120 damage, While we've been sitting on basics from BW1 era who hit those thresholds, and only get stronger from there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Mar 2014 21:59:10 No.18535135 Report

Quoted By: >>18535520 >>18535566

>>18535094
Surely we need to bring down EX pokemon to the levels of RSE-era cards.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Mon 17 Mar 2014 22:32:01 No.18535520 Report

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>>18535135
I don't think bringing down EX Pokemon health is going to be as easy as we want it to be. It takes at least two to three years for a card to be put out of cycle, so we're looking at potentially six years of bad card releases in order to drop the power creep down, which might seriously injure sales, or one big release to amp the power and health and break the game another time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Mar 2014 22:33:28 No.18535535 Report

Quoted By: >>18535617

So Mewtwo is to blame.

I wonder if we would get Non-EX variants of Mega Pokemon.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Mon 17 Mar 2014 22:36:40 No.18535566 Report

Quoted By: >>18535864

>>18535135
Nah, that's too much of a de-creep. Leave EX HP at about 160-170, but cap their damage for the most part for non-hassle moves. For stage 2s, increase their HP a bit, improve their attacks, same with stage 1s and evolving basics.

Also, change how evolution mechanics work, wherein you can evolve the turn you are played/on the first turn, but a pokemon can only evolve once a turn.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Mon 17 Mar 2014 22:41:48 No.18535617 Report

Quoted By: >>18535797

>>18535535
Well, no and yes. Mewtwo wasn't the first EX Pokemon; if I remember correctly it was Reshiram, Kyurem, and Zekrom. But Mewtwo was definitely one of those cards which, once it appeared, starting taking things by storm. I mean, X-Ball was definitely an unprecedented move in the meta at the time, wasn't it?

Oh, and I support your want for non-EX Megas, but I have a feeling that we won't get them.

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Anonymous Mon 17 Mar 2014 22:50:54 No.18535758 Report

Quoted By: >>18535792

*Order has been shipped*

Yes.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Mon 17 Mar 2014 22:53:14 No.18535792 Report

Quoted By: >>18536023

>>18535758
>buying Bronzong-ex
>buying Arcanine-ex

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Wind-Up Princess Mon 17 Mar 2014 22:53:38 No.18535797 Report

Quoted By: >>18535864

>>18535617
Mewtwo EX WAS the first EX pokemon (along with the 3 dragons), and he was an 80 dollar card at the time of release.

And no, X-Ball wasn't exactly unprecedented. Cobalion was carrying a similar effect before him. What made mewtwo's crazy was that it also counted his energy, meaning loading him up let him do more damage, something previously impossible using that class of move.

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NM2 !RUQvC7GrnY Mon 17 Mar 2014 22:58:54 No.18535864 Report

Quoted By: >>18535953

>>18535566
More HP and somewhat stronger attacks aren't the solution imo. Look at Charizard BCR and Reshiram, players will prefer an attack that does a little lower damage if it's on a strong basic.

Up to now, all stage 1/2 Pokémon that did well in the meta had something unique. Gardy/Gardy ex and Blaziken/Blaziken ex had a nice combo in the same evolution line, Ludicolo DX/Magcargo DX could search for any card, Gyarados SF, Beedrill GE, Machamp SF, Jumpluff HGSS, etc had interesting, unique attacks, Magnezone Prime had built-in drawpower, and so on. In order for stage 1/2 cards to be playable, they need something to set them apart from that era's big basic 'mons. PCL needs to realize that stage 2's can be more than the support cast for EX's once again and print cards accordingly and, to be fair, they're on the right track in XY and Flashfire.

>>18535797
What made Mewtwo even crazier was this motherfucker.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Mon 17 Mar 2014 23:03:12 No.18535912 Report

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Have you guys seen Dragalge's ability? That could be pretty useful for a poison lock deck. Drop a strong Sigilyph at the active spot, Hypnobank.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Mon 17 Mar 2014 23:06:17 No.18535953 Report

Quoted By: >>18536198

>>18535864
Well, yeh, that's why I suggested changing the evolution mechanics. Evolving needs to be faster, pokemon attacks in general need to be better, they need more HP, and they need to be given abilities to make them worth running.

If a Stage 2:
-has a solid ability that helps out the team (Like emboar, aromatisse or others)
-has a solid attack that makes it alright if it's in the lead
-isn't as clunky to get out (as suggested by my changes to evolution mechanics)
-is bulky enough to survive the more general EX attacks (110-130 is not what stage 2s should have for taking up the amount of slots they do)

This is what I mean by improving them. Basically, as long as they have an ability to make them worth being on the team, they'll still be played, but they need the buffed stats and the ability to be pulled out faster if they're going to be more than just ability fodder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Mar 2014 23:10:57 No.18536023 Report

Quoted By: >>18536198

>>18535792
There is no Bronzong ex

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Mon 17 Mar 2014 23:24:22 No.18536198 Report

Quoted By: >>18536236 >>18536322

>>18536023
???
Did you not order the cards at the bottom, or are they ads?

>>18535953
I think speeding up evolution is going to really hurt the game. I mean, imagine the terror of a RayBoar deck if Emboar is out turn 1 and he Junipers, gets a full hand of energy, and sweeps the only active Pokemon on the field. No offense meant, but I think speeding up evolutionary chains would make the game almost too fast. Instead of lasting long, they'd be done in 10 minutes because you can Ultra Ball/Poke Ball/etc for the Pokemon you need, stack your bench with the evolutions, and just start running train before anything else happens. The power creep would continue to climb, but that's my opinion.

I do agree with the Stage 2 ideas, though. Bulkier (like PLF Deafen Dragonite), heavier attacks (I'm going to gun for 100+, or at least 90 with an effect), and possibly release some with the abilities too.

Also, enough with mixing energies with Dragon Pokemon for attacks. They're a total bitch to play.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Mar 2014 23:26:48 No.18536236 Report

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>>18536198
It's Bronzeong, but it doesn't have an ex version.

DPPt's ex pokemon are Lv. X anyway like the Electivire pictured.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Mon 17 Mar 2014 23:32:56 No.18536322 Report

Quoted By: >>18536626

>>18536198
True, Rayboar could present issues in that way, but really, Basics are already pushing the game this way. Evolutions need to be faster in some manner. Maybe keep the 'can't evolve on first turn' bit, but remove the 'you can't evolve the turn you play the pokemon'?

That way second player can't just turn 1 evolve and sweep that way, while also alleviating the roadblock that evolving pokemon make if you don't open with them. I mean decks like Dorkrai and BPB and VirGen are already going fairly fast due to no basics.

Basically, Stage 2s should be on par with EXs, and need to be only slightly more cumbersome than EXs while providing their own value.

Cyrus

Cyrus Mon 17 Mar 2014 23:53:30 No.18536626 Report

Quoted By: >>18537421

>>18536322
I'll take that evolution chain, and raise it a stage. Let's say Tepig is placed on the bench for your turn some time in to the game. It can immediately evolve into Pignite, but unless it's Rare Candied from Tepig to Emboar, it can't evolve directly into Emboar until next turn.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 00:50:12 No.18537421 Report

Quoted By: >>18537479

>>18536626
That's exactly how I was thinking evolution would work.

"A pokemon can not evolve on the first turn" and "A pokemon can not evolve the turn it has already Evolved"

People already go 4-1-4 on lines with 4 rare candy anyways, so the second rule isn't actually a slowdown anyways, while still providing more balance to Stage 2s in limited formats.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Tue 18 Mar 2014 00:54:40 No.18537479 Report

Quoted By: >>18537593

>>18537421
Well, Blastoise would certainly be more of a player in the deck than heavy bench material that can be sniped or Catcher'd in for OHKOs, and Emboar might be able to do SOMETHING useful for once.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 01:02:08 No.18537593 Report

Quoted By: >>18537708

>>18537479
Exactly. With this change, you don't get punished as hard for needing to play your basic after the first turn, which removes one of the disincentives, but still maintiains the somewhat disincentive of requiring 7-12 cards for the line compared to the 2-4 for a basic tech.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 01:14:31 No.18537708 Report

Quoted By: >>18537723 >>18537863 >>18538031

>>18537593
Coupled with my budding idea for emailing Pokemon about making doubles a thing in TCG, this could really add depth to the game.

Cyrus

Cyrus Tue 18 Mar 2014 01:15:31 No.18537723 Report

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>>18537708

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Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 01:30:27 No.18537863 Report

Quoted By: >>18538031

>>18537708
Wondering why TCP suddenly stopped supporting Doubles for TCG

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 01:50:45 No.18538031 Report

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>>18537708
Yeh, As long as they have strong basics and EXs as things, Stage 1s/2s need to be improved.

>>18537863
Probably to streamline design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 01:52:29 No.18538064 Report

Quoted By: >>18538156

Hey /vp/, is this legit?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/390799449781

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 01:58:28 No.18538156 Report

Quoted By: >>18538193

>>18538064
Yeah

Japan actually puts rare cards in their theme decks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 02:00:53 No.18538193 Report

Quoted By: >>18538414 >>18541995

>>18538156
So it's safe for me to buy?
I also thought these weren't coming out till may? Or was that just for N. America

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 02:16:11 No.18538414 Report

Quoted By: >>18538564 >>18541995

>>18538193
Just for America

tbh i have my Japanese Wild Blaze booster box being shipped now

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Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 02:27:11 No.18538564 Report

Quoted By: >>18538651

>>18538414
Where can I purchase the booster box.
Also, here's some xy pack codes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 02:35:05 No.18538651 Report

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>>18538564
I purchased one from amiami, but they sold out on the preorders already lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 02:42:24 No.18538759 Report

Quoted By: >>18538811

This is going to sound like a noob question (which i am), but i've already bought a life pack on TCGO and at this momment i have almost enough to get another, should i get that or buy the destruction one?, and if i bought the life pack again it will have the same cards all over again?

Bell

Bell Tue 18 Mar 2014 02:46:37 No.18538811 Report

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>>18538759
It will have the same cards. it depends if you want different cards, for making a decent deck, you're definitely better buying life a second time and combining the two

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 05:21:42 No.18540633 Report

Quoted By: >>18540668 >>18540715

Bump

What's your favorite deck?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 05:26:40 No.18540668 Report

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>>18540633
Roast Pork

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 05:32:24 No.18540715 Report

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>>18540633
As said, anything that can toolbox well. Six Corners, TransFairy, Mewbox, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 07:50:14 No.18541652 Report

Quoted By: >>18541674

>Try to argue why all cards should be designed with the intention of being viable.
>"Nobody would have any reason to buy cards anymore if all of them were good. Open six boosters and you have 60 good cards = good deck"

It's a completely retarded and flawed reasoning, but I wonder if the PCL guys have some kind of similar irrational fear. I don't really see any other reason to keep this up.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 07:55:06 No.18541674 Report

Quoted By: >>18542261

>>18541652
Actually it kind of is that reasoning, but not exactly. It's the concept of gambling. If every card was easy to get and/or good, then it disincentivizes opening more packs, since the good cards have less value since everything is good.

With the current method, you have enough duds for the gambling effect to go off.

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Binder Guy !!GyXpj9Zujh5 Tue 18 Mar 2014 08:08:16 No.18541699 Report

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>Just learned that my States is having a "bulk card payment" system.
>mfw

Well, looks like I'm saving 15 bucks on Saturday!

