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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:10:39 No.19193291 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>19193382 >>19193408 >>19195856 >>19196670

If we unbanned him the meta would be instantly fixed. It checked so much shit it's ridiculous. PO already kept it unbanned and its meta is infinitely better than the mindless HO-fest that's Showdown.

Seeing as how this meta is absolutely h o r r e n d o u s, he really is the hero OU needs, but not the one it deserves. Prove me wrong, faggots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:15:11 No.19193375 Report

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If we want to resurrect stall, if anything Giratina or Lugia should be unbanned. With OU being Knock Off: the Meta as it is, he won't even be that broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:15:29 No.19193382 Report

Quoted By: >>19193413 >>19193546

>>19193291
>HAHA ROTOSECT ROTOSECT ROTOSECT ROTOSECT

I don't enjoy OU much at the moment, but you're romanticizing the time of Genesect like a motherfucker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:17:10 No.19193408 Report

Quoted By: >>19193458

>>19193291
Let's not give anyone incentives to use Smogonbird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:17:24 No.19193413 Report

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>>19193382
He's an asshole with scarf U-Turn, but that was a necessary evil.

Why do you think Deosharp is King of OU? Because no Genesect.
Why do you think Lando and Thundy are so horrendously OP? No Genesect. You see where I'm going?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:20:30 No.19193458 Report

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>>19193408
Smogonbird gets turned into Kalos Fried Poultry with T-Bold and/or Extremespeed, how does it increase smogonbird usage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:25:30 No.19193546 Report

Quoted By: >>19193598

>>19193382
>Rotom-W
>even close to being good atm
lel

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:29:26 No.19193598 Report

Quoted By: >>19193677

>>19193546
>atm
>implying the synergy with genesect wasn't what pushed it to #1

or no, wait, let me guess, you were just le pretending to be retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:35:10 No.19193677 Report

Quoted By: >>19193812 >>19194848

>>19193598
Except it wasn't you tremendous mong. It was the fact that it checked absolutely everything so you could easily fit into any team that made it #1. It was the one thing keeping things in balance and now that it's gone, the metas fucked beyond repair. Try going to 1800 with anything other than Deosharp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:42:32 No.19193787 Report

Quoted By: >>19193831

How about every team is forced to have Genesect on it? That would literally instantly fix the meta not even joking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:44:13 No.19193812 Report

Quoted By: >>19193840 >>19193850

>>19193677
When did Bisharp git gud.
I remember him being UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:45:17 No.19193831 Report

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>>19193787
it's funny because every single team is deosharp anyway so it wouldn't be much more damage anyway. genesect shits on deosharp and every form of HO too, the meta actually does badly need it

buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy

buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Tue 13 May 2014 00:46:10 No.19193840 Report

Quoted By: >>19198271

>>19193812
first it was RU
um dark became better and knock off + defiant
then it was UU
then people found out and did the cool rocks + bisharp thing
then it became OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 00:46:32 No.19193850 Report

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>>19193812
knock off being buffed
steel losing dark resistance
defog triggering free +2 Atk
being the face of the playstyle that literally outclasses everything else

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 01:58:31 No.19194848 Report

Quoted By: >>19194864

>>19193677
Aren't the top teams on the showdown OU ladder stall teams?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 01:59:58 No.19194864 Report

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>>19194848
No, they're Baton Pass teams :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 02:34:47 No.19195479 Report

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>ban stealth rocks
>defog becomes worthless again
>Bisharp sinks into irrelevancy
>DeoxysD becomes a straight tank
>rock types become viable because Talonflame usage rockets back to the top
you guys will always hate what's popular though
the fact that every good pokemon has a retarded nickname like SmogBird and SmogSword from you guys proves that

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 02:39:35 No.19195551 Report

Quoted By: >>19195839

If you unban Genesect, I'll just switch from Deosharp to rain offense.

Nice 489 speed, fag :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 02:45:31 No.19195663 Report

Quoted By: >>19195758 >>19195813

Genesect shat on stall teams, too. It shat on everything.

