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Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 03:03:33 No.18811837 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>18811948 >>18812080 >>18812198 >>18812338 >>18812702 >>18813966

Probability of Sceptile being in Smash?
Hear me out:
We have a Heavy Gen 1 Fire Starter (Charizard), a Light Gen 6 Water Starter (Greninja), so isn't it likely that Sceptile would be our Medium Grass Starter? Gen 3 fits the pattern.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 03:10:01 No.18811937 Report

Quoted By: >>18812094 >>18813307

There is no "pattern"

Charizard is in because it's one of the most popular Pokemon ever and a veteran from Brawl

Greninja is in because they wanted something to represent newer games and they predicted it would be popular from its design.

If there are any more Pokemon it'll be Jigglypuff and Mewtwo for obvious reasons. Sceptile or some other random grass starter has extremely small chances.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 03:10:46 No.18811948 Report

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>>18811837
2 doesn't make a pattern you know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 03:19:58 No.18812080 Report

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>>18811837
Look, Sceptile would be cool. But unless GF is actually about to unveil Hoenn remakes (keep dreaming faggots), it's not going to happen. Pokes in smash are all about popularity and marketing. Neither apply to Sceptile.

>b-but muh patterns

No. There's no real starter pattern going. Pikachu, Lucario, Charizard, and Greninja. Look at that. It's popular shit, not starters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 03:20:46 No.18812094 Report

Quoted By: >>18812136

>>18811937
Do you think they'd actually go without a grass Pokémon, especially when it looks like they're trying to bloat the list by not having transforms anymore?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 03:23:34 No.18812136 Report

Quoted By: >>18812174 >>18812233

>>18812094
>Do you think they'd actually go without a grass Pokémon

yes, especially when mewtwo is a better choice. And they got rid of transforms because it's simply better for balance and gameplay, not because they're trying to bloat the character selection

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 03:26:06 No.18812174 Report

Quoted By: >>18812181

>>18812136
Eh, Mewtwo plays too much like Lucario.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 03:26:40 No.18812181 Report

Quoted By: >>18812217 >>18812278 >>18812316

>>18812174
not really, and as if that stopped them from bringing toon link back

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 03:27:39 No.18812198 Report

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>>18811837
He's a good possibility. Legit straight up likely if ivysaur is getting replaced.

By what we understood, saur and squirt are kill. Greninja and Sceptile will be new hotness

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 03:28:45 No.18812217 Report

Quoted By: >>18812465

>>18812181
Aren't they making a few differences to Toon Link this time round?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 03:29:11 No.18812233 Report

Quoted By: >>18812465

>>18812136
How would they make Mewtwo much different than Lucario?
Do we know if they actually care about balance yet or not? I know they included For Glory and the different Final Destination stages, but that still doesn't mean they'll try to balance everything if they don't think the casual buyers will enjoy it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 03:31:59 No.18812278 Report

Quoted By: >>18812577

>>18812181
Mewtwo probably has two moves that are slightly different from Lucario's and they have the same kind of movements and B move.
They are very similar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 03:34:47 No.18812316 Report

Quoted By: >>18812465

>>18812181
They're remaking most of the returning characters, I highly doubt Toon Link will be a lighter clone this time around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 03:36:40 No.18812338 Report

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>>18811837
>M-muh patterns

It would be cool if it happened, but I don't think it's likely at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 03:46:38 No.18812465 Report

Quoted By: >>18812577 >>18812599

>>18812233
Even if they ported Mewtwo directly from Melee and Lucaro directly from Brawl, they'd already be a lot different. They don't even share the same moveset. The only move they have in common is their neutral B. Lucario also has the aura mechanic while Mewtwo doesn't.

>>18812217
I don't think they've said anything.

>>18812316
And he's still going to be somewhat similar to Link unless they completely redo the character. Mewtwo and Lucario were different to begin with. Arguing that Mewtwo won't return because of Lucario is pretty moot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 03:56:15 No.18812577 Report

Quoted By: >>18812628

>>18812278
Confirmed for unobservant and/or having never played with or against Mewtwo in Melee for any length of time. Their movements and attacks are extremely different. Like this anon said: >>18812465
Their neutral B is their biggest similarity, and even then, Shadow Ball is as identical to Aura Sphere as Falco's lazer is to Wolf's lazer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 03:58:02 No.18812599 Report

Quoted By: >>18812763

>>18812465
Do you think Ganondorf is a clone of Captain Falcon by any chance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 04:00:08 No.18812628 Report

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>>18812577
Not the same anon but I mained Mewtwo is Melee then mained Lucario in Brawl because they have extremely similar movesets and movements.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 04:08:31 No.18812702 Report