Cyrus

Cyrus Tue 18 Mar 2014 09:37:23 No.18541995 Report

Quoted By: >>18542043

>>18538193
>>18538414
Bear in mind that you can use foreign print cards in US tournaments as long as you have at least one English print card of the same kind in your deck to go along with it, e.g., you can't run Charizard-EX yet because there is no English print.

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NM2 !RUQvC7GrnY Tue 18 Mar 2014 09:57:54 No.18542043 Report

Quoted By: >>18542054

>>18541995
That rule has been changed for quite some time. In US tournaments, you can only use english cards, no exceptions. In Europe, you can use cards of any European language, but not Japanese or Korean ones.

Cyrus

Cyrus Tue 18 Mar 2014 10:03:57 No.18542054 Report

Quoted By: >>18542173

>>18542043
Well, shows how much I know about rules. No one really complained when I ran a Dutch Psychic energy, but maybe that was because it was an energy card and not a Pokemon or item card.

You guys ever owned any foreign cards?

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NM2 !RUQvC7GrnY Tue 18 Mar 2014 10:47:41 No.18542173 Report

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>>18542054
I don't think anyone would even notice if you ran foreign basic energy. I know I wouldn't.

I've got a few japanese cards that I bought for collection purposes, mostly some of my favorite Pokémon like Great Rocket's Mewtwo from the TCG sequel on Gameboy or the holo promo Scyther the japs got with their Unleashed/Undaunted equivalent. Other than that, just a few french Unseen Forces cards that I got when I visited France in 2006.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 11:14:24 No.18542261 Report

Quoted By: >>18543136

>>18541674
I don't think it works that way at all.

For example in Dark Explorers, Empoleon is a usable card, but that doesn't make Darkrai EX any less sought after.

I wish there were more examples.

Anyway, I see no harm in setting a standard of non-RR cards on the level of Empoleon or Garchomp or something. That method would lead to more interesting cards while leaving the chase cards like Yveltal EX the main goal for players.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 11:27:12 No.18542298 Report

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>>18533133
>>18533141

thanks

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Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 12:29:43 No.18542511 Report

Quoted By: >>18542541 >>18542625

when

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 12:38:57 No.18542541 Report

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>>18542511
May i think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 12:55:41 No.18542625 Report

Quoted By: >>18558248

>>18542511
thanks, what happened to all the
>X/Y sets are going to be released the same time world wide!

huehue, japan sure showed them scrubs

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 13:06:09 No.18542670 Report

Quoted By: >>18542695 >>18542812 >>18542957

Alright, guys: I want to start playing again (I already know a bit about the metagame), an I've told the best time to start is right after the launching of something new.
X/Y just popped, and I want to make a deck for competition. However, I don't want to go full on archetypes. Is there a way to make a competitive deck outside Emboar/Victni/Delphox, Darkrai/Yveltal, Aromatisse/Slurpuff/Xerneas or Virizion/Genesect?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 13:12:24 No.18542695 Report

Quoted By: >>18542812

>>18542670
Not really, no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 13:48:12 No.18542812 Report

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>>18542670
>>18542695
There aren't just these archetypes, however. More obscure ones do exist (like, Empoleon/Dusknoir) which can make a huge boon if played right.
However, there are only a few decks that can be something; if you aren't running one of those, you'll get crushed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 14:13:01 No.18542957 Report

Quoted By: >>18542995 >>18543143

>>18542670
Yeah, Blastoise or a Garbodor variant of something.
And why Victini in Emboar? I think you mean Rayquaza.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 14:18:58 No.18542995 Report

Quoted By: >>18543143

>>18542957
Turbo Energize
In fact, this is somewhat better replacing Emboar than Rayquaza

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 14:32:58 No.18543064 Report

Quoted By: >>18543095 >>18543103

heya, I got a question
I rarely ever play even tho I collect those since the first set, and recently I built a deck, but some of the cards are from really old editions. Is there any problem with that? I assume official competitions want the latest editions, but lets say, among friends or something more casual, could it be considered some sort of cheating or no problem? I had a guy complain because I was using an old bill card where its a trainer and not a supporter

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 14:37:10 No.18543095 Report

Quoted By: >>18543101

>>18543064
>complaining about Bill
>not mentioning Energy Removal

There were a few overpowered trainer cards back then, but most Pokémon are shit-tier. I don't think most casuals will blame on you, tho.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 14:38:25 No.18543101 Report

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>>18543095
I dont think i still have one of those heh
thanks~

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NM2 !RUQvC7GrnY Tue 18 Mar 2014 14:39:13 No.18543103 Report

Quoted By: >>18543121

>>18543064
As you said, in sanctioned tournaments you can only use cards from the latest sets, this season it's Next Destinies-on. In casual play, just play whatever you want. In any case though, if you use a card that has been reprinted, you play it with its latest wording. Base Set Bill is treated as a supporter even if it doesn't say so on the card. Base Set Potion heals 30 damage, not 20, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 14:39:15 No.18543104 Report

Quoted By: >>18543162

What is the best course of action for one intending to jump into XY metagame?
>Buy a starter deck and build from there?
>Buy loads of booster packs and trade things?
>Buy detached cards specifically for a deck?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 14:43:30 No.18543121 Report

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>>18543103
thanks~ I'll keep that in mind

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 14:46:42 No.18543136 Report

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>>18542261
Except it kinda does. Empoleon might be usable, but not every rare in that set is a usable card. If every rare/UR card you could get from a set was similarly usable, then it means opening packs for stuff you need becomes less of an issue.

It's not that you would be able to build a deck by opening 9-10 packs; it's that any player could open up ~10-15 packs, then have the materials to trade for actual stuff. Incentivization comes from the secondary market for the competitive scene.

However, it is important to note that the simple Existence of Megas and EXs causes the gambling incentive in another group of players who open packs, that being the casual crowd. This is part of the reason why EXs are big, flashy and did some crazy things, because big numbers and flashy text are attractive. If a player knows they could have pulled one of those, but didn't, they're incentivized to go open more packs to try and get one.

It's the same thing that every other card game does. Heck, there's even examples of card games that tried to get rid of the rarity system altogether, and those games failed due to issues with incentivization of pushing product and long term accessibility issues due to how they were trying to apply value to cards.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 14:48:55 No.18543143 Report

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>>18542995
>>18542957
Except that kind of misses the point between the two. Victini would have to waste 2 turns loading up rayray from the deck before ray could kill something, while with emboar, you can just super energy retrieval the energy back then pump out your damage that way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 14:52:22 No.18543162 Report

Quoted By:

>>18543104
buy cards for decks imo,
your going to play competitive?
if you want to open packs, buy online boosters for 1/30th of the price of a real pack.

all depends on how much money you have to blow on kids pokemon cards and how much you love opening dem packs
>muh short lived excitment !

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Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 15:05:31 No.18543235 Report

Quoted By: >>18543378 >>18543400 >>18543431 >>18544129

words cannot describe how much i hate the art direction of PTCGO

niqqa ppls, do you even JAPAN????????

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 15:26:41 No.18543378 Report

Quoted By: >>18544129

>>18543235
No, they KANEDA now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 15:29:39 No.18543400 Report

Quoted By: >>18543431 >>18544129

>>18543235
I remember when I was in upper high school I was in a class that tested some bullshit software called mathletics. The aesthetic is really similar as is the ui, is it the same devs working on both or something?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 15:34:50 No.18543431 Report

Quoted By: >>18543447 >>18544129

>>18543235
>>18543400
It couldn't be worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 15:36:15 No.18543447 Report

Quoted By:

>>18543431
Oh god, Play It! was nightmare fuel more than anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 16:46:52 No.18544103 Report

Quoted By:

>ptcgo down
So I know they usually do this stuff on Tuesday, but I keep forgetting when it usually comes back up. Any idea?

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Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 16:49:49 No.18544129 Report

Quoted By: >>18544135 >>18544144 >>18544537

>>18543235
>>18543378
>>18543400
>>18543431
Same. Why couldn't they just use characters from TCG[2]?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 16:51:03 No.18544135 Report

Quoted By: >>18544144 >>18544510

>>18544129
They had neat design

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Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 16:52:11 No.18544144 Report

Quoted By:

>>18544129
>>18544135
And the main antagonist himself

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 17:35:37 No.18544510 Report

Quoted By:

>>18544135
>Dragon themed deck
>only Dradon is Dragonite

:^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 17:38:42 No.18544537 Report

Quoted By:

>>18544129
>TCG

lol the Main games will never have an AI as good TCG

too bad they can't into Deck building lol 24 basic energy

Cyrus

Cyrus Tue 18 Mar 2014 19:00:28 No.18545448 Report

Quoted By: >>18545901

How many championship points do you need to get into nationals? I'm formulating my devious strategy now.

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Anna Tue 18 Mar 2014 19:13:18 No.18545609 Report

Quoted By: >>18545829

I got this

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Tue 18 Mar 2014 19:35:21 No.18545829 Report

Quoted By: >>18546951

>>18545609
Victini-EX is a start, but... What are you going to do with it?

Bell

Bell Tue 18 Mar 2014 19:39:11 No.18545901 Report

Quoted By: >>18545915

>>18545448
None? 500 to get into worlds.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Tue 18 Mar 2014 19:40:15 No.18545915 Report

Quoted By: >>18545944 >>18545953

>>18545901
I read online that Nationals is a Closed Event and you must have a certain amount of points to enter into the tournament.

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NM2 !RUQvC7GrnY Tue 18 Mar 2014 19:42:52 No.18545944 Report

Quoted By:

>>18545915
Play Points, not Championship Points. Those are different things. It's 15 PP iirc.

Bell

Bell Tue 18 Mar 2014 19:43:47 No.18545953 Report

Quoted By:

>>18545915
Play points. Worlds is the actual closed event. You get Play Points, (maybe they changed the name since last year, i dunno) by just participating in events.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Tue 18 Mar 2014 19:45:46 No.18545981 Report

Quoted By:

In that case, I might as well spill the beans. I'm going to see if I can make it to the Athens and Salt Lake City regionals so I can get a headstart on championship points.

I'm dreaming big, guys. I'm dreaming of Top 8 at Nationals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 19:48:32 No.18546018 Report

Quoted By: >>18546084

Any bets on which decks will become World champions?

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Tue 18 Mar 2014 19:53:38 No.18546084 Report

Quoted By: >>18546235 >>18546271

>>18546018
MINE

My picks, from any of these:

>Darkrai/Yveltal
>Ballista Blastoise
>Top-speed Plasma
>A very strong VirGen
>Dark horse: Darkrai/Garbodor

Honestly, Darkrai is running away with the competition in my book, even though Blastoise is still so strong nowadays. I don't think Fairy Toolbox will stand up to these current decks. Not now, anyways.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 20:05:51 No.18546235 Report

Quoted By: >>18546271 >>18546283

>>18546084
Honestly, I feel the opposite about that, the only time Fairy toolbox doesn't feel like it can handle those is when it's dealing with Ballista Blastoise due to outspeeding energy accel, while it's carrying heavy advantage against those decks trying to focus dark, due to natural res in the engine. Its only real weakness outside of being outsped IMO is against any deck able to push JONK HUNT in order to spam ECH, which utterly decimate's the deck's strategy.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 20:09:10 No.18546271 Report

Quoted By: >>18546455

>>18546235
>>18546084
But as a whole, it's really going to depend on ratios at the tournament, and how people try to tech out FT for it's performance.

