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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 07:34:45 No.18971041 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>18971104 >>18971133 >>18972048 >>18972087 >>18972428 >>18973049

How did Froakie, who was the least popular of the three Kalos starters when Generation Six was revealed in January 2013, usurp Fennekin's most-liked honor?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 07:37:10 No.18971049 Report

Quoted By: >>18971056

Because Greninja's actually useful.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 07:37:22 No.18971050 Report

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Froakie was always on top, baby.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 07:37:45 No.18971051 Report

Quoted By: >>18971056 >>18971104 >>18971529

Protean.
Firefox's shitty wizard skills.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 07:38:23 No.18971053 Report

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Fennekin stood up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 07:40:02 No.18971056 Report

Quoted By: >>18971064 >>18972159

>>18971049
>>18971051
This

That's the only reason why the line is liked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 07:41:05 No.18971062 Report

Quoted By: >>18971079

Because it turned out to be a cool ninja frog
Because it's the most competitively viable
Because it got the most interesting alternate ability

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 07:41:21 No.18971064 Report

Quoted By: >>18971072

>>18971056
That's not true, I always thought Froakie was the best starter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 07:43:45 No.18971072 Report

Quoted By: >>18971078

>>18971064
You like Chespin more I know it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 07:45:25 No.18971078 Report

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>>18971072
Ew, grass types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 07:46:00 No.18971079 Report

Quoted By: >>18971084 >>18971135 >>18971271 >>18971739 >>18972036 >>18973980

>>18971062
>Cool ninja frog

That ugly piece of crap was blasted for its appearance when it was revealed

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 07:47:26 No.18971084 Report

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>>18971079

Smogon says Greninja is cool now, so Greninja is cool now. The end.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 07:53:12 No.18971104 Report

Quoted By: >>18971126 >>18971385

>>18971041
>Froakie, who was the least popular of the three Kalos starters when Generation Six was revealed
Maybe for you, I liked Froakie at first sight, and thought Fennekin was just a cheap fusion of Vulpix and Zorua.
And as >>18971051 said, Delphox's moovepool is awful. It's a wizard, for fuck's sake, and it can't learn the counterparts of a basic arcana-user.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 07:56:48 No.18971126 Report

Quoted By: >>18971184 >>18971398

>>18971104
It's obvious they didn't want anything to overshadow Nippon frog. Hell, Protean makes more sense on Delphox and Magician on Greninja

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 07:58:12 No.18971133 Report

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>>18971041
Because kids like unoriginal stuff

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 07:58:39 No.18971135 Report

Quoted By: >>18971158 >>18971182 >>18972366

>>18971079
Delphox and Chesnaught got way more negative reception than Greninja did.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 08:03:43 No.18971158 Report

Quoted By: >>18971218

>>18971135
Delphox should have been made to look more like this. It's not even a radical change but the slight adjustments make it look way better

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 08:07:34 No.18971176 Report

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From every gen out of 1 of the versions that i buy i almost always pick the fire type. but because of the shitty wizard this is the first gen that i haven't. I hate the look and I hate its movepool. I would've went with froakie anyway in one of my versions because he is hands down best. at least I was able to try a grass starter for the first time since platinum

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 08:08:36 No.18971182 Report

Quoted By: >>18971218 >>18976313

>>18971135
I'm not even a furfag but I was super disappointed by Delphox not being maximum furbait. Delphox design is just plain boring and that the thing itself is shit at game doesn't help either.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 08:08:47 No.18971184 Report

Quoted By: >>18972083

>>18971126
>It's obvious they didn't want anything to overshadow Nippon frog
More like franco-japanese ouiabou frog, but I guess you're right.
>Protean makes more sense on Delphox and Magician on Greninja
I can agree with you on both statements, but Protean also makes sense with Greninja since frogs and olms (or proteus) are both amphibians.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 08:16:41 No.18971218 Report

Quoted By: >>18971227 >>18971258 >>18971520 >>18971607 >>18972375

>>18971158
Could you enlighten me on how it makes it look better?
>>18971182
>Delphox not being maximum furbait
It's indeed not as big of a furbait as Braixen, but come on, it will become Lucario-tier (or Zoroark-tier if "lucky") furbait in the future.

