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>>19192867
You cannot argue that usage stats are biased. They're objective quantitative data.
HO is the most widely used (because it's almost certainly the best) strategy in the OU metagame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 May 2014 23:46:55 No.19192898 Report

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>>19192790
HO is the only viable thing in the meta and outright outclasses balance and stall. This is fact. What's your point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 May 2014 23:47:57 No.19192911 Report

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>>19192867
He also happens to be right. Stall is dying and in a month will surely be deader than dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 May 2014 23:48:47 No.19192919 Report

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>>19192790
>Some guy from Smogon says that HO is the most effective playstyle
>you somehow infer a bias

A statement of objective fact is not a bias, you blithering retard.

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Anonymous Mon 12 May 2014 23:49:29 No.19192927 Report

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RIP my favourite playstyle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 May 2014 23:50:03 No.19192944 Report

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>>19192790
Question: who gives a fuck and why should anyone?

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Anonymous Mon 12 May 2014 23:51:27 No.19192962 Report

Quoted By: >>19192981 >>19192988

Google and Bing are only showing up results for Ho-Oh when I search for what this "HO" is.

Is "HO" one of those abbreviations that only people who visit Smogon are expected to know, despite nobody ever saying what the abbreviation of "HO" is on the Smogon website?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 May 2014 23:51:59 No.19192975 Report

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And? HO is fucking everywhere on the ladder because it's by far the most effective playstyle in the meta. Is this thread supposed to be some big 'gotcha' towards smogon? Because it fails spectacularly in that regard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 May 2014 23:52:10 No.19192981 Report

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>>19192962
High Offense

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 May 2014 23:52:36 No.19192988 Report

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>>19192962
hyper offense, AKA the official smogon supported strategy

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Anonymous Mon 12 May 2014 23:52:55 No.19192992 Report

Quoted By: >>19193005 >>19193122

>Stall is dead

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Anonymous Mon 12 May 2014 23:52:54 No.19192993 Report

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>>19192981
Usually "Hyper-Offense", in the articles I've seen.

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Anonymous Mon 12 May 2014 23:53:20 No.19193005 Report

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>>19192992
Yes it is. And?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 May 2014 23:54:41 No.19193024 Report

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Good. I'm no fan of HO, but I absolutely dread stall. It's not fun to play against.

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Anonymous Mon 12 May 2014 23:54:53 No.19193029 Report

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I remember in the good ol days of yore, when stall Ludicobro would wreak havoc in rain

Now he is dead

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Anonymous Mon 12 May 2014 23:58:25 No.19193078 Report

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>>19193029
this set works relatively well for me
raindance/leechseed/gigadrain/scald, evs in sp.def and HP

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:01:08 No.19193122 Report

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>>19192992
>Stall is dead
This is true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:03:09 No.19193158 Report

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>>19193078
Is Politoed any good in this meta? I used to run Toxic and Protect on Ludicolo last gen since teammates had Drizzle/RD
His purpose was to suck the life out of everything in every way he could
Obviously this was doubles, he did pretty damn well
But with Aegislash and Lucario running around I probably shouldn't go back to that

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:04:23 No.19193178 Report

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>>19193158
IF you're running Rain, it should be HO. Time limit means you can't stall with Rain Dish.

Actually fuck that, if you're playing in this meta, you should be playing HO. Any other playstyle is setting yourself up for failure.

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:05:50 No.19193199 Report

Quoted By: >>19193226 >>19195752

>yfw the Genesect ban was the single greatest fuckup this gen
It checked so many things and now that it's gone, the meta is nothing but HO. It's literally Gen 5 shit.

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:07:21 No.19193226 Report

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>>19193199
I almost miss Genesect sometimes. Then I watch some old videos on youtube of nothing but ROTOSECT ROTOSECT ROTOSECT and realize that I don't.

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:10:21 No.19193283 Report

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Exploud is an A tier threat in OU.

Prove me wrong.

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:10:47 No.19193297 Report

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>>19193283
>Exploud is an A tier threat in RU

fixed

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:12:53 No.19193331 Report

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>mfw verlisify was right
Say what you want, but you have to admit, Smogon is fucking retarded with banning shit and calling it "official". And now they're declaring that overcentralization isn't a bad thing. They're fine with a shit metagame because hey, fun is a buzzword. If you don't believe me, check out this thread.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/xy-ou-suspect-process-round-2-voting.3503601/page-4#post-5359700
In which Haunter took scrubs getting beat by a completely counterable strategy as pretext for helping out HO, his favorite playstyle. But Smogonbeetle, Smogonsword, Smogonbird and Muhhazards-D don't get banned because using cheap shit gets them free wins and preserves their ladder rank.

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:15:09 No.19193374 Report

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>>19193005
>>19193122
Im smiling like le happy merchant

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:15:13 No.19193377 Report

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>>19193029

> missing Ludicobro
>bro
>Miror B gif

I love you

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:15:56 No.19193396 Report

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>>19193374
I love le tricky jew maymay too :^)))))

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:21:05 No.19193467 Report

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>>19193396
>>>/reddit/

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:21:28 No.19193478 Report

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>>19193283
Mah nigger.

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:44:20 No.19193813 Report

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>>19193331
On one hand, I want to play without smogon rules because of retarded shit like that.

On the other hand, playing without them makes every match completely luck-based between double teams and sleep.

And trying to get people to follow a less strict but still not brain-dead luck shenanigans rule set would be met with cries of "stop crying and git gud"

Wat do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:52:19 No.19193939 Report

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>>19193331
Yep, Haunter totally single handedly helped out HO. Wait no, 66 people who battled enough to qualify voted to help out HO by banning a luck-based move that really shouldn't exist in the first place. Right, there's the one

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:54:49 No.19193985 Report

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>>19193813
That pic describes smogon perfectly. There's some legitimately broken shit that has no place in OU like the incarnate genies and they're fucking suspecting baton pass, a team that only three people up in the ladder uses.

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 01:35:20 No.19194588 Report

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Do you guys think Mega Latias will have any impact on stall?

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 01:36:42 No.19194617 Report

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>>19194588
>in Smogonsword and Deosharp: The Meta

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 02:21:16 No.19195221 Report

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>there's an attack that forces your enemy to use damaging moves
stall and support have always been shit, prankster taunt is the nail in the coffin

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 02:43:01 No.19195618 Report

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This has been evident since gen 3. 130 base speed pokemon were a staple in almost every team. Their inability to deal with mega-khan is also points to this. 3 staples for XY for me to deal with strong megas like Gengar, Khan and Scizor have been Vaporeon and mega gengar. Carrying a snorlax also helps with seismic toss Khan and kills that faggot gengar. Playing 3DS pokemon also forces me to adopt aerial ace Ttar to deal with DT, Minimize and the Baton Pass Minimize Driftloon.

Smogon isnt what it was back in RSE. I blame the death of Netbattle and the new people joining joining the community only to get their namw on a smogon strategy. Curbstomping a Skarmbliss or Ttar seperated winners from scrubs. All the broken strats check each other because you cant run them all.

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 02:47:41 No.19195715 Report

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>people who think passive damage is meant to stall enemies to death and kill them slowly
>not just to get in a tiny amount of chip damage that turns 2HKOs into OHKOs
Seriously, rocks and 1 layer of spikes allows you to steamroll everything. God forbid you do something douchey like run rocky helmet chomp or ferro as your hazard setter too.

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 02:49:42 No.19195752 Report

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>>19193199
>Genesect gone
>Deoxys Speed will surely be gone
damn it all.

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