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How to fix this up?

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 06:18:41 No.18553862 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>18553884 >>18553942 >>18558100 >>18560265 >>18567232 >>18567239 >>18573219 >>18573284 >>18576712

Compare with shark dude
> Similarities
> Same typing (Dragon/Ground)
> Dies to ice age
> Does not have Dragon Dance

> Difference
> This one does not have 600 BST
> This one loses to shark guy in speed
> This one does not even learn Outrage without tutor moves

Why do GF keep weaker alternatives?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 06:21:23 No.18553884 Report

Quoted By: >>18554007 >>18560623 >>18576485

>>18553862
Make him Bug/Dragon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 06:21:28 No.18553885 Report

Quoted By: >>18553936

>Why do GF keep weaker alternatives?
What do you want them to do? Erase all existence of Flygon?

It'd be nice if Flygon got some fun new moves and a hidden ability that wasn't levitate, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 06:24:24 No.18553917 Report

Quoted By: >>18553924 >>18576485

I still love using him. I usually end up scarfing him though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 06:25:17 No.18553924 Report

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>>18553917
>him

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 06:25:56 No.18553929 Report

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If anything needed a mega it was this guy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 06:26:20 No.18553936 Report

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>>18553885

They can at least try and fix it up so that it is somewhat different from Garchomp instead of being a weaker counterpart. Like, even Clawitzer and M-Blastoise are slightly different as the latter trades an item slot in exchange for the ability to spin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 06:27:06 No.18553942 Report

Quoted By: >>18553982 >>18556934

>>18553862
I'd say give it Quiver Dance, increase it's Sp Atk by 10, and let it keep Sheer Force as a HA. Now Flygon can do something that Garchomp can't do

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 06:27:46 No.18553946 Report

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use it for defog if you really want to use it over garchomp. It's immune to all entry hazards except stealth rock, which it resists.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 06:29:21 No.18553962 Report

Quoted By: >>18557300 >>18576510 >>18576590

>levitate

Second only to Rotom Fan in terms of fucking useless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 06:31:35 No.18553982 Report

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>>18553942
>Quiver Dance
now THAT would be cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 06:34:15 No.18554007 Report

Quoted By: >>18557019

>>18553884

> Desert Spirit
> Not Fairy/Dragon

Of course, its very existence would be an oxymoron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 16:47:57 No.18556766 Report

Quoted By: >>18556796

..... I just started using Flygon too. I was wondering why he isn't used more often, as I found him to be pretty useful and has a nice design.

But now it all makes sense when comparing him to Garchomp.

Fuck it though, I'm not a Garchomp fan and Garchomp can't learn Roost which I enjoy using with Life Orb on Flygon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 16:51:07 No.18556796 Report

Quoted By: >>18556894 >>18556906

>>18556766
I use Flygon over Garchomp just because Levitate, U-Turn and Superpower.

If Scarfed, is a good scout; if Banded, it can punch some holes with a little chance.
This said, I play doubles so I pair it with thing that use Bulldoze and shit, so Garchomp isn't a problem... unless it's scarfed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 16:57:45 No.18556847 Report

Quoted By: >>18557237 >>18557300

Volt White and Blaze Black fixed it.

#330 Flygon
Attack: 100 to 110
Defense: 80 to 75
Special Attack: 80 to 110
Special Defense: 80 to 75
Total: 520 to 550

Added dragon dance and quiver dance as level up moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:02:37 No.18556894 Report

Quoted By: >>18556906 >>18556927 >>18576485

>>18556796
I, too, prefer Doubles.
I like my set up of Earthquake / Dragon Claw / Roost / Fire Blast to make the most out of Flygon's damage, give him a chance for Recovery against Stalls, and avoid wasted Turns from predictable Protects / Similar effects.
In Doubles I'll often pair him with someone who will either Protect 1st Turn or is just immune to Ground in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:04:18 No.18556906 Report