VirGen should be favored against Ballista Blastoise, DG should favor against Plasma, FT and VirGen, DY should favor against DG and FT, and FT should be able to wrest favor if it runs the right tools.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Tue 18 Mar 2014 20:10:23 No.18546283 Report

Quoted By: >>18546376

>>18546235
Which is why, in my opinion, DarkGarb is a contender for the best deck in the world at the moment because of the amount of people reliant on abilities.

Now I'm assuming that, when you say ECH you mean Enhanced Hammer. Do you think that Crushing Hammer and Enhanced Hammer together would make such a deck much more difficult to play against? Or are you so reliant on special energy that E.Hammer does more damage?

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 20:15:51 No.18546376 Report

Quoted By: >>18546455

>>18546283
Fairy toolbox is extremely reliant on Special energy to attain its toolbox abilities.

Most of the deck's beaters need non-fairy energy for their attacks, and 2 of the tools (VirEX and DarkraiEX) require the special energy to keep their effects applying. As such, getting the engine running demands keeping at least 1 Special energy floating around to help fuel it.

This is one of the reasons why the Plasma Fairytrans deck is a thing, because it gives you a method to recycle the special energy (though it doesn't run any fairy basic energy, so all transing happens through special energy).

But really, the weakness to ECH is also tied into it's strength as well, due to the fact that you only need a couple of prism/rainbow energy around to keep all effects active at a time.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Tue 18 Mar 2014 20:20:54 No.18546455 Report

Quoted By: >>18546545

>>18546271
I agree with you here too.

>VirGen beats Blastoise because types and HP differences; 200 damage for 2 discards is nothing to sneeze at

>Blastoise beats, well, just about anything because lawlBallista; seriously, that attack is so cheap, even for 3 energy discards which you can get back next turn with Superior Energy Retrieval

>DarkGarb beats Plasma, Toolbox, VirGen... pretty much anything too reliant on abilities. I think Xerneas decks are pretty anti-DarkGarb

>DarkTal beats Toolbox, but in my opinion it goes even with DarkGarb unless the person really hammers out the Yveltal quickly, in which case it's game over

>Toolbox is pretty even against everything, but I don't play it enough to know. From what you're saying, it sounds like it's certainly strong enough to go even with every meta deck

>>18546376
Plasma decks were my nightmare until I picked up DarkGarb. I was running a mill deck and I had to get Sigilyph up fast every game or I was going to be toast in four turns. Once you ECH their energy a few times and once you keep Junk Hunting it back, the deck starts to encounter major issues. I'm assuming the same is true for Fairy Toolbox.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 20:26:55 No.18546545 Report

Quoted By: >>18546659

>>18546455
Yeh, it's similar for it, except it doesn't have Thundurus EX for energy retrieval to ease some of the pain.

And as for the DarkTal/Toolbox matchup, it's more of a dependency on how the DarkTal plays. Fairy toolbox has a natural advantage in getting things up and running in a fairly efficient matter and can out accel the Tal, the big hindrance that DarkTal can do is early pressure ECH and CH to get those special energies gone, because once Toolbox grips the road, it will hammer hard (that and Xerneas EX/Regular Xerneas aren't really much to sneeze at)

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Tue 18 Mar 2014 20:36:34 No.18546659 Report

Quoted By: >>18546746

>>18546545
Rainbow Spear is a very good move. With Aromatisse in play, you can stack energy on other Pokemon, then move it when needed to Xerneas and go for 100 damage every turn if you can.

Are you planning on going to Nationals this year, or any kind of regionals?

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 20:43:23 No.18546746 Report

Quoted By: >>18546865

>>18546659
Probably not. My regionals would be this weekend, and I don't have a deck built proper to play at it (I've been testing with proxies, and I don't have the roughly 46 dollars I probably need to finish the deck.) If I could finish the deck by this weekend I would totally try to go, same with my buddy who would be playing kingninja, since I have like 1000 card bulk.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Tue 18 Mar 2014 20:50:06 No.18546865 Report

Quoted By: >>18546886

>>18546746
Dang man, I had hoped to see you at nationals or a regionals (if I can make them) so we could play against one another. (Hell be damned if I ever get a deck built on PTCGO.)

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 20:51:24 No.18546886 Report

Quoted By: >>18546956

>>18546865
That's the thing, I might be able to get it done in time for regionals if I can flip the rotated stuff from my binder.

Anna

Anna Tue 18 Mar 2014 20:55:56 No.18546951 Report

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>>18545829
I dont know I only have one

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Tue 18 Mar 2014 20:56:37 No.18546956 Report

Quoted By: >>18546991

>>18546886
Spring regionals shouldn't have started so soon, unless you live out of the United States which I can understand. You don't happen to mean states, do you? Winter regionals should have already ended.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 20:59:35 No.18546991 Report

Quoted By: >>18547150

>>18546956
Uh yeh, states is what I meant california states is this saturday and, what I'm missing from my deck is:

-2 DarkraiEX
-1 CobalionEX
-1 Sableye
-1 VirizionEX
-1 Suicune
-2 Xerneas
-2 YveltalEX
-1 Aromatisse
-3 Spritzee
-1 Dowsing Machine
-2 Colress
-1 Escape rope
-3 Skyla
-3 Max Potion
-4 Professor
-4 Ultra Ball
-3 Muscle Band
-2 Tool Scrapper
-1 N
-6 Fairy energy

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Tue 18 Mar 2014 21:11:20 No.18547150 Report

Quoted By: >>18547270

>>18546991
I've got 3 DarkraiEX so if I lived in California I'd definitely let you borrow them, and believe me I could make it to California, but I'm going to Vegas this coming weekend. I've got the Cobalion, Sableye, Suicune, Dowsing Machine, one Skyla, three Juniper, a real N, and a single Fairy energy.

Times are rough for you dude, that's a lot of cards missing from your deck. I know how it feels.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 21:21:38 No.18547270 Report

Quoted By:

>>18547150
Yeh, I'm going to have to dig for the stuff, but if I get lucky I can get it in time. Luckily it's probably only about 50 bucks in stuff, due to most of it being cheap

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Tue 18 Mar 2014 21:31:53 No.18547387 Report

Quoted By: >>18547436 >>18547498

Might as well get a new topic going so the thread doesn't crash and burn. New player questions welcomed.

Alright, so I want to talk about Klaczynski for a second. The dude's a three time world champ and Darkrai is still in the current meta, with which he won last year's Worlds with.

I don't know how many people know the large-scale competitive players, but who would you seed for tournaments based on likelihood to win?

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NM2 !RUQvC7GrnY Tue 18 Mar 2014 21:36:20 No.18547436 Report

Quoted By: >>18547475 >>18547564

>>18547387
>so the thread doesn't crash and burn
But Crush and Burn was good.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 21:39:28 No.18547475 Report

Quoted By:

>>18547436
But rising spiral was better (I still find it funny that current rayrayEX is a functional reprint of old rayray, just with more HP and dragon type)

Bell

Bell Tue 18 Mar 2014 21:41:48 No.18547498 Report

Quoted By: >>18548701

>>18547387
Klaczynski is a faggot.

Jay Hornung and Sam Chen are two of my favorite players, and they're each great people in real life. The Top Cut does articles on their fantasy drafts for Nationals and Worlds every year. I think those are particularly interesting.

There are plenty of players on par with Klaczynski and Pooka. Neither is well rounded. Klaczynski consistently does poorly at Nationals and Pooka usually does terribly at Worlds.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 21:48:15 No.18547564 Report

Quoted By:

>>18547436
>Metagross d

Don't do this to me, anon.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Tue 18 Mar 2014 21:53:29 No.18547621 Report

Quoted By: >>18547660

Damn, I think I just nostalgia'd at Delta species. I hope Pokemon brings it back. I liked having a fire-type Taillow in my deck to run against people.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 21:57:13 No.18547660 Report

Quoted By: >>18547739

>>18547621
Delta EX sounds like it would be crazy.

>Metal FlygonEX delta
>Fighting MetagrossEX delta
>Metal VictiniEX delta

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Tue 18 Mar 2014 22:02:50 No.18547739 Report

Quoted By: >>18547791 >>18547866

>>18547660
>Fire Mewtwo EX
>Dark Xerneas EX
>Metal/Dark Yveltal EX
>Electric M-Charizard

Oh Sugimori, stop me now, I get dizzy thinking of the depth added

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Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 22:06:52 No.18547791 Report

Quoted By: >>18547866

>>18547739
>Metal/Dark Yveltal EX

sweet mohter of Jesus, just imagine.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 22:13:28 No.18547866 Report

Quoted By: >>18547909

>>18547739
>>18547791
Yeh, delta species was best mechanic.

Not to mention that we can finally get abilities into design spaces they wouldn't be in normally.

Also, a full steel set from deltas would be pro as fuck.

Cyrus

Cyrus Tue 18 Mar 2014 22:17:47 No.18547909 Report

Quoted By: >>18547940

>>18547866
Imagine... A Steel deck that is actually good in the meta! Man I would buy silver sleeves in a heartbeat.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 22:21:03 No.18547940 Report

Quoted By: >>18548701

>>18547909
Yes, I want this so hard, Steel's my favorite type and I always feel bad that it gets kind of stinted outside of toolbox decks.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Tue 18 Mar 2014 23:26:51 No.18548701 Report

Quoted By: >>18548998 >>18549064

>>18547498
Do you mean he's actually a faggot, or that he's a terrible human being? I get confused when this kind of shit pops up.

>>18547940
TCP should make everyone hate Steel decks... by making them immune to Poison. Imagine the massive trolls that would flood the scene.

Which reminds me. When are they going to make a good Steel Pokemon that I can actually use as a viable deck? Toxicroak is my next deck after September rolls around and I want a Steel back-up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 23:29:53 No.18548756 Report

Quoted By: >>18548905 >>18549064

Back when Steel Energy was special.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Tue 18 Mar 2014 23:40:38 No.18548905 Report

Quoted By:

>>18548756
I remember when that first came out, as well as when Dark Pokemon first came out (not the Dark type). Man, Pokemon sure has changed a lot...

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Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 23:44:34 No.18548954 Report

Quoted By: >>18549040

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 23:46:59 No.18548998 Report

Quoted By: >>18549040 >>18549082

>>18548701
CobalionEX will probably be standard in toolbox decks to deal with pyroar thanks to it's shred attack.

Though really, in toolbox decks, Latias EX might be superior as it will prevent the damage of MoI pyroar as well as having the shred effect.

Basically, the 3 that you'll see are:
-CobalionEX (100 damage will OHKO MoI with muscle band, however can be OHKO'd by pyroar due to weakness)
-GiratinaEX (90 damage, will OHKO MoI with muscle band, and can OHKO Black Ballista Kyurem with shred alone)
-LatiasEX (70 damage, can not OHKO MoI with muscle band, but can't be damaged by Pyroar)

Really, I should probably put in giratina EX over Cobalion EX, due to relevant SEs.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Tue 18 Mar 2014 23:49:43 No.18549040 Report

Quoted By: >>18549082

>>18548954
>splash
>10 damage
ban from competitive play

OH GOD, METAL GYARADOS. Why anon, why!

