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Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:30:25 No.18840377 View View Reply Original Report

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How do you beat this team?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:33:40 No.18840421 Report

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Someone needs to make a Smogon Ban Thread Bingo.

>Smogon just wants to protect HO
>[strategy x] is countered by [niche and outclassed Pokemon X, Y and Z]
>it doesn't matter whether it has counters!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:33:44 No.18840423 Report

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By taking their HP to 0.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:35:22 No.18840436 Report

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Get a crit
Haze
Infiltrator and do big damage before they set up
Snatch
Imprison+baton pass
Kill the sylveon and have a dark type

A hard counter to this commonly seen team is shedinja

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:35:54 No.18840443 Report

Quoted By: >>18840537

Roar
Taunt
Dark mons
Ghost mons
Prankster
Priority
mega absol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:36:05 No.18840445 Report

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>>18840377
Set up Shedinja

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:36:17 No.18840447 Report

Quoted By: >>18840487

Bring out your wallbreaker and hit them as hard as you can as soon as you can.

That, or Quagsire with Haze.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:37:31 No.18840462 Report

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>people actually think Smogon will limit the number of BP users on a team

Just like the banned Swagger+Prankster instead of Swagger alone, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:38:36 No.18840474 Report

Quoted By: >>18841915

>Mr.mime
>40 hp 65 def
>S-so hard to take out

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:38:45 No.18840476 Report

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>>18840377
>Smogonfaggotry

1v1 a shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:39:15 No.18840485 Report

Quoted By: >>18840562

I understand most of the other pokemons' roles on that team, but is there really nothing better that could replace vaporeon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:39:21 No.18840487 Report

Quoted By: >>18840575

>>18840447
or Vaporeon with Haze, like in that replay from that other thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:44:42 No.18840537 Report

Quoted By: >>18840551 >>18840581 >>18840585

>>18840443
None of these will work

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:46:21 No.18840551 Report

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>>18840537
Why not?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:47:10 No.18840562 Report

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>>18840485
It has a boosting move, roar, baton pass, a huge amount of bulk, and doesn't share a typing with the other bp users on your team.

Its irreplacable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:48:32 No.18840574 Report

Quoted By: >>18840680

try this

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-103582168

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:48:33 No.18840575 Report

Quoted By: >>18841428

>>18840487
found it http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-103571729

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:49:24 No.18840581 Report

Quoted By: >>18840696

>>18840537
Roar Doesn't affect Mime and Espeon

Taunt doesn't affect Mental Herb Scolipede and Espeon

Dark and Ghost mons die to Sylveon

Prankster is foiled by Protect and Espeon

Priority does little damage to Iron Defense and CM

Who uses Mega Absol?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:50:01 No.18840585 Report

Quoted By: >>18840744

>>18840537
>Opponent starts setting up
>Player sends out Rhyperior
>Opponent switch into Mr.Mime to take the Dragon tail
>Rhyperior used earthquake
>Mr.Mime fainted (or even if is sash it's just useless now)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:50:07 No.18840586 Report

Quoted By: >>18840608

>Mamoswine used Ice Shard!
>Azumarril used Aqua Jet!
>Talonflame used Brave Bird!
>Aegislash used Shadow Sneak!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:52:27 No.18840608 Report

Quoted By: >>18840633

>>18840586
>Using priority moves against defense boosted pokes

kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:53:45 No.18840629 Report

Quoted By: >>18841682

swords dance bullet seed breloom has saved my ass against BP many a time, just watch out for dark void.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:53:54 No.18840632 Report

Quoted By: >>18840645

>Toxic Spikes
>Spikes
>Sneaky stones
>Whirlwind/roar
Muh hazards

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:53:59 No.18840633 Report

Quoted By: >>18841971

>>18840608
>letting them build up defense
>not just sending out your priority attacks first when you see a Baton Pass team

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:55:00 No.18840645 Report

Quoted By: >>18840666 >>18840672 >>18842091

>>18840632
All reflected by Espeon

Try again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:57:03 No.18840666 Report

Quoted By: >>18840681

>>18840645
Just taunt/whirlwind then. Knocks out the boosts/baton pass

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:57:25 No.18840670 Report

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>>18840377
Red Card Deoxys-D with Bisharp

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:57:30 No.18840672 Report

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>>18840645
>Skarmory used BB against Espeon