How about we just ban Deo-D.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 02:49:57 No.19195757 Report

Quoted By: >>19196614

ITT arguing over the dumbest shit in pokemon

can you guys just play the game you want to play it? discuss battle terms per fight? oh wait, thats right, you rely on other people's opinion to govern your own opinions and actions. why dont we hold blame with GF and nintendo for not adequately balancing pokemon through out the generations? jesus, its because of people like you guys pokemon is becoming lamer each generation. grow up

>mfw i can use any pokemon, win or lose, and remain to be happy

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 02:50:01 No.19195758 Report

Quoted By: >>19195849

>>19195663

whydontwehaveboth.webm

*Applause*

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 02:53:44 No.19195806 Report

Quoted By: >>19195849

>mfw they ban Bisharp
>mfw they can't even understand what went wrong or how he got gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 02:53:55 No.19195813 Report

Quoted By: >>19195824 >>19195849

>>19195663
We all know this will never happen. Smogonfags love HO too much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 02:55:12 No.19195824 Report

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>>19195813
I thought Smogoons loved stall?

Oh god I remember when fifth gen was on its way out, everyone was all "muh quickstall, muh subseeds"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 02:56:49 No.19195839 Report

Quoted By: >>19195872

>>19195551
le banded +1 Atk extremespeed face (^:

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 02:57:26 No.19195849 Report

Quoted By: >>19195943

>>19195758
>ban the mon that makes HO twice as hard to deal with
>bring back Genesect to check the nerfed HO when it just shits on everything it touches anyway
That's why.

>>19195806
Bisharp isn't much without Deo-D. It, as itself, it not overwhelming powerful or difficult to stop, but it's the defog thing which is why people really use it.

>>19195813
Deo-D was banned last gen for the exact same reason people want it banned this gen. And every mon banned thus far could single-handedly solo a stall team, with the exception of genesect.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 02:58:03 No.19195856 Report

Quoted By: >>19195897 >>19195910 >>19195914 >>19195915 >>19196719

>>19193291
Remember, Game Freak is not balancing for Smogon Singles. There's nothing you could add or remove to "fix the metagame". But here's an idea: we unban everything from Uber to either keep them down in OU or shove them back up, like the deer or the whale. I want to see Mega Gengar sit down with Stinkki's Baton Pass team and have a chat, and Lucario and Kanga to shit up the meta again. Maybe Lugia to go with the Stall metagame and the see how the rest of Deoxys fair in Knock Off: The Meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 02:59:39 No.19195872 Report

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>>19195839
Kingdra's EVs can be tailored to give you a SpA boost instead of an Att boost. Kabutops resists E-Speed.

I played rain offense when Genesect was still around. It was pretty hilarious just absolutely curbstomping all the teams that relied on Gene to not get swept.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 03:01:39 No.19195897 Report

Quoted By: >>19196263

>>19195856
>gen 1
>exeggutor at 80%
the fuck? What's special about him?

ALL CAPS

ALL CAPS Tue 13 May 2014 03:02:14 No.19195910 Report

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>>19195856
BRILLIANT IDEA ANON LET'S PLAY IN A META FULL OF PSEUDOS OP MEGAS AND BOX LEGENDS IT'LL BE SO FUN AND TOTALLY NOT BROKE AS SHIT

WHY FIX THE META WHEN WE CAN JUST THROW OUR HANDS IN THE AIR AND SAY FUCK IT, THE GAME'S BALANCE IS SHIT ANYWAY SO WE MIGHT AS WELL COMPLETELY DESTROY IT AND CALL IT A DAY

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 03:02:23 No.19195914 Report

Quoted By: >>19195932

>>19195856
>I want to fill OU with broken things for no reason
Why. Seriously.

Also Baton Pass ignores Shadow Tag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 03:02:36 No.19195915 Report

Quoted By:

>>19195856
>Game Freak is not balancing for Smogon Singles
>Game Freak
>balancing for anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 03:03:39 No.19195932 Report

Quoted By: >>19196012

>>19195914
It passes Perish Song though, which makes BP worthless against M-Gengar

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 03:05:04 No.19195943 Report

Quoted By: >>19196012

>>19195849
Difference being that in Gen 5, Victory Road didn't exist. Which is exactly when Smogon started plummeting downhill.