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>>18556796
>>18556894
I'd like to note that Fire Blast is for Ferrothorn, Scizor, Genesect, ect.
I'm not sure if Life Orb Jolly Flygon with 0 EV SpAtk Flamethrower would be sufficient, but Fire Blast does it for certain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:06:34 No.18556927 Report

Quoted By: >>18556956

>>18556894
Mine's is more straightforward, Jolly Max Atk and Speed investment; Earthquake, Dragon Claw, Superpower and U-Turn. His inmunity to Electric- and Ground- allows me to use safely things like Discharge and Bulldoze.
And If is Banded, I can use Volt Switch with Jolteon and throwing Gyarados after and use Earthquake safely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:07:12 No.18556934 Report

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>>18553942
Nidoking 2.0? I'm alright with that.
But give it Dragon Dance, too for good measure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:09:44 No.18556956 Report

Quoted By: >>18557014

>>18556927
I like your strat! Very effective considering your item choice.
I've never been a fan of Choice Items though, I really hate being locked into 1 move.
Maybe one day I'll look past that for the benefits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:10:42 No.18556963 Report

Quoted By: >>18556985 >>18557004

I've been looking for a good Ground type to fill a weakness in my competitive team, and I found that Garchomp would be ideal—but I hate Garchomp.

Flygon was a bro in my Emerald playthrough years ago, and when I played through Platinum a few weeks ago, I transferred her (as in, that particular Flygon is female) into the game for the Elite 4; she's been a great asset throughout the postgame.

What would be a good set? U-Turn, Superpower, Earthquake, Fire Blast?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:12:38 No.18556985 Report

Quoted By: >>18557014

>>18556963
I use U-Turn, Superpower, Earthquake, and Steel Wing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:14:39 No.18557004 Report

Quoted By: >>18557325

>>18556963
Well, as the other anon and I were discussing, you pretty much want Earthquake and Dragon Claw for your 2 STAB moves.
The other 2 are up to you. I use Fire Blast / Roost, he uses U-Turn / Superpower.

I think it's a matter of what item you'll particularly plan on using on Flygon.
My set up supports Life Orb usage while the another anon's supported Choice Item usage.

But of course, these are not set in stone things. See what would work best for your team's strengths and weaknesses. Also, consider format.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:15:28 No.18557014 Report

Quoted By: >>18557063

>>18556956
The higher damage output if you hit right is worth the risk. And Banded Superpower deals a lot damage againts Normal-Type and Ferrothorn. And my team struggle against Normal- to be honest, things like Snorlax, Blissey, you know.

>>18556985
Steel Wing for Fairies? You're hitting all of them harder with Earthquake already, bar Togekiss. Use Stone Edge or STAB Dragon Claw in that place, or even Fire Blast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:16:08 No.18557019 Report

Quoted By: >>18557039 >>18576587

>>18554007
Yeah, that would be like having a Psychic/Dark Pokemon. Oh wait...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:18:20 No.18557039 Report

Quoted By: >>18569214

>>18557019
>What is Dark Magician

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:20:59 No.18557063 Report

Quoted By: >>18557094

>>18557014
I use Prankster Whimsicott so things like you described I just kinda screw over with Encore.
I seriously think Encore is just a broken ability in general with Prankster.

>____ Encore has ended!
>Whimsicott used Encore!

I didn't think that something you were able to do for the longest time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:23:20 No.18557076 Report

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Mega evolution would obviously be the best. But I think Flygon is good enough that it can be fixed with a few simple additions - things like Quiver Dance (via Bug egg group) and Sheer Force (which Trapinch already has, but it's evolutions don't) would really add to it's usability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:25:30 No.18557094 Report

Quoted By: >>18557133

>>18557063
Get it. But I'm in process to be able to handle at full potential the team I just builded, it's not the best, but I like the results overall and I'm glad that I pick them not just for competitive capabilities, but because I like all of them and some flavour too.

Flygon is called T. Yokoshima and I use a female Bold Volcarona called Mikami Reiko

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:30:31 No.18557133 Report

Quoted By: >>18557958

>>18557094
My team is too.
I just so happen to like Pokemon that got a lot of competitive love..
>Blaziken
>Gengar
>Blastoise
>Flygon
>Aggron
>Whimsicott

I wonder how many people would call me a Genwunner or some shit for my favorite mons / bro mons being these.