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>>18811837
>Sceptile
>Medium
Sceptile is a speed character. If there was going to be a "Medium" grass character it'd probably be Serperior or Meganium

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 04:13:58 No.18812763 Report

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>>18812599
depends how you define what a clone is. Their movesets are similar but there are a good number of differences.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 04:23:47 No.18812857 Report

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OP, Ash only ever fully evolved a Charmander, Treeko, Turtwig, and what's looking to be Froakie. So that sorta helps your point, too.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 04:25:10 No.18812874 Report

Quoted By: >>18812896

all of you are stupid. the pokemon we have now already complete eachother. in the pokemon games its fire water grass. in smash we have Charizard (fire/flying), Greninja(water/dark), and Lucario(steel/fighting) fire>steel fighting>dark water>fire they might be going for a super effective thing with the pokemon where they can do more damage to each other or even add pokemon typings into smash
pic related

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 04:27:12 No.18812896 Report

Quoted By: >>18812984

>>18812874
>might be going for a super effective thing with the pokemon where they can do more damage to each other or even add pokemon typings into smash
It's like you've never played Smash before
Also Pikachu and Jiggs ruin your pattern and you didn't even put in flying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 04:30:13 No.18812935 Report

Quoted By: >>18813017 >>18813039 >>18813058 >>18813110

You have 10 seconds to make a moveset for Sceptile. Remember, only a maximum of four actual attacks from the game, and you need the five B attacks listed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 04:34:06 No.18812984 Report

Quoted By: >>18813004

>>18812896
puff(fairy) which is > fighting, dragon (mega char), dark
and pikachu(electric) > water and flying

and im talking about typings to the moves themselves (like marios fire) to add up more damage then normal or less if not very effective

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 04:35:33 No.18813004 Report

Quoted By: >>18813019

>>18812984
>and im talking about typings to the moves themselves (like marios fire)
That would make some characters horribly broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 04:36:20 No.18813017 Report

Quoted By: >>18813029

>>18812935
Bullet Seed - B
Leaf Blade - Side B
Air Slash - Up B
Some counter move that doesn't have to actually be a Pokémon move - Down B
Smash can be Solar Beam akin to Lucario's Brawl Smash.
Shitty and autistic but teh dah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 04:36:25 No.18813019 Report

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>>18813004
go on

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Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 04:37:35 No.18813029 Report

Quoted By: >>18813070

>>18813017
>Sceptile
>Air Slash
Try Arial Ace, or better yet, Acrobatics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 04:38:38 No.18813039 Report

Quoted By: >>18813049

>>18812935
>five B attacks
Your so new.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 04:39:27 No.18813049 Report

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>>18813039
Final Smash is a B attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 04:40:18 No.18813058 Report

Quoted By: >>18813075

>>18812935
>b detect/counter
>left/right Leaf Blade
>down False Swipe with a charge
>up Aerial Ace
Also it can stick to walls for a short amount of time but if you jump off you can't stick back on without touching the floor again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 04:41:23 No.18813070 Report

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>>18813029
Either of those are good, nice call.
It'd move up to a point or until it hit someone, and then you'd go through and above them and put them in hitstun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 04:41:38 No.18813075 Report

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>>18813058
Not the move counter by the way but like Marth's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 04:48:04 No.18813110 Report

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>>18812935
B: Leaf Blade: Basically Ike's Quick Draw, though stationary unless boosted by Hone Claws, then it'll pass through the opponent with a dash, stunning them.
<B>: Brick Break: Strong overhead tail slam. Pushes Sceptile forward and causes Meteor Smash. Hone Claws grants shield-breaking properties.
^B^: Acrobatics: Short dash attack. Repeatable if it hits an opponent like Falcon Dive. More powerful/longer dash if not holding an item or under the effects of Hone Claws.
vBv: Hone Claws: Grants more power to regular attacks like WFT's Deep Breathing, and a bonus effect to the next B attack used. Wears off if another B attack is used or 10 seconds pass.
Final Smash: Mega Evolution to advertise the new form in the R/S/Emakes. Always under the effects of Hone Claw for as long as it lasts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 05:00:14 No.18813219 Report

Quoted By: >>18813236 >>18813249 >>18813437

so like why couldn't they bring back mewtwo
and give it an update skillset, so it's not just lucario 1.0

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 05:03:40 No.18813236 Report

Quoted By: >>18813284

>>18813219
Try making a moveset for Mewtwo that makes sense and isn't a copy of Lucario's or his Melee's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 05:05:38 No.18813249 Report

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>>18813219
>b shadow ball
>forward Psystrike
>up teleport
>down mirror coat
Why not? And make him float in midair like Peach too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 05:11:10 No.18813284 Report

Quoted By: >>18813336

>>18813236
>Neutral B
Psystrike. Charge attack. Instead of being a single charged bullet, it's similar to Sheik's Neutral B in Melee/Brawl. He makes a lot of tiny balls of psychic power and shoots them forward. Lorger it's held, more shots it makes.