:^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:58:10 No.18840680 Report

Quoted By: >>18840737

>>18840574

Holy shit is this what it's come to? Baton Pass wars? Look at their ratings. This would be the new meta, like Weather Wars of Gen V, if Smogon weren't so pum. It's the way to get wins.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:58:11 No.18840681 Report

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>>18840666
>Just taunt/whirlwind then

Also Reflected by Espeon

cmon...

http://www.serebii.net/abilitydex/magicbounce.shtml

Pascal(2449-4671-6486[Poliwrath, Gyarados, Octillery])

Pascal(2449-4671-6486[Poliwrath, Gyarados, Octillery]) Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:58:52 No.18840688 Report

Quoted By: >>18840703

Red Card. I use a red card forretress, and it fucks up every button pass team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:59:15 No.18840696 Report

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>>18840581

Man you had such a good argument until that last sentence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 19:59:51 No.18840703 Report

Quoted By: >>18840782

>>18840688
>Red Card

Nice.

They can just easily do the cycle again though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:01:07 No.18840716 Report

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What if the Mr. Mime had Technician boosted Magical Leaf? Its faster too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:01:43 No.18840723 Report

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>>18840377
Electric types, dark/fighting types, fire types

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:02:44 No.18840737 Report

Quoted By: >>18840762 >>18840780 >>18840908

>>18840680
There has been a lot of complaining from the high ladder kiddies about how common and dangerous full BP has become. It's much less of a problem lower on the ladder (i'm 1600 and I rarely see full BP), but apparently it's enough of a problem up there for smogon to take action.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:03:35 No.18840744 Report

Quoted By: >>18840767 >>18840773

>>18840585
What if the Mr. Mime had Technician boosted Magical Leaf? Its faster too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:05:17 No.18840762 Report

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>>18840737

But it would be like saying weather was a problem last gen. You just have to accomodate for it or lose the match, as it was the dominant playstyle.

Nothing wrong with a Prankster Taunter and a little prediction. Taunt has many a use outside of BP, it works on Rotom, Skarm, Blissey, Chansey. I wouldn't consider Taunt to be a wasted moveslot that's only used to counter BP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:05:32 No.18840767 Report

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>>18840744
it runs barrier + cm + sub + pass, if it was behind a sub (which it often will be), it can just barrier until you can't break the subs anymore. mime usually comes with defense boosts passed to it as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:06:06 No.18840773 Report

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>>18840744
It has to have soundproof, to avoid moves like Roar

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:06:24 No.18840777 Report

Quoted By: >>18840814

If they hadn't have banned M Kangaskhan it would ruin a baton pass team.

The reason teams like this keep popping is because they keep banning pokemon/sets that can counter it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:06:27 No.18840780 Report

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>>18840737

I think people underestimate BP because nobody in the lower ladders use it properly. I'm ranked below-average on the ladder and I see Ninjask more often than Scolipede.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:06:35 No.18840782 Report

Quoted By: >>18840794 >>18840796 >>18840807

>>18840703
99% of the time you stop a baton passers chain they just instantly forfeit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:07:45 No.18840794 Report

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>>18840782
Red Card doesn't kill any of the BP passers though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:07:56 No.18840796 Report

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>>18840782
And even if they retry it, it's hard to find a point to start all over again

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:08:54 No.18840807 Report

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>>18840782
Because it's a 1 trick pony. There are no checks/balances.

Just faggots thinking they're pokemon uber troll masters

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:09:30 No.18840814 Report

Quoted By: >>18840845 >>18840847 >>18841707

>>18840777
because countering broken shit with broken shit is the formula for a healthy OU meta :^)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:11:04 No.18840835 Report

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it's a good thing we can still rely on paraflinch as a legitimate skill-based strategy :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:11:42 No.18840839 Report

Quoted By: >>18840934

>top players in OU STILL refuse to use haze
I've wrecked 3 BP teams out of the 3 I faced today with Haze Zygarde. Also knows Glare.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:11:52 No.18840842 Report

Quoted By: >>18840860 >>18840957 >>18841791

Large Hardon Collider

Large Hardon Collider Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:12:08 No.18840845 Report

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>>18840814
>implying Milf is op
:^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:12:11 No.18840847 Report

Quoted By: >>18840888 >>18840891

>>18840814
Reflex-banning anything that seems even slightly OP without giving the metagame time to try and adapt isn't an improvement.