8/10 name choices. Volcarona made me laugh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:43:01 No.18557237 Report

Quoted By: >>18557300

>>18556847
Is the rest of the hack good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:51:19 No.18557300 Report

Quoted By: >>18557330 >>18576543

>>18553962
u wot? Rotom Fan has a legitimately useless ability. Flygon's ability gives it immunity to Ground moves, Spikes, and Toxic Spikes.
>>18556847
Complete mode only, though people should be playing complete mode unless they're purists. I've used special oriented Flygon in VW2.
>>18557237
Yes. The download comes with a changelog and both patches, so you can decide whether or not you want to play Complete mode (which features changes to movepools, base stats, and abilities) or Classic (which is vanilla Pokemon with all 649 and changes to trainer rosters).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:54:45 No.18557325 Report

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>>18557004
I really wonder what moves would be expendable here. Earthquake is Earthquake and therefore always good; Superpower is necessary to punch through Chansey/Blissey/Kangaskhan; Dragon Claw would be Flygon's only way of dealing solid damage to things like Rotom-W or Talonflame; and U-Turn is good for maintaining momentum.

On the other hand, this set would be walled completely by Skarmory, which my offensive Scolipede is already helpless against; running Fire Blast would thus be useful too...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:55:16 No.18557330 Report

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>>18557300
How does one go about getting Contrary Snivy? Is it possible from the starter?

2036-7795-8110 ashlynn

2036-7795-8110 ashlynn Wed 19 Mar 2014 18:04:15 No.18557410 Report

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I like my Flygon's it's neat.

Flygon@Choice Scarf
252atk/252spe/6hp
Superpower
Outrage
Earthquake
U-Turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 19:04:10 No.18557958 Report

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>>18557133
The team I'm running is
>Tyranitar (Support)
>Volcarona (Bulky Set Up)
>Flygon (Choiced)
>Jolteon (Scout with Zap Plate)
>Mawile (Pivot/Tank)
>Gyarados (Bulky Set Up)

Since the VGC is bring six pick four, my megas are either Mawile and Gyarados.

Maybe the Sandstorm looks a little odd in this formation, but to be honest, it helped more than anything; the only time when it backfired was when I faced a MGarchomp... damn that fucker is scary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 19:17:05 No.18558100 Report

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>>18553862
i use flygon as a good first turn, you get a free u-turn with choice scarf and then you swap into a better match up

it all depends on what you are using him for, garchomp is a better sweeper because of flat stats but flygon is a better revenge killer

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 21:55:16 No.18560197 Report

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Bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 22:00:32 No.18560265 Report

Quoted By: >>18563369

>>18553862
One of them is good in OU, one of them is good in UU. Flygon doesn't need to be fixed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Mar 2014 22:30:05 No.18560623 Report

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>>18553884
>him

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Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 01:50:25 No.18563369 Report

Quoted By: >>18566959 >>18569197

>>18560265
>Doesn't need to be fixed
>Flygon

My favorite mon in the franchise is a fucking mess right now. It's special movepool full of options that would get better if it kept it's basic stage's HA, it can breed with every Quiver Dancer that isn't Lilligant, yet doesn't get the move passed, and that ugly ass shark will always eclipse it in usage until GF decides to give the poor antlion some toys that would give it a drastically different niche that isn't Levitate's benefits + U Turning.

It may be good in UU, but at least give it an offensive presence that isn't done better by Chomp for christ sakes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 09:49:11 No.18566959 Report

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>>18563369
This, this, this. Gamefreak skipped every chance they had at improving it the last few generations - no new egg moves, no hidden ability, no stat readjustment in Gen VI, nada. It's honestly kinda sad just how far behind Flygon's fallen compared to the other dragons.

