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Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:11:18 No.19218992 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>19219109

Why this thing isn't OU?
It's based as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:15:28 No.19219032 Report

Quoted By: >>19219162

It's speed is just too slow :(

When you do get a chance to switch it in, god is it glorious. So many nippon ragequits on gts

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:15:36 No.19219033 Report

Quoted By: >>19219148

4x Rock weakness and no coverage without sacrificing STAB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:17:30 No.19219066 Report

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It's really easily countered.

Most Prankster users eat that thing for breakfast and it doesn't like sneaky pebbles either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:19:03 No.19219082 Report

Quoted By: >>19219097 >>19219137 >>19219191

I'm using this set:
- Bug Buzz
- Hurricane
- Quiver Dance
- Sleep Powder
Should I use HP fighting instead of bug buzz? I hadn't thought about it before, but now I think it would be just great for coverage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:19:39 No.19219090 Report

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Because it doesn't have the usage to be OU.

Also it sucks. Bad typing, bad stats, very weak to priority, extremely predictable, weak, and VERY frail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:20:38 No.19219097 Report

Quoted By: >>19219148

>>19219082
no

that's basically its only usable set

at least it's still the best early game bug, suck it beedrillfags

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:21:38 No.19219109 Report

Quoted By: >>19219148

>>19218992
Talonflame eats it for breakfast

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:23:01 No.19219137 Report

Quoted By: >>19219426

>>19219082
I use

Prettiest bird (Vivillon) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Compound Eyes
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hurricane
- Sleep Powder
- Substitute
- Quiver Dance

1) sleep em
2) sub up
3) boost up
4) repeat until sleep/subbed/about 3 boosts
5) kill them all

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:24:02 No.19219148 Report

Quoted By: >>19219181 >>19219192

>>19219097
B-but metal and rocks types.

>>19219033
>>19219109
>what is sash
Also, it's so good to see how the bravest bird kills itself while I quiver dance once more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:25:26 No.19219162 Report

Quoted By: >>19219190 >>19219251 >>19219296

>>19219032
>not leading with it while idiots set up their sneaky pebbles/ouchie spikes/poison stones

Seriously, someone let me get to max stats while he was setting up.
Needless to say, I hope he learned his lesson

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:26:35 No.19219181 Report

Quoted By: >>19219275

>>19219148

>what is sash

something that's immediately broken upon switch-in

>bravest bird kills itself

>what is gale wings

0/10, apply yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:27:01 No.19219190 Report

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>>19219162
nippon opponents always use talonflame/greninja/garchomp/mkanga on me so I've never had it work as a lead

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:27:01 No.19219191 Report

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>>19219082

How often does bug buzz come in handy?

I usually run energy ball instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:27:04 No.19219192 Report

Quoted By: >>19219275

>>19219148
>sash
>see the bravest bird kill itself while I dance more

From what you just described:
Talonflame used brave bird
Vivilion hung on with its focus sash
Vivilion used quiver dance
Talonflame used brave vird
Vivilion fainted

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:29:20 No.19219218 Report

Quoted By: >>19219240

>"The opposing Talonflame used Brave Bird!"
It is a good Pokemon when used right, at least considering it's supposed to be an early-game shitmon, but it just had the misfortune to be introduced in the gen of Priority: The Metagame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:31:14 No.19219240 Report

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>>19219218

This.

Sash is really the only way Viv gets anything done in OU, but with all the priority crud that flies around, its hard to really do some damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:32:13 No.19219251 Report

Quoted By: >>19219272 >>19219333 >>19219372

>>19219162
>use it as a lead

Yeah, great idea.
>Sableye uses taunt!
>Vivillon can't use Sleep Poweder after the taunt.
>Salbeye uses WoW!
>Vivillon used Hurricane.
>does fuck all
>Sableye uses Recover, Knock-Off, Recover, Knock-Off rinse and repeat until dead buge

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:34:15 No.19219272 Report

Quoted By: >>19219303 >>19219495

>>19219251
>switched vivilion out for charizard
>sableye can't do shit to charizard

Why would anyone leave vivi in one a sable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:34:29 No.19219275 Report

Quoted By: >>19219306 >>19219336

>>19219181
See >>19219192, except I was assuming a low HP Talonflame.
>Talonflame used brave bird
>Vivilion hung on with its focus sash
>Talonflame fainted because of the recoil
>Vivillon used quiver dance
>rape time
It has happened a few times, and it's glorious.