This is why Smogon will always be shit compard to VGC

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:12:23 No.18840850 Report

Quoted By: >>18840865 >>18840876

I haven't faced this cut and paste team before. Does the Espeon carry Dazzling Gleam?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:13:05 No.18840860 Report

Quoted By: >>18840915 >>18840924

>>18840842
Dies to 400 BP stored power

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:13:28 No.18840865 Report

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>>18840850
No, just Stored Power

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:13:31 No.18840866 Report

Quoted By: >>18840899

sturdy metal burst

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:14:08 No.18840876 Report

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>>18840850
>Does the Espeon carry Dazzling Gleam?
No, but Sylveon does.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:15:14 No.18840888 Report

Quoted By: >>18840932

>>18840847
>Talking about reflex-bans
>Praising VGC

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:15:22 No.18840891 Report

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>>18840847
>implying VGC is any better
>dark void smeargle and "can my pokemon survive megamilf": the meta
VGC can be fun but as far as a "healthy meta" goes, it's complete garbage

I mean just look at all this "variety":

http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/teams-2014-asia-cup/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:15:43 No.18840899 Report

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>>18840866
>sturdy metal burst

Only breaks the sub

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:16:42 No.18840908 Report

Quoted By: >>18840927

>>18840737
I'm right around 1740 now and half the teams I'm seeing are full BP teams and use roughly the same five Pokemon. I started seeing it more when I got past 1600 and I've only been able to beat them because I get a lucky crit or two and the opponent just ragequits instead of setting up again. I've thought the BP suspect was stupid up until now and I really want to stop fighting the same team over and over again.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:17:12 No.18840915 Report

Quoted By: >>18840957

>>18840860
>Press Psych up.
>Win.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:18:04 No.18840920 Report

Quoted By:

>>18840377
By banning moves until it sucks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:18:15 No.18840924 Report

Quoted By: >>18840941

>>18840860
How does unaware work with stored power? Does it really still count the boost?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:18:24 No.18840927 Report

Quoted By: >>18840982

>>18840908
as i said before, this is smogon doing this to themselves. no one gave a shit about swagger until faggots started making a big deal about it, and then, poof, everyone's using it

Large Hardon Collider

Large Hardon Collider Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:18:29 No.18840928 Report

Quoted By: >>18840972

Shedinja. Nothing on the team can kill it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:18:53 No.18840932 Report

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>>18840888
I know, right? How dare he!
Go back to your scumhole and play "press this to win", smogonfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:19:03 No.18840934 Report

Quoted By: >>18840970

>>18840839
>Haze Zygarde
He has a niche now? What's your set?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:19:49 No.18840941 Report

Quoted By: >>18840973

>>18840924
Unaware recognizes Sylveon and Espeon's Spatk as Normal

Stored Power still uses the boosted BP

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:19:59 No.18840946 Report

Quoted By: >>18840957 >>18840972

>>18840377

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:20:58 No.18840957 Report

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>>18840842
>>18840915
>>18840946
not viable in OU, locking :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:21:40 No.18840967 Report

Quoted By: >>18840986

>Crobat used Haze!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:21:58 No.18840970 Report

Quoted By: >>18841006

>>18840934
Zygarde @ Leftovers
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Def / 156 SDef
Careful Nature
- Haze
- Glare
- Dragon Tail
- Earthquake

No calcs behind the EVs btw.
Has been working greatly against not even BP teams, Haze is a great overlooked move. No better feeling than Hazing a +2 M Mawile the same turn it uses Sucker punch.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:22:04 No.18840972 Report

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>>18840946
>>18840928
>Using Shitinja in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:22:06 No.18840973 Report

Quoted By: >>18840995

>>18840941
But meanwhile the opponents keeps doing its Shenanigans Quagsire can still set up Amnesia and Curse all day...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:22:43 No.18840982 Report

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>>18840927
Understandable. I've never seen BP as a threat before until now, but it's this core that bothers me. Maybe it could be limited to banning Speed Boost and Baton Pass, like when Blaziken was first dealt with in Gen V.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:23:08 No.18840986 Report

Quoted By: >>18840992 >>18841011

>>18840967
>+2 Speed Espeon/Sylveon kills Crobat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:23:40 No.18840992 Report

Quoted By: >>18840994

>>18840986
>Focus Band

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:24:04 No.18840994 Report

Quoted By:

>>18840992
Sash, you fool!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:24:10 No.18840995 Report

Quoted By: >>18841056

>>18840973
Nah Quagsire wont survive because 400 BP Stored Power.

