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Elite 4

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 16:41:48 No.19172983 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>19173021 >>19173058 >>19173303 >>19173331 >>19174079 >>19175867

Can we please go back to the classic E4 format of them increasing in level as you go along, instead of all being the same?

I can't be the only one who wants this

Chris 0147-0114-8739 (Boldore, Magcargo, ???)

Chris 0147-0114-8739 (Boldore, Magcargo, ???) Sun 11 May 2014 16:44:04 No.19173021 Report

Quoted By: >>19173045 >>19173057 >>19173114 >>19173172 >>19174614 >>19174643 >>19175735

>>19172983
How was Drake a rank above Glacia, anyhow?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 16:45:24 No.19173034 Report

Quoted By: >>19173108

you are.
a curving EV came with the intention of your pokemon leveling along with it, but it's ridiculous to assume you can level everyone up that much, even with the new exp share. It also takes away the choice of battling them in whatever level you please.
If it scaled again you'd all just grind up to the levels of the champion anyways, or otherwise go in completely underleveled. Champ can be higher leveled, but the E4 all be consistently higher level if we don't scale. This actually makes it harder than the scaling E4 in this regard.

Jeff 3007-8879-6782 {1600}

Jeff 3007-8879-6782 {1600} Sun 11 May 2014 16:46:09 No.19173045 Report

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>>19173021
He was just that good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 16:46:53 No.19173057 Report

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>>19173021

Dragon special treatment

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 16:47:06 No.19173058 Report

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>>19172983
I actually prefer them all to be the same level.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 16:50:26 No.19173108 Report

Quoted By: >>19173133 >>19173151 >>19173155 >>19175142

>>19173034

But the satisfaction was so much greater when you had to go through the trials of increasingly powerful opponents, and then beat an champ who put all of them to shame.

>The last good League was in Platinum

What a shame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 16:50:40 No.19173114 Report

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>>19173021
I remember barely beating Glacia and I was running low on Full Restores and his dragons were a huge pain in the ass mainly because of Flygons and his Salamence

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 16:52:27 No.19173133 Report

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>>19173108
Having to spam items on your underleveled team to win isn't fun or skillful.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 16:53:26 No.19173151 Report

Quoted By: >>19175550

>>19173108

>Alright, I finally beat that psychic faggot, hopefully the champ won't be that much stronger
>mfw That bitch of a Garchomp

God damn that was fun

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 16:53:38 No.19173155 Report

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>>19173108
Other than the mary sue champion the sinnoh league was absolute shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 16:53:43 No.19173157 Report

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They can be the same level.

Just make that level higher and give them 5 Pokemon, or 6 in the rematch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 16:54:47 No.19173172 Report

Quoted By: >>19174643

>>19173021
how was lance above lorelei anyhow?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 17:00:08 No.19173241 Report

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>>19173133
>it's not fun if I can't sweep with my lead pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 17:00:20 No.19173245 Report

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>>19173133
maybe, maybe not
it had the potential to have intense battles where you JUST held on to win though
these days it takes longer for you to finish the water spouting/fire spouting swords spinning bullshit than the actual fights
all fluff, no meat. Modern Elite 4 is like fucking cotton candy

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 17:02:40 No.19173273 Report

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>>19173133

Have you played any other jrpgs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 17:04:57 No.19173303 Report

Quoted By: >>19173408

>>19172983
get rid of the ice bitch and we're golden, she is literally most forgettable character ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 17:05:54 No.19173325 Report

Quoted By: >>19173398

the Hoenn E4 is the worst, I hope they make them more memorable, even their designs are shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 17:06:13 No.19173331 Report

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>>19172983
yes this is so much better. Fucking gamefreak dumbing everything down to capture the fucking casuals. With the fucking exp all and extra xp for so much shit. Also why the fuck doesn't the elite 4 get stronger after you win the championship, you have to go to the fucking battle chateau to vs them at high levels and that place is for complete autists who just want to button mash all day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 17:08:14 No.19173362 Report