>Chesnaught got way more negative reception
The only thing that bugged me about Chesnaught was the white fur and the fact that it looked no longer like a rodent. Otherwise, I liked this big guy in full spiky armor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 08:18:58 No.18971227 Report

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>>18971218
The proportions aren't out of wack. It still maintains its look while losing its triangle shape

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 08:25:20 No.18971255 Report

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You want to go look through the archive? Froakie was barely edged out on top. Froakie>Fennekin>HAHAFUCKINGCHIPMUNK

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 08:25:35 No.18971258 Report

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>>18971218
Nah, Delphox's already fucked. If it has not gotten popular by now then it won't get popular later. It already missed the bus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 08:28:09 No.18971271 Report

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>>18971079
No, it was just the newfags having read about Wottergate and wanting to have their own collective tantrum too.
The rest of the people got to know the starters after the game's official launch, and seemed actually pretty pleased about the idea of a ninja frog.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 08:43:27 No.18971330 Report

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the only people who liked fennekin were furfaggots

when it turned out that delphox wasn't shitty furbait everyone collectively stopped caring

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 08:53:16 No.18971368 Report

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>Usurp
No, it took what was its rightful place all along.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 08:54:34 No.18971385 Report

Quoted By: >>18971497 >>18972643

>>18971104
>I liked Froakie at first sight, and thought Fennekin was just a cheap fusion of Vulpix and Zorua
If you dislike "fused old" designs, let me just remind you froakie is the 5th first stage frog pokemon and Greninja is the 6th fully evolved frog pokemon (Politoed, Poliwrath, Venusaur, Toxicroak, Seismitoad)
Especially Frogadier looks too much like Toxicroak-Politoed
I mean, what I quoted is a reason to like Chespin as a first stage pokemon
That said, Greninja has a really cool and original design while Chesnaught is just ugly and Delphox is both ugly and unoriginal.
>it_just_gets_bigger.webm
>unexplainably_bipedal_for_no_reason.png
>worse_ninetales.exe
Add competitive viability and you have the best starter to be Greninja

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 08:55:51 No.18971393 Report

Quoted By: >>18975483

>tfw I've preferred Chespin's line since Chespin was revealed
>tfw you get called hipster barafag instead of smogonfag or furfag
People will always find a way to hate something regardless of whether they really dislike it or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 08:56:58 No.18971398 Report

Quoted By: >>18971414

>>18971126
>Protean makes more sense on Delphox than Greninja
What is one of the things ninjas are most kown for? Camouflage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 09:02:15 No.18971414 Report

Quoted By: >>18971428

>>18971398
What are rogue classes known for? Stealing and Mugging aka magician. Also, if you want to talk camouflage, why didn't they make that its ability alone? The STAB makes more sense on Delphox because lol magic. As it is, Greninja does a better job at being a wizard than Delphox

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 09:07:40 No.18971428 Report

Quoted By: >>18971437 >>18971443 >>18974048

>>18971414
One of the most popular stage magician tricks is making an object disappear, so maybe that's what the magician ability is based on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 09:08:29 No.18971431 Report

Quoted By: >>18971456

>Least popular
>Froakie

You might want to check the official Nintendo usage.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 09:10:04 No.18971437 Report

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>>18971428
I see that ability in a whole new light because of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 09:12:15 No.18971443 Report

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>>18971428
Magicians perform slight of hand trick like stealing your watch and stuff

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 09:15:44 No.18971456 Report

Quoted By: >>18971478

>>18971431
when they revealed Froakie indeed was the least popular.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 09:18:57 No.18971478 Report

Quoted By: >>18971499 >>18971527 >>18971540

>>18971456
No, Chespin was, especially here on vp, where it got ton of flack for looking like an early rodent

Personally I loved all of the designs (apart from Fennekin ear hair, which still irks me a bit)

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 09:22:45 No.18971497 Report

Quoted By: >>18971520 >>18971607 >>18972371

>>18971385
>If you dislike "fused old" designs, let me just remind you froakie is the 5th first stage frog pokemon and Greninja is the 6th fully evolved frog pokemon (Politoed, Poliwrath, Venusaur, Toxicroak, Seismitoad)
I know, but at least Frogadier/Greninja's quadrupedal stance does'nt make them look like the other frogs, I think.
I agree with you on Delphox, but I think Chesnaught isn't that ugly (his pre-evolution is) but more like a "not really beautiful" gentle giant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 09:22:48 No.18971499 Report

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>>18971478
Froakie was definitely the least popular when they were just revealed. Fennekin was the most popular by far.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 09:25:15 No.18971506 Report

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>Froakie was definitely the least popular when they were just revealed. Fennekin was the most popular by far.