Are you unable to comprehend

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:24:20 No.18840999 Report

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>>18840377
Ban stored power, or magic bounce

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:24:29 No.18841000 Report

Quoted By: >>18841020 >>18841021

This may be kinda niche, but Perish Song works. And it gets passed and goes through subs. Obviously doesn't work if Mr. Mime is out, but it can catch enough people off guard that they won't always be able to BP to him in time.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:24:45 No.18841006 Report

Quoted By:

>>18840970
Nice work on giving Zygarde a purpose. I usually go with a Coil Up set, but this looks more interesting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:25:09 No.18841011 Report

Quoted By:

>>18840986
>Switch to Crobat turn 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:26:12 No.18841020 Report

Quoted By: >>18841024

>>18841000
Now lets name an OU/UU mon that has Perish Song in their optimal moveset

:^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:26:18 No.18841021 Report

Quoted By:

>>18841000
They have 3 turns to switch into Mr Mime. Perish song does not work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:26:59 No.18841024 Report

Quoted By:

>>18841020
Gengar

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:29:37 No.18841047 Report

Quoted By: >>18841057 >>18841060

Umbreon alone can fuck the team up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:30:11 No.18841056 Report

Quoted By: >>18841069

>>18840995
It's situational, if you start setting up with Quagsire before the opponent starts calm minding with Espeon you could still manage to survive (Do the calcs in the damage calculator if you want, since i'm not 100% sure of that)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:30:16 No.18841057 Report

Quoted By: >>18841071 >>18845262

>>18841047
>sylveon used hyper voice!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:30:28 No.18841060 Report

Quoted By: >>18841071 >>18845262

>>18841047
>Sylveon used hyper voice!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:31:19 No.18841069 Report

Quoted By: >>18841082 >>18841883

>>18841056
quagsire can just haze before the opponent gets too many calm minds up

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:31:27 No.18841071 Report

Quoted By: >>18845262

>>18841057
>>18841060
moot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:32:49 No.18841082 Report

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>>18841069
and after that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWSxELGNShk

:^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:34:35 No.18841102 Report

Quoted By: >>18841139

>X can counter it
>+12 superblast armor will resist it

Why don't you try just stopping the boost, send in a good anti-BP Pokemon first? Literally every anti-BP argument relies on a fictional example of "you are retarded and let this Pokemon set up for 5 turns and your opponent is a newtype".You can even see this in some of the replays.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:39:02 No.18841139 Report

Quoted By: >>18841151

>>18841102
There's little to no way of stopping scolipede from getting 2 or 3 speed boosts right off the bat. From there, speed stops mattering completely and your opponent has switch initiative on every turn. Whatever you bring in, he'll have something to force you out or take the hits and then set up freely while you switch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:40:27 No.18841151 Report

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>>18841139
>Trick Room

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:41:38 No.18841165 Report

Quoted By: >>18841180 >>18841258

Trevenant with Curse and Leech Seed works pretty well, as they get Baton Passed too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:43:39 No.18841180 Report

Quoted By: >>18841214

>>18841165
Oh yeah, Curse is a great move too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:47:12 No.18841214 Report

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>>18841180
It is on Trevenant. The HP loss isn't much of an issue with Harvest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:51:35 No.18841258 Report

Quoted By: >>18841266

>>18841165
Isn't leech seed baton passed as well?

Also could someone check ingame whether topsy-turvy is bounced back by magic bounce? I know heart swap isn't so it could be one of those weird exceptions

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 20:52:27 No.18841266 Report

Quoted By: >>18841616

>>18841258
yep leech seed passes through bp

i'm not sure about the others

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:01:48 No.18841374 Report

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The last time I used Mega Pinsir. It kinda wrecks it. I don't really remember how I pulled that off, though, since I was using a stall team.
I tried taunt Thundurus for a while and it's kinda good vs that team but it's not quite instawin.