>Forward B
Psycho Cut. Similar to Fox's forward attack, but does more damage and can be aimed in any of the 8 directions.

>Up B
Teleport. Works as it did in Melee.

>Down B
Psychic. Mewtwo brings his arm upwards and them slams it down to the ground, making a small AoE burst of psychic energy. Takes a long time to activate, but does a lot of damage on hit.

>Final Smash
Mega Mewtwo Y. Fits the moveset better. Increased speed, jumping, and damage output. Psystrike always hits the maximum amount of times, and Psychic takes half of the time originally needed to activate. Wears off after ~6 seconds.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 05:12:58 No.18813307 Report

Quoted By: >>18813349

>>18811937
>mewtwo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 05:16:13 No.18813336 Report

Quoted By: >>18813348

>>18813284
>that psychic
Why not just make it a projectile reverser?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 05:17:48 No.18813348 Report

Quoted By: >>18813365

>>18813336
I didn't want to be too similar to Melee. Wanted to go for a more hard-hitting moveset.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 05:17:49 No.18813349 Report

Quoted By: >>18813388

>>18813307
>not mewtwo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 05:20:48 No.18813365 Report

Quoted By: >>18813386

>>18813348
Did Mewtwo have a projectile reverser in Melee?
I haven't played it in a while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 05:23:31 No.18813386 Report

Quoted By:

>>18813365
I think so. He had that Down B thing that made his opponent's go all woobly in the air and flipped them over. I think it did something to projectiles. I never used it. I thought an AoE move would be a bit more useful.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 05:23:42 No.18813388 Report

Quoted By: >>18813417

>>18813349
>expecting replaced characters

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Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 05:27:55 No.18813417 Report

Quoted By: >>18813444

>>18813388
>replaced
>implying

they just didn't have time to put him in brawl. he'll be back :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 05:30:11 No.18813435 Report

Quoted By: >>18813453

>People still don't fucking realize that Sceptile is the same shit as Greninja

Why do these faggots keep wishing WHY? ANY NEW MON CHARACTERS WOULD HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED IN THE LAST DIRECT STOP THIS FUCKING SHIT YOU FAGGOTS.

PATTERNS FUCKING SUCK STOP IT!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 05:30:23 No.18813437 Report

Quoted By: >>18813452

>>18813219
Who says it's not back? They did say they were "considering it" back at E3. They're not going to reveal unlockables that aren't 3rd party or Luigi prior to release, nitwit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 05:30:40 No.18813444 Report

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>>18813417
>they just didn't have time to put him in brawl.
They replaced him anon, just like they replaced Roy.
>tfw "Roy's our boy!" will never come back

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 05:31:14 No.18813452 Report

Quoted By: >>18813467

>>18813437
don't call me a nitwit, nimrod
getting all proud about speculation like that, for shame

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 05:31:19 No.18813453 Report

Quoted By: >>18813465

>>18813435
unless its a massive hype train for hoenn remake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 05:32:29 No.18813465 Report

Quoted By:

>>18813453
>there are people who actually believe this

I think I gave the intelligence of the people that visit this site more credit than is deserved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 05:32:52 No.18813467 Report

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>>18813452
>Nimrod
>Nimrod was what Bugs called Elmer Fudd
>Nimrod was a hunter
>Hunter
>Bugs
>Bug Hunter
BUGCATCHER CONFIRMED

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Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 06:34:01 No.18813966 Report

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>>18811837

This was in some thread on /v/:

>E3 Trailer
>the battle has moved to a forest
>Mario, Charizard and Greninja continue to duke it out
>Fire everywhere, shit be gettin scorched
>suddenly, a deep bassy roar echoes from all around them
>The battle stops briefly as they look around
>a quick flash of movement
>The fighters have grown nervous
>once again, something green flickers in the treeline
>Mario looks up
>something is silhouetted against the sun in a shower of leaves
>a blur of movement
>Freezeframe of Greninja narrowly avoiding a massive green blade swept downward which scatters earth and rocks, delivered with a smug grin by...
SCEPTILE
Leaves them in the dust!