>>18548998
As a man who ran a Latias-EX for a full game with a mill deck without my opponent being able to Catcher it out, I can testify for it's usability in any deck.

Bell

Bell Tue 18 Mar 2014 23:51:02 No.18549064 Report

Quoted By: >>18549141

>>18548701
He's a terrible human being.
>>18548756
>Calling it steel energy

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Tue 18 Mar 2014 23:52:17 No.18549082 Report

Quoted By: >>18549141 >>18549157

>>18548998
>>18549040
Oh, but shred Cobalion also has a 1 energy attack that is free ECH and 30 damage.

Basically all 3 have their utility, but it really depends if you want the Black Kyurem Coverage, Total Hosing of ability pokemon, or a pokemon that has a 1 energy ability and can hose opposing toolbox decks.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Tue 18 Mar 2014 23:56:35 No.18549141 Report

Quoted By: >>18549173 >>18549269 >>18549448

>>18549064
Bell you need to win Worlds this year. No excuses. Pack yer bags, you leave yesterday.

>>18549082
ECH is being cycled in September, so it's not going to be a huge annoyance for much longer. I keep forgetting they made Giratina-EX a thing. Dragon-type Pokemon in the TCG usually seem to flop pretty hard unless they're Latias or Dragonite.

You can cover Black Kyurem via Toxicroak Poison lockdown with Dragalge and Garbodor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 23:57:26 No.18549157 Report

Quoted By: >>18549269

>>18549082
>ECH
Stop using that C dude.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Mar 2014 23:58:35 No.18549173 Report

Quoted By: >>18549186

>>18549141
A-are you using Garbodor to lock Dragalge's ability? Pro play.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Tue 18 Mar 2014 23:59:16 No.18549186 Report

Quoted By: >>18549274

>>18549173
FUCK.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Wed 19 Mar 2014 00:05:22 No.18549269 Report

Quoted By: >>18549368

>>18549157
Sorry, it just seems apt when shortening it.

>>18549141
And yes you could do that; but what I'm referring to is that Cobalion has the Enhanced Hammer effect on it's first attack, so it can be useful in something like the mirror while being useful against MoI Pyroar.

Giratina's advantages are mostly that it can Shred OHKO B-Kyurem EX and like Cobalion can OHKO MoI with a muscle band.

Really, Latias seems like the least useful of the 3 EX shredders listed. I'm going to check and see if I can find another one with shred to toss into the comparison table.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Wed 19 Mar 2014 00:05:55 No.18549274 Report

Quoted By:

>>18549186
In that case, probably best to run just the uh... Garbodor or Dragalge... B-but not both

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Wed 19 Mar 2014 00:14:35 No.18549368 Report

Quoted By: >>18549426

>>18549269
Latias is best for stalling. Its attack isn't strong enough to warrant itself a place among the Shred Pokemon.

Cobalion I can see being useful, and Giratina too if you want to take the time to run those kinds of energy with it. I almost forgot Black Kyurem was weak to Dragon Pokemon. I'm so used to spreading damage and slowly knocking it out. Never been much of a fan for big-time OHKO moves.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Wed 19 Mar 2014 00:19:26 No.18549426 Report

Quoted By: >>18549610

>>18549368
remember, Prism and Rainbow energies are things, so decks using prism that would run cobalion would also be able to use giratina to similar capacity (especially since both of them are likely going to be using 2 rainbow energies).

So for toolbox decks, they are both equally playable in regards to their shred effects, so it's determining which you need.

Also, I just wanna say HTL+W Kyurem Emboar deck sounds pro.

Bell

Bell Wed 19 Mar 2014 00:21:32 No.18549448 Report

Quoted By: >>18549610

>>18549141
I've came close before.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Wed 19 Mar 2014 00:36:19 No.18549610 Report

Quoted By: >>18549698

>>18549426
I planned on building a White Kyurem Emboar deck, until I found out that White Kyurem is debatably bad without Crystal Edge. I'm still trying to iron out that Toxicroak 50 damage poison strategy I've been yammering on about, I think it could be good. Maybe put it in with Emboar and White Kyurem? If only they didn't make Ice Burn do 150. I think 200 would have been fine, add in the burn and you've broken the game more than Deluge Black Kyurem ever could.

>>18549448
No more coming close. The pressure's mounting. The hype is real. The stakes are real. The steaks are real. C'mon man, it's all you. When you win, say this: "All I've got to say is that Cyrus should have won. Too bad he got vanned."

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 00:44:13 No.18549673 Report

Quoted By:

lol so Japan doesn't actually have PTCGO?

Wind-Up Princess

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Wind-Up Princess Wed 19 Mar 2014 00:46:08 No.18549698 Report

Quoted By: >>18549718 >>18549912

>>18549610
Nah, White Kyurem EX doesn't need the spear.

You attach it with a Muscle Band it has a solid chance of OHKOing EXs, HTL does similar (especially laserbank), and If you have both, you assuredly crush them. Only thing that doesn't really make it worth it is that Rayquaza is better in general.

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Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Wed 19 Mar 2014 00:48:31 No.18549718 Report

Quoted By: >>18549753

>>18549698
Rayquaza is too hard to set up in my opinion. Plus you don't get the bonus of burn, which when equipped with Muscle Band, should OHKO all 180HP Pokemon thanks to burn. Then you can Fandango it back on. I guess it comes down to what you like to run in your deck, whether you want to crank out 60x every turn by discarding all energy or discarding 2 for 180 damage max.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Wed 19 Mar 2014 00:51:19 No.18549753 Report

Quoted By: >>18549847

>>18549718
The issue with burn is that it's 50/50 for dealing damage, and Rayquaza is basically functionally identical to Fire version of Black ballista. You attach 3 energy to it, then pitch the fires, deal 180, then SER/Professor's letter the energy back.

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Wed 19 Mar 2014 01:00:21 No.18549847 Report

Quoted By: >>18549869 >>18549958

>>18549753
Well you can't Professor's Letter to get energy back from discard, but I get what you mean.

There's this dick at my league who runs a RayBoar deck and he always boasts about how good he is. Maybe I'm biased because of it because (if you'll excuse the slang) I roflstomp him every game we play.

I guess I'd rather
>Ice Burn => Energy Retrieval => Fandango => Ice Burn
than
>Dragon Burst => Superior Energy Retrieval (discard 2) => Fandango => Dragon Burst

At least with W-Kyurem I can still use his first attack if I haven't been able to get a water energy out. Maybe HTL would be a better solution here, as you said earlier. Plus Kyurem just looks cool. Don't get me wrong, love Rayquaza, but I like TCG Kyurem more.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Wed 19 Mar 2014 01:02:26 No.18549869 Report

Quoted By: >>18549942

>>18549847
Yeh, both seem like they're really cool to use. It seems even funnier if you use both with 1-2 electric, 1-2 water and 1 blend

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 01:07:10 No.18549912 Report

Quoted By: >>18549959

>>18549698
I think white Kyurem actually has one of the few good Full arts.

Cyrus

Cyrus Wed 19 Mar 2014 01:11:22 No.18549942 Report

Quoted By: >>18550022

>>18549869
Probably the biggest reason W-Kyurem isn't such a highly played deck is because of Keldeo and B-Kyurem. Water beats fire and B-Kyurem is significantly easier to set up in my opinion. Don't know why, it just seems that's how the cards work. With Keldeo you can rush in and take the 150+burn or poison if HTL'd, then Float Stone out and Ballista the fully charged W-Kyurem.

(This, again, goes back to my belief that lockdown decks are the strongest types of decks because you can't simply unload attacks one after another into them if they're set up right, which is usually how the meta is run nowadays.)

Bell

Bell Wed 19 Mar 2014 01:13:12 No.18549958 Report

Quoted By: >>18550022

>>18549847
Well, Rayquaza always takes a knockout. That's why I think it's better. Of course, I still think Blastoise beats them both out.

Cyrus

Cyrus Wed 19 Mar 2014 01:13:14 No.18549959 Report

Quoted By:

>>18549912
(him and Genesect, never forget Genesect-EX and his full art)

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Wed 19 Mar 2014 01:17:46 No.18550022 Report

Quoted By:

>>18549942
But at the same time, the weakness to lockdown decks is that with any significant setup required for them, an aggro deck, which probably sets up easier will just power through the start of the set up, then continue to crush you.

Though yes, you are correct in the fact that one of Ballistoise's advantages is that it has Keldeo who is actually usable and can beat face when loaded with water energy as well, meaning that their blastoise can't be just left to rot without the float stone, while Rayboar can be fucked over by Emboar's heavy retreat and no keldeo to clean it up for it..

>>18549958
Yeh, that's the thing, the decks are pretty much functionally identical, except one can use keldeoEX more efficiently, allowing it to hose strategies that harm RayBoar. If there was a Fire KeldeoEX, it would probably be on even standing with Ballistoise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 01:23:55 No.18550128 Report

Quoted By:

>Kaiba's VA voices a Pokemon Card game commercial featuring Genesect EX

lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 01:37:10 No.18550323 Report

Quoted By:

wow, i didn't know if you complete 7 victories with those starter decks on single player you could add those cards to your collection.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 03:52:19 No.18552479 Report

Quoted By: >>18555755 >>18555761

bump

>Also you realize that Charizard was actually shit competitively back then

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NM2 !RUQvC7GrnY Wed 19 Mar 2014 07:45:11 No.18554403 Report

Quoted By: >>18554424 >>18555472 >>18555755

Coming in May.

Binder Guy !!GyXpj9Zujh5

Binder Guy !!GyXpj9Zujh5 Wed 19 Mar 2014 07:50:47 No.18554424 Report

Quoted By:

>>18554403
>Charizard EX box.

I freaking knew it...

That probably means that the fall Tins will consist of the starter EXs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 08:31:16 No.18554575 Report

Quoted By: >>18554903

Why isn't VirGen being played more? With G-Booster it gets past all Abilities and effects. It has a great attack. I know depending on Virizion, Plasma Badge, Grass energy, and Colress Machine by turn 2 isn't that great, but does it really auto lose to anything? With Red Signal it can drag up any Pokemon. I want to build it, but I just wanted some other people's opinions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 08:41:07 No.18554620 Report

Quoted By: >>18554927

proper simulator when

Cyrus

Cyrus Wed 19 Mar 2014 09:46:17 No.18554903 Report

Quoted By:

>>18554575
VirGen is an amazing deck. But the problem lies in the strength: too dependent on that G Booster. If you can knock out the only Genesect with the G Booster, the deck suffers tremendously. You can tech in a Lugia and hope for the best, don't get me wrong, and Lugia can be a horrible thing to face. I would kill to run a VirGen deck with all Genesect full arts.

Also, I think VirGen is one of the most regional-based decks. I rarely see it in Florida, it sounds like you don't see it in California much. It probably sees more play up north and in the Midwest.

Cyrus

Cyrus Wed 19 Mar 2014 09:56:02 No.18554927 Report

Quoted By: >>18554956

>>18554620
Yes please, I hate having to buy packs on PTCGO only to get shit from everything.

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NM2 !RUQvC7GrnY Wed 19 Mar 2014 10:07:49 No.18554956 Report

Quoted By: >>18555346

>>18554927
You really should trade them for what you need. Much easier that way.

That said, I'm looking for a Skarmory EX and a Xerneas EX if anybody has extras.

