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>>18898290
yeah because its apparently a serious problem right now

before gen 6 most baton passers had serious flaws and hazards were a pain in the dick. nowadays theyre used less often because defog. also there are many actually decent passers now like scolips and sylveon, and eeveelutions are some of the best recipients in the game thanks to stored power and other factors.

i'm pretty sure smogon's wild ride is gonna stop when they rule on baton pass, unless someone decides that a mega is too powerful. probably charizard-x considering its dealing rayquaza-levels of damage without any serious drawbacks like other megas

252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Venusaur: 160-189 (43.9 - 51.9%) -- 11.7% chance to 2HKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Rayquaza Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Venusaur: 175-207 (48 - 56.8%) -- 88.3% chance to 2HKO

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 17:36:06 No.18898433 Report

Quoted By: >>18898444 >>18898500

>>18898290
They're currently discussing nerfing full Baton Pass. The best solution is restricting the number of Pokemon you're allowed to have on your team with Baton Pass.
It's not nearly as bad an idea as people are making it out to be, since there's little reason to run the same move on more than half of your team anyway.
Really, a rule that rejects any team that puts the same move on four or more Pokemon is the best way to deal with the problem.
>>18898389
"Rayquaza-level damage output" isn't actually much of an issue these days. Haxorus already came pretty close, Zweilous is actually stronger, and Black Kyurem exists. The things that I could actually see getting suspect tests are:
>Aegislash
>Deoxys-D
>Deoxys-S
>Thundurus-I

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 17:36:38 No.18898439 Report

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>>18898389
Doesn't Azumarill stop Megazard X cold, though? Its STABs are resisted by Azumarill's types, for one.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 17:37:07 No.18898444 Report

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>>18898433
>not ZardY

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 17:40:43 No.18898472 Report

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>>18898439
The vast majority of Charizard-X run Earthquake in the 4th slot to deal with Azumarill.
Azumarill doesn't stop it cold, either- its STABs do neutral damage, and defensive Char-x with WoW is all the rage.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 17:42:01 No.18898490 Report

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Obviously Trick Room

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 17:43:07 No.18898500 Report

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>>18898433
> rejects any team that puts the same move on four or more Pokemon
That kills the stall

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 17:45:15 No.18898519 Report

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That wouldn't ban D-Dance, that helps them win.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 17:46:36 No.18898532 Report

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>>18898519
Refer to >>18897631

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 18:19:03 No.18898894 Report

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ebin shitposting :^)

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 18:26:17 No.18898953 Report

Quoted By: >>18898971 >>18899179

Aren't haze, WW, dragon tail, roar, taunt, trick (scarf or ass vest) all pretty much shut down baton passers?
And they all have high distribution.

Not to mention Unawares, and Malamar with topsy turvy.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 18:27:52 No.18898961 Report

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>>18898532
OU council members, please go.
No hard feelings.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 18:29:35 No.18898971 Report

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>>18898953
Topsy Turvy is fucking hilarious, but Sylveon really shits up Malamar

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 18:36:21 No.18899020 Report

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>>18898500
I don't see why that would be the case. Explain.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 18:37:46 No.18899029 Report

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>>18899020
Can't have protect / toxic on every pokemon I guess.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 18:44:53 No.18899081 Report

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>>18899029
You shouldn't need to. I looked at a few Stall teams, they don't tend to run more than three Pokemon with each.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 18:46:49 No.18899106 Report

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They'll ban everything but Tackle, calling it now.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 18:51:45 No.18899152 Report

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>>18899106
I was just about to say that. Every battle will be like your first battle with your rival.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 18:53:52 No.18899179 Report

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>>18898953
as far as I know, roar and taunt aren't viable because of the particular team that's causing trouble for baton pass. The one I saw being discussed was Sylveon/Vaporeon/Espeon/Mr. Mime/Smeargle/Scoliopede. If you suspect someone might taunt or roar, then baton pass to espeon or mr. mime. All have leftovers, use smeargle to ingrain, it's very difficult to kill the team. Sylveon and Espeon are sweepers with stored power.

In saying that though banning baton pass is bullshit, though I can see why this particular baton pass team is raising some suspicions. The people who run this team are at the top of the ladder currently, some guy on PS has a 90%+ win rate with this team.

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Skylanon !!C824FB2OnDz Fri 18 Apr 2014 19:28:35 No.18899565 Report

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>>18896343
I think they should ban earthquake its too strong

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 19:34:25 No.18899624 Report

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>>18899565
thousand arrows is going to be worse m8.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Apr 2014 21:23:45 No.18900875 Report

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>>18896343
Recover, cosmic power, priority status effects, basically anything that isnt hyper offensive will be banned

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