100% accurate. When they were first revealed, it went: Fennekin > Chespin > Froakie

Fennekin might still be more popular than Froakie if you discount their evolutions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 09:29:13 No.18971520 Report

Quoted By: >>18971607 >>18972375

>>18971497
Indeed, Greninja stands out design-wise as I said.
As for Chesnaught, I'm more with this guy: >>18971218
>The only thing that bugged me about Chesnaught was the white fur and the fact that it looked no longer like a rodent. Otherwise, I liked this big guy in full spiky armor.
If only his shiny and normal colors were swapped.
In my first playthrough (had purposefully stayed off the internetz in early october to avoid spoilers) I picked chespin. The moment Quilladin evolved into Chesnaught, the first thing I thought (when he was still white) was "Hunchback Metal-Greymon"
Needless to say he was immediately boxed for Gogoat and in my second playthrough I picked Greninja

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 09:31:07 No.18971527 Report

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>>18971478
No. I was on multiple forums with multiple polls. It was almost always Fennekin>Chespin>Froakie

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 09:31:39 No.18971529 Report

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>>18971051
>Fennekin has the obvious Thief ability renamed to be 'magical'
>Froakie has the magical ability that still has a magic name
>Fennekin doesn't even get fucking coverage

Clearly japan made fennekin shit to ensure that their precious Froge would not be outclassed.

>Psychic type that doesn't get focus blast or t-bolt

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 09:34:52 No.18971540 Report

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>>18971478
Chespin received hate because it's body and head resembled Oshawott, and it was called Oshawott with a hat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 09:46:20 No.18971574 Report

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Picture: I see Fennekin is being trained for its future evolution into Braixen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 09:50:53 No.18971607 Report

Quoted By: >>18971661

>>18971520
The funny thing is that I am >>18971497 and >>18971218.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 10:12:23 No.18971661 Report

Quoted By:

>>18971607
Ha
Then we agree and just express our opinions differently

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 10:41:23 No.18971739 Report

Quoted By:

>>18971079
Only on 4chan. Everywhere else likes 'cool' designs, even if they are corny as fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 10:47:50 No.18971751 Report

Quoted By: >>18971951

Wait, since when was Froakie the least popular? I thought that was Chespin? People were saying it looked like an early route pokemon and all sorts of other shit.
Meanwhile, Froakie had charming expressions and shit from the get-go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 11:49:52 No.18971951 Report

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>>18971751

All three were pretty equal almost, but when 1st evos were revealed Fennekin was at the top while Chespin plummeted, then when final evos came Fennekin tanked. I'd say Froakie was the most consistenly popular, since the only gripe was the tongue and bubble thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 12:20:42 No.18972036 Report

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>>18971079
Only because the leaked shots looked like shit.

Greninja looks cool in the actual game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 12:25:41 No.18972048 Report

Quoted By: >>18972302

>>18971041
Fennekin gained the Psychic type upon its final evolution, which has undergone a massive nerf this generation.
As for Froakie, it was Game Freak's pet starter that each generation has, being the faster starter ever, a large movepool of both physical and special moves, and a hidden ability to get STAB on ever attack. So its weakness to the new Fairy type is removed because it can change types.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 12:34:07 No.18972068 Report

Quoted By: >>18972287

Froakie is OU bro while the other two are bottom NU trash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 12:39:42 No.18972083 Report

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>>18971184
oh lordy those hips

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 12:40:15 No.18972087 Report

Quoted By: >>18972198

>>18971041
>edgy ninja frog evo
>protean
>good movepool

vs

>feminine wizard w/ bad ingame model
>magician
>no moves

gee I wonder why

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 12:45:49 No.18972110 Report

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Greninja is the electivire of gen6

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 12:53:36 No.18972145 Report

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But I've preferred Froakie from the start.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 12:57:21 No.18972159 Report

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>>18971056
Fuck no. I almost always go for Water-types anyway, and Froakie just seemed like a bro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:02:18 No.18972198 Report

Quoted By: >>18972265

>>18972087
I wonder if Delphox would be more likable with a less terrible model. It usually doesn't look that bad in official art, but the model's "robe" touching the floor without the visible feet makes it look like a real mess. Also not giving it a bunch of different special moves of various types was a stupid direction to take the mage Pokemon in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:06:22 No.18972221 Report

Quoted By: >>18972323

Because Froakie was always the most liked? Seriously, Fennekin was the one people didn't want to use

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:14:43 No.18972260 Report

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I was purposely avoiding /vp/ pre-launch but in my friend circles both online and IRL everybody hated the shit out of Froakie except me, I thought it was sure to get a really badass evolution.