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Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 06:46:33 No.18814054 Report

Quoted By: >>18814065 >>18818980

>thinking they would add another Sanac fast Pokemon starter
>implying it wouldnt be Torterra

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 06:48:52 No.18814065 Report

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>>18814054
>implying people that aren't hipsters like Torterra
>implying Torterra could fit into Smash
At the most it would take Venusaur's old place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 06:53:46 No.18814109 Report

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I would play the shit out of meganium

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Apr 2014 20:35:40 No.18818980 Report

Quoted By:

>>18814054
>Torterra

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Apr 2014 00:25:08 No.18821343 Report

Quoted By: >>18821383

>There is no pattern
Brawl had Pokemon trainer, which used 3 starters Fire, Water, Grass. Characters that have multiple characters/forms like Zelda/Sheik are being split into 2 characters. Pokemon Trainer has Charizard, Squirtle and Ivysaur. They are all being split into their own fighters, Greninja replace Squirtle, Ivysaur replaced with Sceptile.
>Not popular enough
Pure Bullshit.
>No sense
Having a Poke from gen 1 and and the newest gen make sense, gets a large amount of age demographics but having the gen in the middle (gen 3) rounds it out even better.
>There isn't going to be Hoenn Remakes
k.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Apr 2014 00:29:53 No.18821383 Report

Quoted By: >>18821533

>>18821343
>Brawl had Pokemon trainer
>that
>a pattern

Nothing says that they're going to replace Ivysaur by a completely unrelated Pokemon just because they're both grass type. If they wanted to make up for Ivysaur they'd just *gasp* put in Ivysaur! Wow! Just like they put in ZSS to replace ZSS and Sheik to replace Sheik and Charizard to replace Charizard!

>Pure Bullshit.
When there are far more other popular choices? It isn't bullshit. Why should Sceptile get in over Mewtwo or even Blaziken? Last I checked, Sceptile isn't the one who got a mega evolution and got recently featured in the anime.

>but having the gen in the middle
Lucario is middle enough. And nothing says they have requirements to "fill" a middle gen. They just put in what works and what's going to be popular in the long run.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Apr 2014 00:43:07 No.18821533 Report

Quoted By: >>18821593

>>18821383
>"Brawl had Pokemon trainer"
>"that"
>"a pattern"
Too dumb to read all I wrote I see.
>completely unrelated Pokemon
k.
>When there are far more other popular choices?
Did I say Sceptile was the most poplar Pokemon in existence? no. Did you read my previous point? no.
>Lucario is middle enough
There is no "requirement" for anything. Lucario was popular before Brawl and undeniably got a boost in popularity after Brawl. May have not even gotten Mega.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Apr 2014 00:50:05 No.18821593 Report

Quoted By: >>18821737

>>18821533
>Too dumb to read all I wrote I see.
I did. I guess you're too dumb to see that it doesn't change my point. ;)

>Did I say Sceptile was the most poplar Pokemon in existence? no. Did you read my previous point? no.
Did I say that you said Sceptile is the most popular Pokemon existence? No. Did I say that there are far better choices so that Sceptile has no real reason to get in and thus isn't popular enough? Yes.

>There is no "requirement" for anything
Exactly! I'm glad we agree on this, so there is no requirement on there being a completely different grass starter just to replace Ivysaur. :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Apr 2014 01:02:56 No.18821737 Report

Quoted By: >>18821807

>>18821593
>I did. I guess you're too dumb to see that it doesn't change my point. ;)
Thinking I care about how you feel
>Did I say that you said Sceptile is the most popular Pokemon existence? No. Did I say that there are far better choices so that Sceptile has no real reason to get in and thus isn't popular enough? Yes.
Did I say Sceptile not being popular enough was bullshit? Yes. When did you say this? first post.
>There is no "requirement" for anything
There is no requirement that he can't be in the game as much as there is a requirement for him to be in the game. I'm giving reasons why he could potentially be in the game. You're just saying " No he isn't popular enough" "Smash is all about popularity and not about showcasing the various gaming franchises properly!" "Ivysaur is so more popular than Sceptile and Ivysaur will therefore be a standalone fighter." "There are no patterns!"
k.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Apr 2014 01:08:32 No.18821807 Report

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>>18821737
>Did I say Sceptile not being popular enough was bullshit? Yes. When did you say this? first post.
Did I say Sceptile not being popular enough isn't bullshit? Yes. When did I say this? My reply to your first post.

>You're just saying " No he isn't popular enough"
which is true

>"Smash is all about popularity and not about showcasing the various gaming franchises properly!"
It's about both, and putting Sceptile in the game doesn't accomplish either that well.

> "Ivysaur is so more popular than Sceptile and Ivysaur will therefore be a standalone fighter."
I didn't say that Ivysaur is more popular. What I did say is that Ivysaur is a veteran and so if they put it in it doesn't disappoint the players who liked Ivysaur and it's easier to implement in the game since they already have most of its moveset. If they want to replace Ivysaur they'll simply put Ivysaur back in the game. Putting an unrelated grass starter makes no sense. That's like arguing Ridley will be put in over ZSS because Sakurai cut transformations and Ridley is more popular. Which obviously isn't the case.

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