Cyrus

Cyrus Wed 19 Mar 2014 12:12:37 No.18555346 Report

Quoted By: >>18556121

>>18554956
I keep hunting for one last Darkrai and two more Junk Hunt Sableye's but everyone wants one and no one is trading them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 12:44:16 No.18555472 Report

Quoted By:

>>18554403
m-muh wallet

Cyrus

Cyrus Wed 19 Mar 2014 13:55:57 No.18555755 Report

Quoted By:

>>18552479
>mfw I realize now how bad Charizard-ex truly was

>>18554403
Well, there's goes all of my money from my upcoming summer job. Thanks, Pokemon.

Also, if anyone pulls a full-set Genesect or full-art Toxicroak, I want it and I will find a way to trade for it, real or online.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 13:58:45 No.18555760 Report

Quoted By:

Miltank/Butterfree is the future. You cannot stop its coming.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 13:59:06 No.18555761 Report

Quoted By:

>>18552479
>double colorless energy is the only thing that can make this even slightly playable
>not even legal at this point

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 14:23:55 No.18555870 Report

Quoted By: >>18556121

What the fuck are gems in TCGO?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 15:03:11 No.18556092 Report

Quoted By: >>18556121 >>18556152

Why did they ever get rid of these types of reverse holo cards? I actually preferred these to the normal versions of cards, whereas with the normal reverse holo cards I actually give them away unless I don't have a normal version of them.

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NM2 !RUQvC7GrnY Wed 19 Mar 2014 15:08:32 No.18556121 Report

Quoted By: >>18557168

>>18555346
I have 2 spare Sableye, I see they're going for one pack each, if you have any 2 packs, send me an offer.

>>18555870
Things you buy with real money and use to buy packs and decks online. Only released in Canada for now.

>>18556092
I liked them a lot but almost every single reverse holo I have from that era has warped terribly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 15:12:15 No.18556152 Report

Quoted By: >>18556277

>>18556092
Did the trading card game change a lot since I've been away, or does that Lightning Blow move blow serious donkey cocks and balls? 4 energy cards and 70 damage in recoil to deal 70 damage? Are they mad?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 15:32:59 No.18556277 Report

Quoted By: >>18556446

>>18556152
That's actually a relatively old card. It was released closer to the base set than it was to the newer sets.

Also, read the Poke-Body. You're supposed to attach a Holon Energy to it so that way it DOESN'T hurt itself with the Lightning Blow attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 15:57:43 No.18556446 Report

Quoted By: >>18556467 >>18557191

>>18556277
Does Holon energy do anything else that is special? Does it count as any energy type or something?

It still blows, anyway. 4 energy for 70 damage is still bad. 2-3 energy to deal 50-70 damage was fairly commonplace back in the day.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 16:00:50 No.18556467 Report

Quoted By:

>>18556446
Holon energy were pretty neato. There were actually three of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:05:12 No.18556913 Report

Quoted By: >>18560212 >>18561183

Yo dudes, I got two Xerneas EX tins, so you can have some codes. If you would be so kind not to take more than one starting from the top, it'd allow as many people to get something as possible, but of course I have no way to enforce this.

UEW-EKPJ-H89-HX7
7SN-7TJM-UX7-B49
UBY-W7X9-HH9-XWX
F94-77ER-8RA-AU7
7SL-QNHU-NR4-YGF
H4Q-A8LN-A64-YWM
EXB-UVC9-54E-YCK
XHB-E8U5-TK5-PGQ
MUB-ECQT-RBB-XKW
Q7N-N5AC-3WD-4KN

Oh, and once they are all gone, please let me know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:32:54 No.18557168 Report

Quoted By:

>>18556121
>I liked them a lot but almost every single reverse holo I have from that era has warped terribly.
This. I actually think that is why they phased them out. I have or had (I might have gotten rid of it in a fit of stupidity) a reverse holo Surskit that was actually a good semicircle when viewed from above.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:35:59 No.18557191 Report

Quoted By: >>18557428 >>18557465

>>18556446
It was meant to give you a choice.
You could build up Rayquaza over 4 turns (using a Holon energy, some energy, and metal and lightning energies) and have a no downside 70 (which was actually semi decent, especially with the power blow being able to be further powered up if you started dumping energy on it), or you could double colourless, metal, lightning to blow up one, maybe 2 support pokemon before Raquaza Delta Species went down.

It was far from top tier, but it was certainly playable in some Holon decks of the day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 18:06:40 No.18557428 Report

Quoted By:

>>18557191
Double Colorless wasn't legal at that time. Double Colorless wasn't printed from Base Set 2 until Heartgold and Soulsilver.

Bell

Bell Wed 19 Mar 2014 18:11:54 No.18557465 Report

Quoted By: >>18557533

>>18557191
Honestly, that card was never close to playable. 70 damage for 4 energies on a Lightning type was never anything special.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 18:20:54 No.18557533 Report

Quoted By: >>18557650 >>18558312

>>18557465
Not to mention Holon decks were crazy, Lightning was one of the more common types for Delta Species pokemon to be since there were so few Lightning pokemon at the time, and they generally had pretty decent at worst effects.

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NM2 !RUQvC7GrnY Wed 19 Mar 2014 18:35:45 No.18557650 Report

Quoted By:

>>18557533
Feraligatr was one of the better ones although it still wasn't considered a top deck. As far as Delta and Lightning go, Metanite and Rayquaza ex δ were the big things.

Speaking of Delta, I'm trying to put together a couple of Kingdra decks for a friend and I remember Kingdra ex δ being used at some point. The point was to swarm them and have them tank hits with Extra Smoke. Can somebody who played back then tell me if this list is ok? Mainly looking at you Bell.

4-3-4 Kingdra ex δ
2-1-2 Flygon δ
2-2 Fearow δ
4 Holon's Castform
1 Holon's Magnemite

4 Rare Candy
4 Transceiver
3 Holon Mentor
3 Holon Researcher
3 Holon Adventurer
1 Holon Farmer
2 Crystal Beach

7 Fighting
4 δ Rainbow

56 cards total. Still looking for the remaining 4. Thinking of Windstorm to counter Cessation Crystal which fucks the deck sideways.

Tony 1478-3799-3719

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Tony 1478-3799-3719 Wed 19 Mar 2014 19:26:44 No.18558179 Report

Quoted By:

Have codes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 19:31:38 No.18558248 Report

Quoted By:

>>18542625
it was a rumor that started when gamefreak announced the simultaneous release of the vidya games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 19:36:40 No.18558312 Report

Quoted By: >>18558353

>>18557533
I really like the Delta Illustrations, they depict Pokemon with powers not their usual type.

Like a burning Gardevoir.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 19:39:57 No.18558353 Report

Quoted By:

>>18558312
Yeah, that's the entire point, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 21:19:07 No.18559673 Report

Quoted By: >>18560212

Will Elesa get da Full Art?

Cyrus

Cyrus Wed 19 Mar 2014 21:56:18 No.18560212 Report

Quoted By: >>18560585 >>18561014

>>18556913
I'm going to use some, thanks anon.

>>18559673
She's not a highly played supporter now, so I'm going to say probably not. Usually they like to print full art cards for popular ones. Sycamore will most likely see a full art and the upcoming Lysandre already has a full art.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 22:26:33 No.18560585 Report

Quoted By: >>18560799

>>18560212
hnnnn Wasn't Iris's card pretty mediocre?

Cyrus

Cyrus Wed 19 Mar 2014 22:46:14 No.18560799 Report

Quoted By:

>>18560585
Iris, in my opinion, is good for cranking out late-game knockouts. Things that normally wouldn't OHKO, for example, when boosted by Iris really help move the game along.

I was playing with a Round deck one time and there were like 3 on my field, I wasn't doing much damage and I was losing. Turned it around when I Catcher'd in his fully-charged Rayquaza and cranked out enough damage with Iris to knock him out and turn the game in my favor.

I really like Iris. But when you're tight for deck space, probably best to play it safe and use only what you need to succeed. Think of it as a tech.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 23:07:30 No.18561014 Report

Quoted By: >>18561058

>>18560212
>Usually they like to print full art cards for popular ones

mfw Full art Tierno

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 23:09:47 No.18561040 Report

Quoted By: >>18561058 >>18565993

Will they even reprint Skyla's effect in the future.

Cyrus

Cyrus Wed 19 Mar 2014 23:12:31 No.18561058 Report

Quoted By: >>18565993

>>18561014
They did one for Cheren!

>>18561040
Probably not as Skyla herself. Maybe as a different character so the TCG stays current with the generation changes. She's not getting cycled for another year at least, so that's the good news.

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Wed 19 Mar 2014 23:23:13 No.18561183 Report

Quoted By:

>>18556913
All of these have been redeemed by someone else. I don't mind, but to whoever took the codes, just next time tell someone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 23:27:22 No.18561255 Report

Quoted By: >>18561282 >>18561308 >>18561338 >>18561340

Hey guys I need some help locating a booster box

I'm trying to find by any means a 1st edition factory sealed base set booster box. I want to open one and pull charizard for sentimental reasons. "never pulled one as a kid in gen 1"

I know the prices look crazy online but I know thats just the surface and that they're around for much less than that. The ones listed online probably arn't even selling i'd think.

Where would I go to really find one of these? I want to get one for under 1k

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 23:29:43 No.18561282 Report

Quoted By: >>18561357

>>18561255
if youre being serious, try old comic shops that went out of business. Toys R Us anyplace that was around during the boom of the card game can have boxes of shit that just get left behind or lost and then found years later etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 23:31:59 No.18561308 Report

Quoted By:

>>18561255
Just buy a Cheap used 25$ legendary collection charizard card.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 23:33:53 No.18561338 Report

Quoted By:

>>18561255
>I know the prices look crazy online
How crazy?

Something that rare should cost around $3000

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Wed 19 Mar 2014 23:33:58 No.18561340 Report

Quoted By:

>>18561255
Gosh man, a FIRST EDITION factory sealed BASE SET booster box? That's extremely hard to come by, especially in today's world. You could look around your local shops and ask the owners if they ever came across someone claiming to have such a box.

Buying online costs a lot of money, but if you're that set on going for it, I think it would be ideal for you to start online and go from there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 23:35:13 No.18561357 Report

Quoted By:

>>18561282
I like the sound of that advice but i've got one thing thats confusing me

How do you find stores that aren't around anymore? Is there a way to find them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 23:41:50 No.18561436 Report

Quoted By:

Reminds me of that one who bought an English Skyridge Booster box for 100$ from some Third-world country.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 23:57:42 No.18561669 Report

Quoted By: >>18562206 >>18562448

So guys, where do I buy japanese shit from. I've heard Ebay's okay but you can get shit cheaper elsewhere. I think it might be fun to open a few packs of Wild Blaze before it hits America.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 00:28:48 No.18562206 Report

Quoted By:

>>18561669
Order from Japanese sites, or from Japanese card shops. But I don't think they particularly like international shipping.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 00:42:47 No.18562448 Report

Quoted By:

>>18561669
Any site that imports Japanese products like amiami and cdjapan will have pokemon cards.

Cyrus

Cyrus Thu 20 Mar 2014 01:05:19 No.18562750 Report

Quoted By: >>18562890

Alright guys, aiming to bring a new member to the Pokemon TCG family tomorrow. Wish me luck, I kind of had to build a potluck deck for her to use!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 01:15:51 No.18562890 Report

Quoted By:

>>18562750
頑張って

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 02:59:31 No.18564150 Report

Quoted By: >>18564469

Whats up guys!