Quoted By: >>19174577

>http://youtu.be/OKVrafnnu0Y
>this music

Just bring back the horns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 17:10:07 No.19173398 Report

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>>19173325
>hating on drake and qt brown ghost girl

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 17:10:34 No.19173408 Report

Quoted By: >>19173522 >>19174683 >>19174832 >>19174866 >>19177236

>>19173303
>3 members of the Sealeo family
>2 fucking Glalies

Jesus Christ, and Phoebe's pretty shit too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 17:17:21 No.19173522 Report

Quoted By: >>19174628

>>19173408
just give her dusclops, mismagius, sableye, Jellicent and M-banette (dusknoir and gengar for rematch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 18:01:37 No.19174079 Report

Quoted By: >>19174635

>>19172983
I want this. The problem with even levels of E4 is that you end up steamrolling all of them and then forgetting they ever existed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 18:38:12 No.19174577 Report

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>>19173362
Best E4 theme by far.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 18:40:28 No.19174614 Report

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>>19173021
shirtless captain. Every logic is invalid agains that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 18:41:23 No.19174628 Report

Quoted By: >>19174652

>>19173522
She should get M-Banette in rematches.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 18:41:53 No.19174635 Report

Quoted By: >>19174655

>>19174079
I wish you could still choose but they should still scale levels based on the order you pick

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 18:43:07 No.19174643 Report

Quoted By: >>19174670

>>19173021
Dragons are epik, magne.
>>19173133
>Implying that struggles aren't fun
>Wanting to do away with a classic JRPG trope
>>19173172
Fucking this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 18:43:29 No.19174652 Report

Quoted By: >>19174826

>>19174628
I thought every elite four should get a mega
Sidney:Absol
Phoebe:banette
Glacia:Frolass
Drake: salamence
Wallace: milotic
Steven:metagross

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 18:43:34 No.19174655 Report

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>>19174635
This would be a good idea, but it would lead to paradoxes and them having to create more Trainer Data.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 18:45:02 No.19174670 Report

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>>19174643
Glacia has yet to battle Drake, same with Lorelei and Lance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 18:46:11 No.19174683 Report

Quoted By: >>19174848

>>19173408
Phoebe's pretty memorable because of that outfit, if you ask me.
but holy shit the whole of the hoenn e4 needs revamping

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 18:53:50 No.19174799 Report

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>>19173133
>Using items during battles.

That's the most casual thing I've ever heard! Pokemon is already easy as it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 18:56:25 No.19174826 Report

Quoted By: >>19174885

>>19174652
If it only happens in rematches, it would be more interesting I think. That's just me, though.

Also, we probably should keep our hopes to established legendaries, so
>Sidney: Absol
>Phoebe: Banette
>Glacia: Abomasnow
>Drake: Garchomp/Charizard/whatever
>Wallace: Gyarados
>Steven: Aggron

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 18:56:45 No.19174832 Report

Quoted By: >>19174873

>>19173408
Three Dragonites
Every other pokemon he has isn't even a dragon type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 18:57:28 No.19174848 Report

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>>19174683
I think Glacia is the only forgettable one, really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 18:59:06 No.19174866 Report

Quoted By: >>19174918 >>19174973

>>19173408
Doesn't help Ice Types had barely any representation in Hoenn. Same reason Phoebe's running around with Two Dusclops and Two Banette, too.
Shedinja isn't there because Gamefreak are pussies who think someone wont carry an advantage against it.

Maybe the Dex will receive some treatment outside of adding Gen 4 Cross-evolutions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 18:59:38 No.19174873 Report

Quoted By: >>19175042 >>19175068

>>19174832
Yeah, he totally should've had one of those other Dragon-types from gen 1.