It wasn't just the meta that died. Something else inside Smogon was lost and never returned.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 03:10:57 No.19196012 Report

Quoted By: >>19196066

>>19195932
BP teams have Mr. Mime, and other shit gets Perish Song, too.

At any rate, Mega Gengar is beyond broken.

>>19195943
VR was made because XY flooded the usual OU forums with absolute scrubs. At any rate, VR is mostly dead and a circlejerk has always existed on the IRCs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 03:15:16 No.19196066 Report

Quoted By: >>19196400

>>19196012
VR is a symptom of a bigger problem in Smogon, and it's that it's becoming more and more circlejerky and exclusionist. In Gen 4 and 5, at least the elite players opinions were tempered by other players, and the higher-ups had to take it into account. Now they feel the need to disregard anything other than their circlejerk, which can only lead to shaping tiers exclusively for themselves and basically becoming the scrubs. Gazing back into the abyss.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 03:28:11 No.19196263 Report

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>>19195897
Being a psychic type that can beat water types sleep powder and explode. It had a unique and very exploitable niche, and with lack of common poison, ghost, flying a bug moves it only had to watch out for blizzard and once in a while a fire move.

Or generally just being a psychic type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 03:33:23 No.19196340 Report

Quoted By: >>19196376 >>19196437

Mega Lucario may have been broken as shit, but Mega Lucario prevented SkarmBliss/SkarmChansey, and checked other "babby's first core teams. After the Mega Kangaskhan ban and before the Mega Lucario and Genesect ban was the most fun (le buzzword faec :^))I had. OU isn't HO anymore like it was. Now it's just a weird, annoying clusterfuck with little direction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 03:36:09 No.19196376 Report

Quoted By: >>19196476

>>19196340
>OU isn't HO anymore like it was
ahahahahaha yes it is
babby's first core teams still exist, it's called deosharp and how convenient, it's the one used by "top" players

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 03:38:34 No.19196400 Report

Quoted By: >>19196419

>>19196066
Suspect testing is still open to the public, given that your ranking is good enough. Given the influx of shitty players thanks to Showdown it makes sense why they'd want someplace that doesn't have people clamoring for Arcanine to be OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 03:40:49 No.19196419 Report

Quoted By: >>19196460

>>19196400
this would've been fine if the elite circlejerk faggots didn't waste time on trivial shit like swagger and suspected actually broken shit, but nope

clearly they like things the way they are with HO outclassing every other playstyle because they enjoy winning with it. then they have the gall to say "stall is strong", "thundurus is healthy" and other such blatantly false shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 03:42:17 No.19196437 Report

Quoted By: >>19196460

>>19196340
Mega Lucario prevented every defensive core. All of them.

SkarmBliss is hilariously outdated, so many things beat it now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 03:43:59 No.19196460 Report

Quoted By: >>19196499

>>19196437
>>19196419
we should make our own PS server, with black jack, and hookers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 03:44:44 No.19196476 Report

Quoted By: >>19196520

>>19196376
I said HO is not now like HO used to be lol
And because of the Mega Lucario and Gensect ban, babby's first core is more rampant because those two pokemon alone stopped those cores hard. Also, this isn't March anymore. Deo-Sharp isn't life. The new things are Aegi-Sharp and Thundurus-Landorus, and Keldeos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 03:46:38 No.19196499 Report

Quoted By:

>>19196460
we did once
it sucked arse

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 03:47:45 No.19196520 Report

Quoted By:

>>19196476
but all of them are HO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 03:56:55 No.19196614 Report

Quoted By:

>>19195757
no one cares. stay a pleb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 03:58:51 No.19196638 Report

Quoted By: >>19196651

If you people would stop playing OU and just move to UU, where stall is actually good because all the ridiculously strong stuff is OU/BL, you wouldn't be complaining as much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 04:00:06 No.19196651 Report