Random Destiny Bonds are always cool.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:05:30 No.18841428 Report

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>>18840575
Nice

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:07:15 No.18841439 Report

Quoted By: >>18841461 >>18841574 >>18841724

>>18840377
scolipede - gallade
mr. mime/espeon - mismagius
sylveon - vileplume
smeargle - anything decent
vaporeon - raichu

git gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:08:49 No.18841461 Report

Quoted By:

>>18841439
Explain

:^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:18:30 No.18841574 Report

Quoted By: >>18841651

>>18841439
>Raichu

Legitimately laughing at this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:21:56 No.18841616 Report

Quoted By: >>18841627

>>18841266
does curse pass through subs? that's going to be the biggest obstacle

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:23:06 No.18841627 Report

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>>18841616
Yes it does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:23:58 No.18841640 Report

Quoted By: >>18841705

Topsy-Turvy on the switch to Sylveon and then switch back out
The one thing my bro-tier shitmon can do

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:24:51 No.18841651 Report

Quoted By: >>18841669

>>18841574

alright
how about
magnezone

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:26:10 No.18841669 Report

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>>18841651
why not just raikou or dedenne

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:27:00 No.18841682 Report

Quoted By: >>18841716

>>18840629
>Not Poison Heal Breloom for immunity to sleep

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:28:54 No.18841705 Report

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>>18841640
>mfw people will never feel the joy of cockblocking a sweeper with Malabro

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:29:07 No.18841707 Report

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>>18840814
When you try to exploit something as vast as Pokemon, broken shit is almost inevitable.

When it's not openly obvious or available, people will get creative. Hax, uh... finds a way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:30:07 No.18841716 Report

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>>18841682
yeah, good luck stalling out those base 400 stored powers. or anything with breloom's shitty bulk, idiot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:31:21 No.18841724 Report

Quoted By:

>>18841439
>Not understanding
It's a baton team, it doesn't matter if you can take each individual mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:31:33 No.18841725 Report

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Mega Banette. You lose a mon but you break muh chain

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:31:56 No.18841729 Report

Quoted By: >>18841769 >>18841809

>>18840377
my using the free turns they give you and you setup while they are to busy bosting stats

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:37:03 No.18841769 Report

Quoted By: >>18841791

>>18841729
no point in setting up because their boosts are more efficient anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:39:10 No.18841791 Report

Quoted By: >>18841827

>>18841769

>>18840842
Are you "de-eficient"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:40:44 No.18841809 Report

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>>18841729
>Toxic
>Roar

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:42:07 No.18841827 Report

Quoted By: >>18841867 >>18841873

>>18841791
>quagsire

400BP stored power

hurr

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:45:16 No.18841867 Report

Quoted By: >>18841883

>>18841827

>18841069

hurr

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:45:39 No.18841873 Report

Quoted By: >>18841889 >>18841920

>>18841827
Amnesia?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:46:20 No.18841883 Report

Quoted By:

>>18841867

i mean >>18841069

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:46:40 No.18841889 Report

Quoted By: >>18841926

>>18841873
as if quaqsire is fast enough to pull an amnesia off

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:48:32 No.18841909 Report

Quoted By: >>18841955 >>18841988

>>18840377
Sup

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:49:08 No.18841915 Report

Quoted By:

>>18840474
>not understanding baton pass

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:49:26 No.18841920 Report

Quoted By:

>>18841873
>Quagsire gets +2 SpDef

Stored Power is now (basically) a 380 or 360 (I forget the calc) BP move. Still gonna fuck yo day up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:49:45 No.18841926 Report

Quoted By: >>18841949

>>18841889
Stored Power doesn't start as a 400 BP move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:51:07 No.18841949 Report

Quoted By: >>18842085

>>18841926
It does because no one with half a brain does early game with quagsire

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:51:45 No.18841955 Report

Quoted By:

>>18841909
no matter how hard you try espeon will always get a free speed boost guaranteed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:53:14 No.18841971 Report

Quoted By:

>>18840633
You see, the problem with that is everyone in this thread is retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:54:22 No.18841988 Report

Quoted By: >>18842020

>>18841909
what is sableye gonna do?

get taunted back?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 21:57:44 No.18842020 Report

Quoted By: >>18842049 >>18842050

>>18841988
>Not running knock off or foul play for espeon.

are you even trying?

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Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:01:24 No.18842049 Report

Quoted By: >>18842245

>>18842020
>Not running this guy to Haze and/or Perish song the enemy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:01:35 No.18842050 Report

Quoted By: >>18842077 >>18842109

>>18842020
>implying Foul Play will do shit with their negative natures and 0 Attack IVs
>implying any attack will do anything except break the Sub (if even that) against ridiculous defense boosts

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:03:56 No.18842077 Report

Quoted By: >>18842147

>>18842050
Prankster Taunt forces Scolipede to BP by turn 2 (uses protect turn 1, uses mental herb turn 2 after taunt) so there'd be no sub or defense, just speed.