I don't get why he doesn't have a Kingdra in GSC, though. At least Dragonite is harder than two Dragonairs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:00:26 No.19174885 Report

Quoted By: >>19174906 >>19174920 >>19174933 >>19174972

>>19174826
What if Steven gets M-Mawile?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:01:47 No.19174906 Report

Quoted By: >>19174957

>>19174885
Honestly, he might get Mawile just to throw in some Fairy Type Representation. It wont be mega, though.
I also think Wallace will get an Azumarill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:02:09 No.19174918 Report

Quoted By:

>>19174866
At least it was better then having a fire type elite four member where the only two options were rapidash and infernape

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:02:16 No.19174920 Report

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>>19174885
He has Aggron to begin with, so I assume he'd have that instead.

Otherwise, he could have Aggron, Mawile, Lucario, or Scizor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:03:03 No.19174933 Report

Quoted By: >>19174984

>>19174885
>He has a team of 6 megas because he's so good with stones

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:05:10 No.19174957 Report

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>>19174906
It's more about keeping things a) aligned with the character's info, and b) staying close to the original so as not to homogenize specialized Pokemon trainers.

Steven's into fossils and shit, and his family runs all that business, hence Claydol, Armaldo, and Cradily. Metagross is his signature pokemon, as well. I don't really see Aggron and Skarmory changing because it's remake-like, but it's possible. Mawile is probably the top optional choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:07:22 No.19174972 Report

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>>19174885

That'd be a fun curveball, but Aggron is definitely one of his signature Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:07:24 No.19174973 Report

Quoted By:

>>19174866
>tropical region
>having many ice types
you sound surprised

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:08:18 No.19174984 Report

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>>19174933

>Facing a team of multiple megas
That actually sounds like an interesting idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:12:05 No.19175042 Report

Quoted By: >>19175103

>>19174873
Well then GF should developed more Dragons in Gen I. R/B/G/Y had tons of poison types but only 1 Dragon-line? Same goes with Agatha and her Ghost types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:13:53 No.19175068 Report

Quoted By: >>19175103

>>19174873
It's like, why even bother making the strongest of the Elite 4 represent a type with one family? Should have been Psychic or something given how OP they were in that gen.

>Alakazam
>Slowbro
>Exeggcutor
>Hypno
>Jynx

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:17:05 No.19175103 Report

Quoted By: >>19175771

>>19175068
>>19175042
They weren't expecting Psychic to be OP, and pokemon wasn't designed to be that competitive at first. Dragons were OP because that was the original gimmick. It's natural that an Elite Four member should have them.

They already had all the other types as Gyms for the most part, except Normal. And nothing says "elite four" like a Normal type user.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:19:38 No.19175142 Report

Quoted By: >>19175233 >>19175248

>>19173108
Am I the only one who thought Cynthia was somewhat of a push-over? I wrekt her Garchomp with my Floatzel

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:25:19 No.19175233 Report

Quoted By: >>19175333

>>19175142
If Twitch a shit beats Cynthia with no trouble, then Cynthia is confirmed for pushover.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:26:20 No.19175248 Report

Quoted By: >>19175333

>>19175142
No trainer in Pokemon is really hard

But you must be crazy if Cynthia isn't a cut above the rest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:32:00 No.19175333 Report

Quoted By: >>19175346 >>19175353 >>19175369 >>19175405

>>19175233
They did a DPPt run?
>>19175248
I've had more trouble with other champions and trainers than her. Sure I'll admit she wasn't the easiest, I remember her Togekiss being mildly annoying, but she isn't the "omg le strongest trainer that garchomp though XD" I've seen in some places

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:32:44 No.19175346 Report

Quoted By: >>19175398

>>19175333
>I've had more trouble with other champions and trainers than her.
Like?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:33:25 No.19175353 Report

Quoted By: >>19175398

>>19175333
>implying that it's over
The Platinum run is still going.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:34:47 No.19175369 Report