Just getting back in to collecting pokemon cards. I used to as a kid when they first came out, then I stopped during the gen 2 days. Then I got back into it for a few months with 2 friends in high school (DPP era) and we had a lot of fun but unfortunately my 1 friend's house burnt down with both of their cards in it and we stopped after that. Then I gave all of my cards to my nephews.

But now I'm back in it and looking forward to starting fresh. I'm not really in it to play the game, especially competitively, but more of a collector. My goal is to fill my "card pokedex", which is what I had originally done as a kid in gen 1 (dat feeling when my friend gave me the clefable I needed to finish it >>>>>>)

So I have a question:
In one "generation cycle", do they usually include at least one card for each pokemon? I ask because I intend to collect only from X&Y sets and forward.

Thanks in advance and I will definitely be supplying you guys with code cards in the future.

(P.S. does anyone else not really like the artwork on most EXs? I pulled a Xerneas EX in my Elite trainer box and it's pretty ugly. Full arts are cool but I like traditional holos the best)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 03:27:42 No.18564469 Report

Quoted By: >>18564509 >>18564709 >>18570180

>>18564150
>(P.S. does anyone else not really like the artwork on most EXs?

I like all EX Artwork but some Full Arts are just disappointing.

Like Raikou, it's just in a neutral position staring at you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 03:31:06 No.18564509 Report

Quoted By: >>18564709

>>18564469
That Raikou is actually one of my favorite FAs.

Wind-Up Princess

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Wind-Up Princess Thu 20 Mar 2014 03:50:57 No.18564709 Report

Quoted By: >>18565408

>>18564509
>>18564469
I'm actually very much a fan of FA Cobalion. Jirachi EX's is cool as well.

I'm actually surprised that most of my top favorite pokemon who have gotten FAs have all had at least 1 good one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 04:58:49 No.18565405 Report

Quoted By: >>18565737

Are there any resources describing th e other metagames that got rotated out of format? So far I can only find the baseset/Jungle/fossil meta being talked about on smogon and its really nice they break down the cards that were popular

Wigglytuff was such an S tier beast back then I had no ideah

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 04:59:09 No.18565408 Report

Quoted By:

>>18564709
Dam that's beautiful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 05:36:04 No.18565737 Report

Quoted By:

>>18565405
I think that they also did reviews of the metagame in the second rotation, and maybe the third one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 06:12:01 No.18565993 Report

Quoted By:

>>18561040
>>18561058

Clemont is my guess for who will be the Skyla reprint. All those inventions, man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 07:02:33 No.18566331 Report

Quoted By: >>18568046

Anybody here play the TCG online, or is it for plebs? (It's free, so I'll still play either way. Ai is retarded and programming is a shit but it's free and the ass was fat)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 13:26:22 No.18567843 Report

Quoted By:

bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 13:53:40 No.18568046 Report

Quoted By:

>>18566331
tcgo is okay

i wish they didnt use barbie-tier character designs

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 15:41:23 No.18568736 Report

Quoted By: >>18568858 >>18570711

Fuck it, a general as good a as any to ask, any tips for beginners, both physical and online?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 16:00:40 No.18568858 Report

Quoted By:

>>18568736
Use big fat EX pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 16:14:10 No.18568957 Report

Quoted By: >>18568974 >>18569002

Just a random idea.

Stadium: Tower of Mastery

Attacks of each evolved pokémon in play do 10 more damage to opponent's active pokémon. Each evolved pokémon in play gets +20 HP.

Would megas be playable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 16:17:39 No.18568974 Report

Quoted By:

>>18568957
'no'

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 16:23:30 No.18569002 Report

Quoted By:

>>18568957
The issue with megas is the fact you have to waste a turn evolving as opposed to attacking. Something akin to a stadium called broken time space would help but at the moment nearly all megas have attack costs that are too high to do anything with. besides I'd rather see the game move away from EXs and back towards stage 1/2s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 16:32:48 No.18569072 Report

Quoted By: >>18569088

why did they drop the lost zone mechanic?

too yugioh for them?

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NM2 !RUQvC7GrnY Thu 20 Mar 2014 16:35:26 No.18569088 Report

Quoted By: >>18569104 >>18570180

>>18569072
They've been trying to simplify the game as much as possible since HGSS. They dropped special Dark and Metal energies, they changed the fossil mechanics to simpler ones, they dropped attacks and abilities with complicated effects, they dropped the Lost Zone, etc etc. Every change is trying to make the game more baby-friendly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 16:38:43 No.18569104 Report

Quoted By: >>18569133

>>18569088
>Lost zone
That term is really familiar, but for some reason I am drawing a blank. I played BJF and came back for a while around ruby and sapphire (whatever one had the first ex pokemon), how did the Lost Zone work again?

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NM2 !RUQvC7GrnY Thu 20 Mar 2014 16:42:36 No.18569133 Report

Quoted By: >>18569164

>>18569104
It's basically the equivalent to Yugioh's "removed from play". Something like a discard pile that you can't recover stuff from. It first appeared in Platinum and it stayed around up until BW.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 16:47:09 No.18569164 Report

Quoted By: >>18570740

>>18569133
So it is like exile in MtG? I hadn't played with the term (was out of the game at the time) but I heard mates talking about it at my FLCS. Was it ever relevant (like exile) or was it more of a housekeeping zone (for use in tournaments when a player draws one too many cards or whatever)?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 18:21:15 No.18569970 Report

Quoted By: >>18570105 >>18570548 >>18571889 >>18582062

>Local Toy Shop has 50% sale on EVERYTHING since they're going bankrupt
>Buy 1 Lugia EX tin and 6 boosters on the side
>Pull 2 holos

Fucking bullshit. Also what kind of Sleeves do you guys use?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 18:37:38 No.18570105 Report

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>>18569970
That sucks. What packs were the singles? And I guess the tin had 2PF, 1PS, and 1BC? I remember avoiding those tins.

Pic related for my current RED sleeves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 18:42:08 No.18570149 Report

Quoted By: >>18570180

Bought 6 XY blisters today, got a mega Blastoise EX, an yveltal EX and a gougeist holo

notbad.jpg

CommanderInTheFlames !DBokVFBeyo

CommanderInTheFlames !DBokVFBeyo Thu 20 Mar 2014 18:47:21 No.18570180 Report

Quoted By: >>18570704

>>18564469

Full art Reshiram from BW is one of the most majestic things to have on your side of the table. I use it as a 'threat' rather than an attacker in Unlimited 150 due to it counting as pokemon-ex there, waiting for a good target to become Active with 120HP or less. I also possess several of the Radiant Collection Reshiram, which is undisputably a work of art.

>>18569088

Lost Zone was the most hideously unfair, un-fun thing they could print as a deck archetype. Think lockdown combo decks in MtG with alternate instant win condition cards.

>>18570149

Not bad for a set with an awful pull rate. Having a ton of non-holo unplayable rares is a bad thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 19:30:44 No.18570548 Report

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>>18569970
>50% off at your local toy shop
Can you please list the name of the place and their phone number? I'd like to order online from them or if they don't do that set up a method of purchase over the phone with them.

I have a lot of friends who are tight on money but in the game right now in need of some new deck material and cards in general. This place would be a haven for them with their limited funds myself included

I mean if they sell booster boxes thats 50% of a whole box which is just, wow, and if they do singles thats also really good for building tcg decks

I'm very interested in this so you can expect me to be in this thread waiting for your response at any time.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 19:37:59 No.18570601 Report

Quoted By:

>Mega Mom EX doesn't have an ability that lets it attack twice.

Into the Binder it goes.

Bell

Bell Thu 20 Mar 2014 19:47:02 No.18570704 Report

Quoted By:

>>18570180
Lost Zone and Lost World were both terrible and over hyped mechanics. Neither were ever usable, and not particularly unfair.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Thu 20 Mar 2014 19:47:22 No.18570711 Report

Quoted By: >>18571621

>>18568736
Go to a place like sixprizes or another competitive site and start reading up on archetypes in the format. choose an archetype that has pokemon you like or feels like your playstyle.

If you want to build on the cheap side, just build DarkBox or FairyBox.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Thu 20 Mar 2014 19:50:10 No.18570740 Report

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>>18569164
It was relevant in a lot of things. My favorite deck, Mewbox, relied on that zone to power up mew prime, whose ability let it use the attacks of any pokemon in the lost zone. By extension there was also a deck called LostGar, whose goal was to lost zone 6 of your opponent's pokemon so your stadium would give you an instant win.

Cyrus

Cyrus Thu 20 Mar 2014 21:08:14 No.18571621 Report

Quoted By: >>18571653

>>18570711
>implying Darkrai is overplayed or cheap
Whoa there, buster

Anonymous

Tips for "I want to get into the game how do I go about this the right way"

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 21:09:44 No.18571643 Report

Quoted By:

1. Get the red genesect collection. If you get two of these, you will have 4x of many of the staple trainer cards in the metagame. You get a deck box, damage counters and all the cards are reverse holo. You also get some booster packs with it and other nice goodies.

For pokemon EX cards that are big in format look to tins that carry them. Darkrai EX/KeldeoEx/DeoxysEx/Lugia And soon yeveltal Ex and other EXs have tins where you buy one for 20 dollars and get booster packs + that ex guaranteed

I can't remember which one but there are certain theme decks out that are really good for giving you more supporters and the energies that you need. I think there was one around the release of the set with genesect EX that was pretty good. Volcarona theme deck or something. Look at the back of the theme decks to see which ones offer stuff you need

Try to stay away from boosterpacks when deck building and just buy the singles of the cards you need online and go to the place where the prices are lowest but reliable for your singles

If you can afford the ink, before buying singles it would actually be a good idea to read up on the metagame and find the good decks, select a deck you want to try and print out cards from online scans, put them to the actual card size put those in card sleeves and just play with the deck printouts IRL. This lets you improve your playing skill and feel out which decks you like or dislike

You can just proxy the whole deck with white paper cut outs and some writing on them if you don't mind that either

This keeps you from committing to buying a ton of singles to build a deck you're going to not play later

You can also watch how these decks play online w youtube videos of matches from TOP CUT pooika/other players and that will also help you judge what you want to play and run

Check out topcut/sixprizes for more pokemon stuff

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Thu 20 Mar 2014 21:10:34 No.18571653 Report

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>>18571621
5 dollars is pretty cheap.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 21:14:23 No.18571700 Report

Quoted By: >>18571718

I have league tonight. Wish me luck, I plan on coming home with another flawless night. DarkGarb forever!

Cyrus

Cyrus Thu 20 Mar 2014 21:16:02 No.18571718 Report

Quoted By:

(I gotta stop erasing my name in this damn name field.) >>18571700 Also, check those dubs. That's a good sign.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 21:29:36 No.18571889 Report

Quoted By: >>18572232

>>18569970
Hey this is the anon who asked for the store number/name earlier just posting to confirm that I am still committed to staying present in the thread in case you come back. If you return and you see my post and wonder whether or not to post because "I might not be here" just letting you know theres no way I won't be

Thats a really great deal for cards and I would love to get in on that

Other anons- If this guy never comes back is there anyway you guys know I could search for this store on my own? Local stores with low advertising presence online can be really hard to find from my limited experience, I can't find this 50% store

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Thu 20 Mar 2014 21:53:08 No.18572232 Report

Quoted By:

Looking at that deck that won states in texas that Pooka was testing out; it seems fun, and really seems viable as a steel deck; however I feel like the list could use modification, Probably to a 3-1-3 line on klingklang and putting in rare candy to help push out an earlier klingklang, as well as some other things.