Even so, you'd have to run an almost-max attack Sableye to do any damage to the Espeon with Knock Off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:04:44 No.18842085 Report

Quoted By:

>>18841949
Even so, a +6 Quagsire takes 3 hits to KO with a Stored Power, and it isn't threatened too much by anything else on a BP team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:05:18 No.18842091 Report

Quoted By:

Giving some thought on it, I think either of these can be good. 130 neutral is faster than 110 Timid (Scolipede exempt cause protecting on the first turn to get Speed Boost). Special one would work a bit better because Nasty Plot boosting when you predict Sub/Protect shenanigans, and at +6, Crobat can OHKO all of them.

Plus in a normal team, it's not completely useless.

Crobat @ Life Orb
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Modest Nature
- Air Slash
- Sludge Bomb
- Nasty Plot
- Haze

Crobat @ Life Orb
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Aerial Ace
- Cross Poison
- Haze
- Super Fang

>>18840645

I think you set those up when it's NOT Espeon out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:06:40 No.18842109 Report

Quoted By: >>18842119 >>18842147

>>18842050
>First turn
>Opponent lead with espeon
>Sub
>Knock off
>Sub
>Knock off
>Sub
>Knock off

What will the opponent accomplish by that? And even if he switches out, good, a another free knock off

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:07:39 No.18842119 Report

Quoted By: >>18842142

>>18842109
Scolipede is the lead

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:09:00 No.18842132 Report

Quoted By: >>18842262

Mega Gengar can rape that whole team, OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:10:00 No.18842142 Report

Quoted By:

>>18842119

>uses knock off
>no more mental herb
>prankster taunt

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:10:21 No.18842147 Report

Quoted By:

>>18842077
>Prankster Taunt forces Scolipede to BP
The very second he sees Sableye he's going to either pass to Espeon to bounce back the Taunt or Sylveon to tank your attacks and whichever route he goes is going to shut you down.

>>18842109
>Opponent lead with espeon

They would never lead with Espeon. They always lead with Scoliopede for a guaranteed 2 boosts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:20:08 No.18842223 Report

Quoted By: >>18842251

What about Feint vs. Scolipede?
What about Chip Away vs. everything?
What about Power/Defense Split?
What about Imposter Ditto?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:22:09 No.18842245 Report

Quoted By: >>18842325

>>18842049
>using shitmon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:22:40 No.18842251 Report

Quoted By: >>18842370

>>18842223
Imposter Ditto works until a sub is up for more than one turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:23:26 No.18842262 Report

Quoted By: >>18842328

>>18842132
>Mega Gengar
>not banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:28:21 No.18842325 Report

Quoted By: >>18842389

>>18842245
>Eviolite Murkrow
>Shit

>>>/out/

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Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:28:31 No.18842328 Report

Quoted By: >>18842380

>>18842262
>going by Smogon rules

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:32:00 No.18842370 Report

Quoted By: >>18842469

>>18842251
imposter doesn't work through subs and they're almost always behind a sub

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:32:55 No.18842380 Report

Quoted By:

>>18842328

but we're talking about a possible change to Smogon rules

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:33:43 No.18842389 Report

Quoted By: >>18842466

>>18842325
>seen nowhere in average rank OU and UU

its trash son

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:36:53 No.18842439 Report

Quoted By: >>18842464

>What part of "players should not be forced to run a single niche counter" do you not understand? Stall teams should also not be forced to run Quagsire on account of Baton Pass chains. And Quagsire is not a counter to Baton Pass chains. He is a type of countermeasure that can still die to even a boosted Espeon, nevermind a Passed hyper offensive threat. I am a consistently top 500 OU ladder player because I do have sufficient knowledge of both Baton Pass archetype and the metagame as a whole. I have followed and played it since its beginning.

What a friendly community. No wonder people love Smogon.

I left out the Time Cube style formatting that everyone there uses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:38:40 No.18842464 Report

Quoted By:

>>18842439

He's right.