If they go the Mega route, I'm hoping for something like Arena Trap. A trapping ability alongside a sharp boost to Attack and Speed would make it a killer threat now that M-Gengar's gone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 10:32:43 No.18567184 Report

Quoted By: >>18569197

>Trapinch gets 2 regular abilities plus 1 hidden ability
>Yet for some bizarre reason Vibrava and Flygon are stuck with only Levitate

Why.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 10:49:39 No.18567232 Report

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>>18553862
his mega evolution should be steel dragon levitate.
http://jetlogs.org/sandbox/pokemon_type_calc.html
it would only take double damage from fighting moves.DAMN look at those resistances.immune to poison and ground.seriously this mega needs to happen.

if you said Bug/Dragon was a good idea you are retarded.
at the moment it only takes double damage from 3 moves and it resists 3 other move types

if you made it a bug dragon he would take double damage from 4 moves and he would only resist 1 one move type.congratulations you made him significantly more weaker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 10:51:58 No.18567239 Report

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>>18553862
so you can use it in pokebattle

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 16:50:20 No.18569197 Report

Quoted By: >>18569238 >>18573061

>>18563369
What can you do with Flygon that won't be done similarly by Garchomp? I honestly have no idea. Garchomp is such a versatile pokemon with so many possible builds and sets. Given Flygon shares its exact same typing, it's really hard to differentiate them too much. At the end of the day, Flygon just has lower stats.

>>18567184
I'm so sorry it's 'stuck' with one of the best abilities in the game.

The only thing I can possibly think that could be done with it is to give it speed boost.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 16:52:39 No.18569214 Report

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>>18557039
>what is fairy dragon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 16:56:21 No.18569238 Report

Quoted By:

>>18569197
>What can you do with Flygon that won't be done similarly by Garchomp?
Give it a niche as a Sheer Force Quiver Dancer. Flygon could fill the role of a boosting Nidoking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 23:18:06 No.18573061 Report

Quoted By: >>18573342

>>18569197

>I'm so sorry it's 'stuck' with one of the best abilities in the game.

The usefulness of Levitate is relative to the Pokemon it is on. Rotom, Gengar, that electric eel thing? Excellent, top notch, couldn't be better.

Flygon, Hydreigon, Giratina? I'll take "fucking useless and could have something better" for 100, Anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 23:25:36 No.18573113 Report

Quoted By:

Have all egg moves been discovered yet? Like how Excavalier was revealed to get Drill Run?

Imagine if Game Freak decided to give it Dragon Dance, wouldn't that be cool?

Or even

>Flygon can now learn Dragon Dance with the special move tutors found in Pokemon Z!
>Garchomp, too, can now learn Dragon Dance as well, and also now learns Extremespeed!

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Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 23:34:05 No.18573180 Report

Quoted By: >>18573204

Mega Flygon
Type: Bug / Dragon
Ability: Arena Trap

Stats:
HP: 80
Attack: 80 (-20)
Defense: 90 (+10)
Special Attack: 140 (+60)
Special Defense: 90 (+10)
Speed: 140 (+40)

New moves:
-Bug Buzz
-Quiver Dance
-Dragon Pulse

Potential moveset:
-Dragon Pulse / Draco Meteor
-Bug Buzz
-Flamethrower / Fire Blast
-Quiver Dance

Is it gud now /vp/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 23:36:39 No.18573204 Report

Quoted By:

>>18573180
>Bug
What's the point in giving it a weakness to (Stealth) Rock, Fire (which it resists at the moment), and Brave Bird? STAB Earthquake is also much better than any STAB Bug moves, which are resisted by half of anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 23:38:21 No.18573219 Report

Quoted By: >>18573395

>>18553862
Give it Dragon Dance and have it hold a Focus Sash, bam, friggin Ubers, or somethin'.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 23:44:37 No.18573284 Report

Quoted By: >>18576454

>>18553862
>Don't like Garchomps design
>Don't want to use it in playthrough because i consider it "too strong" and cheap to use

>Like Flygon's design
>Flygon isn't overpowered, don't feel cheap using him
>Train Flygon

This is why

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 23:49:21 No.18573342 Report