Everyone else liked Fennekin except for a handful of guys who liked Chespin. Nobody really hated Chespin, but both groups banded together in hatred of Froakie.

Fast forward to the first evos reveal and Chespin people jumped ship to Fennekin because of Quiladin. I actually abandoned Frogadier as well because I thought they were going in the Snivy direction of making him a smug asshole, but I looked at Quiladin and thought "man that thing is horrible. It's GOT to have a cool as fuck final form to make up for that"

Then the final forms were leaked and cue everyone crying bitch tears over Delphox, and saying they all look like shit, especially Chesnaught. I hated Chesnaught at first too, but I think it's just the pretty bad in game model it has.

After the dust settled everyone was suddenly playing with Froakie for Greninja and saying how badass he was. A couple of fags like me still used Chespin and like one furfag used Fennekin.

Now months later and they're all liked exactly the same as all the other starters have been. All the "B-b-but DIGIMON" fags shut up and now like them, all the people who shit most on Froakie at first and berated everyone else for liking the others now use Greninja cuz "he's sick as shit bro" and everyone just traded baby starters to have all of them anyway. This is why the early opinions on new Pokémon don't matter a single bit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:16:42 No.18972265 Report

Quoted By: >>18972350

>>18972198
This, Greninja is the only one with a good in game model. Delphox and Chesnaught just are slightly fucked up somehow, I can't put my finger on it but they both look fine in literally every other depiction of them, either official or fanmade

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:24:20 No.18972287 Report

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>>18972068
>Chesnaught
>NU
Nigga you dumb

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:27:12 No.18972302 Report

Quoted By: >>18972320

>>18972048
>So its weakness to the new Fairy type is removed because it can change types.
I sometimes forget about that, thinking that it only gets the type of the attack it's using but not defensively.
The first time I saw that a Flamethrower was super-effetive against my Greninja, I wondered what the fuck was going on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:32:47 No.18972320 Report

Quoted By: >>18972403

>>18972302
>implying you raised a Protean Greninja unintentionally
Did you get a shiny in Pokemon Red too, motherfucker?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:33:23 No.18972323 Report

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>>18972221
Fennekin was well-liked and Froakie was preferred by guys who thought Fennekin was too girly. Chespin was the one that nobody liked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:37:36 No.18972337 Report

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froakie was always the most popular
being in the anime made it more popular
being in smash bros will make it even more popular

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:40:33 No.18972350 Report

Quoted By: >>18978948

>>18972265
Delphox looked great in its artwork - it's crouching down and has a cool wand, it looks sneaky and dynamic to me. But in-game it reminds me more of an un-posed character-model than anything, it's just standing there. Same with Chesnaught, but at least Chesnaught's model looks weird enough that even a dull pose can't COMPLETELY wreck it.

Greninja got an awesome in-game model except in Pokemon-amie, where it just sorta stands there goofily. But since it doesn't make sense that it'd assume cool ninja stances when being patted and fed by its beloved trainer I guess it makes sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:43:30 No.18972366 Report

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>>18971135
Eh Delphox sure, but Chesnaught hate was more of radiating from Quilladin hate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:43:59 No.18972371 Report

Quoted By: >>18972504

>>18971497
>Venusaur
Pretty sure it's a dino, man. Hence the 'Saur', the ears, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:44:48 No.18972375 Report

Quoted By: >>18972504

>>18971218
>>18971520
You mean beige? That's the armor. The white fur for its cheek and chest "hair" gives it a rugged look.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:46:32 No.18972381 Report

Quoted By: >>18972419 >>18972504

To each their own opinion, but I still think Greninja is shit. Protein or not. I'm being honest here, I've battled a few people online with Greninja with this ability and manage to easily defeat them with Thunderbolt from my Heliolisk or my personal favorite Dazzling Gleam from my Sylveon.