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>>19175333
>They did a DPPt run?
In the progress of doing, yeah.
A quick check on their stream shows they've got 5 badges so far in about 8 days

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:36:20 No.19175398 Report

Quoted By: >>19175414 >>19175439 >>19175449

>>19175346
Whitney, Morty, Wallace, the 2 Frontier brains I fought in Emerald, Barry. There are others too. Again I'm not saying Cynthia was super easy, it's just I felt there were bigger challenges
>>19175353
Oh, I didn't watch any of them so I don't really know

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:36:25 No.19175399 Report

Quoted By: >>19175415 >>19175742

Rematch teams:

>Sidney:
Mightyena lvl 71, Cacturne lvl 71, Shiftry lvl 71, Sharpedo lvl 71, Hydreigon lvl 73, Mega Absol lvl 75
>Phoebe:
Dusknoir lvl 72, Mismagius lvl 72, Jellicent-F lvl 72, Sableye lvl 72, Chandelure lvl 74, Mega Banette lvl 76
>Glacia
Glalie lvl 73, Walrein lvl 73, Froslass lvl 73,
Vanilluxe lvl 73, Glaceon lvl 75, Mega Abomasnow lvl 77
>Drake
Altaria lvl 74, Flygon lvl 74, Kingdra lvl 74, Salamence lvl 74, Tyrantrum lvl 76 , Mega Garchomp lvl 78
>Steven
Cradily lvl 77, Armaldo lvl 77, Metagross lvl 77, Excadrill lvl 77, Aegislash lvl 79, Mega Aggron lvl 81

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:36:49 No.19175405 Report

Quoted By: >>19175420 >>19175433

>>19175333
> le strongest
shit
>>leddit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:37:14 No.19175414 Report

Quoted By: >>19175433

>>19175398
>Barry
>Morty

kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:37:16 No.19175415 Report

Quoted By: >>19175436 >>19175474

>>19175399
>Mightyena lvl 71
Bisharp or bust!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:38:00 No.19175420 Report

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>>19175405
>Not understanding the ironic use of 'le'

How's your first day, anon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:38:51 No.19175433 Report

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>>19175405
I was mocking the people who say that genius
>>19175414
Barry gets strong after you re-match him a million times, and Morty has like 5 Gengars that like to spam hypnosis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:39:05 No.19175436 Report

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>>19175415
Sidney already has the most versatile team out of the entire E4. It doesn't need much more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:39:14 No.19175439 Report

Quoted By: >>19175456

>>19175398
>Barry
You had a harder time against Barry than Cynthia?
Have you tried PWT?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:40:02 No.19175449 Report

Quoted By: >>19175493

>>19175398
>Whitney
Epik Miltank meme? I dunno. I creamed her with my Typhlosion.
>Morty
Not even troubling at all
>Emerald Frontier Brains
Those fuckers can just go and eat shit ;_;
>Barry
Didn't even try and I killed him.

Cynthia was hard for me, okay?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:40:16 No.19175456 Report

Quoted By: >>19175495

>>19175439
I would but I just have not bothered making a competitive team. I guess I could just train a Pokemon and then Pokegen their EVs and IVs

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:40:42 No.19175463 Report

Quoted By: >>19178764

I don't like the flat levels, but I do like the ability to choose who you fight first. It just happens to be almost meaningless if they're all the same level anyway. I wish whoever you chose to fight first was the lowest levels and they scaled through the last of the four, so you could try to get your toughest matchup out of the way first, for example

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:41:17 No.19175474 Report

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>>19175415
It defeats the purpose if you deviate from the original team that much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:42:14 No.19175493 Report

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>>19175449
Yeah, the Miltank. It's easy now in retrospect seeing as you can wreck her with like a Geodude or Machop, but as a young dare-devil I usually tried to solo it with a Pidgeotto and a Bayleef. Again, Mortys Gengars are fast compared to my shit. The Frontier Brains are a challenge and I didn't know about actual training back then. And Barry has like 2 Pokemon that are mildly challenging