Also, I don't know why are you talking so much about the bird, Vivillon is supposed to be used when there's only one or none priority user, it survives one priority move with sash, then continues the rape.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:35:30 No.19219296 Report

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>>19219162
>ouchie spikes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:36:05 No.19219303 Report

Quoted By: >>19219327

>>19219272
Because he explicitely said to use it as a lead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:36:07 No.19219306 Report

Quoted By: >>19219372

>>19219275
Unless you're counting pebbles into that vivilion doesn't have enough hp to KO talonflame via recoil.
You're...not running max hp instead of max sp.atk on vivi are you anon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:37:28 No.19219327 Report

Quoted By: >>19219369

>>19219303
So you'd leave a lead ferrothorn on a lead charizard too?
You gotta roll with the punches
You're thinking of a suicide lead, whose only reason for living is being a lead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:37:44 No.19219333 Report

Quoted By: >>19219369

>>19219251
are you implying that burn weakens special attacks

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:37:53 No.19219336 Report

Quoted By: >>19219372

>>19219275
And now you have a Vivillon with 1 HP that you can't switch out anymore because you'll be dead from SR damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:40:12 No.19219366 Report

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It's not Talonflame. I mean Talonflame doesn't help, but that's not why it's not OU (I think it's NU or some shit now.) Talonflame threatens quite a lot of things, that's why it's OU itself.

It's really because it's really, REALLY frail, and doesn't really have anything to make up for it, like Breloom or other stuff does. Like pretty much every common priority move in OU takes out a minimum of 60% of its health. It's also not all that powerful, even after a single Quiver Dance, and quite a lot of things can take a hit and OHKO in return, even if they don't resist Flying/Bug attacks. Pretty much every single common scarfer also takes it out.

tl;dr it's weak and frail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:40:22 No.19219369 Report

Quoted By: >>19219643

>>19219333
No, just that Vivillon won't do shit with those stats in general.

>>19219327
Alright but now you'll take heavy SR damage every time you switch in and the Sash would be useless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:40:54 No.19219372 Report

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>>19219251
Exactly. When used as a lead, people talking about priority users are right. But when used in the right moment, it rekts shit.

>>19219306
I said a low HP Talonflame. I don't know, imagine I could do some sgnificant damage to it, let my mon dies, and then kill it with the bug.

Whatever, it's an especific situation, in general, it's like I said before, you have to use it in the right moment, as a late sweeper.

>>19219336
Right moment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:44:55 No.19219426 Report

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>>19219137

This is why I keep a Sweet Veil Slurpuff. Everyone expects the unburdened bully drum, nobody expects a sashed special attacker.
Love switching it on the obvious sleep users, or even better..
watching them constantly try to sleep my Slurpuff.

Idiots and their cheese sleep strats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 21:51:38 No.19219495 Report

Quoted By: >>19219643 >>19219741

>>19219272
>Charizard and Vivillion on same team
>two 4x weak to pebbles
Good job making a team dude

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 22:05:54 No.19219643 Report

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>>19219369
If they lead with sableye it means they don't have first turn rocks, which means you still have chances to switch in before they set up pebbles.

>>19219495
>rocks aren't up first turn
>switching around vivi/charizard while rocks aren't up
If you honestly let a person set up rocks with a team like this its your problem
Also what is defog/spinner support
What is magic bounce/magic coat
Maybe with 2 4x weak mons is to simply coax my opponent to throw out 'desperation' rocks, which I simply bounce back at them

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 May 2014 22:13:57 No.19219741 Report

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>>19219495
If you are not stupid, you would used defog/spin before switching vivi/charizard in.

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