Now let's ban Aegislash and Talonflame because a lot of people have to use a shit NU Pokemon to counter them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:38:42 No.18842466 Report

Quoted By: >>18842645

>>18842389
Everything that has prankster can be annoying and it's worth using, just trust me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:38:50 No.18842469 Report

Quoted By:

>>18842370
That's what I'm saying. If a sub isn't broken the turn it's used, Imposter Ditto is worthless. If they sub the turn you switch in Ditto you still get the transform.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 22:50:19 No.18842645 Report

Quoted By: >>18842913 >>18843054

>>18842466
only prankster worth using are sableye,klefki and thundurus

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 23:07:50 No.18842913 Report

Quoted By: >>18842930

>>18842645
You forgot Liepard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 23:09:06 No.18842930 Report

Quoted By: >>18842978

>>18842913
liepard is a frail POS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 23:10:40 No.18842952 Report

Quoted By:

>>18840377
Sunkern used Absorb!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 23:13:08 No.18842978 Report

Quoted By:

>>18842930
Sounds like you're using it wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 23:19:25 No.18843054 Report

Quoted By:

>>18842645
n-no whimsicott?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 23:27:44 No.18843160 Report

Quoted By: >>18843304 >>18843435 >>18843508

If BP teams depend on stored power Espeon, wouldn't it be easier to complex ban Espeon+Stored Power combo?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 23:36:37 No.18843304 Report

Quoted By: >>18843408

>>18843160
By that logic Clefable and others with Stored Power should be banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 23:42:47 No.18843408 Report

Quoted By:

>>18843304
But Clefable way is easier to taunt/torment

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 23:44:24 No.18843435 Report

Quoted By:

>>18843160
it also depends on sylveon too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 23:45:39 No.18843455 Report

Quoted By:

Just limit the number of pokemon that can have baton pass on a team.
It wont interfere with regular baton pass teams but it will kill this nonsense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 23:48:14 No.18843508 Report

Quoted By:

>>18843160

It'd probably be better to just limit BP to 2-3 Pokemon per team. That way people can still run it, though it'll be harder I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Apr 2014 23:55:17 No.18843624 Report

Quoted By: >>18843690

Assault Vest Tyranitar would also be an option. He hits half of the team super effectively, and tanks whatever hit they can throw at it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Apr 2014 00:00:23 No.18843690 Report

Quoted By: >>18843800

>>18843624
>Ttar can tank a +6 Fairy Voice

The next time im making this thread i'm sure to add the necessary context.

Because /vp/ is retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Apr 2014 00:07:21 No.18843800 Report

Quoted By: >>18843896

>>18843690
Good luck getting to +6 under constant threat of 1 and 2 hit KOs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Apr 2014 00:13:53 No.18843896 Report

Quoted By: >>18845760

>>18843800
whats Ttar gonna do against the team?

do unboosted pursuits against +4 def subs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Apr 2014 02:06:56 No.18845262 Report

Quoted By: >>18845283

>>18841057
>>18841060
>>18841071
What if Umbreon could learn Amnesia?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Apr 2014 02:09:11 No.18845283 Report

Quoted By: >>18845602

>>18845262
Irrelevant because Umbreon has no offensive presence in return.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Apr 2014 02:36:56 No.18845602 Report

Quoted By: >>18845636

>>18845283
Damn, Espeon getting the best ability out of all the eeveelutions is unbalanced. Otherwise Toxic alone breaks that chain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Apr 2014 02:40:10 No.18845636 Report

Quoted By:

>>18845602
>espeon
>scolipede
>heal bell sylveon/vaporeon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Apr 2014 02:44:43 No.18845676 Report

Quoted By: >>18845685 >>18845717

lead with talonflame

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Apr 2014 02:45:50 No.18845685 Report

Quoted By: >>18845717

>>18845676
mega pinsir works too

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Apr 2014 02:50:32 No.18845717 Report

Quoted By: >>18845743 >>18845788

>>18845676
>>18845685

>Smeargle used Spore!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Apr 2014 02:54:32 No.18845743 Report

Quoted By: >>18845789

>>18845717
They mainly lead with Scolipede, and a priority Brave Bird is enough to kill it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Apr 2014 02:55:49 No.18845760 Report

Quoted By:

>>18843896
Dragon Dance while the Peed protects/switches out

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Apr 2014 02:57:50 No.18845788 Report

Quoted By:

>>18845717
lmao

nobody leads with smeargle
and even if they do switch to your spore blocker or let a mon get spored to activate sleepclause then kill everything with brave bird spam

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Apr 2014 02:57:53 No.18845789 Report

Quoted By: >>18845861

>>18845743
If they seed Talonflame they're leading with Zapdos, Smeargle or Vaporeon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Apr 2014 03:04:56 No.18845861 Report

Quoted By:

>>18845789
the only person who runs zapdos is stinki
smeargle and vaporeon won't help

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