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>>18573061
>Immunity to an entire type - one of the most common and powerful offensive types in the game
>Immunity to entry hazards other than Stealth Rock
>Useless

>Levitate on Hydreigon and Giratina
>Useless

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Mar 2014 23:53:12 No.18573395 Report

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>>18573219
Nah. Give it Quiver Dance alongside Dragon Dance and make a patch that lets it and Vibrava keep Sheer Force after evolving. Now it's OU suspect material.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 03:40:08 No.18576454 Report

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>>18573284
>not liking the design of a hybrid jet/shark/dragon

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Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 03:42:18 No.18576485 Report

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>>18553884
>him
>>18553917
>him
>him
>>18556894
>him
>him

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Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 03:44:48 No.18576510 Report

Quoted By: >>18576543

>>18553962
>Levitate
>Useless for all pokes who have it save for Rotom-Fan

b8

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 03:47:05 No.18576543 Report

Quoted By:

>>18557300
>Flygon's ability gives it immunity to Ground moves, Spikes, and Toxic Spikes.
A Ground type becoming immune to Ground. Gee fucking whiz.

>>18576510
oh come on, you know that's not what he was saying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 03:50:53 No.18576587 Report

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>>18557019
Well we already have a Water/Fire Pokemon and several others that fit this description.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 03:51:10 No.18576590 Report

Quoted By: >>18576677

>>18553962
how is having an immunity useless? Gives you more switch opportunities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 04:02:35 No.18576677 Report

Quoted By: >>18576733 >>18576734

>>18576590
I really don't get what you guys aren't getting. Obviously an immunity isn't useless, but spending an Ability (a Hidden Ability at that, which is supposed to be useful) to gain an immunity to something you already resist is a waste.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 04:06:35 No.18576712 Report

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>>18553862
Give it Sand Stream. That alone gives it something above the other ground dragons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 04:08:18 No.18576733 Report

Quoted By: >>18579802

>>18576677
>ground resists ground
It's like you've never used Magnitude on an Onix before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 04:08:18 No.18576734 Report

Quoted By: >>18579802

>>18576677
errrr since when does flygon resist ground? Did his typing change or are you just getting your facts mixed up?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 14:13:10 No.18579802 Report

Quoted By:

>>18576733
>>18576734
>Ground doesn't resist Ground
Oh god dammit I should have checked the chart.
What the fuck. SIX types don't resist themselves. Normal, Fighting, Rock I can understand. But Flying, Ground, and Bug?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 15:56:22 No.18580515 Report

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Give it Dragon Dance by level up or Tinted Lens as HA. Suddenly top UU and OU niche material again. It's the less forced addition fot it. Both options fit it. Tinted Lens for Flygon only, Trapinch keeps it's standard abilities, Vibrava gets Sand Veil or Infiltrator as HA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 16:06:30 No.18580579 Report

Quoted By: >>18580651

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Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 16:17:17 No.18580651 Report

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>>18580579
>Tinted Lens as HA

I wonder if it is feasible on GF turn to actually retcon a flow of abilities without even a slightest risk of compatibility conflicts.

I ask, because Gallade too suffers from 'shit abilities' syndrome as only his HA has SOME degree of limited use in double/triple-battle whereas his only other ability is perhaps the most useless non-hindering ability there is. Rest of his line has all three ability slots filled, while Gallade is one ability short.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Mar 2014 21:39:25 No.18583801 Report

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Alright niggas, after seeing this thread yesterday i bred a 5 IVs Jolly Trapinch in Y, it was a female.

Flygon@Choice Band/Life Orb
Levitate
Jolly 252 Atk/6 HP/252 Spe
-Dragon Claw
-Superpower/Crunch/Stone Edge
-Earthquake
-Fire Blast/U-Turn/Hone Claws

Does she really need Superpower? EV training it is easy but grinding to level 67 as a Trapinch is gonna be painful, cant i just use Crunch or Stone Edge?

Also what do i put in the last slot? Hone Claws could be nice if i get Stone Edge, U-Turn for scouting and Fire Blast because everybody uses that.

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