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:42:18 No.19175495 Report

Quoted By: >>19175525

>>19175456
>I could just train a Pokemon
>and then
>Pokegen their EVs and IVs
For what purpose, dummy? Have you used pokegen before?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:44:50 No.19175525 Report

Quoted By: >>19175549

>>19175495
I don't want to cheat too much. I could easily catch a Gible and then evolve them to a Garchomp and edit their stats, but just making a Smogon approved competitive team out of nothing just doesn't feel right

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:46:36 No.19175549 Report

Quoted By: >>19175569

>>19175525
Its just the PWT, you don't have to use them online.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:46:38 No.19175550 Report

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>>19173151
Garchomp didnt give me much of a problem, it was her shitty Spiritomb that caused me problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:48:02 No.19175569 Report

Quoted By: >>19175603

>>19175549
I guess.

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Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 19:50:33 No.19175603 Report

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>>19175569
You seem very pure.
Don't do it if you don't want to, m8.

Joey

Joey Sun 11 May 2014 20:00:07 No.19175735 Report

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>>19173021
i think its the same thing as why random trainers in the game arent gym leaders just because their pokemons levels are higher, its by the trainers abilities, not the pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 20:00:19 No.19175742 Report

Quoted By: >>19175811

>>19175399
>No Crawdaunt

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 20:01:53 No.19175771 Report

Quoted By: >>19175851

>>19175103
That's not an excuse. A lot gym leaders teams pre-gen 3 suffered because of this. If they want a high-ranking trainer like a Gym Leader or an E4 member fully represent the type they were assigned too, then they should design more pokemon of a certain type in a gen or have more pokemon of previous gens in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 20:04:31 No.19175806 Report

Quoted By: >>19175824

I hope all of you're prepared for Drake and his Mega Salamence

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 20:05:18 No.19175811 Report

Quoted By:

>>19175742
He didn't have it in RS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 20:05:49 No.19175818 Report

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>>19173133

Oh, but beating the E4 in the newer gens who only had four pokemon each and were complete pushovers IS skillful?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 20:06:24 No.19175824 Report

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>>19175806
You mean Mega-Altaria?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 20:08:53 No.19175851 Report

Quoted By: >>19176207

>>19175771
If you think about it, though, having few Dragons and Ghosts make it easier to give an E4/Gym leader a diverse team, which makes them harder. Dragonites and Gengars are fucking tough in their own right, anyway. It's less about representation and more about tough trainers. Plus, as I said before, when Dragons weren't so dispersed, the type really fluorished. Dragonite was unique, and not a lot of people playing the game at first knew what to do. That's the point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 20:10:17 No.19175867 Report

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>>19172983
Can we compromise? What if you could choose the elite four in any order, but their levels increased as you progressed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 20:36:57 No.19176207 Report

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>>19175851
>having few Dragons and Ghosts make it easier to give an E4/Gym leader a diverse team

No it doesn't. Just look at how poor Flint's team was in D/P and that was by Gen 4.

>Dragonites and Gengars are fucking tough in their own right, anyway
That goes for a lot of Pokemon. Yet despite that other Gym Leaders managed put other lines of their assigned types in their teams.

>It's less about representation and more about tough trainers.

It's about both. Why can't we simply have both?

>Plus, as I said before, when Dragons weren't so dispersed, the type really fluorished

Nah man. Dragon types only flourished because of their stats, not their types. Dragonite was the first pseudo-legendary which back in the days guaranteed you a lot of viability. If he wasn't, then he would have his shit slapped by the rocks and ice attacks. I will give you Kingdra though, but that's not nearly enough for you to make a point.

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Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 21:49:27 No.19177236 Report

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>>19173408
>Phoebe's pretty shit too.

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Anonymous Sun 11 May 2014 23:20:13 No.19178764 Report

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>>19175463

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