Quoted By: >>19196654

>>19196638
Is rotom-H UU? I've really grown to love him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 04:00:41 No.19196654 Report

Quoted By: >>19196661

>>19196651
Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 04:01:40 No.19196661 Report

Quoted By: >>19196723 >>19196775 >>19196782

>>19196654
Noice. is the UU meta centered around anything in particular? I remember it being pretty hazard heavy last gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 04:02:33 No.19196670 Report

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>>19193291
reminder that whoever wants this unbanned sucks at this game and relies on this overpowered momentum machine to win games.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 04:08:34 No.19196719 Report

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>>19195856
>Unban everything from Ubers

You'd just end up with Ubers again you fucking kike-loving autistic niggerfaggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 04:08:49 No.19196723 Report

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>>19196661
There's Forretress and spikes Roserade but beyond that, not much. Also no good Defiant pokemon so defoggers are pretty easy to find.

http://sim.smogon.com:8080/Stats/2014-04/uu-1760.0.txt

There's nothing that the meta is particularly centered around, but there are some top threats of course. It's not overtly difficult to build a stall team that can handle them, as opposed to OU. I don't even blame smogon, Gamefreak just made way too much OP shit and for stall to be on the same level as HO, pretty much a dozen things would need to get banned, the sole reason being "it breaks stall." UU doesn't has this because OU has sucked up all the really broken stuff, and yes stuff gets banned more often. `

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 04:13:36 No.19196775 Report

Quoted By: >>19196814

>>19196661
Stall is actually viable in that tier.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 04:14:18 No.19196782 Report

Quoted By: >>19196814

>>19196661
Also pic related is the current banlist, in descending order of how broken they think it is. Pretty much nothing here has a chance of getting unbanned, with the exception of possibly Drought and Haxorus. But that's just my opinion. Crawdaunt is getting tested right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 04:19:16 No.19196814 Report

Quoted By: >>19196829

>>19196782
>>19196775
>Salamence is UU
jesus 6th gen power creep harder why don't you.

Is there anything that can apply offensive pressure while also throwing out some nasty residual damage in UU? Something similar to rocky helmet + dragon tail chomp?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 04:21:42 No.19196829 Report

Quoted By: >>19196848

>>19196814
Leech Seed Celebi maybe. Pretty much anything with Volt-Switch/U-Turn. The only other bulky thing with Rough Skin is Druddigon but I've never seen it in UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 04:23:55 No.19196848 Report

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>>19196829
Sounds lovely. My old OU team (back when volt turn was very popular) revolved around using hazards, sand, and the aforementioned rockychomp to rack up crazy residual damage before mowing everything down with choice band Azumarill

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 04:51:22 No.19197060 Report

Quoted By: >>19197180 >>19197222

>mfw verlisify was right
Say what you want, but you have to admit, Smogon is fucking retarded with banning shit and calling it "official". And now they're declaring that overcentralization isn't a bad thing. They're fine with a shit metagame because hey, fun is a buzzword. If you don't believe me, check out this thread.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-xy-uu-stage-1-reload-magnezone-bl-next-crawdaunt.3502404/page-25
In which kokoloko took scrubs getting beat by a completely counterable strategy as pretext for helping out stall, his favorite playstyle. But Smogonfetus, Smogonbug, Smogonchink and Muhsandstormdon don't get banned because using cheap shit gets them free wins and preserves their ladder rank.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 05:04:14 No.19197180 Report

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>>19197060
This doesn't even make sense because, assuming fetus, bug and chink are Mew, Heracross and Mienshao, banning those three would just improve stall, but you're implying here that kokoloko likes stall and wants to make it OP.

UU is actually quite balanced, and yes it did take a dozen bans to make it that way. OU would also take a good number of bans to actually have a semblance of balance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 05:09:36 No.19197222 Report

Quoted By:

>>19197060
oh hey look at that, you actually updated your copypasta. now you're making some progress into actual shitposting

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 May 2014 07:13:09 No.19198271 Report

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>>19193840
bisharp was never ru, it was uu, then bl, then ou. it's been very good in ou from the start of gen 6, obviously

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