>>18571889
Frankly I am unsure where you could figure out about such, but my guess is that it's part of a chain, if anything; and as such they probably won't be advertising the lower costs on the main site.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 23:49:17 No.18573340 Report

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I think i spent a little too much in building my binder.

Binder Guy !!GyXpj9Zujh5

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Binder Guy !!GyXpj9Zujh5 Fri 21 Mar 2014 00:23:33 No.18573769 Report

Quoted By: >>18573861

>Just got this year's Player Rewards promos in the mail today.

And they're surprisingly useful this time!

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Fri 21 Mar 2014 00:34:43 No.18573861 Report

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>>18573769
Yeh, I got mine about a week or two ago, They look pretty nice.

Cyrus

Cyrus Fri 21 Mar 2014 01:31:45 No.18574590 Report

Quoted By: >>18574652 >>18574953 >>18583562

DECK: DarkGarb
RECORD: 5-1
WINS: Mew/Mewtwo/Trevanent, Black Ballista Blastoise [2], DarkTal [2]
LOSSES: Xerneas
CHANGES: Discarded N x1, Dark energy x1, Energy Retrieval x1, and Float Stone x1
Added in Crushing Hammer x4

I am not losing to that Xerneas deck again. I would have had that game if I had gotten the Escape Rope out the turn before, and if I had CH to stall for just one more turn. It would have been enough.
I should be 6-0. I'm so pumped up right now, I can't stop until this deck beats Xerneas. It will.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 01:35:07 No.18574652 Report

Quoted By: >>18574953

>>18574590
*I am 6-1, I forgot that I beat a RayBoar deck too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 01:52:37 No.18574953 Report

Quoted By: >>18575092

>>18574590
>>18574652
Ah, that seems like a very solid set of beats. Of course by similar extension, I'd probably take to running 3-4 tool scrapper if I knew Dark Garb was in my meta.

Cyrus

Cyrus Fri 21 Mar 2014 01:57:50 No.18575092 Report

Quoted By: >>18575678

>>18574953
The good thing about DarkGarb for the moment is that Junk Hunt isn't cycled. This upcoming September, the glory days of Junk Hunting will be over. No more recycling Dark Patch and Scrapper'd Float Stones or EH or CH. Darkrai is really going to have to go full partner with Yveltal.

When it does get cycled, I'm building a VirGen and a Toxicroak stall/lockdown deck.

I must sound really edgy. I was just so damn close to beating that Xerneas deck, literally one turn from knocking out the last Pokemon. It made me really upset, this deck doesn't lose in clinchers. I think those Catchers were what did it. She protected herself from Hypnobank with Sweet Veil and knocked out my last Garbodor. The other one was Prized. I would win if we played again.

God, I must sound REALLY edgy.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Fri 21 Mar 2014 02:28:06 No.18575678 Report

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>>18575092
Nah, I can see why you would think about the advantageous situation you have, as it is very solid against Fairytrans for the most part. Of course the big thing would be counterbacking against it. Though really, FairyTrans decks like plasma trans will be able to use the 1-2 turns to push advantage out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 09:23:06 No.18578804 Report

Quoted By:

bump

Binder Guy !!GyXpj9Zujh5

Binder Guy !!GyXpj9Zujh5 Fri 21 Mar 2014 09:47:53 No.18578880 Report

Quoted By:

Okay, time for a deck list...

Pokemon:

>3x Darkrai EX
>2x Yveltal EX
>2-2 Garbotoxin Garbodor
>2x Yveltal
>2x Sableye
>1x Keldeo EX

T/S/S
>4x Professor Juniper
>3x N
>3x Hypnotoxic Laser
>3x Ultra Ball
>2x Skyla
>2x Pokemon Catcher
>2x Evosoda
>2x Muscle Band
>2x Float Stone
>2x Professor's Letter
>2x Enhanced Hammer
>2x Dark Patch
>2x Virbank City Gym
>1x Shauna
>1x Red Card
>1x Energy Switch
>1x Tool Scrapper
>1x Super Rod
>1x Scramble Switch

Energy
>9x Dark

Any suggestions/changes I should take into consideration? I know I need to add 1-2 more Scrappers and possibly drop the Keldeo EX.

Cyrus

Cyrus Fri 21 Mar 2014 09:55:14 No.18578896 Report

Quoted By: >>18578986

I'd take out the Red Card for another Hypnotoxic just because I like having a lot in my deck.

Also, why are you running Keldeo with Garbodor? As soon as Garbotoxin hits the field, Keldeo is dead weight in the deck.

I'd also take out Super Rod for a Switch or Escape Rope. And finally, for the ACE SPEC, I run Computer Search over Scramble Switch solely for its usability. Plus you can Junk Hunt it back. Consider that as well.

Binder Guy !!GyXpj9Zujh5

Binder Guy !!GyXpj9Zujh5 Fri 21 Mar 2014 10:18:20 No.18578986 Report

Quoted By: >>18579478

>Just noticed that Pal Pad is in Japan's Mega Charizard Battle Deck.

Huh, well how about that...

I guess that means we'll get Pal Pad in Flashfire.

>>18578896
>I'd take out the Red Card for another Hypnotoxic Laser.

I'm fine with three, I can easily Junk Hunt for one if I need to use one. I also love using Red Card on my first turn for disrupting my opponent.

But I can see see the issues with it, I might swap it for a second Shauna or a fourth N.

>Also, why are you running Keldeo with Garbodor? As soon as Garbotoxin hits the field, Keldeo is dead weight in the deck.

The deck was originally a Speed Darkrai build that eventually became a Darkrai/Garbodor build when said decks started to win tournaments.

I'll drop the Keldeo then.

>I'd also take out Super Rod for a Switch or Escape Rope.

I'd take it out, but it's the only way for me to get back any dead Sableye and/or Trubbish that I'm forced to start with.

> And finally, for the ACE SPEC, I run Computer Search over Scramble Switch solely for its usability.

I decided to run Scramble Switch in this deck because is works well with Yveltal, I can use it to move the Energy from a damaged Darkrai/Yveltal to a fresh one without issue. I also tested it out with Scoop Up Cyclone, but that was situational (But it did net me a match win with a very funny trick).

I'll try to pick up a Comp. Search by tomorrow, but I can't guarantee that...

Bell

Bell Fri 21 Mar 2014 12:57:52 No.18579478 Report

Quoted By: >>18579548

>>18578986
Don't drop Keldeo. You don't need Garbo in every matchup, and in those you don't Keldeo is huge.

Binder Guy !!GyXpj9Zujh5

Binder Guy !!GyXpj9Zujh5 Fri 21 Mar 2014 13:16:53 No.18579548 Report

Quoted By: >>18579580

>>18579478

Good point, I'm just worried about draw support and being weak to VirGen (Although Genesect rips through everything thanks to G Booster).

I suppose I could swap Scramble Switch with Dowsing Machine, but I'm not sure...

Cyrus

Cyrus Fri 21 Mar 2014 13:24:47 No.18579580 Report

Quoted By: >>18581144

>>18579548
Why run Dowsing Machine when there's Junk Hunt? I see why you would run it in case Sableye isn't active and you need a card, but to me, there are better options.

Also, VirGen gets shut down by early Garbodor, and Scrapper only hurts it worse. Maybe consider Bench Barrier Mr. Mime as a tech to block mirror matches, Megalo Cannon, etc.

Oh, forgot to mention. I know I'm not very known around here but I want to throw in a tip I read on SixPrizes. Go for consistency over too many techs. Look up skeleton lists for your decks and build that one first. Then tweak it, and finally find what you can tech into the deck so the consistency will always be there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 14:56:56 No.18580076 Report

Quoted By: >>18581144

can you still play the dark energy that adds 10 damage?

NM2 !RUQvC7GrnY

NM2 !RUQvC7GrnY Fri 21 Mar 2014 17:22:37 No.18581144 Report

Quoted By:

>>18579580
>Why run Dowsing Machine when there's Junk Hunt?
To get back Virbank City Gym. I actually prefer it over Computer Search in Garbodor since it's supposed to slow down play and get more turns of poison damage with Sableye.

>>18580076
No, it was last printed in Call of Legends which has rotated out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 17:55:16 No.18581457 Report

Quoted By: >>18581513

Any ideas on how to get Pokecoins fast on Pokemon.com? I've restorted to hunting for cards through packs because I'm not getting shit from trading.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 18:01:52 No.18581513 Report

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>>18581457
play those shitty minigames from the main page, that's the only way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 18:52:51 No.18581962 Report

Quoted By: >>18583741

>Pooka does poorly at worlds
Thats intended to demean his skill as a player if i'm reading your intent right but think about it. Thats like saying an athlete doing poorly at the olympics is a bad athlete. No they're still incredibly good just not cream of the crop good

Pooka spends a lot of time doing bad deck monday and stuff like that and making vids and stuff. If he found the other higher ranking world players to train with and stepped up his seriousness about training for worlds and sunk more time into practicing he'd do very well there

I believe in pooka

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 19:04:46 No.18582062 Report

Quoted By: >>18582073 >>18582090

>>18569970
Hey guys i'm just wondering. Why did nobody show any interest in this post outside of myself? I mean its a store having a 50% discount on all their pokemon card stuff and nobody showed any visible interest in this. Am I missing something here?

Oh well i'm just going to do some serious tryhard research into this until I can find these stores. Makes more sense financially to buy from stores having discounts like this than anywhere else

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 19:06:04 No.18582073 Report

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>>18582062
>I mean its a store having a 50% discount on all their pokemon card stuff and nobody showed any visible interest in this. Am I missing something here?
Because we can't partake?

Cyrus

Cyrus Fri 21 Mar 2014 19:08:28 No.18582090 Report

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>>18582062
It's a local store so I doubt that they do shipping to other states or even other towns. Plus there's plenty of other options available locally just about anywhere else in the world, and there's plenty online to enjoy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 19:14:03 No.18582132 Report

Quoted By: >>18582248

Will Gym Leader pokes return?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 19:25:05 No.18582248 Report

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>>18582132
Maybe, possibly not. It depends on what they want specialty pokemon to be this time around.

I could see them doing Pokemon - Energized (basically delta fairy or some other aspect of xerneas) and Pokemon - Drained (Delta Dark or some other aspect of yveltal); Team Flare Pokemon, or going back to gym pokemon.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Fri 21 Mar 2014 20:07:15 No.18582745 Report

Quoted By: >>18583422

Still been looking at that Fairy Steel deck that popped up in Texas a couple weeks ago, and I think I have some revisions that might work for it.

1 Darkrai EX
2-2 Aromatisse
1 Virizion EX
2 Cobalion EX
3-1-3 Klingklang
2 Registeel EX
2 Skarmory EX

1 Dowsing Machine
4 Rare Candy
2 Heavy Ball
3 Level Ball
2 Ultra Ball
3 Max Potion
1 Super Rod
2 Tool Scrapper
3 Colress
2 N
4 Juniper
3 Shauna

4 Fairy Energy
4 Prism Energy
4 Rainbow Energy

I also feel like getting 1 fairy garden in here somehow would be good.