inb4 HURRR GET GUD FGT.
If you like that frog then that's you.Not baiting,just saying.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:50:13 No.18972403 Report

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>>18972320
What if I bred or caught a Protean Froakie/Frogadier in a Safari park, asshole?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:52:41 No.18972419 Report

Quoted By: >>18972459

>>18972381
That's cool. I'm going to assume they played stupidly and didn't change it to a good type soon enough, or didn't breed properly, or didn't EV train properly, simply because Greninja is fast as shit and has access to plenty of moves that should make it take neutral/not very effective damage from both those moves, assuming it struck first.

Unless you're using the Choice Scarf of course, that reks the Smashfrog's shit pretty effectively. It's a good pokemon in my experience but there's still plenty ways to counter it, and due to its low defenses and HP it probably won't be able to survive much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:53:49 No.18972428 Report

Quoted By: >>18972456

>>18971041
Are you kidding me? Day 1 Fennekinfag here, the Froakiefags were always in the biggest number, hands down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:58:31 No.18972456 Report

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>>18972428
Skimming the /vp/ archives from April 2013 tells me you're either delusional or a liar.

Which is it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:58:50 No.18972459 Report

Quoted By: >>18972620

>>18972419
nope,they were actually decent players. I used my own strategy and easily defeated Greninja. Froakie may be OP in the anime, but the game is a different story

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 14:09:01 No.18972504 Report

Quoted By: >>18972581

>>18972371
It can be both, there's nothing wrong with it. But remember that the "saur" is only in English.
Every other languages has no references to dinosaurs, from the Japanese "Fushigibana", the German "Bisaflor" or in my case, the French "Florizarre".
>>18972375
Yep, you're right, that's more beige. I agree on the fact it looks rugged, but i think that, as usual, fanarts make it a lot better, though it's not that bad.
>>18972381
Well, of course, if you're using STAB super-effective attacks, smart ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 14:20:47 No.18972581 Report

Quoted By: >>18972775

>>18972504
I dunno man, since Pokemon tends to put puns or at the very least referential names for most of them I'm pretty certain that Venusaur doesn't have much if anything to do with frogs, considering that its name in most languages just seems to be a play on 'Strange flower.' Compare it to shit like Toxicroak, Politoed, Poliwrath, Seismitoad Greninja, any other frogmons I'm forgetting, all of them have names that refer to frogs, or frog-related things like croaking in all listed languages.

Also, Seismitoad is apparently called Crapustule in French. Heh heh heh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 14:28:47 No.18972620 Report

Quoted By: >>18972631

>>18972459
Heliolisk I can see, given that it can have Dry Skin and would otherwise be taking neutral damage from Hydro Pump, Greninja's strongest attack.
Sylveon is a bit harder to swallow, since no one is going to use Dark Pulse on a Fairy-type... though Greninja's shit defenses might still let Dazzling Gleam OHKO wait what the fuck are you using DG on a Sylveon for when it has access to Moonblast are you a dumbass or something holy shit opinion discarded this is b8 into the trash it goes etc etc etc.
Oh, and neutral Moonblast is a 2HKO without Specs or Life Orb. So either the Grenigger managed to get off a few hits before dying, suffering Life Orb damage in the process, or you've been battling retards, who tend to make up most of the Greninja users on the cart. Why use a Special/Mixed sweeper other than Mewtwo in Free Battles? Why use something that is of no help against MegaKanga, MegaGengar, MegaLuke, or Rotom-W in Ratings? If you're gud, it can work out...

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 14:30:39 No.18972631 Report

Quoted By: >>18972661

>>18972620
Forgot to add, only a retard would keep Greninja in on a Sylveon, unless they actually wanted to sacrifice it. Protean not-so-Bulk cannot into Special Wallbreaking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 14:34:07 No.18972643 Report

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>>18971385
>Delphox is both ugly and unoriginal
I legit don't see it. I like Delphox's design and think the whole concept is pretty damn clever. This coming from a guy who generally can't stand fox/dog/cat pokemon. Usually they're the least creative of the bunch, this time I feel they did a pretty good job.

Honestly, apart from Fennekin, who is just boring, this is pretty much the only gen where I've liked all the starters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 14:35:55 No.18972661 Report

Quoted By: >>18972706

>>18972631
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that anyone would use U-turn or just switch out if faced with a Sylveon since Greninja can't learn any fire or steel moves and the only poison ones it has are toxic and toxic spikes.

Greninja definitely has its weaknesses but I don't buy his 'my Sylveon kills gr8 Greninja easy, Greninja is therefore shit' story.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 14:37:49 No.18972670 Report

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Nintendo needs to cater to the "American-Ninja Lover" demographic for fighting games, not the "American-Furry Lover" or "American-Bara Lover" demo.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 14:41:59 No.18972703 Report

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Always been using Water starters on first playthrough since the beginning so I've always liked the Froakie line. I sort of drifted away from Greninja shortly after winning the maingame, but the Smash Bros trailer reignited my interest in it and I've been using it in my team again. It usually did not pose too big a problem for me when I battled against it, but it's been putting in good work since I put it back on my team.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 14:42:30 No.18972706 Report

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>>18972661
Oh, Sylveon would have no trouble killing Greninja 1v1. Any competent player would realize that. If you let Sylveon kill Greninja, then you're either a shit player or you've already eliminated what needed eliminating and you're looking for a way to set up a Swords Dance with Scizor or something so you can end the game.
Though Greninja do use HP Fire with some regularity. I kinda wish it could learn Incinerate, too.
And in case it wasn't totally clear, I'm still agreeing with you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 14:49:00 No.18972743 Report

Quoted By: >>18972798 >>18972814 >>18972826

>yfw chesnaught gets shell smash in gen 7

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 14:50:19 No.18972753 Report

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I always though chespin was the best, especially when the trailer first came outbecause we already had a fire fox, a ton of fire canids, and many water frogs.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 14:54:57 No.18972775 Report

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>>18972581
>Seismitoad is apparently called Crapustule in French.
I nicknamed mine Crapotaku since it's a fat toad (crapaud) with pimples (pustules), and because a lot of people think that otakus have acena all over their faces.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 14:59:32 No.18972798 Report

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>>18972743
That would be pretty good actually. His attack is good, and his speed is just high enough that he'd outspeed a good bunch of pokemon.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 15:00:57 No.18972814 Report

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>>18972743
Fuck that, I'm hoping we get that before Gen VI ends, along with Delphox getting Geomancy from an Event. This is my favorite set of starters in any generation, and I'd love to see all three make it big. Though I'm very pleased with how my absolute favorite turned out to be the best.

Mildly unrelated, but Shell Smash Blastoise, Torterra, Samurott, Shelgon, and Pupitar when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 15:02:13 No.18972826 Report

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>>18972743
Let's just hope it gets Drain Punch or Mach Punch in Pokémon Z.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 15:31:56 No.18973049 Report

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>>18971041

Why does Smash Bros cause so much butthurt?

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 17:17:58 No.18973832 Report

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>>18973049
>character choices
>rosters
>casual/tourneyfag debates

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 17:23:08 No.18973864 Report

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>>18972814

>Shell Smash Tyranitar

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 17:41:49 No.18973980 Report

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>>18971079
This is was a butt-hurt fennekinfag looks like, people.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 17:51:37 No.18974048 Report

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>>18971428
Exactly this. I believe Delphox's HA in spanish is actually called "Prestidigitation" or what we would reffer to as "Sleight-of-Hand". It's something that magician are very known for are very fitting for delphox.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 20:28:11 No.18975483 Report

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>>18971393

IKTF

When the trifecta is in play, I always roll tank.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 21:40:34 No.18976313 Report

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>>18971182
oh man i remember those glorious furfag tears when delphox was revealed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Apr 2014 01:49:40 No.18978948 Report

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>>18972350
Not to mention that pose it makes when it does certain attacks.

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Anonymous Sat 26 Apr 2014 02:01:28 No.18979061 Report

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>>18978948
It would look always cool if it had its wand out all the time, even more so if it had that artwork pose during battle.

>tfw you try your hardest to see Delphox as a male but it makes this girly "kyaa!" cry and ruins everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Apr 2014 02:10:38 No.18979132 Report

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>>18975483
How often is it tho that Grass has been the tank? Venasaur, Meganium, Torterra, and Chesnaught. Kinda ridiculous really.

Unles Feraligatr is actually the tank of Gen 2. I dunno

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