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Fri 21 Mar 2014 21:01:27 No.18583422 Report

Quoted By: >>18583570

>>18582745
I would drop the Colress by one. If the opponent doesn't work with a heavy bench, it might not be the best card to have. Shauna is good for the quick 5 draw, Juniper is definitely a must have, and so is N. I always got along just fine with ONE Colress, and I think two is plenty.

Here's the deck list that I fixed for you. Also, that's an awfully large list of Pokemon. Any chance you can streamline it and make the deck more focused? Or is that how Fairy runs? I'm used to smaller Pokemon totals.

POKEMON

1 Darkrai EX
2-2 Aromatisse
1 Virizion EX
2 Cobalion EX
3-1-3 Klingklang
2 Registeel EX
2 Skarmory EX

SUPPORTERS

4 Juniper
3 Shauna
2 N
2 Colress

ITEMS

4 Rare Candy
3 Max Potion
3 Level Ball
2 Heavy Ball
2 Ultra Ball
2 Tool Scrapper
1 Super Rod
1 Dowsing Machine

1 Fairy Garden

ENERGY

4 Fairy Energy
4 Prism Energy
4 Rainbow Energy

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Fri 21 Mar 2014 21:14:22 No.18583562 Report

Quoted By: >>18583581 >>18583756

Here's my current list for DarkGarb. Taking any and all comments, questions, criticisms, etc.

3 Darkrai-EX
3 Sableye (Junk Hunt)
2 Trubbish
2 Garbodor (Garbotoxin)

4 Juniper
3 N
2 Skyla
2 Shauna
1 Colress (finally got a real one!)

4 Hypnotoxic Laser
4 Dark Patch
4 Crushing Hammeryu
3 Ultra Ball
3 Float Stone
2 Muscle Band
2 Escape Rope
2 Enhanced Hammer
1 Tool Scrapper
1 Professor's Letter
1 Computer Search

2 Virbank City Gym

9 Dark Energy

FAQs:
>Why not Keldeo-EX?
I don't have one. I might consider running it if I had the space, though. Maybe someone can free up a slot for me if they really think I need it.

>How come only 3 Float Stones? You should probably run 4 to keep consistency with Garbodor.
I answered this earlier here >>18574590. The reason was so that I could make enough space for the Crushing Hammers and I absolutely needed the room.

>How good is this deck?
Well, it isn't anything to sneeze at. States has shown me that Plasma and DarkTal are the two decks to beat as of currently. DarkGarb isn't doing too good, but it's okay. I believe in it.
Yeah, believe it or not I get asked this question when I talk about Pokemon with my friends.

Please, help me make this deck better. All questions and comments accepted.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Fri 21 Mar 2014 21:14:56 No.18583570 Report

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>>18583422
The list is so heavy because 13 of the pokemon are supporting pokemon (Klingklang, Virizion, Darkrai, Aromatisse)

And yeh, that seems about fine.

The original list from Texas ran 2-2-2 Klingklang, an extra ultra ball, no rare candy, 2 crushing hammer and 1 other thing.

I was personally thinking that being able to use Rare candy as a free search+evo for Klingklang and aromatisse may be the superior deckspace utilization.

The other thing I was also thinking was dropping 1 fairy energy and adding 1 steel energy so you have a hammerproof steel source should you need it.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Fri 21 Mar 2014 21:16:15 No.18583581 Report

Quoted By: >>18583674

>>18583562
Also, for this, I'd personally cut 2 crushing hammer and add in 2 more enhanced hammer, or go 3/3. Enhanced hammer will generally be superior in your problem match.

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Fri 21 Mar 2014 21:26:53 No.18583674 Report

Quoted By: >>18583860

>>18583581
I figured that I could Junk Hunt it back at least one time before Sableye gets knocked out. In the problem matches (Plasma for me, though I really haven't gone against a Plasma deck), I'd like to have two in my hand every turn so I can keep hindering his energy attachment while knocking out the Thundurus with poison or Night Spear. Having a third would give me substantial flexibility.

Say, you have any EH for trade?

Bell

Bell Fri 21 Mar 2014 21:34:41 No.18583741 Report

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>>18581962
Pooka... does do poorly at worlds. That's just it. Obviously he's incredible, just like Jason K (even though he's a chode in real life), Jay, and others. Pooka is the cream of the crop, but he's never done better than me at worlds in masters. Yet, he's still better than I am. The point of my post was to show how good and often underrated players often do better at more events than the two players who are usually considered the most famous, yet Pooka and Jason get a tad more recognition than they deserve in my opinion. There are plenty of other people who are just as good.

Bell

Bell Fri 21 Mar 2014 21:36:33 No.18583756 Report

Quoted By: >>18583797 >>18583874 >>18583905

>>18583562
A better question for the FAQ is: why not Yveltal.

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Fri 21 Mar 2014 21:39:16 No.18583797 Report

Quoted By: >>18583874 >>18583948

>>18583756
Because I'm not running an Yveltal deck, I'm running a Garbodor deck.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Fri 21 Mar 2014 21:45:08 No.18583860 Report

Quoted By: >>18583905

>>18583674
I do not. Pretty much everything I have is commons or uncommons from NDX and stuff for my deck.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Fri 21 Mar 2014 21:46:55 No.18583874 Report

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>>18583797
>>18583756
Though really, he does bring up a legitimate point. You probably should try to fit in 1-2 Yveltal in there to be beaters.

I could see putting darkrai to 2, as when your deck is functioning, darkrai's effect won't be working.

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Fri 21 Mar 2014 21:50:46 No.18583905 Report

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>>18583756
To rephrase, I don't have any room for Yveltal in my deck. To me, there's no reason to run it. It relies so heavily on Dark Cloak, which is shut down thanks to Garbotoxin. I realize that DarkTal is very strong and I don't doubt that it might as well be superior to DarkGarb. But the Yveltal side of the deck isn't what I was going for when I made this deck, that's all.

Seems a bit foolish to take the A-tier deck instead of the S-tier deck, but I enjoy running this one better. Harrison Leven once said, "Don't run what you don't like." Something like that.

>>18583860
Ah well. I'm missing two N's and two Skyla's. Have the Junipers and the Colress and the Shauna, but none of my major items. Thanks anyways.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 21:52:34 No.18583919 Report

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What ever happened to the king of vp?

Bell

Bell Fri 21 Mar 2014 21:56:12 No.18583948 Report

Quoted By: >>18584012

>>18583797
Then you shouldn't play Darkrai. Just attack with Garbodor then.

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G

Cyrus !!uO3fsz5r50G Fri 21 Mar 2014 22:03:08 No.18584012 Report

Quoted By: >>18584123 >>18584124

>>18583948
And make the deck C-tier or worse? That would be shooting myself in the foot. Even Mewtwo wouldn't be a good idea with Garbodor. Why should I remove Darkrai and stick to solid Garbodor instead?

NM2 !RUQvC7GrnY

NM2 !RUQvC7GrnY Fri 21 Mar 2014 22:12:57 No.18584123 Report

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>>18584012
He's being sarcastic obviously. But seriously, try to fit in at least a couple of Yveltal in the deck. They let you deal heavier damage than Darkrai which you need at certain points, especially against that aren't slowed down by Garbodor. For example, a 3-energy Yveltal + Laser can OHKO a Genesect with 3 energy instead of the 2HKO that Darkrai would get and not risk eating a G-Booster in the face the following turn.

Also, you can drop your hammer counts to 2/2 and be perfectly fine. After you drop the first couple, you're supposed to recycle them with Sableye, you really don't need more. I'm not even sure if Crushing Hammer is needed anymore to be honest.

Wind-Up Princess

Wind-Up Princess Fri 21 Mar 2014 22:13:04 No.18584124 Report

Quoted By: >>18584220

>>18584012
He kinda has a point, though. What is darkrai doing for your deck that yveltal isn't? Providing free switches? Because that's what the float stones are doing, since dark cloak should be turned off most of the time. Really, it seems like 1 Darkrai-2 Yveltal might be something to at least try out with your deck to see if yveltal gives you better mileage.

Bell

Bell Fri 21 Mar 2014 22:22:06 No.18584220 Report

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>>18584124
I personally played 1 Darkrai and 3 Yveltal. I quite enjoyed being able to rush people with Y as early as turn two, and lock them down fast as well. Plus, Yveltal doesn't have a damage cap, making it unpredictable. It also checks Keldeo, Blastoise CAN rampage through a Darkrai/Garbo deck with enough energy and Tool Scrapper. Not when Yveltal is checking it though.

Cyrus

Cyrus Fri 21 Mar 2014 22:32:48 No.18584330 Report

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Always had a pretty strong run against Blastoise decks without Yveltal, but hey, I did ask for criticism and comments. I'll switch in an Yveltal and see what I can make of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2014 01:56:55 No.18586549 Report

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bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2014 01:59:11 No.18586576 Report

Quoted By: >>18586672

Please use Darkrai ex for the next thread image.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2014 02:06:29 No.18586672 Report

Quoted By: >>18586695 >>18587062 >>18587207

>>18586576
Yeah, we are nearing bump limit soon. Make sure its the full-art version of him too, whoever makes the new thread.

Someone establish a topic so we can get some interest going, too. This place feels like a group of about 4 people (me, Bell, Wind-Up, and NM2).

Cyrus

Cyrus Sat 22 Mar 2014 02:08:08 No.18586695 Report

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>>18586672

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2014 02:10:02 No.18586716 Report

Quoted By: >>18587062 >>18587231

Will Team Flare Pokemon be as dicks powerful as Plasma pokemon?

Bell

Bell Sat 22 Mar 2014 02:34:09 No.18587062 Report

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>>18586716
Hopefully they never happen.

>>18586672
Well shucks, I'm flattered. Get yourself a name.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2014 02:46:25 No.18587207 Report

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>>18586672
there's always lurkers anon, Also I guess I'm the only one who got bored of darkrai.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2014 02:48:52 No.18587231 Report

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>>18586716
>tfw alot of plasma mons are my favorites

Binder Guy !!GyXpj9Zujh5

Binder Guy !!GyXpj9Zujh5 Sat 22 Mar 2014 03:11:39 No.18587478 Report

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And back to the front page with you...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2014 03:16:07 No.18587533 Report

Quoted By: >>18587691

reminder that

tierno > cheren

Bell

Bell Sat 22 Mar 2014 03:31:41 No.18587691 Report

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>>18587533
This, but if anyone plays Sycamore>Juniper, burn in hell, you certainly ain't my nigga

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2014 03:40:15 No.18587770 Report

Quoted By: >>18587788

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2014 03:41:34 No.18587788 Report

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>>18587770
oops

Binder Guy !!GyXpj9Zujh5

Binder Guy !!GyXpj9Zujh5 Sat 22 Mar 2014 04:02:38 No.18588025 Report

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NEW THREAD!

>>18588012
>>18588012
>>18588012
>>18588012
>>18588012

Bell

Bell Sat 22 Mar 2014 04:11:30 No.18588148 Report

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>>18587788
might I say, before this thread slips the surly bonds of earth to touch the face of God, that Alakazam is the fucking shit man

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